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When Jeb's Bandwagon Catches Fire

Jeb Bush wants to be president, and the details of what type of president he will be can be worked out later. At least that seems to be the attitude of a significant part of the GOP. Just look at the polls and decide who would do best against Hillary is the approach. The numbers and how to improve them seem to dominate, at least for those donors and former Bush padre and Dubya advisors who are lining up to help fund or to be part of Jeb’s team. What that says about any policy platform that his team is cobbling together from ideas long past due is not encouraging. Catchphrases like Liberty and Strength have been heard before in very different times. To base foreign policy on pillars like Liberty and Strength is commendable, of course. But what that may mean in practice, on issues like immigration, terrorism, trade with Asia and Latin America, as well as education at home, remains very much to be seen.


Could it be that some in the GOP, specifically Republican Senators, want Jeb in the race but do not necessarily want him to win? That could be, but the behind-the-scenes big money donors are already attending private fund raising dinners where they sometimes contribute up to $100,000 for the privilege of attending. And they are a cultured bunch. Like Juleanna Glover, former Cheney spokesperson, who stated that when it comes to conservatives, "I don't think they understand the Common Core issue." So it's a good thing Jeb Bush will helpfully educate them on the issue and bring them to the enlightened truth he is privileged, as a son of privilege, to possess. There seems to be a lot of optimism among Jeb supporters that once people get to know the candidate, they will jump on his well-financed bandwagon. And surely a few skeptical senators will do so if they feel the opportunity is right. As for the rest of Republican voters who seem to be demanding a real change in Washington, their anger is something Jeb will eventually have to face. Much sooner rather than later. How his well-oiled bandwagon survives their blaze of fury is an open question. What other GOP candidates will do to gain traction when, or if, Jeb's covered wagons catch fire is also an important question. One that well-heeled money figures in the GOP - many apparently from Blue States - should perhaps ask themselves.

Posted by AllardK at February 20, 2015 5:35 PM
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Comment #389440

“As for the rest of Republican voters who seem to be demanding a real change in Washington, their anger is something Jeb will eventually have to face.”

Agreed. The GOP establishment and the big money and Chamber of Commerce are trying to make it seem like the decision has already been made, and Jeb Bush will be the nominee. The Neocons have already lined up behind him. But I don’t think the GOP base will vote for Jeb. It isn’t necessarily a political thing or a question of issues. It is just that people are sick of the Bush family and no one will go along with the idea that Jeb Bush is entitled to the nomination.

IMO the GOP nomination this time around will defy conventional wisdom because there is enough anger to nominate a dark horse.

Posted by: phx8 at February 21, 2015 1:19 AM
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The Tampa Bay Times (formerly St Pete Times) is relentlessly progressive. They have been running on an every other day basis, more or less, front page generally negatively slanted pieces on Jeb Bush for the last couple of months. Today’s was on Bush’s wife, Columba, who is about as non-political as they come. Their editorial board at least thinks Jeb might be a threat to Hillary.

While I agree that there may be “Bush fatigue”, I’m not sure that it is as prevalent as the media plays it. I’ve lived under Florida governors since Bob Graham. Bush was up there with the better ones, certainly better than Charlie Crist or Rick Scott.

As for the anti-dynasty argument - if valid for Bush why not for Clinton?

Posted by: Mike in Tampa at February 23, 2015 8:19 AM
Comment #389736

I know that I am not the GOP base, but the reason that I will not vote for Jeb Bush is based solely on the issues. He needs the independent vote and I don’t think his wishy-washy positions will convince them to vote for him.

Posted by: kctim at February 23, 2015 11:18 AM
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As a governor, Jeb Bush is remembered for the botched 2000 election, in which Jeb’s brother lost the popular vote, but due to a Supreme Court decision, was awarded FL electoral votes when the Court stopped the recounts. It was a dirty piece of business. Jeb is also remembered for what he did to Terry Schiavo. Jeb Bush made it his mission to turn the life of that poor woman and her husband into hell, as if it were not bad enough already. Jeb Bush used government to interfere in the most personal and private and difficult decision a family can make, and Jeb Bush pushed this despite losing in court time and time again. It was a terrible thing to do. Jeb Bush abused his power about as badly as it is possible for a politician to do.

Making Columba Bush an issue seems pointless. She apparently spends a ton of money on shopping and jewelry. She likes soap operas. She is a philanthropist who does not care much about politics. Sounds to me like she is just not a political person.

Posted by: phx8 at February 23, 2015 4:54 PM
Comment #389770

By the way, the dynasty question is an interesting one. It certainly seems contrary to the spirit of American democracy. There have been cases of one relative of a president later becoming president, but never two. Hillary Clinton does not fit the ‘dynasty’ term very well for two reasons: 1) she is female, and would be the first one to become POTUS, and 2) she has a resume that would make her a strong candidate in her own right, regardless of Bill Clinton- Well educated at top notch schools, a lawyer, First Lady of AK and the US, Senator from NY, presidential candidate in 2008, and Secretary of State. There just aren’t many people around with that kind of resume.

Posted by: phx8 at February 23, 2015 5:15 PM
Comment #389847

phx8:

I must disagree that Jeb Bush is remembered for the 2000 election. The botching (and there was some) was the poor ballot design and inability of south Florida (democratic) election supervisors and voters to get their act together. I recall that the recount was stopped when it became apparent that “voter intent” was going to be subjective. I know that there are partisan differences on this, but no one is served when “counting” continues until the desired result is obtained, al la Al Franken.

I agree on Terry Schiavo; if me, I would have not interfered. I have never gotten the impression, however that Bush’s decision was motivated by politics. It seemed more a truly sincere believe, consistent for someone with an apparent strong Catholic faith. This is an issue on which there can be disagreement (e.g. the husband and her parents).

Concerning Clinton - I know there is no blood relation (I think, since Hillary is from Illinois and not Arkansas) between Bill and Hillary, but the fact that she is female seems to have not much to do with the question. We can agree to disagree that her experience and accomplishments qualify her for president or negate that another Clinton would be similarly “dynastic” as another Bush.

Posted by: Mike in Tampa at February 24, 2015 8:04 AM
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Come on Mike, you can’t take ‘the great election conspiracy of 2000’ away from them. LOL!!!

I’m with you on the Schiavo case. The only ones who played politics with it were the far-left.

As far as Hillary, it has absolutely nothing to do with blood or qualifications, and everything to do with her being a woman who supports far-left policy.

Posted by: kctim at February 24, 2015 9:09 AM
Comment #389863

Mike in Tampa,
Re Schiavo- It is fine if people want to practice their own faith in end-of-life decisions and other intensely personal affairs. It is not fine to force their beliefs and practices on others. The husband was the recognized legal guardian, and courts and doctors repeatedly ruled the poor woman to be in a vegetative state. Her parents paid doctors to say that was not so, and far right social conservatives pushed politicians to prevent the end of her life.

kctim,
The 2000 election was decided in the state where the brother of the candidate was in charge.

“The only ones who played politics with it were the far-left.”

(Re Schiavo) The case went on for years, and it was essentially far right social conservatives battling the courts. The left had virtually no involvement in the case until it went national, and even then, it was in reaction to some of the extraordinary actions taken by Bush and others.

It was, by the way, the post-9/11 high water mark of the Bush presidency. After the Schiavo debacle, people recoiled and turned against Bush and the far right in disgust. The Bush approval ratings never recovered.

One of the reasons Hillary did not win in 2008 was her right leaning foreign policy. She voted for the War in Iraq, and supported keeping troops in Iraq after 2008. Obama voted against the invasion and wanted a withdrawal. It was a big reason why he won and she lost.

Assuming Hillary is far-left on foreign policy is a big mistake. She causes liberals more distress than you might realize.

Posted by: phx8 at February 24, 2015 10:46 AM
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Phx8

It has been 15 years and despite of all the information that has come out, you guys are still claiming conspiracy. By that measure, you guys will still be blaming everything on Bush through 2025. lol

I agree with Mike in Tampa about the Shiavo case. Her family and supporters weren’t fighting some political beliefs, they were fighting to keep her alive. When the case went national, the extremists on the far-left are the ones who put their agenda in the forefront.

“She causes liberals more distress than you might realize.”

And yet, even knowing this about her, you guys will gladly line up and pull the lever for her, just like you did with all you knew about Obama. Why? Because the ‘scary’ Republican candidate supports traditional marriage or might try and take away some government program, or some other BS that has nothing to do with the success of the country.

Posted by: kctim at February 24, 2015 11:26 AM
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