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Paul Ryan Under Attack...Already

It doesn’t get easier form here for Paul Ryan. Since the moment Republican Candidate Mitt Romney announced Ryan as his Vice President, it has been a media frenzy, and it’s no surprise most outlets have nothing nice to say. Republicans are taking this all in, and evaluating the party’s vice president and the good things he has to offer, but the rest are all saying this is worse than the Palin pick in 2008.

It's all hearsay, but it's amazing how quickly the media attack Romney's selection. Ryan has barely spoken, but the media jumps at putting words in his mouth before America can actually HEAR what he has to say, and HEAR a real debate, that they could possibly make a decision on their own. The media is as it always is, but there has been little discretion when it comes to beating down Paul Ryan before he has even stood.

Ryan made his first solo appearance in Iowa since his selection, and it certainly wasn't as smooth as he may have expected. He was heckled by disappointed Americans shouting, "Stop the war on the poor," and "Stop the war on the middle class," and "Are you going to cut Medicare?" This may not necessarily be a bad thing because clearly these voters in the swing state aren't happy or comfortable with the current president. However, it's not going to get better from here.

As more information is disclosed on Ryan, and the more he shares his insights and positions publicly, the more he will be criticized by the media. Democrats are saying that they wanted Romney to pick Paul Ryan because they have the best chance at beating the GOP again, and he's part of the war on women. In a race to the finish line, because the rational centrists are too few, it will be Romney and Ryan or still Obama and Biden.

Posted by MichaelMears at August 13, 2012 8:24 PM
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Comment #350701

Michael,
People in IA are going to be unhappy with Ryan because he has been instrumental in standing in the way of the farm bill in Congress. Being an ideologue in Congress is very different from being out there with the people.

People in IA are going to be unhappy with Ryan because they are living through a horrendous drought right now, and in addition to standing in the way of that bill, Ryan is a Global Warming denier.

Women in IA are going to be unhappy with Ryan because he has backed a personhood amendment in Congress which defines a human being as existing from the moment of conception, which not only outlaws abortions in the case of abortion & rape, but also outlaws most kinds of conception.

Do you understand that, Michael? That’s not just ‘Democrats saying he’s part of the War on Women.’ That’s Ryan’s position. That’s what he believes. He co-sponsored the bill.

Seniors are going to be unhappy with Ryan because his budget proposes replacing Medicare with a voucher system. An independent analysis estimated this system would cost seniors an additional $6,000 per year.

Various cuts to social programs would be necessary because Ryan proposes tax cuts for the wealthiest of the wealthy. Under his proposal, Romney would have paid at a .82% rate for 2010. Just to make sure you got that, let me spell it out: point. Eight. Two. Less than one percent.

So you are right about this: the more people understand Ryan’s “insights” and “positions,” the more he will be criticized, not just by the media, but the vast majority of Americans.

Posted by: phx8 at August 13, 2012 11:38 PM
Comment #350703

Correction: the personhood bill co-sponsored by Ryan will outlaw some kinds of contraception.

Posted by: phx8 at August 14, 2012 1:40 AM
Comment #350724

Mears, it wouldn’t have mattered who Romney picked, the leftists would still be promoting their over generalized fear mongering opinions over truth. The goal is to convince low information voters to blindly accept their opinions rather than read and come up with their own decisions.

They do the same thing with any candidate who does not fall in lock-step, including moderate Democrats.

Leftist extremists have taken over the Dem Party and it now must rely totally on low info and “entitlement” voters.
They will insure every election from here on out will be filled with their hate and totally disgraceful.

Posted by: kctim at August 14, 2012 11:36 AM
Comment #350759

Ryan’s views are well known. He authored the “Roadmap” and the Ryan Budget. Its not all “hearsay” for crying out loud. It’s his own words.

Posted by: Rich at August 14, 2012 9:23 PM
Comment #350761

kctim,
What are you talking about? How is it “fear-mongering” to describe Ryan’s views? Democrats are very excited about the Ryan nomination. Personally, I’d very much like to make sure the electorate is aware of Ryan’s stands on the issues; after all, if Romney wins, Ryan will be next in line to assume the office if necessary.

No one tricked Ryan into promoting The Ryan Budget. It’s his claim to fame. If people are aware of him at all, this is why. Republicans voted unanimously for The Ryan Budget. Romney has named Ryan his running mate, and he called that budget “marvelous.” Outlining the Ryan Budget makes perfect sense.

No one forced Ryan to vote for a personhood bill. It’s not a liberal trick. Ryan co-sponsored the bill. Voters need to understand his views on woman’s health issues. Some will support him. Some voters want to outlaw all abortions in all cases, and outlaw forms of birth control such as the pill.

Conservatives have constantly come out against all efforts to address Global Warming. In The Ryan Budget, Ryan cut all subsidies for alternative energies, but included $40 billion in oil subsidies.

There’s nothing hateful or extreme about discussing Ryan’s votes and stands on issues. Democrats are absolutely thrilled to be having this discussion.

Let’s put the truth out there and let people decide.

Posted by: phx8 at August 14, 2012 10:00 PM
Comment #350780

phx8, you make so many assumptions in your last post!

You say Ryan will be next in line to assume the office as if it’s a bad thing. Assumption #1.

You say the Ryan Budget is a bad thing. Assumption #2.

You also assume Global Warming is a bad thing and government sponsored, alternative energies will end all of our problems. We’ll let the Solindra details decide assumption #3, yes?

I’m thrilled to have a discussion with Democratics during this election cycle. Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan should frequently and forcefully mimic the very quote uttered during Mr. Obama’s State of the Union Address:

“You lie!”

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 15, 2012 6:25 AM
Comment #350795

Phx8
I would love if you guys were willing to let people decide based only on truth, but we all know you will never do that.

You guys aren’t describing Ryan’s views, you describing your opinions of his views, and those opinions are based on win at any cost politics.

Contrary to what you all promote to low info and entitlement voters, the views, beliefs, values etc… of a President or VP do not automatically become law. They do not have that power.

A VP Ryan being next in line is less of a worry than Obama being first in line. Obama had no viable experience for the 3am phone call and no real experience representing anybody other than those who agreed with him. All things you all had no problem with in 08.
Hypocrisy, thy name is liberal.

The “Ryan Budget” isn’t as extreme as you guys want people to believe it is. It doesn’t create death panels, kick old people off Medicare or throw old people over cliffs. It’s actually nothing more than a weak attempt at lowering costs by giving some people a choice.
The lefts goal is universal government health care so any choice is bad and we get ridiculous fear mongering ads from you all.

Believing life begins at conception does not mean one does not care about womens health issues. Not wanting government to use taxpayer dollars to support abortion does not mean one does not care about womens health issues. Not wanting government to force people to support things against their religion does not mean one does not care about womens health issues.
The fact is, Ryan as VP will not, can not, “outlaw” abortion. Government not paying for a womans contraception does not take away their access to it. Not all women believe they are weak and need government to provide for them.
You guys want government to force your beliefs onto everybody else so that you do not have to forgo your own luxuries and pay for it yourself. That is why you claim a vote for Ryan would give him magical powers to outlaw abortion and contraception.

“Conservatives have constantly come out against all efforts to address Global Warming.”

No, they come out against to address it how you think it should be addressed. Not everybody falls for the alarmist rhetoric.
But tell me, IF it is such an important topic, why isn’t Obama running on it? Why isn’t he running on every American paying $8 for a gallon of gas? $10 for a light bulb? Drastically taxing or even closing companys with high levels of pollution? Higher costs for food that is delivered by trucks that pollute his roads? Why isn’t he running on an “environment tax” that everybody has to pay?

IF a person really cares about “global warmning,” Obama is not their man.

“There’s nothing hateful or extreme about discussing Ryan’s votes and stands on issues.”

There is when you choose the liberals SOP and attack the individual instead of the position.

“Let’s put the truth out there and let people decide.”

Again, that would be great. Here’s a few things the extremists on the left could start with:

Being pro-life does not mean a person hates women.
Not wanting to pay for a womans contraception does not mean one is waging a war on women.
Believing in “traditional” marriage does not mean one hates gay people.
Not supporting the ACA and the stripping away of free choice with another government mandate does not mean one is a racist who hates minorities and women.
Wanting some effective reform of SS or Medicare does not mean one hates old people and wants to kill them.
Laying off people in an attempt to save a failing company does not mean one kills people.
Wanting to deal with our illegal alien problem does not mean one is a racist who hates latinos.
Believing in the free market does not make one a fascist.

You will have to stop all that nonsense IF you want to get the truth out, and there is no way the extreme leftists are going to do that.
It’s win at all costs, truth and honesty be damned.

Posted by: kctim at August 15, 2012 10:53 AM
Comment #350811

kctim,
There is a big difference between believing something, and imposing that belief on someone else. Using government to impose that belief on others is especially objectionable. That is where your logic falls apart. There’s nothing wrong with holding a view on a controversial issue and practicing it on a personal basis. There’s everything wrong with imposing it on others, especially when imposing it causes harm and unhappiness.

And to cite one specific, Romney did not lay off people in order to save companies. In some cases, he laid off people in order to pay himself and his investors a big one-time dividend. That’s not illegal. But actions do have consequences, and even indirect consequences have foreseeable outcomes. Lay off people from their jobs, threaten their economic survival, cut them off from health care, and bad things will happen to some of them. Sometimes that’s just an inevitable part of participating in a hard world. I get that. But when doing those kinds of things is motivated by nothing more than personal greed at other people’s expense, then it becomes morally condemnable, and even the indirect consequences and the suffering will be hung around that person’s neck.

Posted by: phx8 at August 15, 2012 1:10 PM
Comment #350879

“It’s [Ryan Medicare plan] actually nothing more than a weak attempt at lowering costs by giving some people a choice.”

Nonsense, Kctim. Ryan is quite clear about the voucher plan: the government plan (Medicare) cannot continue to pay health care costs that have and are projected to continue to rise above the general rate of inflation. So, we will cap Medicare outlays at the general rate of inflation. Medicare recipients will get a voucher representing that amount to purchase private insurance on the open market. In essence, transferring the excess cost inflation problem of health care to seniors and the private insurance market. Good luck on that one.

Posted by: Rich at August 15, 2012 11:38 PM
Comment #350901

Phx8
Unlike the left, I am against using government to impose views and beliefs onto everybody else and I apply that fairly across the board. Imposing, forcing, a health care mandate for one, is no different than imposing abortion for none.
Freedom is lost when you pick and choose as the left does.

With that in mind, I do not fear a VP magically gaining dictator type powers, bypassing the President, Congress and the courts, and imposing his beliefs on me.

“There’s everything wrong with imposing it on others, especially when imposing it causes harm and unhappiness.”

IF you truly believed that, you would not be a modern day liberal.

Re laying off employees, I have nothing against legally using private money to make profits, but I do have something against using public money to pander for favors and votes.
They both layed off employees and if one is responsible for the “forseeable outcomes, then BOTH are responsible for them. You don’t get to dictate different consequences using politics and opinion.

Posted by: kctim at August 16, 2012 12:09 PM
Comment #350902

Rich, if you can “purchase private insurance on the open market,” you have a choice on which purchase to make. If people are using private insurance, they are not using Medicare and not using something usually results in lower costs for it.

Didn’t say I agreed with it, in fact I said it was a weak attempt. I don’t buy this projection any more than I buy Obama’s ridiculous projection.

If it was up to me, we all would still have the freedom of choice to choose the retirement and health care plan of our own. Sure would beat the failed, bloated and abused crap we are forced into now.

Posted by: kctim at August 16, 2012 12:37 PM
Comment #350924

“If people are using private insurance, they are not using Medicare and not using something usually results in lower costs for it.”

Kctim,

That is not exactly true. The Medicare Advantage plans are private insurance companies currently providing Medicare services on a competitive basis. Seniors enrolled in Medicare can chose to have their health insurance provided by a private insurer (e.g., Humana, United Health Care, etc.) which has a contract with Medicare. The insurer receives an annual per person payment from Medicare for providing the services. The deductibles, co-pays, out of pocket limits, etc. vary between companies participating in the program.

Whether the companies actually provide the services at a lesser cost than basic Medicare has been disputed. Some studies indicate that the plans actually cost 117% of the costs incurred by those in Original Medicare for similar services.

Posted by: Rich at August 16, 2012 6:22 PM
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