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A Snapshot In Time

Ethics: Charlie Rangel, five term Congressman, hits the courts in September, charged with a number of alleged violations. In March he was asked to give up the Chairmanship of the House Ways And Means Committee.

Education: The US has fallen from 1st to 12th in degree holders between 25 and 34 years of age. Canada is now the leader with 55.8% of that age group holding degrees as of 2007. I would suggest the reason is, in keeping with the New World Order (NWO) US learning institutions are loaded with foreign students , anchor babies coming of age, etc and not that U.S. students aren’t interested in pursuing an education. For example: Bush wanted to import 40K nurses to fill a nursing shortage, while that many nursing student applicants are refused entry to US schools each year as ‘they aren’t enough faculty and facilities’ to handle them. What I refer to as the Corpocracy working to break the back of the middle class.

Education Secretary, Arne Duncan proposed that for-profit colleges be required to show students are carrying too much debt. If they are, colleges could lose federal aid. The Education Dept released 13 other regulatory changes to higher education in mid-June. You must be aware the FEDERAL gov’t has their nose in every facet of your life (unconstitutional) and use the carrot and the stick with the states to ensure they carry out the fed requirements to the letter (unconstitutional). Does your Constitution refer to the Federal government as the in-charge man for education, or withholding funds from the states to get their way?

Immigration: Gun battles between gangs that forced people from their cars in order to block the streets paralyzed the border town of Nuevo Laredo recently, alarming people on the US side of the border.

And, don’t you know, druggies are now using cell phones to set off their car bombs, just like those other ter-r—r- errr - - our other neighbors in the middle east.

Also, Russia is accusing the US DEA of kidnapping a Russian pilot as he was attempting to fly out of Monrovia, Liberia. The DEA believes he was smuggling thousand kilogram quantities of cocaine throughout South America, Africa and Europe.

Meanwhile, the FED is suing the state of Az for trying to protect their state and citizens. This, as the Corpocracy has refused to control the Southern border. Never mind that heads are being lopped off, the gov’t of Mexico threatened, $100B (you can’t prove it ain’t) yearly in drugs crossing the border, assaults on Border Patrol ramping up, ad infinitum. The problem is largely misunderstood by U.S. citizens. The problem relates more to WTO regulations concerning impediments to people movement around the world, to globalization and NWO. And, the Corpocracy, from a pure economic point of view, and their effort to break the back of the middle class, is more attentive to the WTO people movement regulations (is that Constitutional) than , say, the WTO regulation against any government subsidizing the production/manufacture of anything. For example: the US gov’t subsidizes (taxpayers) cotton production and then pays big fines (taxpayers) levied by the WTO for doing so. The Corpocracy will let this one slide as it works to break the back of the middle class in getting the taxpayers ready to compete in the global economy.

Environment: Another hurricane is impeding the cleanup of the BP oil disaster. The gusher has pumped some tens of millions of gallons of oil into Gulf waters. BP is having foreign relations problems as they are suspect in negotiating with one or more government’s on behalf of Libya to release the Lockerbie bomber. Following the bomber’s release BP was awarded a $900M oil contract with Libya. Meanwhile an oil spill in China has dumped 400,000 gallons of oil into the Yellow, now black, river. Volunteers are using their hands, chopsticks, small wood planks and plastic bags to clean up the northeastern coast.

Late reports hold that 3 out of 4 oil and gas lobbyists representing oil and gas companies previously worked for the federal government. I would of thought the figure was higher? Key lobbying hires include 18 former members of Congress and dozens of former presidential appointees, or CZARS. With 600 registered lobbyists, the energy industry is among the most powerful contingents in Washington, able to block gov’t regulations in a single bound. To the rescue, none other than Ken Salazar, Interior Secretary, overseer of the Minerals and Mining Safety, the regulators known for their cozy relationship with BP. Ken has pledged to close the revolving door. It’s 10pm, do you know where your gov’t is?

Meanwhile, China is building something like half a dozen coal fired plants monthly. And, they will need lots of oil, as will India, when they put a couple of billion new drivers on the road over the next few years. The US has plenty of natural gas for years to come but it seems the Corpocracy will stick with the oil business until that is depleted before turning on the gas. I just hope my bottled water is not coming from the Yellow river area, or anywhere outside my county.

Politics: Now, Tom Tancredo (Colorado), is pushing a move to impeach President Obama. He believes Obama is akin to Al Queda and, if left unattended, will destroy the Constitution. He cites Obama’s refusal to secure the Southern border as one piece of evidence.

Noteworthy that the Chamber of Commerce (CofC) is placing big bets against Obama. And, Progressive elements of the Democratic Party are taking voice against Obama as well. The pundits are suggesting that if the Dems do poorly in the mid-term elections, the Party will turn to Bill and Hill to carry the day for the liberal agenda.

Newt Gingrich seems to be testing the waters for a run in 2012. He is pushing the idea of a ‘fair tax’. IMO, a fair tax is similar to our current tax policy with some code changes. Still leaves the Corpocracy to manipulate the tax code to control your ‘wealth’ and retains their power to make winners and losers. Nope, a flat tax is what we need. Instructions on one side and the form on the other. ALL pay the same rate, no deductions, no nothing. Just a flat percent of your gross income. Now, that’s a ‘fair’ tax.

Meanwhile, in the small town of Bell, Calif, couch potatoes took to the street, demanding the outster of their City Mgr, $800k/yr, their police Chief, 450k/yr, and an asst mgr, 375k/yr. FINALLY, a piece of good news. People actually holding their elected officials accountable,

Asked how he would create more jobs if the Republican’s come to power, Boehner (R-Oh) stated that he would push through some free trade bills now sitting on Obama’s desk. IMO, it’s the free trade bills that ushered in the ‘greatest xfer of wealth in the history of mankind’. But, that’s our choice, we can ping-ping, or we can ping-pong, that’s about it. The Corpocracy really won’t mind which way we jump,

Foreign Relations: North Korea threatens to ‘get physical’ if the US and S. Kor. carry through with planned military maneuvers. We will probably need to check in with China on this one.

And, speaking of China, the heads of some US and European multinationals speak of a deteriorating business environment in China, citing problems on intellectual property rights, an ‘indigenous innovation’ policy which requires firms to transfer their latest technology to China. Financial and banking entities are also complaining of China’s policies.

Defense: Since 9/11 the intelligence business is up some 250%, creating or revamping some 263 organizations. The Wash Post noted there are 51 federal organizations and/or military organizations that track the flow of money to terrorist organizations. Some $75B annually spent on intelligence programs. Between 1998 and 2011 defense spending rose from $271B to $580B or 114% and the US share of global military spending rose from 1/3 to ½. I wonder how 9/11 can be equated to WWII as evidenced by all this defense spending? Could we afford to fight a real war at these prices? Come on, N. Kor, can’t we talk about it?

Money: Forty one cents of each dollar the government spends is borrowed money.

The unemployment bill was passed into law. A person can remain eligible for benefits for a peeriod of 99 weeks. I tell everybody I know that Eric Cantor will find them a job if they will just call him.

Glenn Beck: Swore today that he is now a ‘revolutionary’. He’s about 3 years behind me on that front. Republic Sentry Party with a different political attitude and all that - - -

That’s a wrap for this half-hour.

Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by Roy Ellis at July 24, 2010 10:37 AM
Comments
Comment #304328

No complaints here, good update and very scary. Forget gold, invest in guns and ammunition, the price will never go down. But Obama and those who fear an armed citizenry will raise the taxes on guns and ammo. “We don’t have 2nd amendment problems, we’ll just tax them out of your hands.”

Posted by: Beretta9 at July 24, 2010 1:22 PM
Comment #304342

Beretta9-
I love the idea of taking advice from the people who made investing in guns and ammo more necessary.

Frankly, I think reason leads people better than just mere emotion. The politicians in Washington and elsewhere can always co-opt a mood, always promise to be the candidates of whatever particular fad is at work.

Only when we approach our leaders with a sound idea of what they’re really doing, can we hold them accountable all that well. Only when we’re not merely reacting emotionally to policy and its results, but are seeing clearly the causality of one towards the other can we run this country well.

I look at the right, though, and I see people too befuddled by their leaders and news-sources to notice that the mess they’re in is primarily the result of the kind of policies they love.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at July 24, 2010 3:38 PM
Comment #304351

SD>

“Frankly, I think reason leads people better than just mere emotion.”

This is coming from the left “Girly Men” who base their whole lives on emotion.

“Only when we approach our leaders with a sound idea of what they’re really doing, can we hold them accountable all that well.”

That is well said Stephen, and we are going to see leaders held accountable in a little over 2 months. Hope you will survive the blood bath…

Posted by: Beretta9 at July 24, 2010 5:17 PM
Comment #304379

Beretta9

This is coming from the left “Girly Men” who base their whole lives on emotion.

I’ve got two words for you, mister: Glenn Beck!

If a Democratic pundit started weeping on camera for no apparent reason, that would be the end of their career, just about. But ole Beck? The faucets just keep on flowing, and the right wing just keeps on watching!

Of course, those must be manly tears.

And of course, you’ve got John Boehner blowing up at the Democrats when they started jeering his tirade on Healthcare during the debates. “Hell no you can’t!” Republicans never lose their temper, though, so that must have just been our mistake.

And of course, Republicans are never afraid, are they? They must be greeting all the allegations their punditry have been producing about the rise of Fourth Reich in the White House, or the FEMA internment camps, or the DEATH PANELS. They just greet all this with disinterested equanimity, don’t you?

But I guess it’s because the Democrats are girly-men, right? That’s a nice loophole. You folks can blast your moods out to the rest of the country because plainly you’re all macho, macho men. That’s a nice, wide stance to take on the issue.

But in all seriousness, I think you’re overestimating your chances. I expect some significant losses, but you’re counting your chickens before they’re hatched, and your people have a nasty habit of stepping on your own good fortune. And lets say you do win. Well, it’s your time to be held accountable, then. And my bet is, between your obstructionism, your partisanship, your party’s sheer incompetence at policy, and the unhealthy love of lobbyists your people show, you’re not going to hold on to your gains for long.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at July 24, 2010 9:16 PM
Comment #304383


Stephen, many people are having no problem finding causality when it comes to government policies that they disagree with.

The people elect politicians to be their representatives, not their dictators. If this is truly a government of by and for the people then politicians have a responsibility to convince a majority of the people that a policy is the right thing to do rather than ramming it down their throats.

The politicians can get away with this kind of behavior easier in a two party system. When both parties engage in this kind of behavior the American people are placed in a Catch 22 situation.

I guess you just have to laugh at the Internet warriors, a pistol putty calling others girly men. Talk about emotional. Complain about being insulted and then insult others.

“we are going to see leaders held accountable in a little over 2 months.”

I’ll take that bet. A majority of incumbents are going to win reelection. I don’t call that holding them accountable. There are very few incumbent politicians that can say that they aren’t a part of the problem and seeing how many of the challengers, including the tea party challenges who have been placed under the protective wing of the Republican Party, are lining up at the K-street lobbying trough for corporate dollars it is a fairly safe bet to make that most of them will fit right in with the incumbents.

Roy, you failed to mention a major negative aspect of the business climate in China. Strikes are popping up all over the country. The Chinese workers are demanding real union representation rather than government controlled ones. They want a shorter work week, higher wages, and benefits. That didn’t take long.

Posted by: jlw at July 24, 2010 10:11 PM
Comment #304390

A WB’er posted something about Massachusetts in the early period of the revolutionary war. How many are familiar with the ‘first Republic’, the Watauga Association?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watauga_Association

jlw, re unions, or unions vs corpocracy. I don’t expect to dent your armor but, I believe there is a better way.

I believe if we could bring back competition in business there would be no need for unions. To do so would require strong application of anti-trust law and the removal of the Corpocracy government. By removing the money influence from politics/government and busting up the big un’s into small ones then it follows that wages would be kind of self regulating and competitive as well.

We now have monopolies driving down US wages (working to break the back of the middle class) by using cheap foreign labor. If we bust them up through anti-trust and abolish corporate personhood to remove the money influence this will allow US based companies to begin competing with like sized companies. These companies, now on a similar footing or same playing field will seek to outdo their competitor by hiring the best and brightest, etc. In that way wages will improve through competititon. A competing company looking to out innovate their competition will pay more for the best talent. Unions would’t be needed, IMO.

The current system for worker competition is so corrupted. From my perspective unions may do little for worker wages or they may destroy companies, like the auto industry thing. And, so many union bosses a la Jimmy Hoffa and this SEIU guy Sustein ? are as detrimental to the Republic as the monopolies and the corpocracy.

We really need to go back and right a few wrongs to permit our Republic and capitalist monetary/production system to operate as originally designed.

If we address two major issues we could resolve 90% of our problems. Remove the money influence from politics/gov’t and implement REAL campaign finance reform.

Removing the money influence will take a unique 3rd party movement. REAL campaign finance reform would allow us to proceed to a flat tax, and begin work to correct 100 or more years of Corpocracy influence on gov’t.

This many keystrokes, might as well blog on…

The Republic was established to protect INDIVIDUAL rights. The individual would have the most rights, then local government, then state, and then, with the very least rights, the federal gov’t. That, by design. The Founders had just won their freedom, liberty, pursuit of happiness from the KING. Yet, they had to establish some kind of government that could represent a nation, where debt was binding and other nations would want to trade with us. But, first and foremost, they were determined to set us on a course where no KING could never again usurp our freedom, liberty and pursuit of happiness. They got it right, but look what we’ve done. Exactly upside down from what the Founder’s designed. Fed is on top, individual rights on the bottom. You don’t want our healthcare bill, to hell with you, your going to get it anyway. You don’t want illegal immigrants and druggies running all the the country, to hell with you, we ain’t closing the border, etc.

Corpocracy tells you what size light bulb you can use, how fat your kids can be, how much you will pay for your education. The fed is involved in every facet of our lives. Totally upside down.

Otherwise - - - Republic Sentry Party and all that …


Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 24, 2010 11:39 PM
Comment #304394

jlw, con’t …

The Chinese government is not designed to protect individual rights. All rights in China defer to the State. In trying to be a communist-democratic nation China is sitting on a powder keg with the workers holding the match. Question is, will 80M commie members capitulate to the demands of workers wanting wage increases from their commie run companies. It ain’t a done deal yet, IMO.

Interesting to see how the ‘indigenous innovation’ policy works out for US tech companies in China. US companies started out holding all the cards as they had all the money. Now, China is numero uno and wants to ‘share’ hi-tech developments. Hardly capitalistic.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 24, 2010 11:56 PM
Comment #304403


The Republic was established to protect the PROPERTY RIGHTS OF INDIVIDUALS rather than INDIVIDUAL rights. Many individuals were short change in the rights department and there was wide spread dissatisfaction among the common people over the Constitution.

If not for the fact that there were those who refused to sign without the Bill Of Rights and the amendment process many would still be waiting on those individual rights.

The very best part about the Constitution is that rather than being carved in stone for all eternity, it was designed to be flexible and change over time as the country grew and changed.

When I think of states rights, the CSA comes to mind. That is the time some states tried it Jefferson’s way.

For a third party to do what you propose it will have to be very big and powerful. You will need to pass Constitutional Amendments ratified by 2/3rds of the states or a Constitutional Convention 3/4ths of the states. Otherwise, the Supreme Court will overrule. The SC’s decisions involving corporate participation in the election process are based on the first amendment, money is free speech.

Did you get busted by the feds for using the wrong size light bulb, because your kids were to fat or because you paid to much for your education?

Sorry, but I am not into caveat emptor and a majority of the people aren’t either.

Why did we have unions before 1914?

Posted by: jlw at July 25, 2010 1:49 AM
Comment #304412

jlw-
I think the problem is really focusing on incumbents on a broad level. The truth is, there’s not much you can do, except for maybe four officials at the national level: Your two Senators, your one representative, and the President.

The polls always show, that for all that people hate other folk’s incumbents, they’re much friendlier to their own. Whether this is from knowledge or ignorance is the question. I think the best way to hold people accountable is to pay attention to what they do, and treat them accordingly. All too many people deal with politics on auto-pilot, or based on emotions that can easily be stirred up. While you can’t completely remove that from the mix, I think you can moor your perspective to the realities on the Ground, in Washington and outside of it, so you’re not simply pulled this way or that by the current.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at July 25, 2010 9:32 AM
Comment #304419

Forgotten Facts of American Labor History
By Tom Woods

Just about everything that people think they know about labor unions and wage rates is wrong.
Labor historians and activists would doubtless be at a loss to explain why, at a time when unionism was numerically negligible (a whopping three percent of the American labor force was unionized by 1900) and federal regulation all but nonexistent, real wages in manufacturing climbed an incredible 50 percent in the United States from 1860—1890, and another 37 percent from 1890 to 1914, or why American workers were so much better off than their much more heavily unionized counterparts in Europe. Most of them seem to cope with these inconvenient facts by neglecting to mention them at all.
Labor economist W.H. Hutt referred to the Norris-La Guardia and Wagner Acts in 1973 as “economic blunders of the first magnitude.” Economists Vedder and Gallaway find that New Deal labor legislation played a significant role in aggravating the unemployment problem. Both theory and history reveal the same conclusion: a society that genuinely wishes to become wealthier, to enjoy more leisure time, and to live longer will simply repeal all taxation on business and capital. That would do more for the material well-being of American workers than did all the storied episodes of labor’s “struggle” — labor historians’ favorite word — put together.
Posted by: Weary Willie at July 25, 2010 10:59 AM
Comment #304424
As late as the 1920s, labor law in America was based on the following considerations.
Freedom of contract and association were essential principles. A laborer was perfectly free to reject any offer of compensation that an employer might make to him, and an employer was likewise entitled to reject any offer made by a laborer. An employee was free to withhold his labor services if unsatisfied with his employer’s terms; likewise, a group of laborers jointly exercising this individual right were permitted to do so. No one, however, was allowed to prevent individuals who wished to work from exercising their right to do so.
Posted by: Weary Willie at July 25, 2010 11:32 AM
Comment #304425
Strikers — like anyone else — were forbidden to interfere with consumers’ right to shop where they liked. And strikes could not obstruct suppliers from making deliveries, since to do so would again violate the rights of others. Finally, since the employer’s plant was private property, the employer had the absolute right to decide who would be permitted to enter, and complete strangers who wished to enter for the purpose of agitating his employees could be lawfully excluded altogether.
This common-sense legal approach to labor unionism began to give way with the Norris-La Guardia Act, signed by Herbert Hoover in 1932. The legislation made “yellow dog” contracts — in which an employee could be required to promise to refrain from union activity as a condition of employment — unenforceable in the courts. The Act also exempted labor unions from prosecution under the Sherman Antitrust Act. Although the Sherman Act should certainly have been (and still should be) repealed, if there were ever an institution guilty of “restraint of trade” it was labor unions, which not only withheld their own labor but which also used intimidation and force to keep down non-union competition. They would henceforth be exempt from behavior that the law deemed criminal in any other context.
Posted by: Weary Willie at July 25, 2010 11:35 AM
Comment #304452

Weary Willie, your info on wealth creation seems to agree with what I am saying. Take the corruptive factors, which began to be introduced with the discovery of oil in Pa., out of the equation and competition would work to improve worker wages/conditions.

jlw, I see where the newer GM employees are making $14/hr while the old guard is making $28/hr. What role did the union have in all this? I know Obama and GM (the Corpocracy) used taxpayer dollars to send GM to China, then taxpayer dollars to bail out GM US, then bailed them out in some kind of a restructure operation where some 600 dealers were shut off. Worker wages cut in half as part of the effort to break the back of the middle class to enable the US to begin to compete - - —

$28/hr seems somewhere near the ballpark for a living wage. In my area people who mow lawns are making $60/hr, or a dollar a minute. Might seem a little high but a machine is involved. Some unions are outsourcing work to folks who will work for minimum wage.

Seems to me if GM was busted up into five or six companies there would be competition to build better/cheaper cars and competition for skilled workers.

I should ask, has the price of GM’s cars gone down proportionately? Probably not, but we should be expecting them to sometime in the future, right?
Can we compare the cost of a GM/Cherry to a GM/US car? I don’t have any info.

The small town of Bell, Calif paying high salaries for managers, police, etc is a good example of too much democracy. Were we not a Republic with checks and balances this small vocal minority might vote themselves to be President, etc. Fortunately the State gov’t of Calif is looking into the matter, and that ain’t saying much, IMO. The population of Bell is 38k, largely latino with an average income of $24k and currently running a debt of $150M.

Democracy run amuk, as it has in so many towns/cities/counties around the country. In Md. the security/safety types work about 10 years then go on disability, with the help of their democratically elected officials, receiving the same or more than they would make in retirement.

While we have too much democracy, the Republic will stand until the last vestiges of the Constitution are chipped away. Voters can step in at any time and save/restore the Republic. We are all watching and waiting for the mid-terms to see how the anti-incumbency effort works out.
Meanwhile, some 23k Mexicans have been killed along the border over the last several years. In Monterrey they have uncovered a body dumping ground containing 51 people. $100B yearly in drugs coming in to poison our young folks. But, the Corpocracy refuses to enforce immigration law or secure the border. Has something to do with the WTO and movement of workers across borders. Which has a lot to do with the Council on Foreign Relations, a Rockefeller driven organization with a plan for the New World Order. Then, there is NAFTA Chapter 11 – which subordinates the US Supreme Court.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1500564

Excerpt from the above url: “In short, there is a substantial basis for critics’ concerns that Chapter 11 can undermine efforts to enact new laws and regulations in the public interest, in particular to protect the environment and human health, and that it can require governments to pay compensation to polluters for ceasing to pollute, even if their activities have an adverse impact on public health and welfare (Mann & Von Moltke 2001, 13). With its intrusive judicial institutions, NAFTA’s dynamic continental economic regime creates new levels of uncertainty for governments whose elected officials cannot be sure how measures they propose to implement might be judged by some future arbitral tribunal.”

Starting to wander - - -
Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 25, 2010 5:05 PM
Comment #304453

And Glen Beck is pulling down about 120,000+ per day and laughing all the way to the bank.

Posted by: gergle at July 25, 2010 5:05 PM
Comment #304464

The most recent polls many Righties are touting indicates that the public trusts Republicans even less with control of government than Democrats. The public has matured while the GOP has not learned a thing. The public is capable of making the distinction between conservative and moderate concepts and the Republican Party which has UTTERLY failed to represent those concepts when given the reins of power.

In other words, the GOP has fooled the voters one too many times, and they have exemplified that truism, You can fool some of the people all the time, and you can fool all the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all the people all of the time, without a backlash. And backlash is precisely why Democrats are in control of government today. Dumb Republican Party. Dumb Republican Party leadership.

But, lest any Democrats take these remarks to fuel their exuberance: With only 33% of Independents supporting Democratic legislation to date, and the Democratic Party having alienated significant portions of its base by refusing to push the Public Option in HC reform, refusing to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and refusing to break up the too-big-to-fail banks, their Party is going to pay a heavy price in November’s elections by the growing anti-incumbent electorate. Dumb Democratic Party. Dumb Democratic Party leadership.

Which explains why growing numbers of voters seeing neither Party as a viable option for their vote, will be voting against their own incumbent this November.

Posted by: David R. Remer at July 25, 2010 6:32 PM
Comment #304467

Think solution, gergle. In control of the two party duopoly, the best gov’t money can buy, we have the Corpocracy. For the duopoly we’ve got the far right corporatists and the far left leaning socialists. Neither could care less about the majority middle class.

We get globalized ‘free’ trade and mandated health care shoved on us against our will, akin to KING George of yore.

I see the solution as a 3rd party movement with a mission of removing the corpocracy gov’t and implementing campaign finance reform. That will solve 90% of our problems IMO. Remaining 10% are social, abortion and the like.

and, you say?

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 25, 2010 6:44 PM
Comment #304469

Roy, I admire your solution, but, such a solution can only follow a wholesale rejection by a majority of voters of both the Republican and Democratic parties. And the path to making that happen is Vote Out Incumbents for Democracy”

Posted by: David R. Remer at July 25, 2010 6:50 PM
Comment #304470

100 days and countin !!

Spend your vote to help the Republic. Vote against your incumbent in November, pls!

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 25, 2010 6:50 PM
Comment #304471

An necessary and most expedient plan: vote incumbents from office in large number. Impedes, adds confusion and weakens the Corpocracy while we work on Article V Convention and building a new 3rd party with a different political attitude

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 25, 2010 6:56 PM
Comment #304475


Gergle, actually Glen is moving his money directly into investments. Now all he needs is to get the Republicans back in control of the Congress so they can eliminate those terrible capital gains taxes.

“Just about everything that people think they know about labor unions and wage rates is wrong.”

We would no doubt turn to a libertarian free marketeer for the history of the labor movement. Someone failed to mention the vital roll that scabs play. Labor unions did much more in relation to the labor movement and labor laws than just provide a better living for their members.

No doubt, eliminating taxes on business and investment will lead to a golden age when we will all be wealthy. This would be especially true if we eliminated much of the costly regulations. All pure BS.

Roy, the goals of eliminating corporate personhood and removing the moneyed interests from politics are what would commonly be referred to as progressive ideas aimed at creating a more democratic society.

As much as I detest the influence that the big corporations have on our government and our lives I think it is to late to break all of them up. There are cost savings and competitive advantages to being larger. Large corporations based in other countries would expand to service the world economy. To make your ideas work, we would have to isolate our country from the rest of the world, that is unacceptable and would not work over the long haul.

I think the best thing we baby boomers can do is to defer more to our kids and grand kids. The future belongs to them, it is their country now. We have spent our hedonistic consumptive lives in cloud of partisan bickering and we have produced no new ideas when it comes to government. As a matter of fact, we have wasted three decades helping the conservatives repeal what our fathers tried to achieve. Three generations of transferring wealth from the middle class to the upper class and the conservative/libertarian crowd is screaming for more deregulation, more concessions to the wealth class. Since the baby boomers only response to a changing world has been a capitulation to corpocracy we should try to pay off our debts and leave the changes to the younger generations.

I agree with conservatives about a bloated government. There is much waste and there are programs that do little if anything to contribute to the public good. I think the welfare system needs to be changed so that it provides a better standard of living while demanding more responsibility from those it helps.

$28 per hour a living wage? Half the people in this country don’t make $28 per hour. A quarter of them make less than $14 per hour. In our local economy, half don’t make $14 per hr. Our median income is less than $25,000 per year.

By the time low income workers are making $28 per hr., a gallon of milk will cost $12.99 or more.

The people of Bell California are just typical relish our ignorance Americans. I hope they have fun paying those million dollar pensions. There situation, although extreme, isn’t that much different than where I live and many other communities. Administrations and managements are bloated and command huge salaries compared to the people that are paying for them. As bad as this is in the public sector it is much worse in the private sector. Look at how much the bankers were rewarded for screwing the rest of us.

We supposedly passed NAFTA to improve the quality of life for all in North America. Then, we shipped our manufacturing base to China and brought in low wage workers which diminished the quality of live for millions of Americans. The Mexicans got a few million low wage jobs, drug lords and U.S. tax dollars. Isn’t free market capitalism great?

Posted by: jlw at July 25, 2010 7:50 PM
Comment #304476

I would like to suggest folks join the Article V Convention effort. And, Virginia folks may want to join the ">http://vaconvusa.wikispaces.com/”> Virginia delegates wikidiscussion
United together, we can whoop em!

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 25, 2010 8:03 PM
Comment #304479

jlw, it ain’t workin good buddie. I, you, this country, the world knows globalization is not working. Asian rim 88, rest of world 7.
I’ve no doubt 80% of the worlds countries would opt out of globalization if, IF a movement was started in that direction. NAFTA is an agreement, not a treaty, run out of the Executive Branch, not through Congress. All the Pres has to do is drop the idea of NAFTA and it’s dead in either six weeks or six months, forget which. There are far better ways to trade and work with other countries, assisting them where they want assistance and help them protect their nationality, heritage, culture, etc. Change is easily possible. We just need a few good men to stand up and demand change.
More tautology; here is what Pat Choate, “Saving Capitalism” says.
One of the great hopes of globalization was that other nations would take the industries and jobs that Americans did not need or want, freeing up the American worforce for high-knowledge and high-paying service industry jobs. Certainly that was a promise made by lawmakers when they enacted laws and policies that supported the outsourcing of so many industries.
Taking tens of millions of US works with hgh school eduations or less and converting them into high technology workers was, of course, a pipe dream. Indeed, it wa a cruel hoax even the most intellectually uncurious members of Congress easily should have figured out was nothing but propaganda from bansk and corporations, wanting to outsource jobs to nations with low wages. It was a thin political rationalization, for sure, but for many in Congress and a succession of presidents its was thick enough.
He goes on to talk of the high-tech industries, banking, insurance and the like outsourcing jobs. We were duped jlw. There was no debate. Globalization was shoved down on us just like health care, cap & trade, bailouts, 2300 page financial reform with all the pages yet to be filled in.
I hope you don’t think I’m joking when I talk about $4/hr wages. Pat says “A great danger faced by America, and the Obama administration will arrive in mid-2010 and early 2011 when today’s economic stimulus expenditures begin to expire. The political urge will be to declare that prosperity is just aroud the corner when it is not.
Our economic reality now is national decline. Extraordinary emergency actions over many years are required. If not taken, millions more jobs will be lost - - - - Action now is the only sensible response.”

I fully agree

We should not let this crisis go to waste !!


Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 25, 2010 8:53 PM
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“the left is leaning socialist” spoken like some one that doesn’t have a clue.

If the left, meaning the liberal and conservative Democratic politicians wanted to move towards socialism they had the opportunity. They could have taken over ownership of the banks and GM. They would have socialized health care. They could have used the oil spill as an excuse to confiscate BP’s holdings in America.

Instead, Obama wouldn’t even support single payer which has nothing to do with socialism. The Democrats passed a corpocracy health care plan that will consolidate the health care insurance industry and create greater profits than ever before. The industry will be looking for ways to deny service and increase profits.

Obama and the Democrats, with the aid of Republican filibusters refused to pass a Democratic amendment that would have gone a long way towards breaking up the to big to fail banks and pass a watered down version of financial reform that was acceptable to the industry because of plenty of loopholes, but not the Republicans. In their opinion, the Democrats went to far with their weakened reform.

Next up is a watered down energy policy that will do great harm to those coming behind us because it will again put off solutions in favor of oil, gas, and coal profits.

If the Democrats had come out fight for the people rather than trying to compromise with the Republicans and the corpocracy, they could have appealed to the people when the Republicans stopped them. Instead, it is like David Remer has said, they have alienated many voters, including many of their own base.

If you examine the situation closely I think you will see that what is happening is far more in line with fascism than socialism.

As far as the middle class is concerned, give the Republicans more time to work their philosophy and more time for Glen and Fox to work their magic and the middle class will be down to the size it was before the progressive era.

The ‘Golden Age’ in America before the progressive era was the one enjoyed by the wealthy robber barons. Back then, the few were very wealthy, the many were poor or very poor and the middle class was much smaller than after the progressive era. The progressive work laws, the GI bill and the U.S. 95, rest of the world 3 post war economy created this large middle class, not free market capitalism.

Yes Roy, they lie to us and they screw us in the name of capitalism, the free market and individual rights.

NO, 80% of the countries would not opt out of globalization but, their citizens could, if they were smart, demand progressive legislation to prevent the wealthy from controlling the show and squeezing the rest of us.

IMO, the libertarian concept of the Constitution and individual rights means that JD Rockefeller had a right to monopolize the entire oil market and name his own price if he had the ability to do so and he was damn sure trying. That means the government was wrong to interfere, it had no Constitutional authority to breakup standard oil.

It means that I have a right to negotiate with my employer for a raise but, I have no right to join a collective to negotiate on my and other workers behalf. That would be violating the employers rights.

That concept has already been proven to be unacceptable to a huge majority of the people. The people fought back and the government had to do something or risk a socialist revolution. Progressive legislation was the governments solution. Today we have no idea what it was like before the progressive era or the struggles made by our great and great great grandparents. We have forgotten what they did for us and we take their achievements for granted. This is why the government can get away with doing away with progressive era legislation and why Beck can get away with trashing it.

The people that came before us fought this battle once. Now we have to fight the battle again only this time we have mr. get rich off the morons trashing those who fought the battle the first time.

Truly, it is no mystery why the middle class is in decline.

The opposite of progress is regress.

Posted by: jlw at July 26, 2010 1:34 AM
Comment #304521

Wiki Leaks has released some very important documents, not unlike the Pentagon Papers. The War in Afghanistan is a Quagmire.

I consider this a much more significant problem for the US.

Posted by: gergle at July 26, 2010 12:30 PM
Comment #304543

Jlw, IMO Progressives et al are pissing up a rainspout. Seems they are fraternizing with the enemy while fighting the war. Let’s define the enemy and get back to me if I’m wrong.

ENEMY: the elite/monopolists, much of the Congress, and the Executive.

Combined, these folks form what we call the ‘Corpocracy’.
So, when efforts are made to push government run health care, cap and trade, and such programs giving the Corpocracy more control over our lives the people object.
Fraternizing with the enemy to fight the enemy seems a strange way to fight a war. Most recognize that we have the best money government can buy. Most recognize that REAL reform of government will never be permitted by the Corpocracy.

The Corpocracy uses the tax code, and thousands of programs relating to entitlements, education, transportation and the like to control the populace through the carrot and stick approach. For example: BP paid no taxes for 2009.

The Supreme Court just dealt another blow to campaign finance reform, allowing corporations and foreigners to fund ads for/against political candidates.

Mexico has filed something like an amicus with the AZ federal court. Following excerpt from CNN World website:
Web excerpt: “Speaking at a news conference Wednesday, Navarrete said Mexico received support from Uruguay, Panama, Ecuador, Bolivia, Guatemala, Cuba, Turkey, Senegal, Micronesia and Ghana.
Mexico also received backing from the Parliamentary Assembly of the European Council, Navarrete said, according to the state-run Notimex news agency.”

One wonders what the WTO is doing re Az but we can’t know – all their stuff is secret.

If you want to kill a snake you might not want to fraternize with it, or fool around with it’s tail. You are advised to go for the head. What represents the head of the Corpocracy? Corporate Personhood. This law, put into place under a cloud, under a conflict of interest, gave corporations some human rights. As of today, no one is able to explain how the Courts, in a case relating to the 14th amendment about ex-slaves had converted artificial entities into the legal equivalent of natural persons.
Fraternizing with the enemy has resulted in the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind in a very brief period of 30 years.

Removing the head of the snake will take a unique 3rd party with a different political - - -

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 26, 2010 3:12 PM
Comment #304571

Harry Reid and the Senate, true to form, is dumping legislation on the floor as the Senate prepares for a recess. This bill involves a supposed fix for the ‘citizens united’ law put in place by the Supreme Court. Apparently has to do with incumbents seeking reelection.

http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/urgent-action-needed-on-the-disclose-act

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 26, 2010 8:00 PM
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Roy Ellis, I think this thread is where the Disclose Act will be called a failure.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 26, 2010 8:46 PM
Comment #304578

Charlie Rangel’s behavior should land him in jail.

Worst case for Charlie Rangel, he may resign, and still receive his pension (full pay for the rest of his life).

Cha Ching!

At any rate, the voters have the government that they elect, and re-elect, and re-elect, at least, possibly, until repeatedly rewarding failure, repeatedly rewarding the duopoly, and repeatedly rewarding FOR-SALE, incompetent, arrogant, and corrupt incumbent politicians in Do-Nothing Congress for perpetuating these 10 abuses with 90% re-election rates finally becomes too painful.

Posted by: d.a.n at July 26, 2010 9:04 PM
Comment #304579

Weary Willie, pays to keep an eye on Congress when they start taking care of last minute business.

I was thinking we were broke but Hillary has found $500M up front money with another $7.5B to flow over the next five years so’s the Paks can better plan some of their assaults on US military.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/07/wikileaks-drops-90000-war-docs-fingers-pakistan-as-insurgent-ally.ars

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 26, 2010 9:08 PM
Comment #304587

Roy Ellis,

How are we to know? Did wikileaks do us a favor or is he a traitor?

How do we know for sure?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 26, 2010 10:21 PM
Comment #304588

Weary Willie, Greta was just talking with John Bolton a few mins ago and he said these records are nothing new. The Pak ISI has/is taking shots at the US military. Said the ISI actually started the Taliban some years ago.

I would guess that the several billions are to keep the ISI from getting their hands on the 60 or so nukes. Payola for the good guys to make sure the bad guys don’t nuke India, etc.

As I can tell N. Kor. hasn’t set off anything big enough to make a light in the northern sky. Sleep tight WW.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 26, 2010 10:52 PM
Comment #304590

Weary,

Assuming the documents are real, and there hasn’t yet been denial, I would call it a favor. Ellsberg wasn’t a traitor, either.

Posted by: gergle at July 27, 2010 12:03 AM
Comment #304593


Roy, you are never going to convince me to buy into government of by and for the country squire.

Posted by: jlw at July 27, 2010 12:57 AM
Comment #304611

It does seem to be about the money, jlw. If I had a well heeled sponsor on my team we fer shure would be doin better.

I feel like the guy who goes around pluckin the same note on his guitar. Asked why, he says everbody else is looking for it and he’s found it.

Nothing moves until Corporate Personhood is abolished, IMO. Everything political hinges on that. Only path is through AVC or a 3rd party with a diff - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 27, 2010 10:05 AM
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From the sound of this mornings news, it looks like the dems are getting ready to throw Rangle under the bus.

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