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The GOP Leadership and Covered Wagons

House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy now appears the shoo-in for House Majority Leader. Pete Sessions has dropped out and Jeb Hensarling made his last no-thank-you on Thursday. The GOP leadership is circling the wagons. Mike Simpson R-Idaho told the Washington Examiner that “several months before a general election, I don’t think we need a shakeup of our leadership team.” It’s hard to know how to react to such a statement; does the first House Majority leader defeated in a primary really not qualify as a shakeup in Rep Simpson’s view? Or is it merely a case of keeping the appearance of calm while they the leadership try to understand what happened in Virginia? Simpson does know that his fellow Republican Representative from Idaho, Raul Labrador, who has Tea Party support, has now entered the race for House Majority Leader? The conservative wing of the GOP couldn’t convince Hensarling and they have now turned to Labrador, a former immigration lawyer but one who puts border security first and then adjustments to legal immigration as a later step in the process.

So the anger is very much still there, but apparently the leadership needs to look at a lot of surveys and focus group results to help them decide what to do next. Mike Simpson himself is as much a pragmatist as he is a conservative and is willing to build consensus on some issues and find common ground. The problem is, to build consensus you have to acknowledge what the other side is saying. And the other problem for Simpson and the GOP leadership is which other side? Do you work with Democratic opponents to try and pass some version of immigration reform, or do you first listen to your fellow Republicans, and the voters they represent, whether Tea Party or not, and build a position that you can take into the next elections? Events in Virginia and Texas, and elsewhere, suggest the latter.

Posted by AllardK at June 17, 2014 6:26 PM
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Comment #379610

The Idaho GOP convention was a complete, total, and utter disaster. Nor sure? Much as I dislike linking the Mooney newspaper, here is the version presented by a conservative source:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/14/infighting-stalls-final-day-of-gop-convention/

The Tea Party leader of the convention, Labrador, failed. This was an epic fail in leadership. It doesn’t get worse. The convention adjourned with agreeing even one plank of a party platform. Not one. Read the article. It was a failure on a scale we just don’t often see.

Usually, the idea in politics is to achieve something- anything- through power. Achieving power involves control. And failure to exert any control means nothing gets accomplished.

The Tea Party, conservatism, and the establishment GOP have forgotten the basic purpose of their political existence. They have become obsessed with opposition to Obama and Democrats on any and everything while standing for nothing. It is so bad, they actually disapproved when Obama obtained the return of the only American POW from Afghanistan! Their news media will not even report on the capture of the head of the militia that attacked our consulate in Benghazi! It is unbelievable. But this is what is has come to, and the disaster in Idaho is a good example of just how low conservatives have sunk.

The demographic lesson from the 2012 election was clear. Somehow, conservatives & the GOP/Tea Party need to appeal to either Blacks, Women, Gays, or Hispanics. If they do not, simple demographics will give the Democrats an additional 1.5% advantage in the 2016 general election. Given the presence of Obama, Hillary Clinton, and the GOP antipathy towards gays, the only group left that could be reasonably approached would seem to be Hispanics.

Yet conservatives insist on making border security the first priority, in order to keep ‘them’ out.

Do you guys really think Hispanics do not notice? Do you really think they don’t get the message? And what do you think will happen when the 70% + Hispanic voting for Democrats increases to 80%?

Posted by: phx8 at June 18, 2014 1:45 PM
Comment #379615

LOL…I do believe that phx8 would vote to invite demons from hell into the US if he perceived that they would vote Dem/Lib.

It is difficult to imagine a political party advocating that their leader and the AG ignore our laws regarding protecting our borders. The liberals see votes and could care less about our laws and the safety and protection of our citizens.

He slipped this in…” It is so bad, they actually disapproved when Obama obtained the return of the only American POW from Afghanistan!”

LOL…if obama does it, who can disagree? Well, as of the latest NBC poll, 54% of Americans and rising quickly. This president is all done. He’s a has-been with a dismal record. He should go all the way on put on the clown face and suit.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 18, 2014 4:52 PM
Comment #379620

The problem with illegal immigrants will have to be resolved at some point. Personally, I believe in an Open Door policy- the more new Americans, the merrier. Most people do not agree with that, and I understand; nevertheless, something is clearly wrong with our laws when people want to come to this country for opportunity, and are denied the chance to become citizens. We need to change the law. These people will make terrific citizens and terrific additions to the American legend. They are a big part of our future, and it is a bright one.

As for the GOP and conservatives:
The Republican National Committee 2012 election post-mortem identified immigration reform as the most promising way to make the party more competitive in national elections.

You are welcome to adhere to outdated, wrong laws, and turn your back on Hispanics because they came to this country illegally. But there are a lot of Hispanics in this country, legal and illegal, and they see you turn your back, and insist on observing bad law, rather than reforming it with good law. If the GOP & Tea Party & conservatives wish to turn their back on this minority, so be it. They will earn the consequences.

The consequences are not hard to predict. The result will be a debacle for the GOP, typified by the recent Idaho GOP convention we just saw; and have no doubt, that was an absolute DEBACLE- but next time, the debacle will take place on the national stage.

Posted by: phx8 at June 18, 2014 7:49 PM
Comment #379634
Yet conservatives insist on making border security the first priority, in order to keep ‘them’ out.


And what do you think will happen when the 70% + Hispanic voting for Democrats increases to 80%?

That cinches it, illegals are voting. It doesn’t surprise me when they don’t need an ID to get into the polling booth.

Posted by: Weary Willie at June 19, 2014 10:53 AM
Comment #379636

No, WW, they are not voting. In-person voting fraud is extremely rare, mainly because the penalties are so stiff.

No one wants to discuss the breakdown of the Idaho GOP convention and what it means for national politics? Fine. No one wants to address the GOP plan for winning national elections? Seems to me that punting on the Hispanic vote is a very bad idea.

Why would anyone think making illegal immigrants who want to be in America into citizens is a bad idea? The country is built on immigration and we need more people. The birth rate is falling and immigration is a great solution. It is a way of re-invigorating the American experiment.

Posted by: phx8 at June 19, 2014 11:02 AM
Comment #379644

The catch word phx8 is ILLEGAL, Legal immigration is fine, no problem. It’s the ILLEGAL immigration that posses a problem.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 19, 2014 11:23 AM
Comment #379646

phx8, some don’t agree with open borders. Should they just throw in the towel and go with the ‘majority’ vote? Should we all vote for ‘more stuff’ because we can? What’s in our future if we vote like that?

Otherwise = = =

Posted by: roy ellis at June 19, 2014 11:29 AM
Comment #379668

The birth rate is falling and immigration is a great solution. It is a way of re-invigorating the American experiment.
Posted by: phx8 at June 19, 2014 11:02 AM

Legal immigration is great for America. As a nation operating under law, we must actively choose who we allow into this country. Why is that a bad idea?

Why is it a good idea to open our borders to all who wish to come?

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 19, 2014 5:53 PM
Comment #379674

That happens to be the belief we’ve lived, and flourished under, for generations, Flushed ! The birth rate is dropping and we are fast becoming a nation of immigrants…..again, and still !!! Get over yourself.

Posted by: jane doe at June 20, 2014 12:11 AM
Comment #379680

“The country is built on immigration and we need more people.”

The current US birth rates are not high enough to maintain the size of the U.S. population, according to The Economist.

Posted by: Rich at June 20, 2014 6:32 AM
Comment #379681

Phx8,

Since Reagan our conservative friends have told us the government is to blame for everything. Government is bad. They tell us they want “small” government. It seems this example in Idaho is just another in a long list of proving themselves correct. The problem is they don’t seem to understand they are the bad government they warn us about.

Unable to agree, even amongst themselves, they crash and burn as the talk radio conservatives set the tone for the GOP. IMHO the Idaho GOP doesn’t need a party leader when they have the leadership of the national talk radio propagandist.

Posted by: j2t2 at June 20, 2014 8:07 AM
Comment #379684

Jane, Rich, j2t2, Conservatives are all for LEGAL repeat LEGAL immigration. It’s the ILLEGAL repeat ILLEGAL immigration we have a problem with.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 20, 2014 11:02 AM
Comment #379686

Rich K, I don’t think they get it. Thanks for trying.

Welcome back Jane…we have missed you and your cogent logic and penetrating political assessment.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 20, 2014 11:27 AM
Comment #379706

That happens to be the belief we’ve lived, and flourished under, for generations, Flushed ! The birth rate is dropping and we are fast becoming a nation of immigrants…..again, and still !!! Get over yourself.
Posted by: jane doe at June 20, 2014 12:11 AM

OH, NO, bad news for jane. Even her leader disagrees with her statement.

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration plans to “surge” its immigration enforcement, open facilities to detain families and provide additional support to Central American governments in response to a massive increase of unaccompanied minors and others crossing the border, officials announced on Friday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/20/obama-administration-border_n_5515519.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 20, 2014 6:40 PM
Comment #379738
Jane, Rich, j2t2, Conservatives are all for LEGAL repeat LEGAL immigration. It’s the ILLEGAL repeat ILLEGAL immigration we have a problem with.

KAP, where is the legislation that reforms immigration? Seems the HoR has been remiss in sending any bills that would suggest your comment is an accurate reflection of the facts.

I also wonder if you remember when the conservative deity Reagan opened the amnesty flood gates back in the 80’s making amnesty the SOP. It’s little wonder the border is being swarmed with Central Americans looking to get a foot in the door, whilst creating a big problem for themselves and the border patrol.

Posted by: j2t2 at June 22, 2014 10:32 AM
Comment #379755

It’s funny you should bring up Reagan, j2t2. Well, not funny, it’s pathetic actually, your attempt to portray Reagan as the bad guy for our current situation.

Pathetic because it was Democratics who reniged on their promise to secure the border, implement an employer verification program, and guarantee amnesty would never be needed again. Democratics, true to their nature, lied and did none of the above. They got their amnesty but failed to carry through on their promises.

They did the same concerning the tax increases you attribute to Reagan. He was promised $3 in spending cuts to $1 in tax increases. Democratics got the tax increases and reniged on the spending cuts.

Why would anyone fall for the same thing again? Democratics have a proven track record of lying to get what they want. Republicans would be as stupid as you think they are to go along with this again.

Posted by: Weary Willie at June 22, 2014 11:50 AM
Comment #379763

You’re right Willie

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 22, 2014 4:36 PM
Comment #379766

j2, anything the HoR would send to the Senate Harry would table it, so what’s the use!!!

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 22, 2014 5:45 PM
Comment #379767

Ahh Weary, a myth repeated so many times conservatives really believe it, well the truth is the deal you speak of was between Reagan and his speechwriters, not the Dems.


Oh I know what about the other myth, well more of the same. Conservatives like to revise history to fit their continued swing into far right extremism, but the facts according to repub Allan Simpson and Reagan speechwriter Peter Robinson tells us a different story…

“But Simpson, a fellow Republican who served in the Senate with McConnell from 1986 to 1997, says calling for tighter borders is a tried-and-true tactic of politicians unwilling to confront the realities of a growing illegal population.”

“Robinson says Reagan’s own diaries show the president found the idea of a militantly staffed border fence difficult to take. In a private meeting with then-President Jose Lopez Portillo of Mexico in 1979, Reagan wrote that he hoped to discuss how the United States and Mexico could make the border “something other than the location for a fence.”“

Read it here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128303672

So yes why would anyone fall for the same tired old myths, misinformation half truths and outright lies from the far right extremist conservative movement leaders Weary?

Posted by: j2t2 at June 22, 2014 5:51 PM
Comment #379769
j2, anything the HoR would send to the Senate Harry would table it, so what’s the use!!!


Using Harry Reid as the reason for not doing anything tells us they need to get serious about working for the American people. Kinda funny how conservatives like to blame Obama for lack of leadership yet they resort to blaming Reid for the HoR not doing anything. Time for our elected representatives to grow up, lose the foolish extremist ideology of the tea party and compromise. If only they didn’t have so much noise from the talk radio conservatives demanding such extremist legislation. Having to plead for votes from the TRC’s doesn’t allow them much room to compromise does it?

Posted by: j2t2 at June 22, 2014 8:41 PM
Comment #379770

Yep it sure is time for the DC idiots to grow up j2. Ole Harry worried about the name of a football team rather than the VA, Iraq, the economy and so on and so on. If he would let a vote or even a debate on some of the bills that have been sent up from the HoR such as dozens of jobs bills then maybe you would have an argument j2.

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