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Agence France Presse reports Rostec, a Russian state corporation established to produce hi-tech industrial products, has captured a U.S. surveillance drone being flown over Crimea, Ukraine.









"The drone was flying at about 4,000 metres (12,000 feet) and was virtually invisible from the ground. It was possible to break the link with US operators with complex radio-electronic technology"
"almost intact into the hands of self-defence forces"
"Judging by its identification number, UAV MQ-5B belonged to the 66th American Reconnaissance Brigade, based in Bavaria,"

U.S. Denies Russia Captured US Drone over Crimea and the Pentagon says there is "zero truth" to the report.

The MQ-5B Hunter is a variant of the RQ-5, originally an Israeli design. Its maker, Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE:NOC), describes it as a "long-endurance, medium-altitude, multimission, tactical Unmanned Aircraft System (UAS) optimized to provide Army division and corps commanders with a dedicated Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) platform."


According to data from the manufacturer, the MQ-5B is 7 meters (23 feet) long, with a maximum takeoff weight of about 900 kilograms (2,000 lbs.). It can fly for as long as 21 hours at an altitude up to 5,500 meters (18,000 feet) and carries several sensors and communications devices, but is unarmed.

There is zero truth to the report? We know this wouldn't be the first drone to be intercepted while spying on foreign countries. In November of 2011 Iran says it downed U.S. stealth drone; Pentagon acknowledges aircraft downing.

It also isn't the first time US maintains silence on downed drone.

The US and CIA continue to remain silent and refused to adopt an official position more than 48 hours after Iran unveiled the American spy drone downed by the Iranian military, Press TV reports.

After drone was lost, CIA tried a head fake to lie about where the drone was operating and who was operating it, saying it was flying missions in Afghanistan and had flown off course.

On Sunday, a senior defense official voiced skepticism about the idea that a precious stealth drone would be doing surveillance work in western Afghanistan.

Obama says U.S. has asked Iran to return drone aircraft

"We've asked for it back. We'll see how the Iranians respond," Obama said in a news conference, alongside Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

With no war being waged next door to Crimea and no one to blame, perhaps this time the pentagon was not so naive to think the president should ask for it back.
I can see it now. Obama goes to Russia, hat in hand, and bows to Vladimir Putin. When Putin allows him to rise and speak, Obama apologizes to Vlad and asks him nicely if he can have his drone back. Putin contemplates his decision while Obama blames pentagon officials, drone operators, and George Bush for the errant drone's behavior. Putin then responds, "Nyet!", and walks off leaving Obama, hat in hand, stuttering and flustered.

Yea, It's just better to deny it was lost in the first place.

Posted by Weary_Willie at March 17, 2014 4:49 PM
Comments
Comment #377359

Sounds like near total BS, IMO.

Posted by: roy ellis at March 16, 2014 8:14 PM
Comment #377360

What sounds like total BS?
That Russia has one of our drones?
That the U.S. is denying Russia has one of our drones?
Or that the U.S. is lying about Russia having one of our drones?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 16, 2014 8:32 PM
Comment #377361

Yeah, a basic search of the information brings up a LOT of problems…

“Judging by its identification number, UAV MQ-5B belonged to the 66th American Reconnaissance Brigade, based in Bavaria,” Rostec said on its website, which also carried a picture of what it said was the captured drone.

Looking at their website, there is no mention of any drone or anything being capture, no picture, etc.

I also am unsure what ‘AFP’ is referenced in the article, there is nothing at all on AFP.com, which is French news agency Agence France-Presse, they are the ones who use the AFP moniker.

This has all the makings of a hoax, I wonder if you thought Wayne Knight died today as well?

I can understand why the White House isn’t responding to a fake news story…

Posted by: Rhinehold at March 16, 2014 8:33 PM
Comment #377362

BTW, I had a ‘fun’ time this morning continually reverting Wayne’s Wikipedia page from people who couldn’t understand that http://tmz.today and http://usmagazine.us weren’t the real sites. I just looked a few minutes ago and people are still tweeting and facebooking his death, 8 hours after he posted on twitter than he was not, in fact, dead…

Seriously, 5 minute investigating such news isn’t really that hard to expect of people, is it?

Posted by: Rhinehold at March 16, 2014 8:37 PM
Comment #377363

But it was on Brietbart so it has to be true.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at March 16, 2014 9:09 PM
Comment #377364

Well, brietbart is referencing a story on businessinsider, the businessinsider article states that it is an article from AFP, but I am not finding anything on AFP other than a reference to a tweet from one of their correspondents, and I can not find that tweet on their feed. It may have been deleted from his twitter account, which caused a deletion from the AFP site since it was found to be unsubstantiated. But the story is ‘out there’ now if people want to go with it I guess.

I always try to tack down the initial root of the story because many times the story ‘evolves’ like a game of telephone. And when I have such a hard time finding the actual source, I usually put it aside, it is almost always a mistake or hoax or fake.

Posted by: Rhinehold at March 16, 2014 9:22 PM
Comment #377366

The Rostec website posted this story and did not confirm in information. Neither did they deny.

http://rostec.ru/en/news/4416

Rostec State Corporation does not confirm the information concerning the facts of use of the “Autobase” technical utility on the Crimea Peninsula, which was published in a number of mass media

It then provided a link to “Military Observer” Internet portal pasted below.

http://warsonline.info/ukraine/amerikanskiy-bespilotnik-mq-5b-perechvachen-v-nebe-nad-krimom.html

This link is a translation of the page which provides basically the same information in all the other media stories.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx?ref=IE8Activity&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwarsonline.info%2Fukraine%2Famerikanskiy-bespilotnik-mq-5b-perechvachen-v-nebe-nad-krimom.html

Rostec and others confirm the apparatus used to allegedly capture this drone was the same one used in Iran called Avtobaza

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 16, 2014 9:58 PM
Comment #377367

Weary, I’m sorry but the information presented just isn’t very good quality. No real details, stock photos meant to imply relevant ones, etc. Just doesn’t look like there is anything here.

From my reading, Rostec is calling the ‘military observer’ site warsonline.info a bunch of liars. If the Russian military did bring down the drone ‘almost intact’, it may have used Rostec’s technology, but Rostec wouldn’t know anything about the details.

The State Corporation bears responsibility for the quality of its products but is by no means responsible for the relocation and the results of the use of the equipment supplied by the Corporation’s organizations within the framework of contractors’ orders.

The abovementioned piece of information was originally published on the “Military Observer” Internet portal.

Thereby the complete responsibility for the correctness, authenticity and reliability of the published information lies upon the editors of the “Military Observer”.

Just doesn’t pass the sniff test. And the fact that the report was referenced to the AFP and they don’t have anything about it on their site fuels the suspicion. I’ll wait to see other confirmation before giving this any credit…

Posted by: Rhinehold at March 16, 2014 10:19 PM
Comment #377368

I would like to know if there are American troops in the Ukraine. These reports say an American Brigade that flies these drones is in Kirovohrad in central Ukraine.

It is known that American troops were involved in the Georgia-Russia war in 2008 with Georgia. Could they also be in Ukraine now?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 16, 2014 10:27 PM
Comment #377369

France is an ally of the U.S. If the U.S. wanted this covered up France would be happy to help, I’m sure.

Rhinehold, you may be right. However, I’m no fan of taking our government at it’s word. I believe they lie more than they tell the truth. Drones being captured has happened before. If the administration wanted to cover this up to avoid embarrassment I wouldn’t put it passed them to do so.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 16, 2014 10:33 PM
Comment #377370

The US has had troops in the Ukraine for some time, but not in Crimea. I’ve seen estimates that there were 3700 troops in Ukraine as of 2012. We had an agreement with Ukraine to protect them from Russian aggression as they worked to get joined to NATO (after which any invasion on Ukraine would be treated as an attack on a US territory, per Article 5 of the NATO charter).

The thing is, no country can be admitted to NATO as long as the sovereignty of the country is in question, which it now is with Russian troops there.

Per our agreement we should be pushing Russia out of Crimea, but it was only agreed to because no one actually thought Putin would do what he did. He played his hands to try to keep NATO off of his borders. We basically goaded him into this action.

This isn’t a situation that just cropped up, it has been brewing for over a decade.

The question is how will the world respond? And by the world, I mean the US, because we are the military for the world. For example, Germany has about 70,000 troops in total, 30% less than the limits placed on them after the Treaty of Versailles, which the then German Chancellor called ‘just a small police force’. They don’t need those troops because the US fights the world’s battles now. So they can use their resources on other things while we have to protect them, because of NATO, if anything happens to them.

And sanctions are unlikely, unless you want to see most of western Europe freeze to death this winter. Germany will not go along with any sanctions because they know what will happen next.

But the hope is that Putin just did this to keep Ukraine out of NATO, there is little indication he is going to go any further… Of course, many thought that of Germany when they went into Danzig. So, who knows?

But preening military action is also a mistake, considering doing that will most likely result in the fears of the 1980s realized. Are we really willing to get into a nuclear war with Russia over Crimea, who by all appearances WANT to be part of Russia? The US overplayed it’s hand and is now stuck with a 7-2o set of hold cards…

Posted by: Rhinehold at March 16, 2014 10:44 PM
Comment #377371
Rhinehold, you may be right. However, I’m no fan of taking our government at it’s word. I believe they lie more than they tell the truth. Drones being captured has happened before. If the administration wanted to cover this up to avoid embarrassment I wouldn’t put it passed them to do so.

True to a point, but the US government can’t cover up all of the international media. The same story being relinked to a few small sites is not how it would roll. There would be many other organizations, most notably RT and Al Jazeera, who would be publishing this story if there were anything truth behind it at all.

Occam’s Razor tells us that the more likely case is usually true, that being that this one site is making it up out of whole cloth, at least until I see another source with independent verification of it.

Posted by: Rhinehold at March 16, 2014 10:46 PM
Comment #377372

Your insight into the source has given me pause. You are right about verification being on many sights. If Russian forces had possession of a U.S. drone they would verify it with photos. They may be forthcoming, but your analysis is more credible than one stock photo on one source.

I also agree with you when you say military action is a mistake. I hold the belief that agreements between the Ukrainian government and Russia made before the overthrow are considered valid by Russia. It also has agreements with the Ukrainian government concerning the Black Sea Fleet headquarters in Crimea. Russia consideres the change of control in Ukraine illegal as we would if the Japanese government was toppled by a coup in the same way.

Crimea has voted and an overwhelming majority of votes sided with Russia. Given the fact that Russia ceded Crimea to Ukraine only 60 years ago and Ukraine gained independence from Russia only 30 years ago it only stands to reason self-determination in Crimea should be considered.

There is no way the U.S. or Nato will go to war with Russia over this. The bluster is actually getting tiresome. It is in Russia’s best interest to have control of Crimea because of it’s Hero City, Sevastopol and the 300 year presence of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet there. Russia should also consider the safety of it’s pipelines in Ukraine and recognize their independence.

I can’t see any value toward insisting Crimea remain a part of Ukraine other than to goad Russia and deprive them of their Sevastopol facilities. Russia’s influence in the world would be curtailed if it loses those warm water ports. I believe Russia would consider military action if it’s access to the Black Sea was threatened. It would be stupid for us the think we could counter Russian military action by bluster and sanctions. We are also known for not following through with our support of our allies against aggression. This would be another case of our Talk Loudly And Carry A Small Stick policy.


Posted by: Weayr Willie at March 17, 2014 12:15 AM
Comment #377374

Don’t be so sure, the President just got on TV and did exactly what we just said was stupid… :/

He said the referendum was ‘illegal’ and wouldn’t be recognized, that NATO is united and will be employing further sanctions, etc.

Quick question, the President has issued an EO to put sanctions on Russia, I’m going to have to look into whether that is a power he has…

Posted by: Rhinehold at March 17, 2014 10:49 AM
Comment #377377

BTW, the referendum isn’t what it seems to be… ;)

Yesterday, some of the residents of Crimea voted on whether they wanted to join Russia or increase the autonomy of the Ukrainian peninsula. Residents could not vote to maintaining the status quo. According to officials, over 97 percent of those who voted backed joining Russia. CNN reported that many ethnic Ukrainians and Tatars boycotted the vote and that 80 percent of those who showed up at a polling station in the city of Bakhchysaray were not on the electoral roll.
Posted by: Rhinehold at March 17, 2014 12:50 PM
Comment #377378

Yes, I noticed that the the count recognized the votes cast but didn’t mention the number of people voting. 95% of the vote supporting doesn’t mean anything if only 5% of the people voted. I’m not saying only 5% of the people voted, I’m just making a point.

Also, the sanctions by EO is strange. I’ve never heard of sanctions being placed on individuals. There are sanctions being place on only 7 people I’ve heard and then another 20 or so who aren’t in the government. That is really strange.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 17, 2014 12:56 PM
Comment #377379

Not strange at all, WW. It’s the way ‘wars’ will be fought under the new NWO. Guns will no longer do the talking, money will.

As we can see with the ‘sanctions’ folks aren’t eager to put their big money on the line. Bye Bye Crimea and half of Ukraine, it Putin wants it, IMO.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at March 17, 2014 1:29 PM
Comment #377380

The phrase “Paper Tiger” comes to mind.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 17, 2014 2:09 PM
Comment #377381

What happened to removing Russia from the G8? What about supplying more natural gas to Europe?

I think Obama has a really small stick!

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 17, 2014 2:16 PM
Comment #377382

The problem with the US supplying more natural gas to Europe is that, well, we can’t. Give us, say, 5 years and we might be able to. But it would cost quite a bit.

And at that point, what does Russia have to lose with just taking more of Eastern Europe? OR all of Europe?

Posted by: Rhinehold at March 17, 2014 5:03 PM
Comment #377383

Did Obama sound like he was stifling a yawn in the soundbites they’re playing?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 17, 2014 10:39 PM
Comment #377384

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/03/17/Residents-in-Ukraine-s-Luhansk-Want-to-Join-Russia

Putin won’t have to send in his military. Half of Ukraine is going to join Russia on their own.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 18, 2014 1:15 AM
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