What was the point?
Coca-Cola Super Bowl ad: Bilingual girls explain meaning
The ad features the patriotic song sung in Spanish, Tagalog, Mandarin, Hindi, Hebrew, Keres, Senegalese-French and Arabic.
USA Today failed to mention English was used at the beginning and the end of the song.
Jolie Lee, of USA TODAY Network, interviewed some of the singers in the ad.
Sushmitha, who sang the song in Hindi is quoted as saying:
"The message that we're sending through this video is so beautiful, that we are all the same, We just have different backgrounds and that's OK."
Natalie, who sang in Hebrew said:
"Everybody, they want to come into America to be free and make friends and just be happy,"
Kennedy, who sang in Senegalese-French, said the use of different languages was "awesome." "It just reminds me of this big melting pot, and it just blew me away," she said in a video posted by Coca-Cola.
"America is one union, but with a mix of cultures," said Naya, who sang in Arabic. "And it doesn't matter who you are, we should always be friendly to each other, no matter what difference you have."
In an e-mail to USA TODAY, Coca-Cola said the ad "provides a snapshot of the real lives of Americans representing diverse ethnicities, religions, races and families, all found in the United States."
Jolie Lee did a little footwork and added some interesting statistics about the languages spoken in the United States.
About 21% of Americans age five or older speak a language other than English at home, according to a Pew Research Center blog post, based on data from the 2011 American Community Survey.
In all, 381 languages are spoken in the United States that are counted by the U.S. Census Bureau, according to the Pew blog post.
Languages of the United States
English is the most widely used language in the U.S. Spanish is the second most common language in the country, Tagalog and Vietnamese have over one million speakers each in the United States, almost entirely within recent immigrant populations. Both languages, along with the varieties of the Chinese language, Japanese, and Korean, are now used in elections in Alaska, California, Hawaii, Illinois, New York, Texas, and Washington
Mandarin is ranked #1 language in the world, spoken by almost One-Billion people. Hindi is the national language of India. Hebrew is celebrating a comeback and is used in Israel. Heres is a language used by about 13,000 people in New Mexico. Senegalese-French is spoken by people in Africa. Arabic is one of the languages used in the Middle East, North Africa and the Horn of Africa.
What is interesting is the absence of languages, other than English, that are spoken by white people. German, ranking fifth in the U.S. is not featured. Russian, Polish, and Italian, also prominent languages in the U.S. are not featured. Could it be an oversight? Considering the ad includes a language spoken by non-whites totaling only 13,000 people, I think not.
The 10 Most Popular Languages in the US
Posted by Weary_Willie at February 6, 2014 8:41 PM
English is the world language. It is impossible to be a world class scientist w/o English, very hard to be a successful international business leader w/o English and lack of English in the U.S. will condemn you and your children permanent second class status.
I don’t feel English or America is threatened when others express themselves in their local language. But it does THEM as disservice if we pretend that the other languages are as useful or important as English.
This may be Coca Cola’s way of pandering to the rest of the world. Coca Cola may believe the rest of the world is racist against white people and acted accordingly.
Three times as many people speak Mandarin over English.
List of languages by number of native speakers
Mandarin 935 Million 14.1%
China, Taiwan, Singapore
English 365 Million 5.52%
Australia, Barbados, Canada, India, Ireland, Jamaica, Nepal, New Zealand, Nigeria, Mauritius, Philippines, Singapore, South Africa, United Kingdom, United States
Wearly, that wasn’t what CJ was referring to…
More people live in China than anywhere else, but the language is not spoken as much as English outside of the borders of China, Taiwan and Singapore. Most children in countries learn English as a second language.
There may come a day where that changes, things often do change in the long progression of history. I personally speak more than just English, just because I am that type of person…
But, in a country as diverse as ours, it is important that we can all communicate. English as a language makes the most sense for everyone to be able to at least have basic communications in while living here. Most immigrants in the past and today find it a matter of pride to the learn the language of the country they are moving to in order to be a part of that country, while still retaining their original languages as well. We should encourage that, not because English is ‘special’ or ‘the one true language’, but because we need a language that unites us as a people trying to live together in a diverse society, something very few other countries have to deal with.
The whole debate and ‘outrage’ on both sides is ridiculous and detrimental. We should stop being political about this and be human about it… Something we are failing as a people to do.
I posted this in the column that way
This whole controversy has me thinking it might be interesting to hear the National Anthem sung in a different language other than English. I am sure that no one’s head would explode but it might be interesting to hear something like that and given the outcry from the Coke advertisement I am sure it would bring some people to a better understanding that our nation is diverse if nothing else. I think I’ve said it before but our country’s greatest strengths could be diversity, adversity, exceptionalism and at times imperfection.
If Coca Cola was addressing a world wide audience during the super bowl I could see why this type of advertising might work. I couldn’t understand what was being sung and, to me, it sounded like they forgot the words and were winging it to get to the end.
Uh the Super Bowl venue is a world wide venue. Many viewers in many countries. A great ad to symbolize America’s diversity and inclusion.
The majority of the 111 million viewers are in North America.
Do you have the number of people in Algeria, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Western Sahara, Libya, Djibouti, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Oman, who speak arabic, that watched the super bowl?
How many of the 13,000 people in New Mexico who speak Heres watched the super bowl.
How many German speaking people watched the super bowl?
Don’t care. Still think the ad was a very good example of America’s ability to include people and thought it was very prescient of Coke to use some languages not as familiar as others. Sure they should have had a chorus for every language that could be spoken in America. If they did that the commercial would probably have taken 10 minutes. At $4 million dollars for 30 seconds I think they did a great job.
All - it is silly to worry about a commercial in many languages. My only point is that English is the most important language in the world. There has never been a language as useful and widespread as English is today. We need not pretend otherwise. Those of us who speak English as natives have a significant advantage over those who don’t. It is like being born already knowing algebra, better.
Weary & Rhinhold
Rephrasing and adding to Rhinhold -
Lots of people speak Mandarin as a first language; not many learn it as a second language. If you speak Mandarin and only Mandarin, you get get by in MOST places in China.
English has a large number of native speakers, but also many second speakers. And the speakers of English as a second language tend to be better educated and widespread.
If someone told you that you would be dropped someplace in the world and you had to communicate with somebody you found nearby, English would be the language you would most likely use.
And you could almost certainly find a native speaker of Chinese in China, Singapore or Taiwan who could also speak English. English would be useful in these places. Chinese is not useful outside China and the Chinese diaspora.
Beyond that, you can be a top scientist or successful international business person even if you speak only English. Your chances of doing these things speaking only Chinese are very small.
Don’t you find it disconcerting that the commercial ignored the languages spoken by white Europeans?
No, Weary. It just means that Coca Cola isn’t counting on white Europeans for its business expansion.
Ignoring 70% of the population is not a very good business decision.
What Brietbart is saying is those that made this such a big deal, including Brietbart, weren’t bright enough to figure it out for themselves.
Are you sure it wasn’t Coca Cola saying they have to bow to the rest of the world at the expense of whitey?
Why Coca Cola’s Multicultural ‘America the Beautiful’ Ad Was Offensive
In 1971 Coca Cola created a commercial that put them on the map. The “I’d like to buy the world a Coke” featured children from around the world on a hilltop in Italy singing the song that became famous. There were white, black, Indian, Asian, a menagerie of different ethnic groups represented. What makes this commercial different from the latest commercial is, back then, Coca Cola had the common sense to sing the song in ENGLISH!
Hmmm, a private company made a decision and now social some conservative republicans are upset about it? I wonder, should there be some regulation in place to do something about that, you think? That minority opinion isn’t going to change anything, if anything the ‘outrage’ is fueling the Streisand effect and giving them more free advertising…
Good job, not only setting conservatism back but actually helping the company they are upset with…
That’s a special kind of stupid IMO.
Who said anything about censorship? Yes, get it out there. There’s a big difference between showing unity of all ethnicities as one (1971 commercial) and a multi-culture, bigoted, exclusion of this country’s white majority (2014 commercial).
This commercial is a portrait of the Democratic’s divide and conquer, group mentality, philosophy.
They know they screwed up and admitted it by modifying the commercial.
Admitted they were wrong? LOL, no they added a small part to the beginning to try to slowly explain to the small minded and slow witted that the ad was about inclusion, not whatever miasmic fake outrage that purely partisan self-loathing critics were spewing forth from their highly padded echo chambers.
Every time I clicked on your “Brietbart” links I could actually feel my IQ dropping.
Please show us where, in the links, that someone, anyone, from Coke actually said they made a mistake.
Do you have any idea how long it takes to make a commercial?
I would bet real money that this commercial was made, and finished, months ago, and NOT in any way a response to some made up, lame ass controversy.
And especially not because of the faux outrage from the brain surgeons at Fox and Brietbart.
Actually, to be more accurate, I was thinking…
I think that the inclusion of that part into the ad was Coke’s way of saying:
“Look morons, you know that phrase that is on our money and is an important part of our heritage where all kinds of people from different countries and different religions all speaking different languages came together to form a united country? Well, it applies here, quit being dumb asses and move on to something actually important.”
***It’s not the language they speak, it’s the attitudes they have once here. We have a meme, brought to us by the mainstream media that is innaccurate of such cutesy-pie foreigners. That meme is that they are cute and/or desparately seeking freedoms here—THESE PEOPLE DON’T LIKE nor do they UNDERSTAND OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES HERE AND RAIL AGAINST THEM VIEMENTALLY THINKING THEY ARE STILL IN GERMANY OR WHEREVER.
THEY DO NOT LIKE AMERICANS DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT LIBERTARIANLY HERE IN THEIR OWN NATION OR CONGREGATING LIKE AMERICANS JUST DO. They are just better citizens than us, right? THEY BRING US THEIR HOME COUNTRIES AND THEIR FETID WAYS.
****They don’t just bring us new customs but concepts of law and justice reinterpretation here too once here. No sitting where you want, standing where you want, being where you want and they’ll call the cops on you in a heartbeat for any such indescretion—THEY AREN’T AMERICANS BUT VANDALS HERE DESECRATING OUR VERY FOUNDATIONS OF FREE ASSEMBLAGE AND MORE. No meeting in public spaces and all their cousins are the cops.
****Their kids are all homosexual weirdos bent on uprooting our nation (both the right and left wing mainstream here are all of foreign genetics) not to mention their kids and their kids being right-wing slimers (Boenner, Sessions, Gingrich, Limbaugh et al) if not left wing patsies here to make us look dumb (Kerry, Pelosi, Reid, Obama). They want us out. Not to mention they all have police and selectmen in their families now.
***It’s somehow genetic how they act here and it’s a genetic we don’t need here—BIZARRO RIGHT-WING-INESS via North Korea, North Ireland or West Africa.
**** I’m not losing my freedoms to a bunch of bums and their bum doofus kids to Coke, Sprite or anything else. You do lose all vestiges, that’s your choice, I shall continue to treat them like the otherworldly a-holes they actually are, the whole bucket of ‘em.
Presidential Historian: Coca-Cola’s Revised Ad Shows Americans Still See Country as ‘Melting Pot’
“Coca-Cola has realized they made a mistake,” Shirley said, “but showed intelligence by quickly responding to valid conservative criticisms by adding the ‘E Pluribus Unum’ patriotic disclaimer at the front of the ad.”
“The storm of opposition to Coke’s infamously tasteless ad shows that a vast majority of Americans still see this country as a melting pot and not a gaggle of entitled special interest groups,” Shirley added.
I don’t know how long it takes to make a commercial, but whey they realize they screwed up they sure can modify it in short order!
Don’t kill the messenger, Rocky Marks.
“the messenger” being the opinion of Ronald Reagan’s biographer?
Wow, why on earth would anything think he was biased?
Weary Willie, you are just intent on continuing to dig a big hole here, aren’t you?
“In a statement released Thursday by a spokesperson for The Coca-Cola Company, they said: “‘It’s Beautiful’ provides a snapshot of the real lives of Americans representing diverse ethnicities, religions, races and families, all found in the United States. All those featured in the ad are Americans and ‘America the Beautiful’ was sung by bilingual American young women.”
the soda maker is set to air a new 90-second version of the ad during today’s Olympics opening ceremony, hoping the controversy will simply fizzle out.”
They had already put together the longer version and announced they were playing it during the Olympics before the controversy, Weary, no matter what opinionated xenophobes posting on Breitbart think…
Good! Maybe in the 90 second ad they’ll be able to fit some white people in it!
Where does it say that Shirley is now, or ever was an actual spokesman for Coke?
The best Brietbart can ever do is dance around and try to baffle us with bullshit.
This isn’t the truth, this is a lie, and the messenger should be shot.
You’ve been had again Willie.
What is a lie, Rocky Marks? And who said he was with Coca Cola? I didn’t. Why should Breitbart be shot? Are they reporting stories that don’t fit the progressive worship narrative? Are they busting your bubble?
Why didn’t Coca Cola include any white people in their commercial, Rocky Marks? Isn’t the lie the fact that this commercial is racism hiding behind a shallow multi-cultural platitude?
“Coca-Cola has realized they made a mistake,” Shirley said, “but showed intelligence by quickly responding to valid conservative criticisms by adding the ‘E Pluribus Unum’ patriotic disclaimer at the front of the ad”
I can only assume you read your own links because you put this in quotes in your post.
The “conservative” criticism on this subject is lame, and Coke must be loving all the free advertising they’re getting at the conservative’s expense.
This ‘controversy’ plays very well into the notion that the social conservatives are the only think keeping progressives winning…
When you come down to it, virtually nothing associated with the liberal platform met with their approval — even legalization of marijuana was dealt with in most instances with a shrug — except, you guessed it, same-sex marriage.
That appears to be the one issue militating against a coming Republican majority, but it is an exceptionally potent one because it is used, fairly or not, to paint the right as bigots. And young people, again not surprisingly, don’t want to hang with bigots — so the whole house of cards goes down.
On the other hand, I sensed no hostility toward religious people. Several of these kids were religious — a few devoutly. They were quite thoughtful on the subject of abortion with a variety of views. But to them gay marriage was a done deal. Remember, they come from a generation in which nearly all of their gay contemporaries are out. These are their friends and classmates that are being discriminated against.
In other words, as he states:
In reality what is really going on is not a liberal revolution but a libertarian one. More Americans than ever, or at least during my lifetime, distrust the federal government and think it’s too big. Indeed, in the latest Gallup poll of America’s problems, government itself leads the way among our citizens with 21% followed by the economy with 18%. The president’s bugaboo, “the gap between rich and poor,” registers a paltry 4%.
No, it is improbable that the LP is going to take over the Republican one, there are too many underhanded tricks that the dems and reps play to ensure that doesn’t happen (from ballot regulations to debate exclusions to ‘don’t waste your vote’ idiocy and lesser of two evil politics). But if the Republians really wanted to squash the Democrats bigtime, they would understand that social issues should NOT be part of the political landscape, adopt the libertarian positions and take away the biggest weapon that the Democrats have against them.
But, again, I don’t see this happening soon… Too many self-loathing busybodies setting up camp in the Republican party to allow it. But just as libertarians have been on the forefront of the social changes we are seeing now (way before Dems) it’s just a matter of time before those ideas are the norm in society and in the end the libertarians will win the day…
gnah, quoted the wrong section….
I have to say in all candor that political opposition to same-sex marriage is the Achilles’ heel of the right going into 2016. Social conservatives who intend to make a serious issue out of it should realize that the fallout from their views could adversely affect all of us in a catastrophic way.
No one is going to be happy here. SoCons who continue to press this issue on the political (not the personal or religious) stage have to realize that they are damaging many of us who have other concerns domestic and foreign, many of which we would probably agree on more easily.
This is a great moment. A seriously smaller government is a real possibility with electoral victories in 2014 and 2016. Let’s not jeopardize them by emphasizing an issue more properly, and unquestionably more successfully, dealt with in the private realm.
That’s your opinion, Rocky Marks. Answer the question.
Why didn’t Coca Cola include any white people in their commercial, Rocky Marks?
Never mind. I’ll answer it for you.
Coca Cola was pandering to anti-white racists by excluding white people from their commercal.
Anti-White racism is a worldwide phenomena. The adherents of Multiculturalism have allowed, and even encouraged, racism and hatred against Whites, as well as creating an atmosphere of double-standards against the interests of White people, often hinging upon the Multiculturalist-created psychosis of the White Guilt Complex.
Paul Craig Roberts, in “Genocide in the Classroom” has recognised that anti-White racism is being taught in centres of education This applies especially in the USA, but also in other predominantly White countries where the ideology of Multiculturalism has taken hold of the reins of power.
“Diversity educators” also deny that our culture is being Balkanized. What is really happening is that “evil racist white culture” is being stamped out, and whites are finding a new existence as allies of the oppressed. Once whiteness is extirpated, we will all be warm, intuitive, and love one another.
Think of the children! Isn’t that a rally cry for the Democratics, Rocky Marks?
Slavery isn’t dead in this world and white people weren’t the only race to practice it. White people aren’t immune to it either.
Do you want to see the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the white race be the next slave race to non-whites? All you have to do is ignore the signs. All you have to do is scoff at the seers. Years later your precious child labor laws and 40 hour work weeks will be considered the tools of white privilage, condemned, undeserved by all those evil, sub-human, white people.
Apparently you didn’t actually watch the Super Bowl Willie as there was more than just the one Coke add during the game.
And I have seen several of the adds since.
“Do you want to see the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the white race be the next slave race to non-whites? All you have to do is ignore the signs. All you have to do is scoff at the seers. Years later your precious child labor laws and 40 hour work weeks will be considered the tools of white privilage, condemned, undeserved by all those evil, sub-human, white people.”
Another conspiracy Willie?
Some people can be convinced of almost anything.
Tell that to Paula Dean or Don Imus or any number of people who have lost their job or business because they happened to “say” something someone else disagreed with.
Paula Dean didn’t even have to say anything. It was projected onto her by her brother’s employee.
Why didn’t you pick Jimmy the Greek or Howard Cosell as your examples of fallen stars in the human firmament?
Are you telling us that you actually agree with the comments that got Imus fired?
The point of the first amendment is not to agree with what was said. It is to allow it to be said in the first place.
Would you accept being punched in the face for saying something disagreeable to someone? Would you say you deserved it after the fact?
Would you accept the establishment of a national “cussing jar”? Deposit $1000 for saying something the government considers offensive?
You probably would if the proceeds went toward the latest multi-cultural brainwashing program.
“The point of the first amendment is not to agree with what was said. It is to allow it to be said in the first place.”
Okay, tht is a given, however, is it not the right for employers to fire someone that uses that right to degrade others to the employers detriment?
With the First Ammendment right to free speech comes the caveat of being responsible for that speech.
Otherwise there would be chaos.
So, Willie, will you now answer my question. Did you agree with Imus’ characterization of the Rutgers wommen’s basketball team as “nappy-headed ho’s”?
It’s all too obvious that you disagree with his employer’s right to disagree and hold him responsible for his comments.
The point of the first amendment is not to agree with what was said. It is to allow it to be said in the first place.
It never ceases to amaze me just how many people don’t understand the 1st amendment…
The 1st amendment is a protection from the state (or any governmental agency) from passing laws against an individual’s right to free speech.
It has NOTHING to do with private companies and citizens from choosing to hire, do business with or tolerate the speech of anyone else.
What is interesting is the absence of languages, other than English, that are spoken by white people.
What about French & Hebrew?
Don Imus calls a black basketball team “nappy-headed hos” and the media erupts in a firestorm. He’s taken to the woodshed day after day. The entire country is fixated on his alleged termination for uttering this wildly offensive remark.
Don Imus calls a white guy “a bowtie-wearing little pussy.” and we get crickets. He refers to his white news reader as a “fat pig” and… nothing. He calls a prominent white talk radio host “a fat, pill-popping loser” and a “drug-addled gas bag” and the media sits back and smiles.
Why aren’t these totally opposite reactions considered anti-white racism?
Don Imus wasn’t fired for calling a female basketball team names, he was given a 2 week suspension. He was terminated because his advertising dollars dried up. That’s how it’s supposed to work. Advertisers didn’t want to be associated with that language and pulled their dollars from the show. Saying Imus was fired for offensive remarks about some non-white people manufactured a national uproar that was used to promote the anti-white, racist narrative. Why didn’t the advertisers pull their funding when he was making derogatory comments about white people?
Don Imus sued CBS for wrongful termination and was granted his 40 million due him in his contract. He was hired to say controversial crap. They couldn’t fire him for it.
One of the basketball players who was supposedly so emotionally distraught that she couldn’t shoot a basket or something, tried to use the government to punish Don Imus for all sorts of reasons but finally dropped her lawsuit.
Imus was fired for economic reasons but the reason promoted by the media was racial insensitivity. The basketball player’s emotional tantrum didn’t hold up in court with little mention of that fact by the media. The media focused on Don Imus’ comments solely because a white guy made fun of non-white people. The media let pass repeated instances where white people were the victims of this same type of diatribe by this same person. How is that not racist?
Warren Porter, the language used in the ad was pointed out in the USA Today article as Senegalese-French. This language is spoken by black people in Senegal, Africa. Why the distinction if not to separate it from the French spoken by white people in Quebec, for instance?
Hebrew was almost extinct as a language originating in the Kingdom of Judah. They were not white. If you are refering to Hebrew speaking white people then why not use Polish? Polish would also incorporate the white people who speak Hebrew as a secondary language in Poland. Hebrew, spoken by non-whites, was used. Polish, spoken by white people, was absent, as were the images of white people. Why is that not racist?
Folks, if it looks like racism and it acts like racism, it must be racism. Anti-White Racism
Gee Willie, it almost sounds like you feel threatened.
I could point you to literally dozens of websites that proclaim the same end to all races except white Europeans.
Perhaps if Imus hadn’t stepped over the line his radio advertisers might not have pulled away from his show, and as a result he might still have a job there. Imus signed a contract with CBS allowing him to be “irreverent” and “controversial”. Imus pushed the envelope just a bit too far, into the realm of being thought a racist.
Look Imus has done much philanthropic work, and for that he should be praised, however, it doesn’t excuse his brain fart.
It appears only some of his farts stink, though. Why are his comments only offensive when directed toward non-white people?
We have been so conditioned to excuse the degredation of the white race to the point of thinking it is normal and acceptable, but any disparaging remarks, no matter how small, against non-whites are looked at as a physical assault.
It’s called racism when one race is criticized and others aren’t.
I’m waiting impatiently for that list of websites that proclaim the end of non-white races and not the white race.
So what you’re saying is that you have lived a sheltered life and have never heard of “White Supremacy”.
Funny, it’s been going on for so long how could anybody have not heard about it.
I googled “white supremacy” and got over 10 million hits in 1.2 seconds.
WUZ’ THE COMMERCIAL MULTILINGUISTIC BECAUSE OF COKE’S SPONSORSHIP OF THE OLYMPICS IN SOCHI THIS-UN YEAR???
DO WE SUPPORT THE OLYMPICS?
white hating jewish supremacist
Denounce white supremacist
jesus denounced as symbol of white supremacy
equated to nazis
Wikipedia defines it as structural racism, regardless of the presence or absence of racial hatred.
Legal scholar Frances Lee Ansley:
By “white supremacy” I do not mean to allude only to the self-conscious racism of white supremacist hate groups. I refer instead to a political, economic and cultural system in which whites overwhelmingly control power and material resources, conscious and unconscious ideas of white superiority and entitlement are widespread, and relations of white dominance and non-white subordination are daily reenacted across a broad array of institutions and social settings.
I guess they’re trying to say, “If you’re white, you ain’t right”.
Where are the links that say white supremacists are all warm and fuzzy, someone you’d leave your children with, Rocky Marks?
Where’s the list, quit obfuscating.
NAACP is National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
Why isn’t that group called a black-supremacist group? Why isn’t it equated with hatred and racism like the Tea Party is? Why not? Even the name is racist.
Project 21 spokesman Kevin Martin says:
As a conservative black American, I’m not shocked by the latest statements by the New Black Panther Party’s King Samir Shabazz.
Even the most casual observer must agree that the New Black Panther Party’s actions regularly get a free pass from the mainstream media as well as the Obama Administration Department of Justice. Shabazz’s latest hate-filled tirade once again shows that the group has violent intentions. Like the KKK, they must be considered a domestic terrorist group for their work to incite racial violence among Americans.
While the mainstream media worked hard to find evidence of racism within the Tea Party movement, it seems the New Black Panther Party is overlooked because charges of racism today are instead too often misappropriated to demean the character and ideas of those who oppose liberalism. I figure that is why the actions and statements of the New Black Panther Party are overlooked by establishment liberals and the mainstream media. Their lack of outrage should be considered silent approval of the group’s mindset. After all, that is the attitude they have taken regarding conservative leaders and the Tea Party movement.
Maybe Kevin Martin is getting a little closer to home when he says racism is misappropriated to demean those who oppose liberalism.
Gosh, Willie, us white folks are sure put upon.
Nevermind that we have done our best to suppress any culture in this country that wasn’t “White Western European” for the duration of of our stay here, as White Western Europeans have done for the last several centuries all over this planet.
You know, Manifest Destiny and all that.
As for my obfuscation, I guess it takes one to know one.
I am pretty sure, from your comments here you know exactly where the “White Supremacy” web sites are. Go to wikipedia, under “White Supremacy Groups” there are 62 (more or less) listed there.
The Aryan Brotherhood leads the list. I am quite sure you have heard of them.
The New Black Panther Party is not overlooked by anyone. It is considered a racist and hate organization by not only former Black Panthers (Huey P. Newton Foundation and Bobby Seale) but also the Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party
Nevermind that we have done our best to suppress any culture in this country that wasn’t “White Western European” for the duration of of our stay here,
Really?! I don’t remember hearing anyone say people of color are not allowed here! If we’d done our best they wouldn’t be here.
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
Mexicans are flooding across our border unchecked!
I think you’re making my point, Rocky Marks.
That’s a racist, anti-white comment and you don’t even realize it. It represents a mentality that thinks all white people, alive and dead, are evil genocidal maniacs put here to subjugate the rest of the world and we’re not going to change until we’re put in our place.
Why do you comment like that? Why do your comments display anti-white racism? Is that why you see nothing wrong with the Coca Cola commercial?
A White professor at Harvard University, Noel Ignatiev:
“Abolish the white race - by any means necessary”:
“The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race” and “we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed - not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed”.
Where did you get your education, Rocky Marks?
Rich, I did a search of “white supremacist group arrested” and got a huge list of hits pointing to white people getting arrested.
I did another search of “black supremacist group arrested” and got the same huge list of hits pointing to white people, not a list of arrests of black people. Why do you think that is?
White Supremacist Group Arrested But Not New Black Panther Party Members
“I don’t remember hearing anyone say people of color are not allowed here! If we’d done our best they wouldn’t be here.”
Supress; to end or stop (something) by force.
Have you ever actually read a history book Willie? Or is your knowledge of world history gotten only from fringe right wing web sites?
Do you truly believe that the Senegalese had no culture before the French got there, or the aborigines in Austrailia before the British, Or India before the British, or Native Americans here before everyone in Europe decided to call this continent home?
How about the Chinese that were brought here to build the railroads?
This country was founded on the belief that “All men are created equal” except it seems that some men are more “equal” than others.
I don’t have a problem with the Coke commercial because I recognize it for what it is; a piece of art designed to convince people to buy a product.
Any meaning assigned to it beyond that is merely hyperbole.
Oh, and BTW, if you don’t like the ad, don’t buy the product.
Racist? Hardly, I believe there is only one race and that is the human race.
for the duration of of our stay here,
We’re still here. Who are we suppressing?
This link displays what is going on with this ‘controversy’… we should all learn something from it.
Is that another way of saying, “Keep everything as it is and don’t ruffle any feathers.”?
If that is what you got from that, then I’m not sure what else I can say…
1) Don’t let what the crazies say convince you that that is what makes up an entire side of the issue.
2) Don’t assume that everyone on the other side of the issue is of the same view as the crazies.
3) Let the crazies hash it out on their own, you aren’t going ever have a meaningful debate with them.
4) Rationality and critical thought are best served while talking to those who are engaging in the same and wasted on those who aren’t interested in debate but are more interested in proselytizing their own political religion.
Not at any single time have you provided anything close to rational debate on the topic, so continuing to engage in a rational manner is unworthy of the time spent, you aren’t about to change your mind that the Coke company wasn’t creating an ad that they thought would sell more Coke and instead see it as a means to indoctrinate people into destroying de-legitimatizing White America… So pointing out the illogical and flaws in that viewpoint are pretty much a waste of time and effort.
The rest of the world isn’t racist, and neither are white people.
Generalities are useless.
Then shouldn’t affirmative action laws and quotas be useless? Shouldn’t instructors who criticize the white race be useless? Shouldn’t groups like the Rainbow Coalition and CAIR be useless?
If generalities are useless why do they dominate the Democratic Party and every facet of the federal government?
I think it’s because the concept of an all encompassing federal government is impossible to maintain. It must be split up into factions and each faction must be catered to for the federal government to have any influence. It was once said that we are to be treated equal under the law. That is no longer the case when laws at the federal level are being written for segments of the society and imposed on the entire country. The federal government includes exemptions and waivers in laws when it finds the laws they write will be detrimental to some or advantageous to others.
This creates animosities between these groups. Racism wouldn’t be a factor if the federal government would not favor one group at the expense of others.
Then shouldn’t affirmative action laws and quotas be useless
Shouldn’t instructors who criticize the white race be useless?
Yep, though I daresay there are very few of those in existence. Of course, that depends on what your definition of that is… I suspect it is different than mine.
Shouldn’t groups like the Rainbow Coalition and CAIR be useless?
Of course not, no ‘groups’ should be ‘useless’. I may disagree with their views or opinions, but they should exist if the people who are members of those organizations want them to exist.
Something about ‘freely associate’ floating around in the constitution somewhere…
If generalities are useless why do they dominate the Democratic Party and every facet of the federal government?
That is how the Democratic Party gets people to vote for them, they know people who focus on such things will continue to do so, making their opponents look like xenophobic asshats, and get people to vote for them out of emotion instead of logic and reason.
In other words, to get people who are easily upset about something as stupid as a Coke Superbowl Commercial to hand them the ammunition they need to continue winning elections.
Trust me, all that the furor over the ad has done is get more people to vote Democrat than probably would have done so… It at least made it harder to convince some of them to give the Republican party a try.
I’ll give you that one on the group association/Rainbow.
However, they should have no influence on policy created and enforced by the federal government.
I guess I’m talking about special interest groups. That gets me back to how impossible it is for the federal government to write laws for the entire country.
If that was the case what does it say about the Constitution?
The constitution lays out certain functions of the federal government. They are specific and have been perverted by FDR and by the 16th and 17th amendments. The 17th amendment makes the checks and balances in the original federal structure moot. The 16th amendment gives the federal government the power to keep them moot and neuters the state government’s influence at the federal level.
Many of the laws passed by the federal government would take a constitutional amendment, ratified by the majority of states, to be implemented. FDR bypassed article 5 by perverting the commerce clause, stacking the federal courts, and getting welfare programs at the federal level declared constitutional.
Once the people figured out all they had to do was elect federal officials who gave them things the dam broke and it became the free-for-all we have now.
However, they should have no influence on policy created and enforced by the federal government.
Everyone should influence on policy created and enforced by the federal government. In Other Words, everyone should be able to petition their government for greivences…
OR should only people you agree with be able to speak their minds politically?
That’s the same BS that leads the progressives to want to do away with the free speech of people who are associated into corporations…
Fascism, on the left or the right, is something that shouldn’t be tolerated. AND thankfully, we have protections in the constitution to prevent just that kind of fascism.
Let’s put blame where blame is due, Weary… IT wasn’t FDR, it was the courts, who have been failing us ever since.
“The judge will actually collaborate with the government in coming up with hypothetical justifications for a law in order to bend over backwards and uphold whatever the government is doing,” says Clark Neily, attorney at the Institute for Justice and author of the new book, Terms of Engagement: How Our Courts Should Enforce the Constitution’s Promise of Limited Government. “You don’t get a neutral arbiter.”
Neily sat down with Reason TV’s Zach Weissmueller to discuss what Neily describes as an ongoing pattern of “judicial abdication” in America. The judiciary, he says, was meant to stand as a bulwark against the tyranny of the majority, a defender of individual rights. Instead, it has become a mere enabler of legislators and government agencies. Neily argues that charges of “judicial activism” are overblown in a time when what’s needed is greater “judicial engagement,” or, a real grappling with the meaning of the Constitution and its application as a check on government power.
The last paragraph in that interview was most telling.
Many people, too many people, now believe it is the federal government that gives us our rights. I’ve had conversations about a perfectly logical and effective idea and it ends by someone saying, “Yea, but they won’t let us do that.”. They being the federal government. I don’t thing the majority of people even understand the concept of freedom as the founders did. They believe the federal government controls us and it is simply a fact to them, no doubt exists. It is much like the belief Rocky Marks has that white people are inherently evil.
Consider for a second how the original 13 states came into being. Did they ask the king of England or did they wait for the king of England to let them become an independent nation? No. They took matters into their own hands at great risk. After the revolution did they look to the federal government they created as their savior and protector? No. Each state maintained their fierce independence with the federal government being an equal. Many say this independence caused the civil war, but it was an indecisive and intrusive federal government that almost destroyed this country.
It was only after a growing industrialized nation began to prosper did others subvert it’s nature by creating a federal structure that attempted to control each and every citizen. The Federal Reserve was created to control our money. The 16th amendment reached into the pocket of the individual and took back that money. The 17th amendment gave every person the illusion they, and not their state’s government, controlled their senators.
To exert their dominance they had to treat each and every citizen the same. People found ways around the laws designed to accomplish this. Soon they designed laws that pertained to groups. Then laws that only pertained to certain people. People resented this and resisted. Government pushed back with more laws and a vicious cycle started which continues today.
Now we’re at a point where there must be villians to rally against. The current villian is the rich, angry, white, old male. Government is considered the savior of all from the old, white male, but have you looked at a picture of the SOTU? Lots of black suits with white faces attached to them. When this is pointed out it is described as the problem yet they keep reelecting them over and over again.
What else could be responsible for this behavour? Why are the people convinced government is not working for them but they keep reelecting the same people over and over again?
It’s because people aren’t focused on the workings of the federal government. It’s too vast and complicated for them to be able to grasp. None of us can grasp the entirity of the federal government. It’s much easier to concentrate on the intangable boogie man. The angry, white, male. The arab terrorist, the white supremasist. And yes, the racist Coca Cola commercial.
Our best solution would be to admit our federal government is not our solution. It should be considered an equal of the states. It should rely on states for it’s funding, not the individual. It should focus it’s attention toward our national neighbors and not our citizens.
Our best solution should also be to rely on our local governments working with other local governments to achieve the freedoms we deserve. Local governments can more easily adapt to their constituents. Local governments can more easily determine what are frivilous demands. Individuals can more easily sway popular opinion in their communities and that will make their local government more responsive.
One person can pursuade a group. That group can pursuade other groups. Those groups can pursuade local governments. Local government can pursuade other local governments. Those governments can pursuade state governments. One state can pursuade other states. A constitutional majority of states will command the federal government.
It’s not supposed to be the other way around.
There is also the hubris of thinking that the federal government knows what people in different areas of the country need to function better than the people in those areas. The idea that people in California should have a say in how people in Iowa or Florida should run their communities. That is decidedly what has happened in the past several decades and has caused much more harm than good…
I am satisfied with the size of the federal government and only hope that it will continue to add to the enjoyment of me and my posterity. I think that it is an honor and a privilege to pay local, state and federal taxes. I do not want to return to the 1860’s even if we were able to do that. I shudder to think what would happen if some of the thoughts expressed here were able to be brought to fruition. Thanks goodness that won’t be happening. I want the country of my grandchildren not the country of angry old white men. I find it difficult to see anything wrong with the Coke commercial and think it foolish that so much time and energy was devoted to any discussion regarding it.
Speak, NO ONE is suggesting we return to the 1860s, so I would suggest stopping the construction of straw men to appease your idea that the government we have now can’t be improved or made to be more in line with civil rights, freedom and liberty that our founders intended us to have. There have been some decisions made by small groups of people, sometimes one or a handful, that have perverted the notion of liberty in this country. Wanting to re-establish that ideal is not the same thing as ‘wanting to go back to the 1860s’.
Stop being a tosh and discuss the issues. We are all talking about what we are leaving our children and grandchildren, we are not talking about eliminating a century and a half of existence… Geesh.
Sheesh yourself. I like my federal government and I am talking about what we leave our children and grandchildren. I have no idea what you fear so much and why you fear it but I will continue to read your pronunciations and wonder why you feel that way. You write way to many words for someone with so little to say.
Oh dear Speak… Let’s see what we will be leaving to our children and grandchildren…
* No protections against unlawful searches
* Overwhelming debt that is going to be left to our children and grandchildren to pay back at great hardship
* A police state with police performing no knock raids on minor offenses (sometimes at the wrong house) with SWAT teams to catch minor drug offenders, etc.
* A totalitarian state that dictates what and how they can eat, what kind of medicine they can have, what kind of exercise they are required to do, etc
* Fear of angering the federal government or they will be killed without trial or charges
* No security in any of their assets, including homes, savings accounts, retirement accounts, etc
* More and more jobs going overseas because we are unwilling to do them
* Rising inflation and a debt bubble that will keep them from having the type of life we had growing up
* More and more wars to fight in as Presidents are now allowed to enter them whenever they wish
* Inability to start to business due to the high cost of entry into the marketplace by over-oppressive laws design to protect existing business positions
* No right to anything other than those rights the majority deems you are capable of having
* Inability to leave your house without having appropriate papers provided by the government to prove your legal status
* Monitored at every point when they leave their house and potentially when they are in their house as well
That’s just a small list of things either currently in play or on the burner or possible with the laws the way they are now.
Apparently this is the type of society you want your children and grandchildren to be raised in?
I will continue to read your pronunciations and wonder why you feel that way.
I’ll give you two examples…
First, do you know what today is? It is The Day We Fight Back. I am guessing you don’t know about it since you don’t seem to have any concern over it, but thousands of websites today (including mine) are addressing the NSA spying issue.
Second, do you remember the Kelo decision? http://www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/archives/002389.html
A person’s home was taken from them to be handed over to a private company to make use of it because it was supposed to bring in more tax revenue than they were paying.
9 years later, what happened? The house was razed, the business pulled up stakes and the house is now an empty lot, doing nothing. THEIR HOME was destroyed for nothing.
Yay! What a great government we have that you feel so great about…
I feel pity for those who are complaining about this commercial.
“It is much like the belief Rocky Marks has that white people are inherently evil.”
This is complete and utter bullshit, and is much like your theory that people of color are going to take over this country by force of violence, and Coke is sending them racist messages through their commercials.
Pitiful, yes. Me thinks someone has been being particularly obtuse in this discussion in order to see the comment count increase. It’s all a game to some.
This world wasn’t perfect when I came into it. There were a lot of things I recognized when I was very young that have changed for the better. I’d like to think I have been part of that change for the better. I would also like my children and grandchildren to know the world is not perfect and that they will have their own labor to perform to that extent.
Stephen Daugherty, is that all you got? I expected a novel. Pity, eh? Well, Democratics aren’t well known for recognizing and addressing racism in a timely and effective manner. If sympathy is all you can contribute I guess it’s better than blaming Republicans.
Rocky Marks, who said anything about force. Our federal government is letting them walk in scott free. They’re handing them our tax dollars, health care, education, housing, get out of jail free cards, citizenship. But then again you would probably think they deserve it because those mean ol’ white men came here hundreds of years ago and took it from them to begin with.
Speak4all, thanks for increasing my comment count. You’re a sweetie.
Rhinehold, your list speaks loudly. Why don’t Democratics want to criticize those things? I can only conclude they support what is happening and want it to happen. They must believe it will benefit them personally in some way. Stephen Daugherty and Rocky Marks and Speak4all fail to realize if Democratics get their way they will no longer need people like them for support. They will all be in the same boat/camp/situation as the conservatives they despise.
Ah yes, it is about the comment count then? You are a strange little fellow with a very warped sense of accomplishment, I am not surprised.
That’s your opinion, Speak4all and we all know opinions are like assholes.
You sound like you are jealous that your precious Democratic’s column is having a dry spell.
Can’t back up the facts? Tired of trying to support the obviously poor performance of your god? It sounds desparate when you do?
Poor Democratics. You have to resort to name calling.
It would be a dry spell by the inadequacies of any argument to the contrary. Unlike you and your zeal to gain comments in some supposed sense of accomplishment for your ego, with just nonsense being put out there and no real argument. Again you diminish yourself with your own subjective thought. Pity is what you deserve.
Why were there no white people in that ad, Speak4all?
What is it with conservatives and their questions. Child like minds need something to divert the substance so questions are asked without real curiosity. A question asked from curiosity can be difficult to answer but is honest in it’s supposition. A question asked from animosity does not deserve an answer. Go ask Coke.
“Why were there no white people in that ad…”
Nobody cares about this subject but you and your whacked out friends on the far right.
And while I am on the subject;
Willie, I have to hand it to you. I have been here, on this site, for more than 10 years, and single-handedly you have brought a level of “nuts” to this site that has rarely been equaled.
On the subject of the illegals;
We have immigration laws dating back to Reagan, and no one is enforcing them.
Not Democrats or Republicans.
Obama brought up reform of those laws during the “State of the Union” address, and for a single nanosecond everybody was for it.
Now it seems your “Tea Party” darlings in the House have changed their minds and refuse to deal with it, and are doing so for purely political reasons.
Here’s my idea for the new laws;
If a business is caught hiring illegals put the owner in jail for a long time and close the business. It doesn’t matter what size the business is.
If a person is caught hiring illegals to work at their house, put them in jail for a long time and confiscate the house.
Require people applying for welfare to present a verifiable SS card and a picture ID.
Seems pretty simple doesn’t it?
But it will never happen.
No, it will never happen when your party insists no one needs an identification to vote. It will never happen because the Democratic party needs more and more welfare reciepients to maintain their base and keep them in power.
How are they going to get those votes without buying them. They won’t vote for liars. The need the money. “Show me the money!”, they say.
I feel it’s a great accomplishment to get a Democratic to tell me I “single-handedly” brought a level of “nuts” to WatchBlog.
1. You’ve resorted to name calling. A tactic of last resort for Democratics.
2. You’ve elevated the level of your irritation to describe it as unpresidented.
I think I’m doing a good job.
I also think you fibbed, Rocky Marks. Nobody cares…except YOU! Ha! You’ve responded more than anyone!
“No, it will never happen when your party insists no one needs an identification to vote.”
My party Willie?
I’ve never voted for the Democrats in my life.
“1. You’ve resorted to name calling. A tactic of last resort for Democratics.”
IMHO, saying someone brings a level of “nuts” isn’t calling them nuts, any more than saying someone “hates white people” isn’t calling them a racist, is it Willie?
And calling people names is against the rules of participation.
“I think I’m doing a good job.”
Perhaps that’s one.
“I also think you fibbed, Rocky Marks. Nobody cares…except YOU! Ha! You’ve responded more than anyone!”
Before you break your arm patting yourself on the back for being clever, you might want to take a look around. From where I sit, I see no support for your Quixotic enterprise here.
Oh, and BTW, it isn’t hard to be the one with the most responses if there isn’t anybody else here.
Rocky, I’ve got to give you credit for both your patience and fortitude !! Just about all of the ‘old’ contributors on here have bailed out. Seems like getting jammed with BS-slinging morons was (is) just more than some could take. Remer was good at keeping the really ugly to a minimum!!!
Hang in !
Still up to your childish namecalling, eh jane doe? Haven’t you got anything constructive to say? My mother used to say, “If you haven’t got anything good to say, just shut the fuck up”.
She was a wise woman.
Your mother neglected to teach you manners or the ability to express yourself without using expletives. This could explain a lot about you. What jane doe expressed might have caused you to take offense however it was not offensive. You on the other hand are an offensive cretin.
Namecalling seems to be the left’s standard retort to anything they cannot respond to with intellegent substance. When jane doe decides to converse in a way that doesn’t consist entirely of insults and wah wah crybaby nostalgia, perhaps I will consider addressing her posts accordingly.