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Why Ben Carson Chose Detroit

Three days after May 1, Ben Carson will be giving a speech in Detroit and presumably announcing his run for the presidency. The ex-neurosurgeon and best-selling author is from Detroit, so it makes sense through the prism of storytelling. To return to the city that you grew up in to launch your presidential campaign is hardly surprising on the part of Ben Carson. But there is more than that one suspects in the good doctor’s choice of location. For all the wrong reasons, Detroit has been notorious for decades now and in fact, Ben Carson’s life, one of struggle and astonishing achievement, chronologically parallels, in inverse fashion, the decline of Detroit. The city of Ben’s childhood was, by all accounts, a far different place than Detroit is today. Carson was almost 16 years old in the summer of 67 when Detroit burned and he has seen his home town struggle and repeatedly fail to rise again in the years that followed.

Is Detroit finally back on track? Beyond the key infrastructure programs that have been attempted over more than 20 years now. It may finally be, but the city has become a symbol and a laboratory for all sorts of radical new urban policies - from satellite villages separated by green beltways from a reduced urban core, to plans to turn Detroit's urban prairie - vacant lots that outnumber still-standing homes in other words - into urban farmland. Every social scientist with a mad scheme wants in on Detroit's long-delayed renaissance. But entrepreneurs and economists and libertarian-leaning geographers are also part of the policy crowd. A word of warning to all of them, and to Ben Carson himself, who likely does not need any warning at all. It was precisely the top-down heavy handed urban planning of the immediate post-war period that helped set the stage for Detroit's decline. The interaction between city planners and the city's then recently-arrived African American community - of which Carson's parents who came from Georgia were part - is a sensitive debating point when attempting to understand the why's of the anger and radicalization that helped burn parts of the city down when Ben Carson was in high school. And in that mix of top-down planning and racial divide, union power squarely sat, and continues to sit today.

So, it will be fascinating to see what Ben Carson says when he speaks on May 4 in the Detroit Music Hall Center for the Performing Arts. Will he refer to his home town and it's still desperate need for sustainable renewal? And where will he suggest the path to growth and renewal lies? Dr. Carson will be exactly where he needs to be to announce to America what his vision is. Let's hope he rises to the occasion and helps his home town, and the rest of the country, rise with him.

Posted by AllardK at April 15, 2015 7:08 PM
Comments
Comment #391213

The GOP clown bus for presidential candidates is slowing down at a stop, but will Ben Carson get on board? His sole claim to fame is criticizing the ACA and calling for a flat tax at a breakfast attended by the president.

This is a possible candidate who said Obamacare is “the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery.”

Yeah. He said that.

By the way. He is black. And he still said that.

Oh. And he mentioned gay rights and bestiality in the same breath.

Yeah. He said that too.

He is a doctor, but he does not believe in evolution.

OK. After typing that last line, I’m laughing out loud now. Anyway, all aboard! The Republican clown bus is coming into a town near you!!!

Posted by: phx8 at April 17, 2015 12:01 AM
Comment #391215

I much prefer a bus-load of candidates to choose from than a tired old, and nasty tempered, rerun. Just imagine, in less than two years the CIC (clown in chief) will be gone. Good riddance.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 17, 2015 2:34 PM
Comment #391216

RF, I put you in the same category of those people who called George W Bush the CIC (Chimp in Charge). Low mentality citizens that do not deserve the great country that they live in and yet are afforded all of the amenities. You are disgusting.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2015 3:15 PM
Comment #391217

Although I do not prefer to vote for a one term senator, I would choose anyone of them over the Democrats front runner. PHX8 calls them a clown bus that clown bus is better then that tired old hag democrats call a front runner.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 17, 2015 3:40 PM
Comment #391218

KAP, more than one time I have seen you comment that you would have voted for Hillary if she was the democratic nominee in 2008. I don’t think you have been being very truthful at all. Sure, sure and you don’t watch Fox news.

phx8 calls it the clown car because of the antics that these prospective candidates perform during the primary process. I don’t believe I have ever witnessed him commenting that any one of them is a “clown”. The bus or car is in reference to the primary process that the last Republican primary season brought us.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2015 3:49 PM
Comment #391219

Speaks,I never said I would have voted for her I always said democrats picked the wrong person in 2008 at least Hillary had 8 years experience behind her. I’d appreciate it if you got your facts straight. I’d still take the clown car over the old hag.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 17, 2015 4:39 PM
Comment #391220

By the way speaks both sides need to get away from the old worn out people that have been running and get some young energetic people to run.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 17, 2015 4:46 PM
Comment #391221

KAP, you are and have been very untruthful here. That’s OK, it’s the internet and you can do want you want to. I myself have always felt that you were being untruthful so it really doesn’t bother me.

The problem with the Republican candidates and the party in general is that they cannot seem to make a comment without bringing someone or something else down. It plays well to the conservative/Republican/Teaparty base because they harbor the same feelings and eat it up like red meat. We have witnessed much of that here on this blog, with others cheering and goading the vile comments along. Until there comes a Republican candidate that can speak to what they will do to try to bring all citizens of our country to a better place, they will continue to suffer losses in the national general election for the Presidency.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2015 4:49 PM
Comment #391222

No speaks not untruthful, you can always go into the archives and prove me wrong though.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 17, 2015 4:53 PM
Comment #391223

And that is exactly why I would like to see Hillary choose Julian Castro as her running mate. An intelligent, well spoken articulate young man that can bring a lot to her run. Although I am not convinced that she will gain the nomination as there is a long way to go and there are lots of opportunities to blow it. My hope is that for all of her shortcomings (we all have those) she will campaign honestly and without using derogation to make her points, I hope she learned her lesson the last time.

I seem to remember Barack Obama being referred to as a young energetic person and yet here again you belie your own suppositions through your constant derogation of him and his efforts. I find it hard to believe you.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2015 4:56 PM
Comment #391224

Speak,
Is it fair to call some of the GOP candidates ‘clowns’? I think so. Consider Sarah Palin or Donald Trump. Consider Carson, a man with little practical experience outside of medicine, who regularly says some pretty incredible and outrageous things, and then seems surprised when people call him on it. Consider Rick Santorum. He has done some incredibly stupid, witless stuff, maybe as much as Palin and Trump and Carson combined!

Consider the three GOP presidential campaign rollouts we saw recently. Cruz did fine on day one. The next day he declared he would sign up for Obamacare. This guy led a government shut down over Obamacare! He went on and on about how bad it was for everyone else. But when his big moment came, he could not sign up fast enough. That guy is a real piece of work. ‘Clown’ would be too nice a word for someone who does what Cruz did. Really, that would be disrespectful to clowns.

Rand Paul blew his announcement too by performing poorly in an interview, among other things. His political stands fall apart under scrutiny. One moment he is a libertarian who opposes government interference in our private lives, and the next he is a socially conservative Republican who pushes extreme government interference in private matters.

Marco Rubio committed political malpractice by making his announcement the day after Hillary declared. Seriously, that guy makes more bad political decisions. What is it with him? When picked to lead immigration reform, he made a complete hash of it, and ended up opposing his own bill. Nice job! He thought humanity was causing Global Warming, then reversed himself and hoped no one would notice. He keeps doing things like that.

Posted by: phx8 at April 17, 2015 4:59 PM
Comment #391225

I don’t have time for archive digging. You and I both know what I am commenting about.

Conservatives/Republicans/Teaparty types all seem to have this problem of saying the most nasty things but are able to act like “Who me?” because they are so convinced that they and only they see the true light of knowledge when really they are looking at the reflection of ignorance and extreme disdain of their own existence. To bad, we’d like you all to join us in moving this country forward.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2015 5:00 PM
Comment #391226

I don’t mean some old fart picking a young running mate Speaks. No I don’t know what you are talking about speaks because you always seem to never have time to prove your point. Liberal, democrats, and progressives have said some really nasty things both now and in the past so don’t give me the CRAP that your side is some innocent virgin Speaks. Your just a nasty old fart like I am.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 17, 2015 5:10 PM
Comment #391227

phx8 I can agree with your premiss and regularly refer to the people you mentioned with more colorful words than “clown” in the privacy of my home. I would hold no objection if you did however my observations have been that you attempt to point out there shortcomings without using adjectives and stick to what they are saying and doing to make your points. I do not recall you ever calling any one of them a “clown” but perhaps you could have. I would not chastise you for doing so and only chastised RF for his use because he has the audacity and less than good manners to call a sitting President that. But hey, it’s the internet and as I told KAP you can do what you want here.

Remember when Michelle Bachman was leading in the polls? Unbelievable but true.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2015 5:11 PM
Comment #391228

No, KAP, I am nothing like you. For one thing I rarely try to use demeaning language unless I am personally attacked. You on the other hand have done that quite a bit and without much success or provocation. You see I have great hope for this country and all of it’s citizens. You on the other hand take the lead of the politicians you admire and just try to tear someone or something down to your level. To bad, it would be nice to have genuine participation.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2015 5:14 PM
Comment #391229

You are disgusting.
Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2015 3:15 PM

I feel the love.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 17, 2015 5:15 PM
Comment #391230

RF, as well you should. You know that I have an affinity for you and KAP and have always tried to engage in relevant conversation although I haven’t had much success, that could be more my fault but I will still try.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2015 5:19 PM
Comment #391231

Sorry Speaks, but that’s BS.

Leftists have been calling everybody who disagrees with them racists, sexists, gay hating bigots for at least the past decade.
Disagree with the ACA and infringing on freedom of choice? Racist.
Don’t want to pay for a woman’s birth control or abortion? Woman hating sexist.
Don’t want to redefine marriage? Gay hating bigot.
And to top it all off, Phx8 just clarified that he is attacking them on a personal level.
You don’t want people to join you in moving this country forward, you want everybody to give up their principles and country and fall in lockstep.

As far as Carson goes: Choosing Detroit, a perfect example of the destruction liberalism leads to, is genius. It’s too bad the leftist media won’t give him a fair chance.

Posted by: kctim at April 17, 2015 5:22 PM
Comment #391232

Speaks, I have the same hopes that you have for this country but in a different direction then you do. As far as being nasty take that up with phx8 and his clown car comment, I can be just as nasty or as civil as the next person, you play dirty I will to, you want to play nice I will to, and that Speaks is politics.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 17, 2015 5:30 PM
Comment #391233

No KAP that is childish. kct, let me decide what I want to do. You can do what you want without telling me what I am doing. I know you can’t stop yourself when it comes to this though, so go right ahead.

I don’t have time for this nonsense of back and forth insults so I must leave but hope you all can overcome any of the problems you perceived that you have. I know I can.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2015 5:36 PM
Comment #391234

I am highly entertained by Speaks when he puts on his “high hat” and begins croaking Kumbaya. Perhaps his grandkids enjoy his act too.

Obamawan had two years as a senator under his belt and was adept at plunging plugged toilets as his bona fides for becoming president. Yet the liberals squeal about the inexperience of some Rep candidates.

Hillary has more baggage than a New York hotel porter at Christmas. When excited, her voice sounds like an out of tune screech-horn and the last time she wore a dress was at Bill’s inauguration as Gov of Arkansas. She is lazy, inept, and corrupt.

If she wasn’t Bill’s wife she would be just another ambulance chasing lawyer.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 17, 2015 5:38 PM
Comment #391235

RF, OK I might be wrong. You could be beyond all hope. I hope you to are able to overcome the great problems that you have but hold little hope for that until an attitude adjustment is in place.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 17, 2015 5:44 PM
Comment #391236

Speaks hit the nail on the head with his childish comment. We have 535 children in congress and 1 in the W.H.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 17, 2015 5:45 PM
Comment #391237

Speak, my political attitude is that extreme leftists and socialists are attempting to ruin our country with their unconstitutional ideology and spendthrift proclivity.

Many on the left are indeed brain-washed into acceptance of diminishing the United States to that of some Third World dictatorship.

Perhaps the voice of reason does sound harsh to you and others.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 17, 2015 5:53 PM
Comment #391238

FFS Speaks, I stop myself from commenting on your emotional rants all the time.

Posted by: kctim at April 17, 2015 5:59 PM
Comment #391239
Choosing Detroit, a perfect example of the destruction liberalism leads to, is genius.

Kctim, shame on you, trying to slide one of them conservatives myths into the fray. Detroit was the auto capital back in the day. Globalization, sending jobs to Mexico and other countries etc, is what brought Detroit down not liberal policy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Detroit

Posted by: j2t2 at April 17, 2015 6:43 PM
Comment #391240

By the way, comparing the GOP presidential nominees to clowns is not really a personal attack. There is no mention of their looks, behavior, or anything of a personal nature. I am citing what they DO and what they say, and providing specific examples of foolish clown-like behavior.

Compare what I say to what conservatives say about Obama. If you watch carefully, the conservative attacks on Obama will almost always be free of facts or real content. It will usually be something vague and unquantifiable. And that’s on a good day.

My criticisms are specific and based on facts, and if anyone needs links from objective sources, I can provide them.

Posted by: phx8 at April 17, 2015 7:38 PM
Comment #391241

“My criticisms are specific and based on facts, and if anyone needs links from objective sources, I can provide them.”

Your facts often turn out to be simply opinion. I have destroyed your facts on numerous occasions.

Hell, the left can’t even provide factual evidence of MMGW. Yet, they bluster and bloviate that only they practice real science. Then, to top it off, they unscientifically pronounce that a supposed consensus settles the unproven.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 17, 2015 7:56 PM
Comment #391243

J2, shame on you for ignoring the impact of careless spending, dependency on government, crime, and corruption.

Phx8

BS. The lefts attacks are based on nothing but differences of opinion and hyperbole. Anybody watching knows exactly what is going on and you just provided a perfect example of it:

“I am citing what they DO and what they say”

Citing? The left labels anybody who disagrees with them as clowns, radicals, extremists, racists, bigots etc… Not to discuss the issues, but to shut down any and all discussion about the issue.

“Compare what I say to what conservatives say about Obama”

Why not compare it to what people say about the policies Obama supports and is forcing onto the country? Because making it about personal attacks on Obama himself, muddies the waters. You don’t want people questioning policy, you want them to feel guilt or shame.

What I don’t get is how you think you can cite what the right is doing and what they are saying, but when it comes to Obama, you have to spend so much time citing how he isn’t really doing what he is doing, or meaning to say what he is actually saying.

Posted by: kctim at April 20, 2015 9:57 AM
Comment #391244

kctim,
I can cite climate statistics until the cows come home, and the typical conservative response, including the presidential candidates, is to either claim a conspiracy theory or pretend everything is unknowable.

I can cite economic statistics showing the superiority of the Obama administration performance- unemployment numbers, stock market, interest rates, inflation, deficit reduction, and more, and the typical conservative response, including the presidential candidates, is to either claim a conspiracy theory or pretend everything is unknowable.

This applies pretty much across the board. Let’s look at the 2012 campaign.

Fact:
In 2012, Romney said we would see “chronic high unemployment” stuck in the 8% range, and he promised he would reduce the unemployment rate to 6% by 2016. Obama reduced it to 5.5% in less than three years.

Fact:
In 2012, Senator Lee from Utah predicted gas would go to $6.60/gallon because of Obama administration policies. Gingrich predicted as high as $10. It is now under $3.

Fact:
Donald Trump predicted a stock market crash; instead, the market continues setting all time records. Trump may run again, by the way. When included in the polls, he ranks in the middle of the pack.

Fact:
Limbaugh predicted “the country’s economy is going to collapse if Obama is re-elected… There’s no if about this. And it’s gonna be ugly. It’s gonna be gut wrenching, but it will happen… California is going to declare bankruptcy… I know mathematics, and I know economics. I know history. I know socialism, statism, Marxism, I know where it goes.”

Lol! The economy continues growing at a steady clip, as measure by a long string of consecutive growth of GDP. California is producing big surpluses. The last one was $4 billion.

So! It is not a matter of “opinion or hyperbole.” The current crop of GOP candidates are every bit as ridiculous as the 2012 clown car when it comes to economic issues, which are easier to quantify than some other topics. See if you can find any reasonable economic ideas coming from these clowns. Good luck!

Or should we look at climate change statistics?

By the way, there was a very interesting article on how a high ranking Iraqi intelligence official fled Iraq after being in Abu Ghraib, went to Syria, and wrote out the blueprint and then played a critical role in forming ISIS. I believe he was killed last year, but the documents just came to light.

Posted by: phx8 at April 20, 2015 11:25 AM
Comment #391245

We can play the same game with Obamacare. Virtually everything the GOP and its potential presidential contenders said about the health care reform turned out to be wrong. By virtually every criteria Obamacare has been a tremendous success. It has resulted in the lowest percentage of uninsured Americans in a long time, it has reigned in skyrocketing health care costs to all time lows, it has been good for business- just look at the stock prices of health care stocks for an objective measurement. It obviously has not been bad for the job market as employment numbers continue setting records.

It is not a personal attack to point out when people are wrong. But when they keep making the same mistakes over and over again, like voting to repeal Obamacare over 50 times, that is when they start getting called ‘clowns.’

Posted by: phx8 at April 20, 2015 2:39 PM
Comment #391246

Spot on phx8. Thanks for the facts. We won’t see any facts in refutation of your points. Only emotional outcries of something or other that ends with “Obama bad”.

I am still looking forward to HRC’s campaign and hope that she doesn’t sink to the level of vitriol that will be hurled upon her. And believe it or not I am looking forward to the Republican primary process as clownish as it seems it is part of our electoral process. The candidates are very adept at reflecting the values and wants of the voters that they address and will remain oblivious to anyone else. I just hope it’s not as disgusting last time, people booing gay service members, people yelling to let a cancer patient die. I bet we won’t see any mention of “47%” anytime during this process though. Really liked what O’Malley said on NPR this weekend

Posted by: Speak4all at April 20, 2015 5:54 PM
Comment #391247
J2, shame on you for ignoring the impact of careless spending, dependency on government, crime, and corruption.

Kctim, shame on you for trying to tell us careless spending, dependency on government, crime and corruption are liberal principles. Shame on you,Kctim, Conservatives are as corrupt as any political group if not more so I’m pretty sure you don’t want to trade corruption stories ad nauseum you need to and just as dependent upon the government. Just because the crimes are different doesn’t mean they aren’t criminals! And while conservatives may fool you into believing they are careful spenders the facts don’t prove it out. You need to stop swilling the kool aid IMHO.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 20, 2015 7:57 PM
Comment #391250

Phx8

THAT is what you should be doing, instead of the ridiculous personal attacks I pointed out.
You guys no longer discuss things like climate change, you resort to calling those who disagree with you deniers and clowns. Economics? The ACA? Marriage? Everybody who dares disagree with your opinion of what’s important is a racist, selfish, full of hate etc…
THAT is nothing but opinion and hyperbole.

You guys used to be good at defending your positions, now it’s about nothing else but defending Obama at all costs. The world believing him to be great, is more important than the country to you guys.

Posted by: kctim at April 21, 2015 11:11 AM
Comment #391251

kctim,

“You guys used to be good at defending your positions, now it’s about nothing else but defending Obama at all costs.”

I suppose you are entitled to your point of view, however, the vitriol from the right has been unending for decades. All you have to do is read the posts from some of the writers here on these pages to know I’m right.
Facts don’t matter anymore. Hyperbole reigns supreme. No one has to actually prove their point any more when there is a litany of bogus opinion supplied by so many whacked out, anonymous sources of opinion from both sides on the internet.

When there is an an endless supply of bullsh*t repeated aud nauseum reality seems suspended, and the sheepeople will believe just about anything, and will repeat it themselves at will.

Americans don’t seem curious any more, and that, more than anything else will lead to the downfall of this country.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at April 21, 2015 11:41 AM
Comment #391252

J2

Have Conservatives been running Detroit?

Government spending is a liberal principle. The fact that you do not view shoveling money at problems and desires as being careless, is on you.

Liberalism is dependent on government. It’s policies require government mandates to insure compliance, and it’s supporters require government to provide for them. Liberalism breeds dependency and a false sense of entitlement.
When that dependency and false sense of entitlement are not met, you get the rampant crime that plague our large urban areas.
I’ll take the occasional drunk and pot bust over the daily drug deals, rapes and murders, any day.

And yes:
- Politicians on either side can be corrupt.
- So-called Conservatives who ignore or outright embrace liberal policy are not careful spenders.

BTW: You know I’m not a Conservative, so the “Conservatives are worse” propaganda isn’t going to rile me up any.

Posted by: kctim at April 21, 2015 11:54 AM
Comment #391253

All I have ever maintained on this blog regarding President Obama is that he was trying to do the job that he was elected to do. I have stated before that I could be wrong and got very little from the detractors here regarding their opinions of President Obama and that they could be wrong.

There are delusional statements being made about my support of a sitting President that I am certain cannot be substantiated with any links or quotes. Hyperbole indeed is all we have experienced. Countless times some commenters here have accused me of thinking President Obama was a messiah.

Posted by: Speak4all at April 21, 2015 5:39 PM
Comment #391254
Have Conservatives been running Detroit?

Seems to me Kctim, you didn’t bother to read the wiki page in my previous post, why not read it and then we can carry on an intelligent conversion.

Government spending is a liberal principle. The fact that you do not view shoveling money at problems and desires as being careless, is on you.

Kctim, a social safety net is a liberal principle. The fact that I saw the conservatives of the GWB era fund a war on credit cards, and continue to spend the biggest share of the budget on the military makes your “shoveling money at problems and desires” comment laughable if it wasn’t sad that despite all evidence to the contrary you believe it.

Liberalism is dependent on government.

The existence of the middle class is dependent on government kctim. But you say it like it is a bad thing. The discussion is on the size of government unless you are an anarchist right kctim?


It’s policies require government mandates to insure compliance,

As do all policies kctim unless your into a Somalia thing.


and it’s supporters require government to provide for them.

Oh quit being so silly kctim, do you think for one minute those rich guys buying our elected officials do it to lose money? They require government to provide for them as well whether they be conservative libertarian or liberal.


Liberalism breeds dependency and a false sense of entitlement.

Really, a social safety net for those less fortunate than we are breeds gratitude as much as anything IMHO. The sense of entitlement many on the right have comes from greed not gratitude and that is the difference IMHO. To act as if a sense of entitlement is just for those hanging on to the social safety net is wrong kctim, do you believe all this nonsense you spout?

When that dependency and false sense of entitlement are not met, you get the rampant crime that plague our large urban areas.

Spoken like a true fascist kctim. If we could only rid the country of minorities and homosexuals we would all have good paying jobs and live in paradise right! Income Inequality that results from the wealthy believing they work harder than the rest of us, or as you say a false sense of entitlement, when in fact it is them titling the game board to favor themselves that is the real cause of “rampant crime” well that and cops if we judge by the NYPD strike a few months back.


I’ll take the occasional drunk and pot bust over the daily drug deals, rapes and murders, any day.

As would we all kctim, but you forget about the white collar crime that steals from all of us. But lets be real here none of this is liberal libertarian or conservative principles so what is your point. Are you suggesting something here? My bet it is the minorities and homosexuals thing but please enlighten me.

So-called Conservatives who ignore or outright embrace liberal policy are not careful spenders.

Jesus Christ kctim, are you that foolish to actually say this! My god man stop swilling the kool aid my friend and realize that those “so called conservatives” are the real deal they don’t embrace anything liberal, just like you don’t, yet they spend like a drunken conservative, I suggest it is that false sense of entitlement that comes with having so many like yourself that fall for anything they are told.

BTW: You know I’m not a Conservative, so the “Conservatives are worse” propaganda isn’t going to rile me up any.

But maybe just maybe kctim it will smarten you up. You see the problem is this for the most part we are all either liberal or conservative because libertarian is just some book theory written by some mean hearted old lady who despite all her talk took social security when the time came. I mean show me a libertarian utopia that works, even a small one.

http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2013/9/3/galt%E2%80%99s-gulch-chile-%E2%80%93-where-the-world-is-coming-to.html

Posted by: j2t2 at April 21, 2015 8:55 PM
Comment #391815

I read the link J2 and it is quite evident which policies have ruled the city.

“a social safety net is a liberal principle.”

Call it what you want, the fact remains that it is shoveling money at problems and creates dependency.
The Bush blame game is getting real old and has nothing to do with the topic. It has nothing to do with the failure of Detroit.

“The existence of the middle class is dependent on government kctim.”

No, it’s not. And it IS a bad thing when ANY “class” becomes dependent on government.
Government runs government, J2. NOT lives. The screams of anarchy and Somalia are nothing but fearful propaganda.

“Oh quit being so silly kctim, do you think for one minute those rich guys buying our elected officials do it to lose money?”

The thing is, J2, I don’t think of those “rich guys” at all. Not who they are or what they have. Nor do I covet them or their possessions.
The fact is, if government did not have the power and control it now does, those “rich guys” would have no need to buy those elected.

“Really, a social safety net for those less fortunate than we are breeds gratitude as much as anything IMHO.”

IF it did, Detroit and others would not be such failures. IF it did, you would think liberals would seek that gratitude by actually helping, instead of using their resources selfishly on themselves so they can pretend to care.

“The sense of entitlement many on the right have comes from greed not gratitude and that is the difference IMHO.”

Keeping what one has worked for and earned is NOT greed. The right to live ones own life as one thinks is best, is not a false sense of entitlement, it’s freedom.

“To act as if a sense of entitlement is just for those hanging on to the social safety net is wrong kctim, do you believe all this nonsense you spout?”

The concept of freedom is not nonsense, J2. Rejecting that freedom for comfort and convenience however, is very much nonsense.


When that dependency and false sense of entitlement are not met, you get the rampant crime that plague our large urban areas.

“Spoken like a true fascist kctim.”

Then you apparently have no idea as to what fascism actually is.

“If we could only rid the country of minorities and homosexuals we would all have good paying jobs and live in paradise right!”

Yawn. Kind of early to start with the gay and race cards, isn’t it?
Gay, straight, black, white, brown, yellow ALL make up our large urban areas, J2. And people from all groups are dependent on government.

“Income Inequality that results from the…”

Yeah yeah. The wealthy 1%, Bilderberger, NWO, evil cops etc… BS.
You can believe all the stories you want, but the fact is that people are responsible for themselves.


I’ll take the occasional drunk and pot bust over the daily drug deals, rapes and murders, any day.

“As would we all kctim, but you forget about the white collar crime that steals from all of us. But lets be real here none of this is liberal libertarian or conservative principles so what is your point. Are you suggesting something here?”

I am stating as a fact that large urban areas rules by liberal policy are mainly where the problems are. The street corner drug dealing, attacks on people, gun violence etc… And it’s not because of people with “too much money.”

“My bet it is the minorities and homosexuals thing but please enlighten me.”

That’s not a bet, that’s nothing but hyperbole you use to avoid facts.

“Jesus Christ kctim, are you that foolish to actually say this! My god man stop swilling the kool aid my friend and realize that those “so called conservatives” are the real deal they don’t embrace anything liberal,”

Sigh. You know, this unreasonable hatred you have of Conservatives, especially over the last 6 years, is making you delusional.
FACT: Today’s Conservatives are doing nothing to address the problems that are plaguing our country. Yes, they pay lip service and sometimes try to slow things down a little, but they are not doing anything significant to limit government or protect individual rights as required by the Constitution.

“But maybe just maybe kctim it will smarten you up.”

If ignoring the Constitution and blaming others for all my problems as you do is what you consider “smarten up,” you can forget it. I deal in reality.

“You see the problem is this for the most part we are all either liberal or conservative”

The problem is that you and others actually believe that nonsense.
My beliefs are based on individual rights and freedoms, not a party. That is why I am consistent in my beliefs.

“I mean show me a libertarian utopia that works, even a small one.”

How about a Constitutional Republic that worked just fine for around 150 some years or so?


http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2013/9/3/galt%E2%80%99s-gulch-chile-%E2%80%93-where-the-world-is-coming-to.html

Posted by: kctim at April 24, 2015 1:04 PM
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