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Immigration And 2012 Elections

Some highlights from a Washington Post article on the census and immigration.

  • More than half of Maryland’s 66K new residents in 2009 were Hispanic.
  • A third of VA’s 113k new residents were Hispanic.
  • More than half of the nations 3M new residents are Hispanic and of the 1.5M, seven out of 10 were born here.
  • 50M new Hispanic residents over 10 years, 2000-2010.
  • Minorities now make up 35% of the population.
  • Asians make up 5% of the population and Africans 12%.
  • More than half the children in CA and NM are Hispanic, one in four across the nation.

Their numbers more than doubled in Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, North Carolina and Tennessee, for example, and almost doubled in many other states, including Virginia. Seven states would have lost population if it weren’t for Hispanics.

The 2012 election cycle is kicking off and one has to ponder how the immigration factor will play into politics. I would suggest John McCain has no idea which way he will vote on immigration.

With minorities at 35% of the population and another 15-20% in the wings by 2050, will political support for immigration increase proportionally?

The Corpocracy has succeeded in replenishing workers, getting them through the system and on to social security, etc. While they have done so illegally, failing to enforce the nation’s immigration laws, they may very well be able to ‘legalize’ themselves by legislating new amnesty or similar for undocumented aliens.

Seems the Fed. and SS ponzi maws must be replenished at all cost, least the system will blow up bigtime. The Corpocracy is apparently running scared as this comment suggest:

“A tsunami is building and ready to hit future generations, but this one won’t be set off by earthquakes or other natural disasters. Instead, it will be a fiscal calamity created by the failure of government and business leaders to deal with the financial drain of millions of retiring baby boomers.” —David Walker, U.S. Comptroller General

Let’s see, if 3M immigrants have been coming to the US for the past 30 years that should be close to 90M. Consider the 80M retiring boomers, jobs lost to automation, robots, etc, seems about a wash. I saw a robot slicing up a side of pork recently. Looked like about twenty times faster than a worker with a sharp knife.

Russia is having the same problem, a diminishing population, older work force, etc and they are turning to immigration for a solution. Japan and a number of EU countries are looking for new workers as well.

Just saw a documentary on trash collection/disposal around the world. Micro to inch sized plastics washed upon, covering once pristine coastal areas of the world. Oceans filled with floating flotsam, trash of every country washed down from the rivers. 300k of the big whales, Minsk I believe, where there was once 3M. a member of the big cat family in Russia down to a total of 40, etc. Then there is the 10-25% under-unemployed.

I’m thinking fewer people might be a good thing for this country and the world at large. Maybe give technology a chance to catch up and take some pressure of the critters that share our world. Foremost, thinking that this country should enforce the laws on the books lest we open the gates to lawlessness.

I'm not sure why someone would throw their hat in the ring to run this country with immigration, unemployment, debt, three wars, etc. It will be interesting, IMO.

Posted by Roy Ellis at March 29, 2011 12:41 AM
Comment #320804

The numbers don’t lie.

When local municipalities in Arizona have now begun putting the voicemail and automated phone systems in Spanish first and “Press 2 for English,” it’s gone beyond the pale of the Statue of Liberty’s greeting.

It’s called an infestation.

But let’s not be mean to them … they might not vote for us, right Washington?

Posted by: Gary St. Lawrence at March 29, 2011 11:11 AM
Comment #320813

Roy, our economy is dependent on constant growth punctuated by economic bubbles and inflationary periods. That constant growth, despite current automated technology, is dependent on a constant resupply of low wage workers. Thus the economic resistance to population controls. Then there are the religious objections.

I deplore the governments disrespect for and violation of immigration laws. I deplore the employers.

But, if I were a Mexican peon, it would be America, sink, swim, or doggy paddle, for me.

It has been considered inevitable for quite some time that whites would loose their majority status, this just accelerates the pace.

Put 100 mice in an enclosed environment, give them more food and water than they can consume and they will multiply until they drown in their own waste.

“Maybe give technology a chance to catch up”

The promise of technology is the elimination of the need for a human workforce. It would make a worker/consumer economy obsolete. Call me crazy, but I don’t think that outcome would create a Garden of Eden for 10 billion humans.

Posted by: jlw at March 29, 2011 5:14 PM
Comment #320828

Then why would you entertain this idea, jlw?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 29, 2011 8:55 PM
Comment #320833

Ver gud point, WW. A whole bunch of wrongs don’t make a right.

Just heard a ‘futurist’ talking this pm. Sez man and machine will soon become one, integrated and wired. A computer will be plugged into (sewed in?) and numerous sensors, like blood pressure, pulse, ekg, vitamin tester, etc, all such info xmitted to the doc’s computer/database. You wan’t need a check book, money, CC, etc as your body’s computer will handle all such transactions. Want to call you girlie in jersey just say “call my girlie”. The computer will ask “which girlie, the one in gurnsey or jersey” and you say “jersey”. Then your computer dials up girlie in jersey on your implanted wireless phone. Your eye will serve as your Internet laptop and so on.

I’m not sure a guy, so wired, could really do much work like loggin, fire fighting, etc but the Corpocracy usually gets their way. So, plan to get wired, or take up a career in logging, jlw.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at March 29, 2011 10:53 PM
Comment #320834

Roy, sure they will get hard wired with direct mental links to the WWW if it becomes possible. You know why? For a competitive edge in the fast paced corporate world.

Artificial Intelligence is a whole different game. AI’s with human intelligence make humans obsolete. They can be put, rather, they can put themselves into any thing, a tank, a lawn mower, a sushi chef, etc. They can have multi-task bodies, perhaps not as dramatic as ‘Transformers’, but in that fashion. They will be manufacturing many of their kind.

No human, including those with computers in their head or wired to the web, will be able to think as fast or multi-task as well as an AI.

Will these things happen? Probably so, and sooner than one might think, the 2050 date seems appropriate.

Can we prevent it from happening” Not likely. Ever heard of the Luddites?

We can hope that they are equipped with Asimov positronic brains that can’t disobey the 3 Laws of Robotics, or other fail safe device, otherwise, “resistance is futile”

“Resistance is Futile!”

Capital is what decides the right and the wrong of it. We made our pact. If it makes a profit, it can’t be wrong.

Corpocracy has decreed a New World Order, that means standardization of all laws relating to work and doing business.

Is the tea party going after capital or the corpocracy? Hell no, there going after the mote in corpocracy’s eye.

When the baby boomers begin to die off, the white population will begin to drop like a rock.

There is still an opportunity to invest in property along the right away of the Trans America Highway.

What do you think fellas? Do you think the Luddites can win this time and stop progress?

Posted by: jlw at March 30, 2011 1:15 AM
Comment #320875

Quite so, jlw. We only need to support a new 3rd party with a different political attitude — oversight, etc with a designed mission to abolish corporate personhood.

Following that we re-instate anti-trust law. If a corp excceds a $$ limit, or is seen to squelch innovation, monopolize or conglomerize then then that corp is anti-trusted and broken up into smaller more productive entities. All good, no bad, and nobody gets hardwired/integrated.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at March 30, 2011 10:34 PM
Comment #320936

Roy, IMO, the most telling statistic of all is that 2/3 of the voters are investors. As that number has grown, corporate power has grown. The outsourcing of jobs and the insourcing of cheap labor have become increasingly acceptable venues for increasing profits for investors. The taxes on capital and wealth have decreased, the deficits have skyrocketed, and the scapegoating on behalf of eliminating social spending has increased proportionately.

The corpocracy owes most of it’s success to the IRA and the 401K.

Posted by: jlw at April 1, 2011 1:52 PM
Comment #320946

Jlw, corporate welfare for nuke energy is $7.1B yearly. Estimates are that corporate welfare receives around $100B yearly. Unions are players too.

I read in today’s Washington Post where Va. officials evicted some dozens of homeless campers from a VDOT right-of-way in Prince William County. Going to take a lot more pain and misery to get peoples attention. Should be pretty hot in the kitchen by election time.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at April 1, 2011 6:31 PM
Comment #320959

Roy, haven’t you heard, homeless people are homeless by choice.

Don’t you know, everything will be right with America again when 25% of the people are working for the dream of a cardboard home and 1 square a day. At least, that is what Beck is selling.

Posted by: jlw at April 1, 2011 11:35 PM
Comment #320990

jlw, you sure are down on this Beck fellow. He and O’Rilley toute their shows as ‘no spin’, ‘the truth and nothing but the truth’, etc. O’Rilley says that FOX has their hard core right wingers such as Hannity.

As far as I can tell Beck and O’Rilley tell it like it is. Put another way, IMO, those two account for FOX’s high rating by viewers. I wouldn’t think far lefties or righties would watch either show.

I suggest you don’t give up on Beck, jlw. I believe the Republs will take the Executive next go around and you can see how Beck operates under a Repub admin. I recall he gave the Bushie’s a hard time.

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