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Compelling Reasons For A New 3rd Party

Midterms coming up in a couple of months. An opportune time to post some compelling reasons for a new 3rd party w/a/dif/pol/att …

Let's start with the one positive issue - - a group, 'Mayday PAC', has collected some $12M in a concerted effort to reduce the effect of money in politics. Mayday Pac wants to put CF Reformers in office in five House seats across the country. One has to wonder where they will find such candidates and are there any Indies out there to support this 'un-american' activity. Wouldn't it be nice if they would proclaim themselves and new 3rd party and really go for it?

And, we learn that congress has put a 'little loophole' in the ACA to the effect that they will be reimbursed for any insurance costs above what they are currently paying.

And, we learn that congressional ethics committee has decided to let stand a ruling that requires financial disclosure of travel/trips taken by the congressperson and fellow travelers paid for by corporate entities. Hue and outcry from the public was, in this case, sufficient to send members scurrying to throw dirt over this one.

Over the 4th Chicago saw 14 killed and some 60 wounded. Keep them scared, jobless and uneducated and you can keep them subservient to big corpocracy for eons, IMO.

Pot goes legal in a couple of states this week. Corpocracy never ceases in seeking to secure the almighty dollar. So much so that they will instigate child trafficking across borders and refuse to enforce immigration law that would impede illegal migration across the southern border. Too much money to be made through the drug trade, trafficking of people, and so on - - - provides cheap labor and serves to keep labor costs dirt cheap. And, with tens of millions on entitlements it does help to keep a big chunk of the population subservient to big corpocracy.

Painful to a 3rd party wannabe that billions of good ole tax payer dollars have been shipped southward to support the so called 'drug wars' and 'anti-trafficking' programs over the last 50 years or so. The President says he needs $2B, in taxpayer dollars, to buy off the Latin American Corpocracy. ""Under anti-human-trafficking laws signed by President George W. Bush in 2008, unaccompanied minors from non-contiguous countries are afforded greater legal protections than those who arrive illegally from Mexico or Canada. They are usually placed in the care of relatives, but many do not show up for their court hearings, which are routinely delayed for more than a year because of backlogs, officials said.""

I view it as bribery and corruption to send taxpayer dollars south to drug dealer corpocrats to 'entice' them to stop sending drugs/people our way. At the same time these corpocrats are getting a cut on some $250k daily from trafficking fees alone.

In wrapping up, there is this guy, Maliki, who has been kicking sand in our face for some time now. I've read several articles as to why the corpocracy continues to support him. A number of reasons given but none has suggested that it's big oil, big contracts that might be put in jeopardy if Maliki is removed.

I suppose one really shouldn't object since 'It's Strictly Business' as usual.

Otherwise - - -

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Posted by: sfutryr at July 9, 2014 12:31 AM
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Senator Ted Poe offered a good analogy for the $3.7B proposal. Likens the problem to a sinking ship with a hole in it. But, instead of patching the hole the plan is to keep bailing water.

I tend to agree with him in that the $B’s may be used to purchase shiny new drones that will be used to find culprits crossing over and then drop MRE’s and similar aid ‘entitlements’ to assist in their struggle.

In reality,IMO, this manmade ‘crisis’ is a last ditch attempt for the corpocracy to get some kind of immigration reform policy thru congress before Obama’s time is up. A grand attempt but doubtful it can be accomplished. More likely that that immigration will be taken up in 2016-2018.

That will give us some 50 years of open borders as we know it. Meanwhile, those ‘10 million illegals’ we have been talking about since 1990, surely the figure must be something closer to 20M by now.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at July 9, 2014 10:32 AM
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What do you say to a new third right-leaning party coming in? The righties now aren’t doing their job well enough? What needs to be dealt with is in foreign affairs and the new third in near purely domestic.

We are losing Iraq amongst the whole region, what is a third party going to do? It’s all more than domestic policy folks, it goes into international affairs. We could, and probably are, losing all footing in the Iraq region. Would a third party be better at this? The left is dropping the ball (or taking a nap as accused), the right can’t get anything through. A third does what in this field? More domestic policy? We have domestic policy we need international policy on terror. Dare I say the word “terror” but we are in a war on terror, right?

Will a new third get us back in the game? Prob’ly not, so it’s just a domestic policy that we gain—we have that. Have a plan on international affairs—stick to your guns.

We need a new president and that’s just the game. This president isn’t getting the picture of what we are doing there, as most libbies don’t. We are conquering deathsquads and terror experts and people so deadly we can’t even look at them face to face. We kill the oppression the world over and a liberal isn’t going to get it.

My party is failing the grade on this and it’s time for a new president who gets what we are doing over there. It calls for more intellectuals in the field and not just domestic policy wonks.

Be something more and you’ll get my vote.

Posted by: simpleheaded at July 9, 2014 1:05 PM
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Musings re the Corpocracy. I can recall when the Corpocrats used aliases, kept schedules and travel plans secret and so on to keep their effort to fast track the NAU from public purview. Or, when Bush wanted to import 40K nurses from the PI to fill the so called 46k nursing shortage in the country. This while univ’s were turning down some thousands of US nursing applicants yearly for lack of student slots.

Stack up all the words corpocrats have output on job creation against job programs initiated since 2007. Today, there are some rumblings about crumbling infrastructure but, alas, there doesn’t seem to be any money in the coffers.

Think about how smooth gov’t do nothing policy on immigration has worked for the demrep corpocracy over the last 50 years or so. Millions picking avocados, millions on the SS and entitlement rolls while policy has remained basically unchanged since prior to the Regan era.

Several gov’t agencies seem broken; IRS losing emails, VA working for bonuses. I recall when Bush put Czars in charge of each agency and wouldn’t allow the agency head to talk to the media.

The President’s ratings are low and he still has another 1 ½ to advance the corpocracy. Bush had similar stats at about the same point in his tenure.

Simple, I tend to believe it’s something way more than domestic or international issues. Just another 3rd party would be kinda like pissing up a downspout, IMO. I think that, over some 200 or so years the corpocracy has roped and doped the gov’t to a point where it only serves corpocracy.

Just think back to the Founding where there were no political parties to today, where no bill can find the light of day without the approval of 4 or 5 committee chairpersons. Over time corpocracy has rebuilt the thing from the inside out.

I believe that a new 3rd party should be designed and formed in some rules that work to thwart the money influence. Put social and foreign policy issues on the back burner and appeal to the voters to work to abolish corporate personhood law and implement real campaign finance reform.

Otherwise, there simply is no way to win against the corpocracy. The last thing we need is just another 3rd party pushing on gays, guns and N. Korea while using corporate dollars to ensure the voters heads remain stuck in the sand, etc.

Otherwise, we have the corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: roy ellis at July 9, 2014 9:47 PM
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Roy Ellis,

“Put social and foreign policy on the back burner and appeal to the voters to work to abolish corporate personhood law and implemement real campaign finance reform.”

Don’t we have that now? What’s a third party’s position on the war on ‘terror’? Do they have one? Granted there is corruption in campaign finance at times—but it can’t be all domestic policy for a third party—can it?

I personally don’t think there is anything wrong with a CEO contributing to a campaign or the president of a company giving money to a party for whatever reason. If the left were to get that we wouldn’t chagrin it, so too the right has the right to recieve such contributions no matter how much is on the collection plate. There’s no guarantee they’ll win the election anyway. The third rail is just angry they don’t get those kinds of contributions and it doesn’t always mean it obscures the platform. They, the donors, agree with some part of the platform so they donate—it’s just that simple.

Let corruption reign free, it’s better this way. Let the whole system destroy itself as SCOTUS would have it. We are better off when they are dealing with big corporature agendas and off of our butts where they can do real damage. Let the two parties deal with corporate issues and agendas, I don’t want them ‘cooling’ out with us.

But what I’m saying is what is the foreign policy of a third party, that’s where the rubber meets the road. If it has no foreign policy what’s the point in voting for it. We are in a hen’s nest of problems throughout the world—have an agenda there and I’ll vote for you…but let corruption reign free, let money sway agendas and leave the parties swirling to meet with the corporate dollar’s demands.

My think is that both parties are so stupid and locally minded they could do irreversible damage to our system. “Obamacare” was nothing compared to what these two parties are capable of. What’s that old joke about a one car funeral and the whole party getting lost? The republicans and the democrats could actually do irreversible harm to our nation should they deal with our issues as a whole. Let ‘em stay corrupt, it’s better that way. We don’t want a ‘cool’ nationhood. let it all be full of sh**.

Posted by: simpleheaded at July 10, 2014 10:34 AM
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Your thinking seems to be mainstream, Simple. But, just another 3rd party could not achieve any significant reform, IMO.

A significant event coming up in Oct, Simple. The Fed will cease quantitative easying. Should be an interesting period.

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