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Hillary Deserves This and That's All You Have to Know

Real Clear Politics has released polls on the Republican and Democratic New Hampshire Primaries and if you’re a Democrat, it seems to be over already. Hillary is so far ahead, the rest of the Democratic field seem like rounding numbers. That should clear things up for GOP candidates who - as of now and with more than six months to go - face a very competitive race. While they may not be sure who among them will be the winner, they have a pretty good idea of who they will be facing. Why is Hillary so far ahead? In an interview with freelance reporter Samuel Rosales-Avila, he provoked her with a tough question about whether she was too old or not healthy enough to run for president. “It’s my turn. I’ve done my time, and I deserve it.” she snapped at him and then stormed out of the interview, which is now off-the-record apparently. Now it might not be fair to start with Bob Dole comparisons at this point because we still have no idea who will be running against Hillary. But it is interesting to ask, why is Hillary Clinton running for president?

Hillary has worked around and in politics for a long time. In Chicago as a young teenager she supposedly became aware of fraud when she volunteered to help canvass the south side. That would be fraud against Richard Nixon. In 1964 she was volunteering for Goldwater but by 1968 she was already flirting with radical student politics even as she continued to claim the middle ground. By the early 70's she was at Yale law school were she met Bill. She was a rising star in the liberal world, a member of the impeachment staff that advised the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate hearings. Then after failing the DC Bar exam, and passing the Arkansas bar exam, she married Bill and soon became the Governor's wife. Fast forward from Watergate to White Water and the Lewinsky scandal and you have a battle scarred veteran in Hillary. The problem is her battles were mostly with her husband. Had she stayed in DC ... had she passed that Bar Exam ... Even she admits her frustration at times. So like a union worker in Illinois she's racked up a lot of years punching her card. And like any spouse who has to deal with a difficult partner she has been admired for her loyalty to Bill, although how much was loyalty and how much was about ambition is an open question. Yes, she is as big a policy wonk as Bill, witness her role in the failed Health Care Reform. Yes she was a Senator and Secretary of State. But what in goodness name is there about her that inspires those liberals to overwhelmingly choose her in polls? Do they feel the same way she does? It's Hillary's turn and that's all you need to know? Is that how you win a presidential election in America? I suspect whoever wins the GOP nomination will find they have a far better chance of defeating Hillary than even some republican pollsters believe right now.

Posted by AllardK at July 17, 2014 2:56 PM
Comment #380865

My belief is that since Hillary has reached “super-star” status and global name recognition; many dems polled choose her as they believe they know her well and what she stands for.

Frankly, I believe an articulate moderate democrat governor with a good record of fiscal responsibility and job creation could steal the nomination from Ms. Clinton.

Depending upon whom the Republicans nominate, I could vote for such a dem candidate myself.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 16, 2014 5:51 PM
Comment #380870

Hillary enjoys name recognition as well as the benefit of a strong resume. Her successful stints as lawyer, First Lady, Senator, and Secretary of State make her nearly unassailable as a candidate. The only competitors among Democrats are BP Joe Biden and Senator Elizabeth Warren. Biden has never drawn many votes in primaries, and Warren has repeatedly stated she is absolutely not running for the office. Any Democrats that run will basically be doing groundwork for future campaigns: making connections, doing favors & gathering IOU’s, and putting themselves in position for positions in the cabinet or even Hillary’s VP.

This is different, because it is the first time a Democratic candidate will basically be a coronation. It has been common among Republicans for the past several elections, but a new experience for Democrats.

The GOP is in big trouble. While I don’t know of any Democratic governors that would be candidates, there should be a lot of Republican ones. This should be the perfect year for a Republican governor. Yet none appear to be surfacing. Christie self-destructed.

Right now, the most plausible GOP candidate seems to be Senator Rand Paul. However, the Republican establishment hates him, he is inexperienced, and he needs to develop a thicker skin when events turn against him. During some scandals surrounding his staff and plagiarism, Paul reacted poorly. He’ll get better with time. That is what experience provides.

The other conceivable candidates among Republicans are disasters waiting to happen- Senator Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Governor Rick Perry- these are candidates who would draw a quarter to a third of voters on a national basis. Yikes!

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Posted by: sdfkjsdkds at July 16, 2014 11:52 PM
Comment #380880

Hillary deserves this because she’s been working for eight years to put herself in the exact same position she held in 2007. The key to winning the Democratic primary is the black vote and as this article points out African American voters tend to stick with the establishment Democratic candidate. In 2007 that was Hillary but early campaign mistakes let the unknown Obama in the door in Iowa giving African Americans a viable alternative. She will to go into ‘16 once again as the establishment candidate and this time I’m betting she “finds her voice” ahead of Iowa and not after. There’s not another establishment type candidate (well Biden if you stretch) out there; only a second mistake by Hillary coupled with a viable alternative for the blacks will prevent her nomination. I know the liberals like Warren, but no way she gets the Wall Street money away from Clinton and no way she swings blacks like Obama.

Hillary’s challenge will be in the general and only if the Republicans can sort their voice out. Running a candidate who is going to the White House on a promise to cut everything or even do no harm sounds good to the base but it won’t cut it in the general. That leaves Hillary but I’ve always thought she would make a good President because she’s a political animal first and an ideologue second. She made her husband into the same and that’s why he was successful despite the ‘94 elections.

Posted by: George in SC at July 17, 2014 8:53 AM
Comment #380881

George in SC,
Good analysis. I’m with you on this. Much as I would like Warren, I do not think that will happen… no chance. Oh well. It is hard to see any challenges to her arising from the Democrats, and the GOP seems lost right now.

Rand Paul looks the most promising. He could actually surprise people and win some primaries. A lot of that depends on his organizational skills and ability to put together a top notch campaign staff. The RNC changed their primary process this year, and since they have shortened up the process quite a bit, it makes a surprise from Paul even more likely. He could swamp the opposition before the establishment GOP can stop him.

It would be good for the GOP if he could make a run. I’m not saying I would vote for him. He is too inexperienced and too thin skinned. But those are both curable problems, given some years. He does bring some new ideas and new approaches to the GOP, and that party desperately needs them. The Tea Party is toxic on a national level and the social platform- personhood amendments, anti-choice, bigotry towards gays & immigrants, and so on- might attract the base, but is repugnant to 2/3 of Americans. Not a viable way to approach an election. Paul might be the beginning of a meaningful and positive change.

Posted by: phx8 at July 17, 2014 9:49 AM
Comment #380885

One just has to admire the supposed top runner for the democrat nomination for President who speaks with such conviction and clarity.

“My accomplishments as Secretary of State? Well, I’m glad you asked! My proudest accomplishment in which I take the most pride, mostly because of the opposition it faced early on, you know… the remnants of prior situations and mindsets that were too narrowly focused in a manner whereby they may have overlooked the bigger picture and we didn’t do that and I’m proud of that. Very proud. I would say that’s a major accomplishment.”

- Hillary Clinton 11 March 2014

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 17, 2014 3:21 PM
Comment #380886

Did she say that while dodging bullets in the Balkins, or shoes in the theater? Oh, well! What difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2014 3:31 PM
Comment #380887

If she gets elected we should just put Simon Cowl in charge of running all our elections.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2014 3:33 PM
Comment #380889

WW & RF,
If you would like to take the time to develop an informed opinion, here is a link on Hillary’s term as Secretary of State:’s_tenure_as_Secretary_of_State

It is a long article. It is not a very exciting article. That is what effective government looks like though… unexciting. A lot of necessary but unexciting things happen. Stuff gets done. Mistakes don’t happen.

Compare this with the previous two Secretary of States: Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. Remember that briefing Powell gave the UN on reasons to invade Iraq? Everything he said was wrong. It was horrible and discredited both him and the United States. That is what a bad stint at State looks like.

Posted by: phx8 at July 17, 2014 5:31 PM
Comment #380890

phx8, I waded through your link on Ms. Clinton. Lots of travel, lots of talk, not much positive change in the world to show for it. From your link:

“While Clinton’s tenure as Secretary of State has generally been praised, observers have noted that there was no signature diplomatic breakthrough during it nor any transformative domination of major issues in the nature of Dean Acheson, George Marshall, or Henry Kissinger. The intractable issues when she entered office, such as Iran, Pakistan, Arab-Israeli relations, and North Korea, were still that way when she left.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 17, 2014 6:25 PM
Comment #380891

That’s what America is supposed to be like now, mediocre. We’re not supposed to be exceptional and when we do do things they’re always bad.

That’s what we’re being told, anyway.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2014 6:58 PM
Comment #380893

“That is what effective government looks like though… unexciting.”


This appears to be a consistent critique of the Clinton tenure as Secretary of State and of the Obama administration in general. Just no shock and awe. Well, in my opinion, thank God.

Posted by: Rich at July 17, 2014 7:51 PM
Comment #380903

Please explain to me why we are exceptional and others are not. Is any other country exceptional? For example, some countries banned slavery long before the United States. We enshrined slavery in our Constitution, and it took almost 100 years and a Civil War to end the institution. So! We did the right thing. Eventually. Does this mean other countries are more exceptional than us? Or maybe being exceptional is a process, where we started out as unexceptional, and worked our way up to becoming exceptional by freeing slaves, letting women vote, and so on. Perhaps we live in a world like Lake Woebegone, where all the children are above-average, and all the countries are exceptional. I would like for that to be true.

There are certainly reasons for us to pat ourselves on the back, for things like being the good guys in WWII. We faced down the USSR and promoted democracy. That would qualify. Then again, we engaged in colonialism in the Philippines and elsewhere, overthrew the democratically elected of Iran in 1954, and unleashed chaos in Iraq when we invaded under false pretenses, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

We are the wealthiest country in the world. That is exceptional. But most of the wealth is concentrated among a small number, and by some measures, other countries are wealthier. The same situation applies to technological prowess. Hmmm.

May we are 75% exceptional. Or exceptional lite. Or exceptional when we do the right thing, or pursue high ideals.

But what happens if we proclaim we are justified in doing something because we are exceptional, and later it turns out to be wrong? Can a country only be exceptional in hindsight?

Posted by: phx8 at July 18, 2014 11:19 AM
Comment #380904

That is your definition of conservatism, there are many definitions and nuances to any definition of a political ideology. You keep wanting someone to tell you definitively what liberalism is but if they were to try it would be their definition of liberalism and I dare say there would be many others. If you are truly looking to understand liberalism you would do better to try to do that through your own resources rather than demanding someone explain to you what their version is.

The United States of America is not liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, independent, racist, bigoted, accepting, tolerant, christian, muslim, buddhist, taoist, atheist or secular. It is all of that and much, much more. E pluribus unum, out of many one.

I consider it an honor and privilege to pay taxes. If there are those among us that do not pay taxes I pity them whether they are capable or not of doing so is not my concern. I have always considered myself fortunate to be able to pay taxes and will continue to do so. I am glad I can feel that way and feel sorry for anyone who cannot.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 18, 2014 2:34 PM
Comment #380905

Sorry wrong thread, I’ll re-post to the one below.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 18, 2014 2:38 PM
Comment #380911

Our government is not exceptional. Our people are, most of them. I don’t see those on the southern border stopping in Mexico with hope of a better life. Do you wonder why? Do you say to yourself, “Why aren’t they staying home? Isn’t their country as exceptional as ours?” Is that what you say to yourself, phx8?

Maybe being exceptional is a process. William Bradford started out thinking everyone should share the production equally. It was only when half of the settlers starved to death did he realize working for one’s self and keeping what they produced to barter and trade worked better for them and a productive and permanent settlement thrived.

Were it not for the accomodation of slavery the U.S. would be balkanized now. The colonies would all have gone their separate ways and European powers would have kept the them apart. In this case the end justified the means. The civil war could have been avoided if the Democratic Party wouldn’t have insisted on compromise to extend the practice of slavery.

Why didn’t France kick Germany back into it’s place? Weren’t they prepared to do so? Weren’t they exceptional enough? Were we prepared to do so when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor? No, we weren’t. It was our exceptional ability to convert to and produce wartime materials that saved England, prepared for the invasion of Europe, and defeated the largest economic power and the greatest army in the world.

The reason you have to ask why this country is exceptional is because our children, for a number of generations, have been taught we are not exceptional, that we have to settle for being normal and mediocre, we have to all be the same to be equal. You state in your comment why the U.S. is exceptional yet you insist we are not. That is simply denial. You deny our exceptionalism to make room for your political philosophy. Your political philosophy is what is destroying our exceptionalism. Having to ask the question proves it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 18, 2014 4:36 PM
Comment #380912

phx8 asks Weary…”Please explain to me why we (The United States) are exceptional…?

I hope Weary Willie doesn’t mind me answering this question also.

My elementary and secondary education included excellent instruction in American history. Later, in University, I studied more American history. From my instruction and self study I have considered the United States an exception nation. Exceptional meaning to me: Not usual, unusually good, and much better than average. Following is an excerpt that sums up quite well what my belief about American exceptionalism includes.

“America is an exceptional nation, but not because of what it has achieved or accomplished. America is exceptional because, unlike any other nation, it is dedicated to the principles of human liberty, grounded on the truths that all men are created equal and endowed with equal rights. These permanent truths are “applicable to all men and all times,” as Abraham Lincoln once said.

America’s principles have created a prosperous and just nation unlike any other nation in history. They explain why Americans strongly defend their country, look fondly to their nation’s origins, vigilantly assert their political rights and civic responsibilities, and remain convinced of the special meaning of their country and its role of the world. It is because of its principles, not despite them, that America has achieved greatness.

To this day, so many years after the American Revolution, these principles—proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence and promulgated by the United States Constitution—still define America as a nation and a people. Which is why friends of freedom the world over look to the United States not only as an ally against tyrants and despots but also as a powerful beacon to all those who strive to be free.”

Matthew Spalding, Ph.D., Director of the B. Kenneth Simon Center for American Studies at The Heritage Foundation.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 18, 2014 5:00 PM
Comment #380916

Well, I see the country as a work in progress. We have fine ideals and they are worth promoting and defending. As the most powerful country in the world, we have the responsibilities that come along with the position. In general, I think it is fair to say we have done well by ourselves and humanity, and still have a lot more to do.

Still, I resist the idea that we are exceptional. As a country, we have done some horrendous things in the past. It took a long time to address injustices and the deprival of rights among blacks & other minorities, American Indians, and women- a majority of our population. Even today, we do things that are wrong, usually because we forget our ideals in times of difficulty. A good example would be when we tortured prisoners in the War on Terror. Torture is antithetical to what we are all about. We can’t claim to be exceptional and then torture people. Another example would be capital punishment. It’s wrong. Civilized and exceptional countries do not execute prisoners. Most have already banned it. We still do it, and if you look around at the other countries that continue to kill prisoners, it is not a pretty company to keep.

Posted by: phx8 at July 18, 2014 6:57 PM
Comment #380918

“Another example would be capital punishment. It’s wrong.”

It is not prohibited by our constitution, bill of rights, or by Judeo/Christian and other major religions. It is obviously wrong by your moral code, but we have historically higher moral codes than yours that apply.

I do agree with the first paragraph you wrote phx8.

I consider the use of torture to be an extreme example of self-defense. Despicable, but necessary under certain rare occasions. If torture saved a million or more lives would that be immoral? After all, I do hear folks on WB speak of the value of saving a single life by extreme measures.

I often read on WB the fact that slavery was not banned in our founding documents. We finally ended the practice at the cost of hundreds of thousands lives. Was that morally wrong?

I suggest we ask any black person with slave ancestors if they would prefer that their ancestors had not been brought here at all.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 18, 2014 7:29 PM
Comment #380920

Buddhism is a major religion, and it does not condone capital punishment.

Most countries do not practice it.

The countries which do are basically in the Middle East and northern Africa, along with China. While the practice may be constitutional and consistent with Judeo/Christian & Islamic principles, it is nevertheless barbaric.

I am not sympathetic to guilty people who receive the death sentence. Usually capital punishment involves terrible violent crimes. The criminals deserve far worse than they will ever get. Nevertheless, that does not make it right for our government to execute people who are already incarcerated and helpless. Killing killers using the legal system is wrong.

In any case, it is very hard to say in one breath that we are exceptional, and in the next, promote the practice of capital punishment.

The problem with the issue of torture is that once the door is opened to a little torture, a whole lot of torture comes in. If it is ok to torture someone in order to save millions, what about saving thousands? Ten? One? What about torturing a perpetrator if the situation involves serial rape? Just one rape? Or what about child molestation?

Being exceptional and setting the example for the rest of the world is a very high bar. It is worth trying to be up to that standard. But it is not easy, and we still have work to do.

Posted by: phx8 at July 18, 2014 8:27 PM
Comment #380921

phx8, a hypothetical:

The busload of children comes up missing. The bus driver turns himself in and says he buried the bus and in 2 hours it will be filled with water and the children will drown because he wanted the parents to suffer.

What would you do?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 18, 2014 9:02 PM
Comment #380978

Depends. If I were representing the law or the government, then I would keep within the confines of the law. If I were acting as an individual with no other recourse, then my actions would be based on emotions like rage, and all bets would be off.

Posted by: phx8 at July 19, 2014 1:57 AM
Comment #380981


“Still, I resist the idea that we are exceptional. As a country, we have done some horrendous things in the past.”

Posted by: dbs at July 19, 2014 9:29 AM
Comment #380984

What would you expect of your local police force, phx8. Don’t vasilate around the question. Would you expect your paid police to share coffee with the bus driver while politely asking him for the information? After all you have no access to him because he is in jail.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 19, 2014 10:51 AM
Comment #380985

Hillary has a lot of reasons not to run. Lots of good words for George Bush!

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 19, 2014 11:19 AM
Comment #380992

Well! That is quite a link you provided! I didn’t know Dinesh D’Souza was writing articles anymore after his conviction:

“In January 2014, D’Souza was indicted on charges of making illegal political contributions to a 2012 United States Senate campaign.[12] On May 20, 2014, D’Souza pleaded guilty in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York to a charge of using “straw donors” to make illegal political campaign donations. The charge carries a sentence of 10 to 16 months according to the plea agreement reached between D’Souza and federal prosecutors.”

So Dinesh- a convicted crook- writes an article about theft. Well, when it comes to committing criminal acts, always best to go to an expert.

And that list of FOX contributors is a veritable murderers row of liars, crooks, and utterly disgraced people.

Judith Miller! OMG! Do you know who she is? She used to work for the NYT. The Office of the Vice President fed her fake stories about Iraqi weapons programs. She printed these without identifying the source, as if she were practicing journalism. Cheney then went on talk shows and quoted her articles- articles provided by HIS office- as independent research providing reasons to go to war.

And Karl Rove! He is still employed? Wow! That. Is. Amazing. I thought FOX fired him after the 2012 election. Remember that? Remember Megyn Kelly and “Republican Math”? Nice. But Wait! There more! It gets even worse. Rove ran a Super-PAC controlling hundreds of millions of dollars. Almost everyone one of the candidates he supported with money lost. I mean, we’re talking single digits for the number of winners he funded.

Posted by: phx8 at July 19, 2014 3:49 PM
Comment #380993


Always easier to deflect by engaging in character assassination, than to address the issue. Paint your opponent as a villain and maybe no one will notice your lack substance.

Posted by: dbs at July 19, 2014 7:57 PM
Comment #380994

Are you suggesting anything I said is false? I stated the facts. That is not “character assassination.” There was no need to “paint” any of those people as “villains.” They managed to do that on their own.

Dinesh D’Souza is a third-rate hack who condemns Obama for being an ‘anti-colonialist,’ as if being in favor of colonialism is somehow a good thing. He pretends to have some sort of moral standing that allows him to tar all progressives and Obama with a broad brush, yet he is the convicted felon.

Look at his essay. In the first third, he recounts some failings of the US which will immediately occur to anyone in any discussion about exceptionalism.

He then dismisses those failings with the argument that ‘everyone does it.’ Not my idea of exceptionalism, dbs, pretending it is ok to do bad things because other people do bad things too.

D’Souza says “From the beginning, the American founding represented an alternative to the conquest ethic.” That is completely false. Do you need for me to spell out what happened to American Indians, or the origin of the war with Mexico in 1848, or US entry into the Great Game of colonialism in 1898?

The following attempt to sidestep the history of slavery is sophomoric, and that is putting it kindly.

Obama is a great American president, and conservatives can thank their lucky stars that liberals and Obama saved this country from another Great Depression.

Posted by: phx8 at July 19, 2014 9:40 PM
Comment #380996

It’s amazing how only conservatives get remembered for breaking the law. If Dinesh D’Souza was a Democratic and his name was, say, Bill Clinton, well then he could have gotten away with stuff like perjury, sexual harassment, rape, accepting political contributions from foreign nations, friends committing suicide and other friends going to jail to protect him, excetella excetella excetella…

But he’s not. Sigh…

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 19, 2014 11:49 PM
Comment #380998

Did you miss this comment, phx8?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 20, 2014 12:26 AM
Comment #381000


“Obama is a great American president”

Yes this is why our enemies no longer fear us. Because of your “great American president” we are no longer feared by our enemies and our allies can no longer count on us to be there for them. The world is now a far more dangerous place. Obama is without a doubt the most incompetent man to ever live in the white house.

“and conservatives can thank their lucky stars that liberals and Obama saved this country from another Great Depression.”

The economy has recovered (some what) despite Obama and liberal policies. The heavy hand of his EPA, NLRB, and his refusal to support development of our own natural resources has held us back. All in the name of junk climate change science, and his socialist agenda. Yes what a great man. LOL !

Posted by: dbs at July 20, 2014 9:15 AM
Comment #381003

Name an “enemy” who used to fear us, but no longer does.
Name an ally who feels they can no longer count on us.

Obama refused to support development of natural resources? Really? We have become energy independent thanks to the policies of the Obama administration. What natural resources are you referring to?

Posted by: phx8 at July 20, 2014 2:26 PM
Comment #381005


Islamic radicals, you name the group, Israel. As far as the last comment, sorry but again I call bulls#!t.

Posted by: dbs at July 20, 2014 3:10 PM
Comment #381007

Islamic radicals? You must be kidding. They launched multiple terrorist attacks against us, including an attack on the World Trade Center in 1995, and an even worse one on 9/11. They weren’t afraid of us then. The top leader of those attacks, Osama bin Laden, might not have been afraid of Clinton or Bush #41, but thanks to the decision by Obama to go into Pakistan and take him out, Osama bin Laden is no longer afraid of Obama, because Osama bin Laden is dead. Our soldiers blew the top of his head off and threw his body in the drink.

Khaddafi is dead.

The leader of the attack in Benghazi is in US custody.

The relationship between Israel and the US is not much different from what it has been since Carter.

Ever notice how we see all that video in the MSM of Hamas firing rockets into Israel, and Israeli citizens fleeing for shelters, but we never see Israeli soldiers gunning down civilians by the score? Americans are totally brainwashed when it comes to Israel and Palestine. AIPAC owns way too many legislators.

Posted by: phx8 at July 20, 2014 5:04 PM
Comment #381008


Keep grasping at straws. Your boy king is a failure.

Posted by: d at July 20, 2014 6:07 PM
Comment #381009


“Osama bin Laden is no longer afraid of Obama, because Osama bin Laden is dead. Our soldiers blew the top of his head off and threw his body in the drink.”

Where’s the proof ? Oh that’s right we’re not allowed to see the evidence. Buried at sea in the middle of the night. Nothing suspicious about that.

Posted by: dbs at July 20, 2014 6:44 PM
Comment #381010

Hoo boy. OK. Please entertain us with your conspiracy theory about what happened to Osama bin Laden. No need to address the facts and specific examples I provided. Just keep throwing out vague assertions, impossible to quantify ‘feelings’ about the president and our standing in the world, and hints of conspiracy when the facts become impossible to ignore.

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Posted by: haokeai at July 21, 2014 2:08 AM
Comment #381305


“Please entertain us with your conspiracy theory about what happened to Osama bin Laden.”

Osama Bin Laden hadn’t been seen or heard from since we bombed Tora Bora. Think about it, the man who made a career of sticking his finger in the eye of America every chance he had. For roughly 10 years he just disappeared not heard from or seen ? That is except for a couple of tape recordings that may or may not have been him ?

Fast forward and out of the blue we find him and kill him in the middle of the night and bury him at sea, and no evidence is ever released ? Until I see concrete proof it is and will be my opinion he was already dead, and the raid was a political op for the administration. Nothing more than a calculated risk, believing he was almost surely dead and no one would ever know the difference. Enjoy !

Posted by: dbs at July 21, 2014 5:18 PM
Comment #381306

So Osama’s widows are in on the conspiracy? The doctor imprisoned by the Pakistanis for helping the US find Osama? The Pakistanis too? What about Osama’s family in Saudi? The American soldiers who participated in the raid and those on the ship, they are also in on the conspiracy? The pictures, the DNA tests, all faked? The bodies of the couriers in the compound were actually who, now? Oh, and nice touch, leaving a destroyed American helicopter in the compound.

It would require hundreds of people to participate in such a conspiracy, including many die-hard enemies of the United States.

Go check with President Romney and see what he thinks. But watch out for the FEMA re-education camps Obama set up after his first election! They pipe directly into the Obamacare death panels!

Posted by: phx8 at July 21, 2014 6:42 PM
Comment #381308


“The pictures”

Haven’t seen the pictures. Where are they.

Posted by: dbs at July 22, 2014 5:19 AM
Comment #381312

US Intelligence members and the House & Senate Intelligence Committees have seen the pictures. Oh wait. Those Democrats and Republicans are in on the conspiracy too. Darn. Forgot about that. Do you think the White House will off all the Navy Seals who participated just to make sure no one from that unit talks? Hate to see us lose a couple dozen soldiers, but with a conspiracy this large, one cannot be too careful.

Posted by: phx8 at July 22, 2014 9:54 AM
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