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Don't let Donald Trump do a Ross Perot on you.

Don’t let Donald Trump divide the Republican party.

Ross Perot sucked votes from the Conservative movement to allow an unknown Democratic to be elected to the office of the U.S. President.

Donald Trump will do the same. He will divide the Republican Party and allow a second reinforcement to the ObamaNation.

If Donald Trump were nominated by the Republican Party as a candidate for the office of the President, I would welcome his candidacy, with enthuseasm.

Don't let Donald Trump pull a Ross Perot on you! Don't allow Donald Trump access to a third party apparatice.

If he can't get nominated by the Republican Party for President then he should not run as an independent and split the vote.

Donald Trump, don't do a Ross Perot on us!

Posted by Weary Willie at April 30, 2011 7:08 PM
Comment #322573

Thankyou. You just gave me reason to support Trump for president. I certainly hope more people read your blog. :-)

Posted by: Jason at April 30, 2011 8:43 PM
Comment #322578

Trump for President!!! :) A great idea you came up with, O weary one!!! An *independent* Trump campaign!!! Where do I donate?

Posted by: steve miller at April 30, 2011 9:24 PM
Comment #322579

The tea party is doing a fairly good job of dividing the Republicans. Boehner just figured how many jobs the Ryan budget plan is going to cost his district, he knows the liberals are dying to exploit that, so he is busy trying to write his district out of the budget plan; and the Senate Republicans don’t even want to talk to Rand Paul or vote on the Ryan budget.

Posted by: jlw at April 30, 2011 10:00 PM
Comment #322583

After all the repub/conservative/tea party attempts over the past 3 years to get the birth certificate to no avail. Along comes Trump to the national political scene and does what they can’t, and was not shy about claiming credit for doing so. He must be a hero to many on the right, some who are birthers and some who just want the birthers to shut up for the good of the repub party.

Give him his due, he leads Obama in the polls. Nominate him repubs and win or divide the party and lose. It is that simple, good post Weary.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 30, 2011 10:47 PM
Comment #322584

Most importantly conservatives, Obama has called him out. The first blow has been struck.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 30, 2011 10:52 PM
Comment #322585

IMO Trump is just stirring crap up with the liberal Democrats and IMO it’s working,MSNBC night people Trump is all they can talk about. I really don’t think he will run either as a republican or independent.

Posted by: KAP at April 30, 2011 10:56 PM
Comment #322588

This is good. Oh, this is good. Trump running for president. I think some conservatives are going to wake up in a month or two and be very, very embarrassed about ever supporting such a self-promoting, egomaniacal buffoon as the Republican candidate. Trump supporters obviously have no idea about his background or character, other than his performance as a reality star boss. This is priceless. Really. Please continue promoting him for the GOP nomination as much as possible. He capsulizes the conservative movement to a ‘T’. Keep it up.

And by the way, congratulations on throwing your support behind Trump. It was no easy thing, finding an even bigger joke than Bachman or Palin. but somehow conservatives have settled on the Donald. Nice.

Posted by: phx8 at May 1, 2011 2:03 AM
Comment #322590

Ross Perot and 1992. Easterbook argues that George H.W. Bush lost because the Texas billionaire “siphoned off conservative votes.” False.

The endurance of this particular myth, regular readers will recognize, is particularly bothersome to me, and I’ve written about it several times. Easterbrook is hardly the only one who’s still pushing it. I can’t tell you how many times I have heard someone matter-of-factly make this claim in the past few years. Generally, it’s from conservatives who like to pretend that Bill Clinton’s ‘92 victory was a fluke, but there are liberals who still fall for it too.

Instead of recounting all of the details of the ‘92 race here, I’ll simply refer you to one of my previous posts on the subject. If you want the Cliff’s Notes version it goes like this: (1) Economic anxiety was high, causing Bush’s poll numbers to drop to poisonous levels — by the fall of ‘92 he was not an incumbent who, on paper, should have won reelection; (2) Not a single public opinion poll from the middle of July (when Perot dropped out the race) through the end of September (when Perot returned) gave Bush a lead over Clinton — not even in the immediate wake of the August ‘92 GOP convention. In fact, Clinton’s average lead in this period was double-digits — and the race was not tightening at the time Perot jumped back in; (3) A comprehensive national exit poll found that Perot voters were divided almost evenly on their second choice and that Clinton — in a two-way race — would still have beaten Bush by 5.8 million votes (his actual margin was 5.3 million in initial ‘92 tally). Here’s how the Washington Post summarized the exit poll:

Ross Perot’s presence on the 1992 presidential ballot did not change the outcome of the election, according to an analysis of the second choices of Perot supporters.

The analysis, based on exit polls conducted by Voter Research & Surveys (VRS) for the major news organizations, indicated that in Perot’s absence, only Ohio would have have shifted from the Clinton column to the Bush column. This would still have left Clinton with a healthy 349-to-189 majority in the electoral college.

And even in Ohio, the hypothetical Bush “margin” without Perot in the race was so small that given the normal margin of error in polls, the state still might have stuck with Clinton absent the Texas billionaire.

In most states, the second choices of Perot voters only reinforced the actual outcome. For example, California, New York, Illinois and Oregon went to Clinton by large margins, and Perot voters in those states strongly preferred Clinton to Bush.

Repeat after me: Ross Perot did not “cost” George H.W. Bush the 1992 election. If you see or hear a commentator using this claim as supporting evidence, immediately discount whatever argument that commentator is advancing. The poor economy doomed George H.W. Bush in 1992 — not a short billionaire from Texas.

Posted by: savetheusa at May 1, 2011 7:52 AM
Comment #322594

KAP, when you look at the field of repub presidential aspirants Trump actually look good, despite his obvious issues. Like PHX said, Pain, Bachmann and I might add Santorum all have that far right extremist fringe appeal that is scary to most Americans. Romney seems to want to lynch the black guy, Christie is a thug that has no integrity in his lust for power and Daniels has the Bush boat anchor around his neck. The Fox news guy Huckabee is tainted, in the minds of many, due to his association with the propagandist station. The choices are nauseating in repub presidential candidates at this point.

Despite that most of us still want some kind of choice in presidential candidates. Isn’t there a viable repub candidate out there someplace? The conservative movement followers/tea party extremist that dissed McCain have made the repubs a joke at this point and it is disturbing as no one wants one party rule in this Country.

Ross where are you? Your Country needs you.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 1, 2011 10:49 AM
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The conservative GOP will unite behind the big money candidate, Romney. They are easy tools, easy to fool, and when the time comes they will do what they are told. Romney will refashion himself as a deficit hawk, and even though it is obviously not true and everyone knows it this day, give the conservative GOP a long enough and they will spout all sorts of echo chamber nonsense about their love for Romney.

In the meantime, the attacks on Obama will intensify. What will he be next week? A socialist tyrant? A weak conciliator? The hatred will be directed at him personally, with the added fuel of racism giving the hate sauce that extra special conservative Birther piquancy we’ve all come to know so well.

Posted by: phx8 at May 1, 2011 11:23 AM
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The fact that 54% of Trump’s political donations have gone to Democrats could be a factor for Republicans. But, he is going to get tough on the Chinese. Put a 25% tax on good from China. I wonder if he would exempt his line of clothing that’s manufactured in China.

Posted by: jlw at May 1, 2011 11:49 AM
Comment #322601

Trump tossed the Birthers some red meat and they went wild. So few take them seriously, yet they constitute at least a quarter of the GOP, so it only took a little attention from that carnival barker to obtain their support.

The article comparing Trump to Perot is odd, to say the least. Conservatives have a way of constructing alternate versions of history, then referring to them in shorthand, as if this makes it true… Perot cost Bush an election… Carter was a terrible president… Obama is a socialist tyrant… and so on.

Posted by: phx8 at May 1, 2011 12:11 PM
Comment #322606

I fail to see the concern as to next duopoly presidential candidate. Can someone cite any real difference between President Obama and ex-President George Bush?

Bush carried two wars; so did Obama. Bush spent big money that we didn’t have; Obama followed suit. Bush helped send some 3M of our best jobs overseas; Obama followed suit. Bush promised to ‘create jobs’ Obama followed suit. Bush said he would straighten our China on manipulation, others; Obama has said the same with the same results. No Child Left Behind, immigration, drilling for oil, etc.

I’ve voted for Nader as he advertises to abolish corporate personhood. I hope he or someone will run 3rd party to abolish corporate personhood this time.

Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at May 1, 2011 1:55 PM
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Roy, Perhaps a slight rhetorical difference, but no significant difference, especially after he signed the Obama tax cuts for the wealthy.

I plan to vote for Nader again even if he is dead before the next election.

I wish I had voted for Perot, because he was the only one on the stage that wasn’t lying. I think he was more successful that he has been given credit for because the number of voters who have declared themselves independents has grown steadily since many of his predictions have basically come true. “That Giant Sucking Sound” became reality, except the jobs went to China and India rather than Mexico. Not that we didn’t create jobs in Mexico, the drug cartels are employing thousands across Mexico and in the U.S.

I just wish the independents had more choices.

Obama had a choice, he could try to deal with the countries situation within the frame work of the corpocracy or he could have gone to the people and asked for their support in taking on Congress and the corpocracy. If he had chosen the latter I believe he could have gotten the support from the from the majority of voters and perhaps excited more people to vote who have given up, because they are disgusted with the Congress. He chose the latter.

I believe that is partly why his favorable rating has suffered.

Republicans like to point out Obama’s rating while ignoring the fact the the disapproval rating for Congress is at 73.5%. We are still on the wrong track.

Phx8, the birthers have made him a hero. Now he needs another issue that will appeal to another 25% of the Republicans and I hope he finds it because the Republicans deserve the )%*$(.

Posted by: jlw at May 1, 2011 3:09 PM
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jlw, I believe the jobs went to Mexico first and when China became WTO’d the jobs moved there. Leaving Mexico in a lurch, some businesses remained and some maquiladoras (sweat shops) still exist. Now, the business is drugs and immigration. Some 35k murdered. But, as we well know, Corporations speak to the bottom line, not messy social issues.

I heard a talking head this morning relate that we will beat China in the end because they only have 3B people from which to pull resources and the US has 7B (world population). Seens a stretch to have that many H-1B visas. Maybe he intends the US to bestow citizenship on the world. Or, more likely, one world gov’t, anybody, anywhere, anytime. Have no papers, will travel, etc.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at May 1, 2011 3:52 PM
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Roy, I could be mistaken, but I think quite a number of jobs went to Mexico, along the border even before NAFTA. The unions followed them down and the Mexican workers were receptive. Some of the jobs moved to Southern Mexico, the unions followed. The jobs went to right wing Honduras where the unions could not follow.

The Purpose of NAFTA was not so companies could move to Mexico, they could do that without NAFTA. The purpose of NAFTA was to throw the borders open. More workers are needed to support the baby boomers moving out of the workforce and into retirement.

It would be very expensive to set up a Ellis Island type immigrant center and bring people in in quotas, not to mention the peoples resentment of such a set up. NAFTA was the cheapest and fastest way to bring them in. The Obama Administration is now trying to single out the criminal elements and deport them.

Africa Roy. The U.S. taxpayers have invested a lot in African infrastructure and now the investors are ready to start moving in. Even China is investing in Africa.

Vermont is trying to pass a single-payer health care plan. They must do so within the guidelines of Obama care.
This means that they have to continue to allow private health insures to do business in the state which partially defeats the purpose of reducing costs.

In addition, they cannot allow illegal immigrants to participate which is causing them a lot of flack from immigrant advocates. Seems there are quite a number of illegal immigrants working for the dairy industry in Vermont.

Posted by: jlw at May 1, 2011 6:32 PM
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WHCD: “Donald Trump has been saying that he is going to run for president as a Republican - which is surprising since I assumed he was running as a joke.”

“Donald Trump often appears on Fox, which is ironic, because a fox often appears on Donald Trump’s head.”

Seth Myers.

Posted by: jlw at May 2, 2011 10:35 AM
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