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I am being discriminated against!

Sally Kohn writes, in her June 26, 2013 article What Same-Sex marriage decisions tell us about America, Constitution

Wednesday, the Supreme Court correctly ruled that the so-called Defense of Marriage Act violates the Constitution and our nation’s principles of equal treatment under the law. The ruling, which is as legally correct as it is morally correct, reinforces our nation’s real traditional values of fairness and equality for all.

Where does she get this "for all" nonsense? I am a single male. I am not married to a man or a woman. Yet I pay higher taxes to the federal government than a married couple.

Taxpayers who file as a married couple can form a family partnership under federal tax laws. This allows couples to divide income from a family business among family members to reduce the family's overall tax liability.

Married couples generally pay lower taxes than single people because the 15 percent tax bracket is twice as big for married couples than for single people.
Married couples with only one working spouse enjoy an exception to the Individual Retirement Account rules.
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The only thing that Wednesday's Supreme Court ruling will change is that now same-sex couples who choose to marry when allowed to do so by their states will have the same access to the over 1,000 federal rights and benefits as heterosexual couples.

..what of the individual?

This is discrimination against single people. This is a preference towards couples simply because they are cohabiting. This no longer supports the creation of a family because gay people are incapable of creating a family. Sure, they can adopt, but that is beside the point. I can adopt also but I cannot get the same tax breaks a married couple can get. This is about marriage, not procreation.

Sally Kohn's article, "What Same-Sex marriage decisions tell us about America, Constitution" is this:

Discrimination is alive and well in the federal government. This decision discriminates in favor of gay people and against single individuals. This decision discriminates in favor of married people and against single individuals. Sally Kohn's article fails to mention what it really tells us about America and the Constitution. It tells us the American Ruling Class thinks the common person is stupid and should believe this is a solution to discrimination when in fact, it is just another form of discrimination painted with rainbow colors. The federal government is giving tax preferences to certain people based on a now outdated notion of supporting the creation of a family. The federal government has no business giving preference to certain groups of people based on their squeaky wheel mentality. Tax breaks granted by the federal government are simple bribery.

There is only one solution to the problem of the all powerful federal government intruding into the lives of the individual. That solution is the return to the original intent of the framers. To do that we must repeal the 16th and the 17th amendments to the constitution. We must remove the money the federal government extorts from the individual and return to the concept of the federal government being an equal partner with the states. Repealing the 16th and 17th amendments is the only way of eliminating the power the federal government has over the individual. Repealing the 16th and 17th amendments are the only sure ways of eliminating discrimination by the federal government.

Posted by Weary_Willie at June 26, 2013 4:11 PM
Comment #367682

WW, I agree that many of the rulings/policies of local/state/federal govt’s are discriminatory. Gov’ts will argue that this is just democracy at work. But, gov’t has overreached by a mile, driven primarily by corpocracy and raw power of office.

The 16th gave congress the right to squeeze the grapes as they see fit, making winners and losers as they see fit. Until recently it was perfectly legal for a congressperson to set up a ‘deal’ that would enrich a corporation and simultaneously rush out to buy stock in that corp so as to harvest big bucks.

The 17th made our senators pawns of corpocracy in that a junior senator, supposedly elected to represent your state, is to be seen and not heard for the first several years of incumbency. Nothing gets done re legislation unless it goes thru the pecking order dictated by the corpocracy. If a senator doesn’t play ball with the corpocracy he/she doesn’t receive support for the next election and so on - - -.

I know you are passionate for repeal of the 16th and 17th, WW. But, IMHO, such cannot be accomplished until we remove the money influence from politics/gov’t. We really need to change the relationship between corporations and gov’t by abolishing corporate personhood law.

And, any legislation that gets proposed is based on growing wealth for corporations. Immigration is in the news, let’s consider that. Following Amnesty#1 a secret effort (NAU) was undertaken to essentially give green cards and unimpeded worker movement throughout Canada, the US and Mexico. Now, we are being told that we need immigration reform because:
)we need to be nice to people who came here illegally to work.
)there will be a great economic boom by putting millions of immigrants to work.
)we can’t send millions of people back to their home country, even though many travel back and forth several times a year to visit the folks, trains, planes, buses, etc.
)The GOP will collapse if they can’t attract the immigrate vote.

Nothing said as to the real reason; ADM and Apple want cheap labor. For one reason: to drive down worker wages to a level whereby the US can compete in the global economy. Some US and foreign corps are setting up shop in the US, fully expecting immigration reform within the next year or so.

Harold Meyerson, in a WP article today says it pretty well. He writes that “the economics profession concedes” that immigration has played a role in the depression of worker incomes, hourly wages fell 3.8% in the 1st qtr of 2013, biggest drop since the gov’t began recording in 1947.

He concludes: “if the federal gov’t wants to build a fence that keeps the United States safe from the dangers of lower wages and povery and their attendant ills - - - it should build that fence from Norfolk to Dallas.”

So, I agree, a repeal of the 16th (we need a flat tax which is non-discriminatory) and the 17th would be helpful. Joel Hirschhorn is still flogging the blog for Article V Convention as a way to remove the money influence and I agree with that, too, would be way helpful.

But, the most impact on the money influence can be had by abolishing corporate personhood. And, I do believe the only way this could ever be accomplished is through a 3rd party, but not just any 3rd party. Said, while I still vigorously support Move to Amend for their strong fight to abolish CP.

Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at June 26, 2013 6:22 PM
Comment #367690

Is child-bearing a requirement of heterosexual marriage?

Modern American law, as far as I know, has never required that a couple be fruitful and multiply to keep their marriage in effect.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 26, 2013 7:06 PM
Comment #367694

Dumb-ass still doesn’t understand why marriage was granted certain tax advantages.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 26, 2013 7:16 PM
Comment #367696

Please explain, Royal Flush.

Stephen Daugherty, nowhere in the Constitution is it said the federal government must promote marriage and the family.

Posted by: Weary Willie at June 26, 2013 7:35 PM
Comment #367697

Tax benefits granted to married hetero couples was in recognition of the financial burden in raising children and much more that I won’t bother with since you can do the research.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 26, 2013 7:53 PM
Comment #367700

Did you call me a dumb-ass?

Posted by: Weary Willie at June 26, 2013 9:21 PM
Comment #367710

There was a movie back in the 90’s, PCU I think, that had a scene with blacks, gays, and women standing in line complaining they were being discriminated against and that they should go to the front of the line. Well now we have to add the discrimination against single people!

The repeal of DOMA was inevitible given the ground swell of support for gay marriage over the past 8-10 years. It shouldn’t have been the court to do it however.

Posted by: George in SC at June 27, 2013 8:41 AM
Comment #367714


The campaign against supporters of traditional marriage has been as relentless as it is hateful. Even when traditional marriage supporters win the argument, as they did in Proposition 8, they are not permitted to win the policy debate. They are subject to abuse at their homes and places of work; they are mocked by politicians, journalists, and entertainers; they are publicly humiliated when they are sincere in their views.

Posted by: Weary Willie at June 27, 2013 11:45 AM
Comment #367719

Did you call me a dumb-ass?
Posted by: Weary Willie at June 26, 2013 9:21 PM

LOL…no…I save that for Doughboy.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 27, 2013 3:37 PM
Comment #367720

Here’s a headling from the BBC-Africa…

US President Barack Obama has called on African governments to give gay people equal rights by decriminalising homosexual acts.

Doesn’t it just make ones heart leap for joy to know that American tax payers are footing the bill for this fool to prance around Africa with a message of such importance in the world.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 27, 2013 4:18 PM
Comment #367737


Can anyone say “can of worms”?

On the state level, a movement is already under way to revoke non-profit status for religious organizations that do not abide by the same-sex marriage. In Massachusetts in 2006, Boston Catholic Charities withdrew from adoption services thanks to the state mandate on same-sex adoptions, rather than fight the issue in court. In California, a bill is already making its way through the legislature to bar non-profit status for any religious youth group that discriminates on the basis of “gender identity, race, sexual orientation, nationality, religion, or religious affiliation.”
Posted by: Weary Willie at June 27, 2013 11:30 PM
Comment #367738

While it’s kinda sad to see all these negatives piling up on the people I believe it will eventually lead to a revolution thru a 3rd party. But, not just any 3rd party, and so on —-

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at June 28, 2013 3:08 PM
Comment #367739

I agree, Roy Ellis. I agree a third party is needed to change the way things operate in Washington D.C.

A third party that would organize a national tax revolt where everyone and every company that pays payroll taxes refused to pay taxes for 6 months. Let the government starve. We can call it the “Starve the Beast Party”.

A third party where everyone drove their vehicle to Washington D.C. as close as they could get to Pennsylvania avenue and parked it. Parked it and camped out in it. We can call that the “Tailgate Party”!

Those two things would shut down Washington D.C. and it would show the rest of the country how little we need Washington D.C. and it’s out of touch mentality.

Posted by: Weary Willie at June 28, 2013 4:05 PM
Comment #367746

WW, the corpocracy is about revising the tax code to make it ‘fairer’. One would think they would work on corporate tax first as its the worst offender but that’s like amnesty and securing the border to corpocracy.

No mention of a flat tax or even a fair tax, VAT and so on - - - just some changes around the fringe to make the folks think something has been reformed, etc.

Otherwise - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at June 28, 2013 9:06 PM
Comment #367752

I agree. Tinkering with minutia.

I am at a loss why this subject, gay marriage, is even being discussed. It’s most likely the fluff and flutter to distract from more important things that are happening that we’re not suppose to know about.

The federal government shouldn’t have anything to do with this, yet it’s been front and center for decades. About the same time our country’s been falling apart. A distraction? I think it is. It’s the darkness that hides the evil, the destruction of our constitution and our way of life.

Posted by: Weary Willie at June 29, 2013 3:11 AM
Comment #367760

Yea, it gets surreal at times. Like the liberal news hanging with this Zimmerman thing, gained 120 lbs of late. Can you believe that?

While the country has the problems we are stuck with and so on - - -

I am ripped and torn, no, shredded, in that the corpocracy is lining up millions of migrant workers to ‘take those jobs Americans won’t do’. Bringing in millions to take jobs while leaving millions of so-called-citizens unemployed forever.

Why wouldn’t ADM and Motel 6 pay living wages so citizens would take those jobs and let the free market find the cost of a bushel of something or a night in a motel, etc?
Why support a false economy taxpayer subsidized by taxpayers and cheap foreign labor?

Otherwise — - 3rd party and all that - - -

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at June 29, 2013 4:25 PM
Comment #367762

The politicians driving to WDC in far too many cases would be arrested for DUI.

Posted by: tom humes at June 29, 2013 4:39 PM
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