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Cantor balks at tornado relief; tells Missouri “Them’s the breaks”

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) — the living embodiment of the term “number two” — said that if Congress doles out additional money to assist in the aftermath of natural disasters across the country, the spending has to be offset by cuts in other domestic spending.

Cantor, the No. 2 House Republican, said “if there is support for a supplemental appropriation for tornado victims, it must be accompanied by support for having pay-fors to that supplemental.”

Finding ways to offset disaster relief funds could be a significant challenge for House Republicans and would put their promise to cut spending to a true test. Roughly 100 people have died in Joplin, Missouri so far after a tornado and subsequent storms lashed through the town this weekend.

Joplin, a southwestern Missouri town of roughly 50,000 people, is represented by Rep. Billy Long, a freshman Republican who replaced Roy Blunt when he went to the Senate. Missouri’s Congressional delegation has six Republicans — two were elected in 2010.

Party-first politics is abject stupidity — and Eric Cantor is the national poster child. Our politicians are for sale to the highest bidder aren’t interested in the slightest with benefitting this nation and it’s citizens in any meaningful manner. Just ask any politician what he or she will personally do about a particular situation or issue. Every answer you get will be a “what we need to do” answer followed by no specific actions whatsoever, instead of “what we ARE doing” answer that includes details and actions for which they might be held accountable. Anything to get and keep that job, and the benefits, perks and kickbacks provided by taxpayer citizens.

How to pay for the tornado disaster relief? How about we take it out of the hundreds of billions we send to Israel? How about we take it out of the dozens of billions in foreign aid we’re giving to Pakistan? Cantor supports that. Of course, why wouldn’t he? The head of the Council on Pakistan Relations donated $50,000 to Eric Cantor’s campaign.

How about we take it from the $2.9 Trillion spent in Iraq and Afghanistan so far; or from the additional $800 Billion in the Defense Department budget pegged for Iraq/Afghanistan now? Cantor has supported and voted in favor of every single Iraq and Afghanistan funding bill since he took office, including more than $750 Billion in eight separate “emergency appropriations” bills that appear nowhere on the federal budget and are not counted as part of the existing Pentagon annual defense budget.

How about we cut the fat and padding out of a Halliburton contract? Cantor has voted against all three attempts at restricting no-bid defense contracts. At last tally, Halliburton has received … get ready for this … $1.68 TRILLION in no-bid contracts since 2001.

We’ve always got unlimited billions to fork over without question to every Middle Eastern desert wasteland there is that has oil. But when it’s Americans who need help, we can just go pound sand.

“Pay for it elsewhere.” It’s the Republican mantra these days. Only “elsewhere” always means “take it from the middle class suckers we always take it from.”

But billions in corporate welfare for companies already making hundreds of billions in profits? Oh yeah, we got that.

And let’s not forget that it was Cantor — unaffected by tsunamis — who called for massive cuts in the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) budget, which includes the National Weather Service (NWS) and is charged with tsunami warnings as well as preparing for and reacting to disasters.

“Funding things that *might* happen is reckless and ineffective,” Cantor said. “Not when we’re faced with such dire financial circumstances already.”

Well, Eric Cantor *might* get cornered in a parking lot by a pissed off voter and beaten within an inch of his miserable, sellout existence. But hey … stuff happens, right Eric? No sense in spending to prevent it. That would just be reckless and ineffective.

Posted by Gary St. Lawrence at May 23, 2011 10:18 PM
Comments
Comment #323486

Gary here is an earmark for Missouri from the Defense Billthat can be used to provide emergency relief services to the people of Joplin. Cantor should approve of this as it also affects Missouri.

“Another tea party-backed lawmaker, freshman Rep. Vicky Hartzler of Missouri, won an additional $20 million for “mixed conventional load capability for Air Force bombers.””

Posted by: j2t2 at May 23, 2011 10:58 PM
Comment #323487

The link for the quote above.

http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/2297-Defense-Bill-Larded-Up-With-Earmarks-

Posted by: j2t2 at May 23, 2011 10:59 PM
Comment #323503


Imagine the Republicans saying, if we have to fight a war, such as in Iraq, the cost must be offset by cuts in other military spending.

When boiled down, this issue, like so many others our nation is facing, is rendered to corporate interests Vs citizens interests.

Posted by: jlw at May 24, 2011 2:48 PM
Comment #323508

We have unspent stimulous money that could go to the tornado victims instead of the tax cheats that 24 billion went to, and yes we could cut some unnecessary military spending and other pork. We can’t just take and hand out what we don’t have, we have to cut one to give to the other. We have flood victims, tornado victims, and Hurricane season is just around the corner. IMO it’s time for congress to get serious about spending cuts or else we won’t be able to take care of any victims.

Posted by: KAP at May 24, 2011 4:14 PM
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KAP-
This is the kind of reason Congress was given the power to both tax and take out debts. For most of the last century, it’s hardly been questioned: to deal with disasters, you do what you have to do.

It’s one thing to be pennywise and pound foolish (which this is), but to be such in the service of such a grossly elitist agenda in this day and age is just plain stupid, politically. It helps Democrats form this narrative: that Republicans and Right Wingers will continue to try and balance the budget on your middle class or poor back, while they hand billions of dollars cheerfully and happily to those who are already the winners of the system.

I’d say keep on playing government by hostage-taking, but the problem is, I actually care about real world policy, so I’m appalled at the pointless stinginess of what this guy is doing. If you want the answer to why Republicans get made to look like callous villains in the media and elsewhere, the sad truth is that they lack the humility to ask themselves whether they really want to send such messages or do such things, and they always tell themselves that these things are for the best ultimately, so they fail to ask the questions that most other people do.

This is the leadership that Republican voters have elected, unfortunately, the Party of Mr. Potter and his Pottervilles, of those so oblivious to the harshness and unfairness of what they propose, that they willingly walk right into the roles of the bad guys for most Americans, and pay the political price for it.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 25, 2011 6:58 AM
Comment #323531

Stephen, This country is in debt up to it’s ears, we have NO money, democrats and republicans alike have spent us into oblivion. We have flooding, tornados, and comming into hurricane season, so where do you think we can come up with the money to fund all of these tragedies. We have unspent stimulous, we can cut unnecessary military spending, we can get rid of PORK, and all those grants to study stupid things like the sex life of a fly{just an example}. We can raise taxes to but IMO that will go over like a lead balloon especially when prices for gas and groceries are high as is unemployment. As I stated it’s time for congress to get serious about the overspending and unnecessary spending including the wars we are in now.

Posted by: KAP at May 25, 2011 10:05 AM
Comment #323548

KAP-

Stephen, This country is in debt up to it’s ears, we have NO money, democrats and republicans alike have spent us into oblivion.

We borrow money at very reasonable rates, despite our heavy debt, which is mostly the result of policies that Republicans passed by wide margins.

The Right’s problem is that it’s skidded right past the seaside villa of tough-love responsibility and gone over the cliff of callous disregard for the fortunes of our country. And they don’t realize that people have started to catch on to this.

You need to realize that the policies you support on the right are basically elitist policies, meant to benefit the wealthy, and keep the current winners in the economy winning whether they deserve to or not. They dress it up in populist rhetoric, but it’s always about deferring to or depending upon the judgment of the rich and powerful in question in order to keep jobs in the countyr, or something like that. The message is always let these people have their way, and make as much money as they want, or the economy gets it.

But when does the economy truly get it? When we find out that the money was made funny, and we have to bail these folks out.

Of course, that’s after they assured us that they could police themselves.

We don’t need to be raising taxes right now, that’s right. But if you think about it for a second, that’s the same reason why you don’t cut spending in a recession.

If you really look at our problem, it’s not that we’re not being lent to. We’re being lent to on very cheap terms, because folks think we’re good for it.

The problem is the economy’s crappy, and it’s been crippled in a way it hasn’t been for a long time. There is literally nobody alive who’s faced an economic downturn this severe, and that’s even with all the rescue measures we took.

What we need are effective stimulus projects, helping our economy recover for the long term at key points so we can stop borrowing so much money, and start getting people paying into the treasury again. Then we can solve the debt problem. I mean, if you think I’m wrong about this, then answer a simple question: who pays more taxes, the guy with a job, or the guy without one?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 25, 2011 3:56 PM
Comment #323549

Typical of you Stephen, BORROW MORE, and it’s republicans fault BS. We don’t need anymore stimulous since the last one proved to be a flop. What we need is competent leadership which we don’t have in either party. We need to cut spending not borrow more which would put us deeper in debt.

Posted by: KAP at May 25, 2011 4:12 PM
Comment #323575

KAP-
You say the last one proved to be a flop, but the CBO numbers and the numbers of many economists say otherwise.

Such an easy thing to say those words, to repeat them until they become a consensus among a certain set.

The question is, what are the grounds for the claim? I can point to a great many independent reports. I can even point to Republicans jockeying for stimulus money. What are your sources pointing to, other than, well, other Republicans and Right Wing sources?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 26, 2011 4:32 PM
Comment #323589

Well lets see Stephen, I think unemployment is still at 9%, stimulous money was given to corporations who haven’t paid their fair share of taxes, housing market in the tank, a debt that your great great grand kids won’t be able to pay. Where is the success in it Stephen, if I could have goten some of that money I would have never mind the republicans and democrats that profited from it.

Posted by: KAP at May 26, 2011 10:42 PM
Comment #323599
KAP wrote: if I could have goten some of that money I would have never mind the republicans and democrats that profited from it.

So you’re only opposed to politicians profiteering if you can’t get a piece of the action?

You should run for office. You’ve got the exact shuck, jive and gimme mentality that’s just right for Washington politics.

Posted by: Gary St. Lawrence at May 27, 2011 2:04 AM
Comment #323608

It was just an example of how when the government throws almost a trillion dollars up in the air people start comming out of the woodwork. You can’t tell me GSL you wouldn’t if given half a chance grab some yourself.

Posted by: KAP at May 27, 2011 10:24 AM
Comment #323614
You can’t tell me GSL you wouldn’t if given half a chance grab some yourself.


Actually, I *CAN* tell you that.

You see, unlike you and the politicians you claim to hate, I have ethics and wouldn’t take money glad-handed when I know there are people who genuinely need it more than I do.

That’s why you’re a hypocrite. You claim to despise politicians, but you then say you’d do exactly what you complain about them doing if you had the chance to do so.

Posted by: Gary St. Lawrence at May 27, 2011 12:34 PM
Comment #323617

GSL, Do you get tax refunds? Did you take the first stimulous check Bush handed out? Did you accept the lower taxes that the Obama stimulous gave you? If you answer yes to any of them you just made yourself into a hypocrite because we all got them.

Posted by: KAP at May 27, 2011 1:08 PM
Comment #323648

Yes, I take tax refunds because it is MY MONEY being RETURNED TO ME, and I don’t get the interest that the government makes on it.

No, I never received a stimulus check of any kind. I didn’t qualify (make too much, no dependents).

So, I’d love to hear your version of this. Tell us exactly how getting a refund of *TAXES THAT I OVERPAID* makes me a hypocrite.

And please, explain to us what the process is that one would use to *NOT* accept a lower tax rate. Tell us, from your vast wisdom, how would someone go about telling the government, “No, I want to pay the higher rate.”

I am amazed and amused at how you’re somehow able to equate tax refunds and lower tax rates with Eric Cantor holding federal disaster aid money ransom while pumping billions into his beloved Israel.

Please, explain.

Posted by: Gary St. Lawrence at May 29, 2011 2:23 AM
Comment #323652

As you said GSL give it to people that need it!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: KAP at May 29, 2011 9:23 AM
Comment #323654

By the way stimulus money is OUR TAX DOLLARS. And also all you have to do is tell the payroll accountant on your W4 to add whatever percentage extra you want them to take out. Then they with hold at the higher rate then when refund time comes you can give it to those who need it as you said.

Posted by: KAP at May 29, 2011 9:38 AM
Comment #323713
KAP wrote: By the way stimulus money is OUR TAX DOLLARS. And also all you have to do is tell the payroll accountant on your W4 to add whatever percentage extra you want them to take out. Then they with hold at the higher rate then when refund time comes you can give it to those who need it as you said.


I would say that you’re circular logic, but that would falsely imply that A) your thought processes follow an identifiable pattern, and B) you’re using logic, period.

But neither is the case.

You equated my accepting a tax refund of my own money to Eric Cantor holding Joplin relief aid hostage, and then you equated the Joplin relief aid to TARP/Stimulus funding. And now you’re trying to loop TARP/Stimulus funding back to my tax refund.

You’re trying to compare apples to hammers, and making a fool of yourself in the process.

Let’s just agree to agree that you have no argument other than lame Fox News talking points and buzz words, and be done with it.

Posted by: Gary St. Lawrence at May 31, 2011 12:55 AM
Comment #323720

No GSL I do not equate you accepting your tax refund of your own money to Cantor holding Joplin relief hostage. I equated that stimulous money is our tax dollars also why not use the unspent dollars for Joplin. We can also cut unnecessary spending. But as far as me accepting a stimulous check it’s my money in that mix why not accept it. I’m sure I can put it to better use than our government can, even donaste it to disaster relief.

Posted by: KAP at May 31, 2011 10:43 AM
Comment #323721

So my accepting tax refunds and no stimulus check makes me a hypocrite but you accepting tax refunds and stimulus checks DOESN’T make you a hypocrite.

Newsflash: You’re a hypocrite.

Why do you insist on trying the change the subject with these asinine, off-topic rants about tax refunds and stimulus checks?

The ISSUE is that scumbag Cantor denying federal aid to Joplin while simultaneously forking over billions to his beloved Isreal.

But you don’t want to address that. Instead, you jump through the standard Fox News divert-and-distract routine.

I’m done discussing this with you. You make no sense whatsoever and you’re not interested in facts, just insipid and self-defeating rants.

Posted by: Gary St. Lawrence at May 31, 2011 12:07 PM
Comment #323722

GSL, I did address the Cantor issue, if we stop aid to Israel we need to stop aid to all. Besides Cantor is right in some ways we need to cut spending in other areas much like the debate with extending unemployment benefits a year or so ago. Many have wondered why with unspent stimulous money why it wasn’t taken from it much like what I am saying, we have unspent stimulous use it. We have other disasters like floods from the Mississippi, Joplin and other areas that were struck by Tornadoes and comming into Hurricane season. Where in your infinite wisdom GSL are we supposed to get the funds to aid in these disasters. In an earlier post I did state to use stimulous money to aid these victims. If you would have read the first of my comments you would see the later are smart a** comments to Stephen D.

Posted by: KAP at May 31, 2011 12:39 PM
Comment #323727
KAP wrote: If you would have read the first of my comments you would see the later are smart a** comments to Stephen D.


Nice spin, but nowhere near the truth. Suppose you explain to us, in YOUR infinite wisdom, exactly how the following is “smarts** comments to Stephen D”.


KAP wrote: GSL, Do you get tax refunds? Did you take the first stimulous check Bush handed out? Did you accept the lower taxes that the Obama stimulous gave you? If you answer yes to any of them you just made yourself into a hypocrite because we all got them.


I already said that *ALL* foreign aid should/must be stopped. So that puts your argument about that to sleep.

But now you keep insisting on babbling about tax refunds and stimulus money.

What is so difficult for you to comprehend about the HYPOCRISY of Cantor’s holding AMERICAN aid ransom while advocating the continued and INCREASED pumping of billions to Israel?

So let me say it in as few syllables as possible so even you might understand: STOP ***ALL*** FOREIGN AID NOW AND APPLY THAT MONEY TO AIDING AMERICA AND AMERICANS.

And while we’re at it, I’d like to see Cantor jailed for conspiracy and treason against Americans.

Is *that* simple enough for you?

Posted by: Gary St. Lawrence at May 31, 2011 4:16 PM
Comment #323731

GSL, Keep dreaming, we both know foreign aid will never stop no matter what party is in power. Excuse me that was a smart a** comment to you to but there were some to Stephen. By the way we should jail all of congress not just Cantor, for theft, treason, incompetence and just plain stupidity. The last 2 aren’t jailable offence though but they should be especially in the case of Obama, Reid and Pelosi and we could throw Bohner in the mix.

Posted by: KAP at May 31, 2011 4:47 PM
Comment #323784

KAP-
Would you prefer 11%?

The preliminary numbers for fourth quarter 2008 had our economy dropping by about 3.8%. That was the biggest drop in almost three decades.

That was what we based the assumptions for the stimulus on. Then, after the Stimulus was signed and in the pipe, we find the economy contracted by 6.2%.

Obviously, the former’s going to put fewer people out of work, both during that quarter and after (since economic downturns have a tendency to compound themselves). That’s the one we designed the stimulus for. We were trying to reason with you folks, but most of you weren’t having any of it.

As for your lost comment?

Here’s my honest opinion: I have seen people get more cynical and more passive about Washington, and the net results from all that bad attitude has been a crappier and crappier attitude as people get more used to the idea that the folks up there are supposed to be morons, criminals and degenerates.

I’d say never get used to it. Never let a recognition of how bad things become a failure to imagine that it could be any better. Democracy only works if people constantly forge forward to improve things, if people constantly select against those who show false leadership, who talk big but govern like dumbasses, and select for people who are competent, responsible and flexible enough to deal with the real world, with a complex reality that doesn’t checklist our ideology before it chooses to behave like it will.

Republicans and folks on the right need to own up to what they’ve chosen: a mass of contradictions built around opposing Democrats, Liberals, and the legacy of the New Deal and the Great Society.

Democrats and folks on the left need to face that decades of being pounded back and pounded down by the Republicans have left their scares, and left us burdened with the people we chose as expedient answers to the Republicans, rather than competent alternatives to them.

Folks in the middle need to face up to the fact that the two sides are never equivalent, but more importantly that there is more to choose than just Republican and Democrat, and that for too long, the choice to vote Republican has been an abdication of the choice of what your government should be like and who it should be serving. Under the guise of shrinking government and freeing people from its tyranny what the Republicans really did was corrupt it into a plaything of the special interests that is not smaller, not cheaper, and certainly not any friendlier to the interests of the average person.

The reason to vote for the Democrats isn’t any proud one. It’s simply that Democrats are easier to pressure into actually doing things for the average person, and have a base who will support things being done, rather than just accept the latest rationalization of the latest betrayal of the public interest by the Republicans

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 1, 2011 3:21 PM
Comment #323790

Stephen no I do not prefer 11% but in all actuality it’s above that if they include all the facts. As far as political parties go I don’t trust any of them as far as I can throw them, both are after one thing and that’s the almighty dollar. Neither can care less about you or me and when you get older you may realize that fact.

Posted by: KAP at June 1, 2011 4:29 PM
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