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Donald Trump's Twitter Tantrum

No one was more disappointed in Tuesday’s election outcome than Donald Trump, and he made it very clear posting his opinion’s on Twitter. Trump went on a political tirade condemning the Electoral College and our election process, but didn’t leave the re-elected president out of it.

Upon learning the results of the electorate votes, Trump's tweets started with, "Well, back to the drawing board," followed by, "Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us." You can't knock him for being passionate. And let the comedy begin, "This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy!" and "Our country is now in serious and unprecedented trouble...like never before."

Yes, his tweets are outrageous, but his point was in a tweet with some truth, "Our nation is a once great nation divided!" This is a very sad truth that America faces now and for the next four years. Maybe many people don't realize that maybe people didn't so much support Mitt Romney as they hoped the balance of power would be different. Our country has been in a gridlock for nearly four years, and the division is killing us. With Republicans still holding control in the House, there's a very good chance we're in gridlock for the next four years as well.

Yes, Donald Trump's tweets are/were outrageous, but it's not the tweets it's the attitude, and so many share his same attitude on both sides of the fence. There are democrats who are just as upset and stubborn toward republicans. THIS is the problem. We are a nation divided, and the gap is still getting bigger. It will be the president's responsibility to repair the balance of power, and we can only hope he makes it happen. He hasn't given much hope in his first four years, but now it's make or break.

Posted by MichaelMears at November 8, 2012 6:11 PM
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Michael Mears,
You are wrong. Sorry. Nice try. Reality does not work the way you wish.

You cannot take the truth, take a conspiracy, compromise, and obtain a good outcome. Donald Trump and his Birtherism provides a good example. If one side says ‘Obama is an American citizen,’ and documented evidence supports it, and then the other side says ‘Obama is a Kenyan,’ you cannot resolve the issue by throwing your hands in the air, declaring ‘we’re a nation divided!’, and then hope the two sides can compromise by agreeing Obama is merely Unamerican.

Doesn’t work that way.

Perhaps we should simply ignore Trump. However, Mitt Romney, the Republican for President of the United States, personally flew to Las Vegas to appear with Trump and publicly accept his endorsement. Romney never repudiated the extremist ideologues in his party. This had real world results.

What we are seeing is not “a nation divided.” What we are seeing is ‘asymmetric polarization,’ a term coined by Chris Hayes. The liberals and Democrats have not really changed over the past few decades. The conservatives and Republicans have drifted further and further right, into a rigid ideological position which refuses to accept compromise.

We’ve seen this happen with Tea Party Republicans primarying Republican moderates, winning that primary, and then losing to Democrats in spectacular fashion. This has repurcussions in reality. The GOP has lost at least five seats in the past two elections because of this. That is asymmetric polarization.

Let’s look at an issue in these terms. Take Climate Change. The overwhelming number of scientists agree Global Warming is happening. The facts support it. Yet conservative Republicans deny it as a matter of ideology. You could just throw up your hands and say, ‘well, gee, we’re a nation divided when it comes to Global Warming,” but that’s doesn’t really state the case, does it? Furthermore, there’s no way to compromise and find a successful solution if the problem cannot even be recognized.

I can provide similar examples for a whole host of issues, including evolution, the causes of the Great Recession, the effects of tax cuts on deficits and the national debt. The Invasion of Iraq! Whoo boy.

This isn’t just a partisan thing. There is right, and there is wrong. There is truth, and there is conspiracy & lies. When it comes to practical matters in reality, there is no moral relativism to work around the concept that 2 + 2 = 4.

We saw this happen yet again with the election and conservative Republican denial of reality. They ensconced themselves in an alternative reality, an echo chamber of ideology. The so-called ‘numbers guys’ like Romney and Ryan COULD NOT EVEN CORRECTLY READ POLLS. Conservative Republicans made up an alternative reality in which all the polls were wrong except the ones that said they were ahead, like Rasmussen, and they then condemned The Lamestream Media for bias, and actually changed their strategy in the last debate because of this. Romney seriously thought he was ahead. Conservative Republicans told him he won the second debate, despite polls and the MSM suggesting otherwise. Because of this asymmetic polarization, Romney believed his backers. In the third debate, he played defense. It seemed inexplicable at the time, but Romney and Ryan were in an alternate reality which did not jibe with polls, facts and statistics.

Asymmetric polarization caused conservative Republicans to drift into an alternate reality that matched their ideological beliefs. Obama was not that smart. Obama was hated. Obama was weak. Obama was a tyrant. There was a conspiracy involved in Fast and Furious. There was a conspiracy involved with recent events in Libya.

There was no way this bubble could come into contact with the reality and survive. Romney lost.

When one side is right, and one side is wrong, that does not mean we should bemoan “a nation divided.” We need to stand for what is right, and condemn what is wrong.

Posted by: phx8 at November 10, 2012 4:04 PM
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A nation divided is surprising when we have essentially a two party political system?

I would think it expected. In fact, it is exactly how our nation has functioned politically since its founding. Its not a dictate of the Constitution but seems to be the practical outcome. Sure, there have been third parties, but they have not survived. There have been periods of national emergency and war where the divisions have been set aside. But the long history is one of constant political battle and division within the country.

I don’t know if it is good or bad. But, it is how we do our political business in this country.

Posted by: Rich at November 10, 2012 10:20 PM
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Mears, why on earth would you attempt to defend the pathetic loser Trump? Shortly before the election he announced a major “bombshell” about Obama. Of course as it turned out it was foolish bribe.

After the election he is for revolution because Obama won the election. His attitude doesn’t deserve your defense, it deserves your scorn. Really he has announced the nation is divided! Such profound insight from a divider, a birther 4 years after the fact. Ignore him and maybe he will go away.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 10, 2012 10:25 PM
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I really don’t care much about what Trump says. He’s just another spoiled brat as far as I’m concerned.
But he does have a point. Only it ain’t only been the last four years we’ve been a nation divided. It’s been the last 40 years or more. Both the Democrats and Republicans work hard to keep us divided. That way we wont notice them selling us down the river to the highest bidder of their personal and political gain.

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Posted by: Weary Willie at November 12, 2012 4:54 AM
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MichaelMears, I was more disappointed than Donald Trump.

I don’t have the millions of dollars needed to express my disappointment to the world the way Donald Trump can, but that does not negate my disappointment. I agree with Donald Trump simply because he is not a politician and he has the guts to speak/spend his mind.


America’s government now reminds me of a friend of mine. I’ve known her for half her life. I invited her into my home and provided her with her vices, and when I seek comfort she asks me for more money!

The federal government is a take/take senerio. Read the U.S. Constitution! The federal government isn’t the top! It’s the bottom of the government food chain!

Change your perspective towards your federal government and then you can hope for a chance to prosper!

A chance to prosper is what everybody hopes for!

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 12, 2012 5:51 AM
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Donald Trump, Jerry Jones, Alex Baldwin, Barbara Striesand, Clint Eastwood, Barbara Walters. These people have become well known from success in business or entertainment. They are good at what they do. Their success in one field does not make them omniscient. They are not gods. Their egos keep telling them they are. Fools treat them, and listen to them, like they are.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 12, 2012 8:56 AM
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Divided indeed.

Hundreds of tweets threatening riots and murder are willfully ignored, while a few tweets by a millionaire goofball are treated as if it’s the end of the world.

Posted by: kctim at November 12, 2012 6:03 PM
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Amen, kctim

Posted by: John Johnson at November 12, 2012 9:21 PM
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John Johnson, Why do you include Donald Trump into your list of leftist, liberial, progressive, hacks?

Are you trying to discredit Donald Trump by linking him to the leftist, liberal, progressive, hacks that the majority of true Americans can’t tolorate?

Donald Trump cannot be included in your list, John Johnson. Not the way you present this list!

The only way I can interpret your post is to believe you are trying to link Donald Trump to


, Jerry Jones, Alex Baldwin, Barbara Striesand, Clint Eastwood, Barbara Walters.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 12, 2012 8:56 AM

Oh! Look! John Johnson included Clint Eastwood into his list of: What, John Johnson? What is this a list of?

Is this a list of people who are obnoxious and immature? Do you include Donald Trump and Clint Eastwood in this list to paint them with the same brush these leftist baffoons paint themselves with?

Good luck with that John Johnson. Clint Eastwood conducted himself quite well with a replica of our current government. I think he spoke quite elloquently to that empty chair we call our federal government. I respect Clint Eastwood’s courage. Clint Eastwood did what no one in the MSM would do. None of them would do. They still won’t do it.

When Obama stole this election the Left and the Right both accepted it way too soon. No one has questioned this election more than once. It’s a shame people like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh can question the results, yet they have no possible way of proving anything they say.

Sean Hannity reported that 57 Districts in Phillidelphia had zero votes for Romney! Why isn’t this little tidbit of information being followed up on?

I’ll tell you why. If Rush Limbaugh was the man on the street asking the passer-by who he voted for, and that passer-by said he voted for Romney, and both the passer-by and Rush Limbaugh went to the the election board to lodge a complaint, the election board would only have to say,

“Prove it”

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 13, 2012 7:44 AM
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Sean Hannity reported that 57 Districts in Phillidelphia had zero votes for Romney! Why isn’t this little tidbit of information being followed up on?

My guess Weary is because Hannity is a fraud, lacking in credibility. He obviously cannot accept responsibility for misleading conservatives on a daily basis.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 13, 2012 8:53 AM
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Willy, Clint Eastwood is an actor/director. He has been hugely successful. What about this celebrity makes the average guy care about what Clint has to say over the woman who lives next door? Is he smarter than her? Is he more well read? Does he know the issues better?

My point was more a knock on the average person who wants…in fact does believe that these people are all knowing gurus, when they are not.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 13, 2012 11:29 AM
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When Obama stole this election the Left and the Right both accepted it way too soon. No one has questioned this election more than once.

Well not everyone on the bat s**t crazy far right gave up Weary. Their are some seeking……well revenge I guess.

http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-woman-runs-down-husband-car-not-voting-045426220.html

It’s a shame people like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh can question the results, yet they have no possible way of proving anything they say.

The real shame is when they try to sell it to the gullible conservatives as factual, Weary. The problem with these propagandist trying to claim the election was stolen is all the voter suppression schemes the repubs/conservatives tried leading up to the election. The hypocrisy is just special, IMHO.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 13, 2012 2:54 PM
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j2t2, this is obviously why things will not get any better. Each side is accusing the other side of doing the same things. It’s hard to take your post seriously when you use the word “revenge”, which came straight from your god’s mouth, and then attribute it to “the bat s**t crazy far right”.

I am looking forward to the fiscal meltdown this country will have. I have no debt. I own my own property. I have some precious metals. I say bring it on and let the chips fall where they lay. I’m sure it won’t be any different after the collapse. The left will blame the right and the right will blame the left. The media will make the right the whipping boy to protect the left and everything will still remain the same.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 14, 2012 3:09 AM
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Roy Ellis, how about a third party with a platform with one plank. How about we create a party with the one goal of disbanding the cabal of 6 media giants that control what we read and see and hear each and every day.

How about that, Roy Ellis?

Use anti-trust laws that are on the books to break up the monopoly the 6 media giants have constructed to control us.

A noble goal, yes?

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 14, 2012 6:28 AM
Comment #357069

Why stop there, Roy Ellis?

Let’s promote the birth of a fourth party that supports the abolition of The Federal Reserve Bank.

Let’s not stop there, Roy Ellis.

Let’s promote a large number of parties that each support a specific goal. It would be cheaper for the individual, and when all of these parties have been established, and considered equal to the Republican and the Democratic parties, all of these parties can join together to achieve each party’s goal until all of them have been achieved!

I think that is a strategy worth considering.

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I was trying to draw attention to the letter labeled “My Wife’s Lover” that is included in the link I posted here.

I apologize for the confusion.


Posted by: Weary Willie at November 14, 2012 7:00 AM
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These posts are so juvenile! We think by calling the messenger names these posts are justified?

What shallow and weak thought must be used used to construct the posts that have been submitted to this thread?

Well not everyone on the bat s**t crazy far right gave up Weary. Their are some seeking……well revenge I guess.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 13, 2012 2:54 PM

My guess Weary is because Hannity is a fraud, lacking in credibility. He obviously cannot accept responsibility for misleading conservatives on a daily basis.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 13, 2012 8:53 AM

What would you do, j2t2, if I called you a fraud, lacking in credibility. What would you think if I proclaimed you cannot accept responsibility for misleading liberials on a daily basis?

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