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We the Sheeple of the U.S. of A.

… need to start forming our own opinions and making decisions based on our own beliefs and values. This Donald Trump nonsense has gone way too far and a majority of people don’t have a clue how it started. To be totally honest, I read what he said shortly after it happened and I kind of laughed to myself because I understood the point he was making and the cause, but was it politically incorrect? Yes.

Donald Trump was speaking of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, which is primarily over the border of Mexico in this country. Fact. That's not debatable. Illegal immigration is a CRIME. If your commit a crime, you are a CRIMINAL. Therefore, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are CRIMINALS upon arrival. Period. Our current administration somehow doesn't see it that way. Deportation has decreased 58% since 2009...

The media frenzy this has caused has distracted all the sheep from the real point here, because Donald Trump dissed "Mexicans," and now there are millions of Mexican-Americans in an uproar when they should also be defending the homeland they were born in... not the millions of Mexican natives entering the U.S. illegally.

In 2014, the CBP documented a staff of nearly 21,000 U.S. Border Patrol Agents and 18,156 of them are in the Southwest Sector. Fact. Donald Trump isn't making this up, and the United States has ZERO help controlling it from Mexico. What would happen to and American Illegal Immigrant in Mexico?

The fact that over 87% of ALL Border Patrol Agents are on the Southwest border doesn't exactly scream a lack a criminal activity. The truth hurts sometimes, and sheep can't handle the truth.

Posted by MichaelMears at July 10, 2015 9:59 PM
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Comment #396497
Illegal immigration is a CRIME. If your commit a crime, you are a CRIMINAL

I was caught speeding back in 2007. Just today, I jaywalked across a busy street on my way home form work. Both of these are misdemeanor offenses, just like illegal immigration. Am I not just as much a criminal?

the United States has ZERO help controlling it from Mexico
Does the US help Canada control its border? Mexico has much bigger problems to deal with than the emigration of a few million of its citizens.
Donald Trump isn’t making this up
I don’t think Trump is being criticized for making any claims regarding the number of CBP agents on the border. He was criticized because he declared that illegal immigrants from Mexico: 1. Are sent to the US by the Mexican government 2. Mostly composed of drug dealers, murderers and rapists. 3. Only some of whom are “good people”.

In addition to be hugely offensive, those three statements are all false. These immigrants come here voluntarily, they are not forced here by the Mexican government. Only a small portion commit felonious crimes such as murder, rape or trafficking. The vast majority of these immigrants, are otherwise good, hard-working people simply seeking a better life for themselves and their families.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 10, 2015 10:21 PM
Comment #396499

Warren, The answer to your question is yes you are a criminal. I take it you paid your debt to society for you speeding charge, but you are like most all illegal immigrants still on the run for your jaywalking incident. So yes you are a criminal. The criminal few are the ones that IMO are ruining it for the majority who productive people. But even then is it fair to let 12 million people who came here illegally stay and go to the head of the line while there are people waiting to get in the country legally? I know it will be impossible to deport 12 million people, but some form of punishment needs to be levied if they are permitted to stay.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 10, 2015 11:48 PM
Comment #396501
But even then is it fair to let 12 million people who came here illegally stay and go to the head of the line while there are people waiting to get in the country legally

Neither President Obama nor any of the bipartisan bills considered in Congress over the past decade have ever proposed putting anyone at the head of any line.

The truth is that different lines exist for different kinds of people. Highly-educated skilled immigrants have one line. Families of Americans with legal status have another line. However unlike a century ago, there is no line today for unskilled people without American relatives. It is simply impossible under the current system for most of these 12 million to come here legally. The hope is that comprehensive immigration reform will establish a functioning guest worker program so that these people finally have a line to stand in.

some form of punishment needs to be levied if they are permitted to stay.
This is precisely why every proposal by President Obama and every bipartisan bill considered in Congress in the past decade has proposed levying fines and other penalties onto these immigrants. Posted by: Warren Porter at July 11, 2015 7:26 AM
Comment #396502

Yes Warren we have had all kinds of bills on immigration in congress but the one thing that is needed first, Secure The Border, we can’t just look the other way while people keep coming across unchecked. After the border is secured then and only then we can talk about the ones that are here and what to do with them.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 11, 2015 8:51 AM
Comment #396503

legal and illegal go back and forth across the border, some several times a year. If the illegal immigrants weren’t allowed to work they would self deport. Enforce a ‘no jobs’ rule and offer then ‘EZ’ passes and within a year they would self deport.

Posted by: roy ellis at July 11, 2015 2:53 PM
Comment #396506

roy

You are correct. The old “how do you plan to deport 11 million illegal aliens” argument is bogus. Take away the jobs and things that lure them here and attrition will do the rest.

Posted by: dbs at July 11, 2015 9:48 PM
Comment #396507

Put the Americans who hire them in jail for hiring them, and there would be no jobs to come to.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 11, 2015 9:58 PM
Comment #396511

So why isn’t that getting done? It seems both sides are in agreement on these issues.

Why isn’t it getting done?

Don’t give me the Republicans this and the Democratics that. Both sides agree on the specifics, hell, they even voted to build the wall!

Why isn’t it getting done?!

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 12, 2015 3:14 PM
Comment #396518

WW, Democrats only want to crack down on illegal immigrants after fixing the flaws that make legal immigration nearly impossible. Republicans only want to fix those flaws after cracking down on illegal immigrants already here. It’s a chicken & egg scenario. Neither side wants its priority relegated to second place.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 12, 2015 6:32 PM
Comment #396523

The demcorpocracy and repcorpocracy want more immigrants. For the pyramid to work there has to always be an abundance of labor. Cheap labor goes in at the bottom and eventually die off. Corporations, while legally persons, do not die off. They simply acquire assets in perpetuity. Erego monopolies/conglomerates and exponentially rising inequality.

Likewise, for social security. Takes an ever increasing number of workers to maintain solvency.

IMO.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at July 12, 2015 8:15 PM
Comment #396528

Warren writes; “The hope is that comprehensive immigration reform will establish a functioning guest worker program so that these people finally have a line to stand in.”

What American citizen jobs will they be taking Warren? Do we really need more unskilled workers Warren? Do you want them to have full government benefits Warren?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 13, 2015 4:59 PM
Comment #396529

Stand up and be counted.

Who is in favor of securing our borders? No parsing allowed, just a simple yes or no.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 13, 2015 5:21 PM
Comment #396531

yo

Posted by: roy ellis at July 13, 2015 8:07 PM
Comment #396532

YES!!!!

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 13, 2015 8:22 PM
Comment #396535

Build the damn wall.

Posted by: dbs at July 14, 2015 5:33 AM
Comment #396537

No.

To costly.
Don’t have the manpower.
Would need the cooperation of the Mexican government, which so far they have been unwilling to do.

What we need is to beef up our border security and go to a no tolerance policy towards illegal aliens and those who hire them.
No government services, no government assistance and automatic deportation when discovered.
Knowingly hire an illegal? Minimum 1 million dollar fine.
Use the billions of tax saved to offer Americans help with relocation costs.

Posted by: kctim at July 14, 2015 9:32 AM
Comment #396538

I am not of the opinion that building a wall should be the most important part of the discussion, there are alternatives that need to be addressed and outcomes that need to be realized. Here are some links to different views:

No Border Wall

Both Sides here

The maintenance of such an undertaking would also need to be considered. There is more to this idea than the simplicity expressed by just saying “build the wall”, isn’t there?

Posted by: Speak4all at July 14, 2015 9:42 AM
Comment #396540

No. It is impossible to secure a border and still maintain trade with another nation. North Korea’s border with China is secured in ways unimaginable to the US, yet many North Korean defectors still manage to cross.

What American citizen jobs will they be taking Warren? Do we really need more unskilled workers Warren? Do you want them to have full government benefits Warren?

I believe in the free market. If immigrants provide a better product to employers than native-born Americans, then so be it.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 14, 2015 10:46 AM
Comment #396541

kctim, you must have gotten smarter recently :) , I agree with your answer on the “secure the border” question, the great wall of America is to expensive. Using the ideas you suggest would serve to get the same result without the boondoggle the wall would entail.

However I am not aware of any services or assistance illegals can get here. What specifically are you referring to?

Posted by: j2t2 at July 14, 2015 10:51 AM
Comment #396542

Now to all you big spending, big government conservatives who want a wall around the country I would ask you how are you gonna pay for it, do you really think the Donald will force Mexico into helping pay for it? When you all find out that it isn’t gonna happen do you want to invade Mexico and take over that country or just spend American tax dollars, borrowed of course, to rebuild it like we did in Iraq?

Posted by: j2t2 at July 14, 2015 10:59 AM
Comment #396544

J2

Education, healthcare, law enforcement. Illegal aliens and their families that have given birth to U.S. citizens are eligible for benefits such as WIC and food stamps.

Posted by: kctim at July 14, 2015 11:50 AM
Comment #396546

kctim,

Now you are complaining about people who are here legally (US citizens).

And besides, you will never be able to prevent illegal immigrants from receiving law enforcement services. If it is possible to murder or rape an illegal immigrant without consequence then the impact would be disastrous for Americans. Likewise if an illegal immigrant has a contagious disease, I would rather that the individual be treated in a hospital rather than walking around spreading the disease to Americans. Lastly, you and I both know that the decision these immigrants make to come here has nothing to do with those services. It’s about the jobs. Period. Depriving those people of their basic human rights to law enforcement, health care or education is not going to deter anyone if the jobs are still here.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 14, 2015 12:19 PM
Comment #396547

Kctim. if education is given to the child of an illegal who is also illegal then yes it is a benefit to them. But at the same time if schools don’t check for citizenship then wouldn’t a simple law requiring schools to do so solve the problem?

Of course if we did that then the illegals paying taxes on their income would also be paying their share for a public education yet not getting it. Of course the law that requires checking for citizenship as they do for immunization shots would be something many conservative state legislators could do easily yet none seem to have done that, I wonder why. DO we really have to build a wall first?

Posted by: j2t2 at July 14, 2015 12:21 PM
Comment #396549

Warren

The citizen is not all who is receiving the benefits, the illegal aliens and their families also receive them.
Law enforcement uses resources to serve and protect illegal aliens. That is a benefit for illegal aliens. That costs taxpayer money.
Contagious disease? Could have sworn we were just told that was nothing but an evil right-wing racist myth, but now you are using it to justify your position? Either way, contrary to what we are told, our healthcare system and its professionals are quite capable of telling the difference between a broken finger and a Warren

The citizen is not all who is receiving the benefits, the illegal aliens and their families also receive them.
Law enforcement uses resources to serve and protect illegal aliens. That is a benefit for illegal aliens. That costs taxpayer money.
Contagious disease? Could have sworn we were just told that was nothing but an evil right-wing racist myth, but now you are using it to justify your position? Either way, contrary to what we are told, our healthcare system and its professionals are quite capable of telling the difference between a broken finger and a contagious disease.
Lastly, IF we are going to be honest with each other, we all know that while those benefits may not be the sole reason, they do encourage people to break our laws and illegally enter our country. And when they choose to do that, THEY are the only ones depriving themselves of anything.

Posted by: kctim at July 14, 2015 12:41 PM
Comment #396550

J2

Yes, a simple law demanding proof of citizenship for schools would aid in solving the problem. Unfortunately, protecting US citizens and resources is now called racist by certain people.

And I have not changed my mind in the last hour, so NO, we do not need to build a wall first.

Posted by: kctim at July 14, 2015 12:53 PM
Comment #396551

And yes, it appears my copy and paste skills suck this morning, lol.

Posted by: kctim at July 14, 2015 12:55 PM
Comment #396552

Too funny!

.. tell the difference between a broken finger and a Warren!

That makes my eyebrows chuckle!

Hey Doc! I’ve had this Warren for over 4 hours! What do I do?

I crack myself up!

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 14, 2015 2:37 PM
Comment #396553

Yeah, I got a good chuckle out that myself Weary.

Posted by: kctim at July 14, 2015 3:04 PM
Comment #396554
Unfortunately, protecting US citizens and resources is now called racist by certain people.

Kctim, calling or lumping a group, say Mexicans, into a statement, say “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” could be construed as racist or at the least an incredibly insensitive remark from a politician who should know better. Couldn’t Trump have at least, seeings he is not backing down on the issue, told us he was referring to illegal Mexicans if that were the case. Instead he lumped legal and illegal Mexicans and left out the rest of those illegals from all over the world.

Passing a law that doesn’t discriminate against illegals from say Mexico but includes all illegals wouldn’t necessarily be called racist.

The point is conservatives control many states legislatures yet they don’t seem to have concerned themselves with protecting US citizens and resources for some reason. Are they being restrained by their corporate money men who want to keep wages low or something? The conservatives on the street seem to agree with Trump yet those in control of state legislatures don’t seem to respond to those conservatives for some reason.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 14, 2015 3:54 PM
Comment #396555

J2

The average person knows Trump was referring to illegal aliens. It is only those on the far-left who seek total political victory who are trying to convince everybody that he was referring to all Mexicans.

No, he did not leave out illegal aliens from all over the world: “It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably— probably— from the Middle East.”

Trump doesn’t matter. He is boring and he won’t be getting the nomination. The illegal immigration problem is what we need to deal with.

Many many states legislatures HAVE tried to address the illegal alien problem plaguing their state. Apparently, asking for proof of citizenship when arrested, wanting to drive or seeking government benefits, is wrong and leads to lawsuits by special interests groups and even Obama.

I agree with you though, Republicans in office are spineless and are more worried about false claims of racism and losing voters, than they are about doing what is right for the country.

Posted by: kctim at July 14, 2015 4:24 PM
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