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Well, I have just watched the ‘show of the century’, IMO. Following the interference of his 5PM show by the apologetic Agriculture Secretary, Tom Vilsack, Beck went on a scathing rampage in eviscerating the MSM and the current administration. Were he not a Libertarian, Hollywood would double his salary on the spot. I do believe no news/entertainment show will ever top his performance this evening, Jul 21st, 2010.

Regarding the Sherwood incident, Beck noted that he had mentioned her one time and complimented her at that time. When she was terminated she was called on a car phone and told to pull over, then told she was fired. When she asked why, the response was ‘because you are going to be on the Glenn Beck show this evening’.

Beck continued with his rant against certain media types involved in trying to tamp down the ‘Reverend Wright’ incident, not so much to help Obama, but to help with the liberal agenda in general. He cited Time, Politico, Huffington Post, Baltimore Sun, Guardian, Salon, New Republic and the Washington Independent. I didn’t catch the media source but, in gist, here are a couple of statements from this media bunch: Like to see Limbaugh die. Can’t you see the parallel between the TEA Party and the Brown Shirts. We should shut the ((FOX)) channel down. The Guardian person stated that ‘this shows that FOX can’t be controlled’. The Guardian person noted that they need to kill the Wright story to help the Democrats with their liberal program.

Beck again goes after Woodrow Wilson and Progressives. Says the media started their deception during WW’s era beginning with ((names may be spelled incorrectly)) Walter Lippman, ‘news and truth are not the same thing’, Herbert Krolic, ‘make politics into a religion, and Colonel Howe, came up with the idea of ‘Czars’. Beck noted these media types worked to join academics and the press together.
Bill Marr got a mention by stating something like, just get the Health Care bill passed and alluding that the people are so stupid.

I urge all to catch the Beck show this PM if at all possible. His showmanship is super, with the pipe and all that. I’m sure Glenn will make headlines for the next few days.

Posted by Roy Ellis at July 21, 2010 7:39 PM
Comments
Comment #304060

“I do believe no news/entertainment show will ever top his performance this evening, Jul 21st, 2010.”

With the accent on performance.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 21, 2010 8:10 PM
Comment #304064

Tomorrow night Bill O’Riley will try and top Beck.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 21, 2010 9:55 PM
Comment #304065

Umm, did he rant about Breitbart, and Fox News particularly Hannity and Oreilly for calling for Sharrod’s resignation?

No? I wonder why?

Posted by: gergle at July 21, 2010 10:17 PM
Comment #304067


I guess it is a matter of personal taste. I have never been that keen on fantasy shows.

Posted by: jlw at July 21, 2010 10:26 PM
Comment #304068

Tonight O’Reilly apologized for not doing his homework on the video. He had earlier invited Sherrod to give her side of the story.

The Obama folks fired here BEFORE O’Reilly aired yesterday and before Hannity, so the Obama folks cannot claim to have been swayed by either.

IMO - bloggers and journalists jumped to conclusions. But the Obama folks and the NAACP had (or could have had) access to the entire tapes. Sherrod was a government official and she spoke at the NAACP, so these guys had the primary transcripts and tapes. The fact that they reacted so quickly and mistakenly - again BEFORE it was new on O’Reilly or Hannity - show what poor and capricious leadership they have.

Bush may have shown too much loyalty to some of his folks. Obama shows none at all. They will throw anybody under the bus to further to protect their own hides.

The Obama folks claim they were afraid of Glen Beck. If that is true, what kind of Administration is this? If it is not true, why do they say it?

Posted by: C&J at July 21, 2010 10:31 PM
Comment #304075

C&J, to listen to you apologetically excuse Breitbart and Fox News to get to the Obama administration destroys credibility in your perspective. The source was malicious, RIGHT WING, and FALLACIOUS. The incredible error of the White House was in EVER believing a RIGHT WING source in the first place, and acting on it, untested for veracity.

I do think however, the Right Wingers have taught this Obama administration an enormous lesson: NEVER TRUST RIGHT WING SOURCES ON ANYTHING!

Posted by: David R. Remer at July 21, 2010 11:10 PM
Comment #304077

David

As a manager, would you fire an employee based only on a report from a blogger? The Obama folks threw here under the bus even before the evening news. It was very cowardly and disloyal.

Beyond that, the Obama folks didn’t seem to care if she was a racist. They only cared that they could be portrayed as racists. It shows their idea of appearance over substance.

Beyond all that, why is the president of the United States living in fear of Glen Beck?

Bush had his share of detractors in the blogosphere and the media, but he never cowered like that and fired people (what it the word) … preemptively. It shows the Obama administrations weakness and inexperience.

Maybe this character explains why so many people have soured on Obama so fast.

BTW - how did I make excuses for the media. I mentioned that they jumped to conclusions and that O’Reilly apologized for his mistake. They were as wrong as the NAACP re the use of the N-word at the rally at the Capitol. They don’t even have a tape.

Posted by: C&J at July 21, 2010 11:36 PM
Comment #304078


Paranoid schizophrenia is a mental disease that affects about one percent of the population. People with this type of schizophrenia can usually function better in society than those with other types schizophrenia and they can seem fairly normal.

If you give a paranoid schizophrenic a national soap box, could you expect him to have an audience of perhaps three million people.

Watch Glen Beck and you will see the classic symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia on display.

The socialists, communists, liberals, progressives, the MSM, and all other enemies of America are trying to silence me. This little voice in my head told me so.

Can I have my meds now, Rupert?
After the show Glen, you don’t want to loose your edge.

Posted by: jlw at July 21, 2010 11:49 PM
Comment #304085


David is right about the right wing media. They are extremely suspect when it comes to truth and they have no compunction when it comes to lying.

C&J is right about the Obama Administration and liberal Democrats in general. It is as if the corpocracy ripped out their backbone or a couple of other body parts. This is not new or unique to the Obama Administration, just more apparent.

Posted by: jlw at July 22, 2010 12:12 AM
Comment #304089

C&J wrote: “As a manager, would you fire an employee based only on a report from a blogger? The Obama folks threw here under the bus even before the evening news. It was very cowardly and disloyal. “

No argument on that. The rest of your reply is so full of misinformation and unverified assumptions as to not warrant much of a reply. Vilsack was the responsible party in the WH. Stop laying this at Obama’s feet. The president may be responsible for his cabinet’s actions, but, NO PRESIDENT can micromanage incidents like this which were not even on the media radar yet except for some tip that the video may air on the Beck show. I seriously doubt this matter ever made it into the Oval Office. It was an agency matter, and a political matter. Any president has a number of people to handle things like this.

But, it doesn’t change the SOURCE, or the lesson taught by that right wing source, or the way the media left and right, (SAVE CNN) handled it.

Posted by: David R. Remer at July 22, 2010 12:53 AM
Comment #304090

C&J’s memory fails in saying: “but he [Bush] never cowered like that and fired people “

What about all the attorneys fired because they were perceived as not unfairly going after Democrats the way the WH thought they should be? Don’t give me your selective memory retorts. The turnover in the Bush administration is now historic and legendary. Incompetence being chief among the reasons. Can you say RUMMIE or BROWNIE????

Posted by: David R. Remer at July 22, 2010 12:57 AM
Comment #304091

After the NAACP’s and the Obama regime’s attacks on Tea Party racism, I guess they reacted a little too soon to try to prove they are not racist.

I have to agree with C&J; if Beck is such a nut case, why is bama so afraid? What do they have to hide?

Personally, I don’t watch Beck every day. Maybe a couple times a week. But, I will say, he has his material together and the WH has an open invitation to refute anything he says, but so far, no hits on the red phone.

Jlw; nice character assassination of Beck. Have you ever been able to answer any of Beck’s charges? Or do you just do the old liberal trick of personal attacks when you can’t answer a question.

Brietbart reported the whole story on Sherrod. It was bama who jumped to conclusions. Furthermore, why is bama admin apologizing for what happened to Sherrod; Gibbs said bama had nothing to do with the decision to can her?

DRR:

“The source was malicious, RIGHT WING, and FALLACIOUS. The incredible error of the White House was in EVER believing a RIGHT WING source in the first place, and acting on it, untested for veracity.
I do think however, the Right Wingers have taught this Obama administration an enormous lesson: NEVER TRUST RIGHT WING SOURCES ON ANYTHING!”

I’m sorry David, but did I hear you say the same thing about bama’s attacks on the Mass cop and the professor? Did you make the same comments about unsubstantiated allegations against the Tea Party?

What about the latest allegations that the MSM conspired to cover-up and protect bama during the elections?

http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/documents-show-media-plotting-to-kill-stories-about-rev-jeremiah-wright/

Didn’t our founders look at the press as an arm to help reign in government? Or at least to keep the people informed. Today’s press is a joke, when they plot to support their own candidates.

Posted by: Beretta9 at July 22, 2010 1:03 AM
Comment #304092

jlw, some are making a valid argument that our first black president’s cabinet is going to have unique sensitivities and reactions centering around race issues, just as our first woman president will. I don’t have enough details of what went on to support any details of this line of reasoning, but, in general, I have no doubt it is valid argument. Unique situations do not present tried and rehearsed responses. The WH screwed this up big time.

But, you know what, they reversed course immediately upon getting the truth of the situation, made amends, and apologized profusely and sincerely. What does the Right Wing Blogger do? Defends his actions and continues to go on the attack. No apology, no admission of complicity in wrong doing, and no apology. To me, that is an enormous difference worth noting.

Posted by: David R. Remer at July 22, 2010 1:04 AM
Comment #304093

Baretta9 asked: “I have to agree with C&J; if Beck is such a nut case, why is bama so afraid?”

Couldn’t be the record number of death threats and racist hate mail Obama’s staff routinely receives, now could it? Or their sensitivity to the reality that conservatives are working to destroy America and Americans all in the name of making their obstruction Obama’s Waterloo.

To be sure, the folks in the WH responding to this issue responded defensively and reflexively. And absolutely, wrongly. But, unlike Republicans, they aren’t trying to defend their errors. They instead immediately made amends to the lady offering her a job back, and apologizing profusely to her.

Republicans want to argue against PayGo when they are in power and for PayGo when they aren’t, and actually defend both positions at the same time (Boehner and McConnell, and others.) I am still waiting for GW Bush’s apology for the grotesque and lethal errors made in invading Iraq. Democrats fire a woman wrongly and immediately apologize and make amends to her upon discovering their error.

That is a chasm of a difference.

Posted by: David R. Remer at July 22, 2010 1:11 AM
Comment #304096

So Roy what does Hollywood have to do with Beck’s salary? Doesn’t Murdoch pick up the tab for the nazi sympathizer? What a joke calling Beck’s show “news” as it is far from a news show.

Did you ask yourself what the Sherrod incident had to do with Reverend Wright or why they are bringing up the reverend in 2010 with stuff that happened in 2007? Did he not mention Breibart and FAUX and the falsehood’s they perpetrated or doesn’t that matter as long as the “news” was good and the show was funny?

Posted by: j2t2 at July 22, 2010 1:17 AM
Comment #304100


Beretta9, pardon me for my character assassination of the biggest character assassin on the planet.

Republicans spent years and years back seat driving. When they finally got control of the entire government, they blew it big time. They made it perfectly clear which constituents they represented and it wasn’t the majority of their own constituents let alone the rest of the people. They were found out and it wasn’t liberal character assassins that convinced the people that the Bush Administration and the Republican controlled Congress failed the people and the country.

As they see it, because lets face the facts, the Republicans are not known for creative new ideas for solving our problems, they have only one recourse and that is to do everything in their power to character assassinate Obama, his Administration, the Democrats, liberals, progressives and all other enemies of America.

Posted by: jlw at July 22, 2010 1:57 AM
Comment #304101


It wasn’t the unedited tape that turned this story and the events around.

It was those two old salts of the earth. Without them, the right wing would have had no problem discounting the unedited version, people don’t usually watch the unedited version, many of them rely on talking points and the talking points would have flowed unheeded from the right without that old farmer and his wife. Just people trying to stir up trouble. Amazing how astute some old people can be.

Posted by: jlw at July 22, 2010 2:22 AM
Comment #304103

jlw, you’re absolutely correct!

Posted by: jane doe at July 22, 2010 4:48 AM
Comment #304120

Hmmm…

So an Obama administration official tells a story about a white farmer (who she is now friends with, and opposed her firing) who she didn’t help as much as she could have as an example of how not everything is about race. She is fired.

A spokesperson for the Tea Party Express writes an obscenely racist letter regarding the NAACP. He keeps his job.

Yep, Glenn, the left is a bunch of crazy black racists and guilty whites. None of that at all on the right.

Posted by: Calvin at July 22, 2010 11:03 AM
Comment #304139

B9’s logic is: because one murderer got away it, no other murderer should be held accountable. Love your logic, B9. So, typically propagandist. Goebels’ would be proud of your comment.

Posted by: David R. Remer at July 22, 2010 12:13 PM
Comment #304241

Well, since its easier to beat a dead horse than a live one; here is Beck’s timeline for the Sherrod event.


March 27th – Sherrod gives speech in Douglasville, Ga.

April (early) - Breitbart made aware of video of Sherrod

July 19th 8:18AM - Breitbart post video of Sherrod on www.biggovernment.com. ((retaliation for TEA Party being called racist))

July 19th - Sherrod gets 3 calls to resign

July 19th 5PM - No mention of Sherrod event by Beck

July 19th 8:49PM - Sherrod already fired. She was told that she was fired and that she would be on Glenn Beck this evening. O’Riley notes firing on his show. Hannity, Greta, and Cavuto repeat Sherrod incident. Sherrod on CNN much of evening.

July 20th - Glenn talked about ((call or case)) and took Sherrod’s side.

July 20th - Gibbs apologizes , NAACP apologizes.

So, Beck is saying that Sherrod was already fired before any FOX person aired the Sherrod tape/video.

But, FOX is taking much of the heat fer shure.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 23, 2010 9:41 AM
Comment #304250


Roy, since the nomination of Obama, the right has revived the use of racism, and has used it to arouse fear in white Americans.

Did the NAACP really say that the tea party was a racist organization or did they say that there were racist elements in the tea party and the tea party should disavow those racist elements and expel the racist speakers such as the chairman of the tea party express, which they have finally got around to doing or so it seems.

The tea party express is very closely associated with the Republican Party and they are an important element in the Republicans revival of racism for its own purposes.

Like I said above, it wasn’t the unrevised tape that altered the Republican, Fox Entertainment, Beck game plan.

It is a shame that CNN rushed down to Georgia and did the interview with that old farming couple, the Fox, Beck reverse racism shows would have gone on as scheduled without that evidence coming to light so soon.

At least now the truth is out, the Republicans, Fox Entertainment and people like Beck are using racism to try and regain favor with the American People.

Come on crackers throughout the land
Lets join forces to stop the black man
We can pretend we are saving America
By consolidating the power of the rich man.


Posted by: jlw at July 23, 2010 11:19 AM
Comment #304254

jwl, why don’t you impale an elephant with a cross and burn both of them on Ellis Island?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 23, 2010 12:30 PM
Comment #304263

No cross burning or stinky elephants on my island, plz. Good line there Weary Willie. Some lol here. And, good rap lines, jlw. Ain’t we got talent??

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 23, 2010 2:45 PM
Comment #304266

Roy,

So, Beck is saying that Sherrod was already fired before any FOX person aired the Sherrod tape/video.


and that is a flat out lie.

http://www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/archives/007144.html#comments

Posted by: gergle at July 23, 2010 3:34 PM
Comment #304268

Prove it, because your link doesn’t.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 23, 2010 4:33 PM
Comment #304290

Gergle

Beck didn’t call for her resignation at all. He didn’t use the story. By the time it appeared on O’Reilly, she was already fired.

Obama folk’s fault. Their bad decision. Panic and hysteria are how they address problems.

Posted by: C&J at July 23, 2010 8:55 PM
Comment #304299

Roy,

“July 19th 8:18AM - Breitbart post video of Sherrod on www.biggovernment.com. ((retaliation for TEA Party being called racist))”

This video was available July 18 on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_xCeItxbQY

This was posted here at watchblog in the C&J “Racists” thread in http://www.watchblog.com/republicans/archives/007138.html#303877 by Weary Willie.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 24, 2010 12:10 AM
Comment #304302

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 19, 2010 03:34 PM

are we nit-picking?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 24, 2010 12:37 AM
Comment #304303


They divide and conquer us. The Progressive Agenda.

Roy, did you see that episode of the Beck show.

If the lecture was about how they divide and conquer us, what happened to the other blackboard, the one that said the Conservative Agenda?

Beck also forgot to mention some relative information. Many progressives do not like the health care bill or the financial reform bill.

If the progressives that oppose the health care bill were to change their opinion to in favor of it, more than fifty percent of the people would probably approve of the bill in the polls.

Posted by: jlw at July 24, 2010 1:11 AM
Comment #304305

fixed the link.

http://www.watchblog.com/republicans/archives/007145.html#304079

Posted by: gergle at July 24, 2010 6:12 AM
Comment #304306

C&J,

1.Beck didn’t call for her resignation at all. He didn’t use the story. 2.By the time it appeared on O’Reilly, she was already fired. 3.)Obama folk’s fault. Their bad decision. 4.)Panic and hysteria are how they address problems.

1.)I never said he did. Who are you arguing with?

2.) This is at best, dishonest, which I already demonstrated in your post on this. Stop repeating lies, please.

3.)Do you often blame rape victims? Breitbart started the lie, and Fox promoted it. Yes, Vilsak did something stupid, by believing that Fox was broadcasting something vetted. Just like Cambridge police did something stupid.

4.)Based on this logic, I would have to say posters making these sorts of comments simply lie and dissemble when dealing with political issues.

Posted by: gergle at July 24, 2010 6:23 AM
Comment #304310

Beck sure went way over the top this week. The Republic is over! You mean no one told Beck about the Revolutionary War that got rid of the King? Dumb Beck. Really dumb. I was an actor for years, and I have to tell you, his acting is really bad. Which goes to show how powerful the concept of suspension of disbelief is in our media and entertainment industries. PT Barnum comes to mind for some reason.

Posted by: David R. Remer at July 24, 2010 8:53 AM
Comment #304318

gergle, I was taking fast notes on Beck’s timeline. Perhaps he said the 18th and I heard the 19th. Beck said he didn’t touch the Sherrod story as he is to paranoid, felt something wasn’t right, timing of the story, etc.

David, I agree, Beck is opining when he goes off on a rant as he did with the financial reform bill. But, as far as documenting radicals in the wheelhouse, he is spot on, certified, verified, no wiggle room.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 24, 2010 10:15 AM
Comment #304325

Roy, you are correct, Becks has his facts down pat. But since when does a liberal pay attention to facts? It’s all about emotion, that’s why liberals are called “Girly Men”.

Posted by: Beretta9 at July 24, 2010 12:29 PM
Comment #304327

B9, no porn in the middle column, plz.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 24, 2010 1:16 PM
Comment #304329

Sorry, I got carried away…

Posted by: Beretta( at July 24, 2010 1:25 PM
Comment #304435

The problem is not merely liberals and conservatives, who lean a little left or right, or up or down.

It’s not rocket science.
The problem is primarily two-fold (i.e. two groups of people):

  • (1) the extremists (master parasites) who hijack political parties, religions, governments, organizations, institutions, etc.

  • (2) and the majority of voters, who not only allow it, but empower and reward the master paraistes; primarily due to ignorance and inadequate Education, which allows tyranny, corruption, and the perpetuation of these 10 abuses.

And the majority of BOTH groups prefer to fuel and lazily wallow in the circular, divisive, destructive partisan-warfare.

But the majority of voters will almost certainly receive their Education, one way or another.
It’s the voters’ choice, and a good start is right under their very own noses; if only they could see it, before sufficient pain and misery provides sufficient motivation to see it:

  • Stop Repeat Offenders.

  • Stop Repeatedly Rewarding Corrupt Incumbent Politicians with 85%-to-90% Re-Election Rates.

But, unfortunately:

  • 45% of all 200 million eligible voters don’t even bother to vote at all.

  • Too many voters do not know who their senators and representatives are, much less those incumbent politicians’ voting records.

  • Too many voters are unaware that 99.7% of all 200 million eligible voters are vastly out-spent by a tiny 0.3% of the wealthiest voters who make a whopping 83% of all federal campaign donations of $200 or more.

  • Too many voters blindly and lazily pull the party-lever. 90% of all elections are won by the candidate (usually the incumbent politicians) that spends the most money.

  • Too many voters prefer to lazily engage in the blame game, and wallow in the blind, circular, divisive, distracting partisan-warfare, rather than admit that there is no important diffference between the IN-Party and the OUT-Party, who sabotage each other merely for political gains, instead of what is best for the nation.

  • Too many voters are delusional, and lazily believe that THEIR incumbent politician and THEIR political party is grand.

  • Too many voters think the problem is only with the OTHER party and fail to see the disturbing problems with THEIR own party.

  • It’s easier to blame the OTHER party, rather than admit-to and fix problems in one’s OWN party.

  • Too many voters whine and complain, and give Congress very low approval ratings (as low as 11%), but repeatedly re-elect and reward THEIR incumbent politicians in THEIR party with 85%-to-90% re-election rates.

  • Too few voters (if any) can name 10, 20, 50, 100, 200, or even 268 (half of 535) in Congress that are responsible and accountable, but the majority of voters continue to reward incumbent politicians in Congress with 85%-to-90% re-election rates.

  • Too many voters fail to see the insanity of doing the same thing over and over, while expecting a different result. Too many voters fail to understand that rewarding failure and corruption merely creates more failure and corruption, and more constitutional violations.

  • Too many voters are too easily bribed with their own tax dollars. Too many voters have fallen for the myth that we can somehow all live at the expense of everyone else. Too many voters want to be coddled and cared for from cradle-to-grave.

  • Too many voters fail to understand or admit how despicable it is for incumbent politicians to pit American citizens and illegal aliens against each other, for votes and profits from cheap labor. And an estimated 3% of all votes are by illegal aliens, since some states do not have or enforce voter identification. Now the federal government is despicably suing Arizona, instead of helping Arizona, and Arizona’s law is merely enforcing the laws that the federal government blatantly refuses to enforce.

  • Too many voters simply don’t care … at least, until (possibly) some day, the consequences of the majority of voters’ negligence finally becomes too painful.

But, perhaps their is hope.
Perhaps there is possibly a built-in self-correction mechanism: “Pain and Misery”
Perhaps “Pain and Misery” is an effective Teacher, if all else fails?
And it appears, as usual, that the majority of voters will almost certainly get their Education, one way or another.

Responsibility = Power + Virtue + Education + Transparency + Accountability
Corruption = Power - Virtue - Education - Transparency - Accountability

When and where there is insufficient Virtue, perhaps sufficient Education can compensate?

As for Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Rush Limbaugh, and numerous other talking-heads (i.e. other so-called informative, no-spin-zone experts):

  • What about Article V of the U.S. Constitution, if they are so concerned about Constitutional violations?

  • What is all the nonsense and complaining about people trying to take away “God”, when the 1st Amendment (a very wise law) protects freedom of religion and freedom of speech (only one of the diminishing number of things that the United States most fortunately got mostly right)?

  • What about the tax system, which is really (in many cases), regressive (not progressive; source: One-Simple-Idea.com/Abuses.htm#Taxes)?

  • What about the vast similarities (not differences) of all political parties (One-Simple-Idea.com/MainPartySimilarities.htm)?

  • What about the Federal Reserve which is nothing more than a pyramid scheme that uses inflation to steadily extract wealth from the many, and funnel it to the wealthy (source: One-Simple-Idea.com/DebtAndMoney.htm)?

  • What about the prosecuting the illegal employers of illegal aliens (i.e. secure the borders AND and enforce existing laws)?

  • What about the 99.7% of all 200 million eligible voters who are vastly out-spent by a tiny 0.3% of the wealthiest voters who make a whopping 83% of all federal campaign donations of $200 or more?

  • What about Congress and other politicians at all levels that despicably pit American citizens and illegal aliens against each other, for votes and profits from cheap labor?

  • What about Corporations influence on elections? Since when was the government supposed to be FOR-SALE?

  • What about so many glaringly obvious problems, and the common-sense, no-brainer solutions (One-Simple-Idea.com/Solutions1.htm)?

  • Where’s the outrage, Education, and reporting about all of these things; real issues?

  • Where’s Congress on all of these issues?

  • Lastly, what the hell is up with the voters, who are culpable too, and whose own negligence and laziness will reap what they sow?

At any rate, the majority of voters have the government that they elect, and re-elect, and re-elect , … , at least perhaps, until the consequences of repeatedly rewarding failure, and repeatedly rewarding FOR-SALE, incompetent, greedy, arrogant, and corrupt incumbent politicians for these 10 major abuses, with 85%-to-90% re-election rates, finally becomes too painful?

Posted by: d.a.n at July 25, 2010 1:05 PM
Comment #304472

“But since when does a liberal pay attention to facts? It’s all about emotion, that’s why liberals are called “Girly Men”.”

Beretta I have found that conservatives who have to stoop to name calling usually don’t have facts on their side. The girlie man insult, while not very original is a curious one as it originated with “Hans and Franz” and I’m guessing you may have some “Hans & Franz” issues to deal with. Good luck with that.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/pumping-up-with-hans-and-franz/278691/

Posted by: j2t2 at July 25, 2010 7:14 PM
Comment #305035

Good post d.a.n. Every point you made deserves consideration by the voter. And, perhaps that’s part of the reason why 45% don’t vote. We are simply overwhelmed by the wrongs being perpetrated on the populace. I find it hard to fix on one problem, concentrate on it and give it due diligence. Soon as I get determined on one issue several more issues take the front page.

That is the very reason I have tried to sum the nations problems into one major issue and try and bang on that. In relation to all the problems we have Corporate Personhood rises to the top of the heap. IMO, abolishing corporate personhood would result in immediate solution of 85% or so of our entire problem set. Removing the money influence from politics/governement would be a the most productive thing we could do for restoring the Republic. In a nushell, it’s just an impossibility for the Constitution to work as designed with so much corruptive$$ influence. Worse yet, is the fact that our Constitution is being chipped away, a piece at a time. Whether it’s weakened patent laws, runaway federal gov’t, gov’t failure to protect the citizenry re immigration/drugs, etc.

And, I so agree with you, the voter has the responsibility for all of these problems. It’s as if we are all immigrants that just showed up on these shores with no knowledge of what went before. Just one big party and who cares who’s pouring the drinks.

What a change we are going to experience over the next ten years. If the country makes it that far there won’t be a problem getting the attention of the voter. But, as Glenn Beck often says, will it be too late?

Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 1, 2010 12:36 PM
Comment #305285

Roy,

Thanks.

Not to minimize the seriousness of “Corporate Personhood”, because it is a serious problem, but it is a symptom of a more fundamental and core problem, and it is only one of numerous abuses, and all of the most serious abuses deserve attention too.

However, “Corporate Personhood” is only one of many manifestations of a fundamental human quality:

  • selfishness; more precisely, short-term selfishness; instead of long-term self-interest.

There are a few different categories of selfishness, which are all root causes (i.e. human traits; what some call the original 7 deadly sins), which in excess, have always brought pain and suffering to people, and account for much of the pain and misery of our very own making:

  • apathy, complacency, sense of futility, negligence, ignorance, and laziness;

  • greed, selfishness, gluttony, lust for power and control, envy, pride, and exploitation of others and things (e.g. lawlessness and constitutional violations, abusing wealth to influence government, usury, unnecessary wars, unfair taxation, etc.);

  • irrational fear, fear mongering, anger, intolerance, hatred, prejudice of others and things (e.g. religion, race, gender, color, ethnicity, etc.);

  • delusion (deception and self deception), misplaced loyalties, partisan-warfare, misplaced compassion, misplaced priorities;

But, they can all be summed up as “selfishness”.

Most people, naturally, seek security and prosperity with the least amount of effort and pain.
There is nothing wrong with that, and most people are sufficiently ethical and law abiding (otherwise, we would have wide-spread chaos, war, lawlessness, and societal disorder).
However, some people (Cheaters) have surrendered to selfishness, which breeds greed and Corruption.
Cheaters will resort to unethical and/or illegal methods (to varying degrees).
Especially when and where opportunity and Power exists.
Cheaters will try to tap-into others’ selfishness, and use it for their own nefarious purposes (e.g. controlling others; seducing voters into the circular, divisive, distracting, petty partisan warfare; pitting voters against each other; pitting citizens and illegal aliens against each other; brain-washing voters into believing they must pull the party-lever (i.e. blindly vote straight-party-ticket), dividing the voters so that a majority can never exist to vote-out the irresponsible incumbent politicians, etc.).

So, to reduce or eliminate “Corporate Personhood” and those numerous abuses, we must first get to the core Problem and Solution, which requires Education (not only about “Corpocracy”, but about all of the abuses, the reasons they exist, and how to reduce or eliminate those abuses).

Corruption and abuses grow when and where there is:

  • insufficient Virtue, which creates complacency, apathy, and a lack of concern, which creates

  • insufficient Education, which paves the way for growing ignorance, which creates

  • insufficient Transparency, which creates opportunities for self-gain, which creates

  • insufficient Accountability, which means there are no consequences, which creates

  • insufficient Responsibility,

  • and Power amplifies the problem, as laws are ignored and perverted to do the very things they were originally supposed to prevent.

Responsibility = Power + Virtue + Education + Transparency + Accountability

Corruption = Power - Virtue - Education - Transparency - Accountability

So, Education is one of the keys to the Solution, and the majority of voters will almost certainly receive their Education, one way or another, whether they like it or not.

So, the while the “Corpocracy” deserves attention, the other serious abuses deserve attention too, because solving only ONE of the abuses will not solve much (if anything). A good Education requires attention not about all of the most serious abuses, but the root (core) causes of those abuses.

The only question is whether the majority of voters want to get their Education the hard way, or the smart way. It’s up to the majority of voters. It’s their choice. But regardless, the majority of voters will get their Education.

At any rate, the majority of voters have the government that they elect, and re-elect, and re-elect , … , at least perhaps, until someday, when the consequences of repeatedly rewarding failure, and repeatedly rewarding FOR-SALE, incompetent, greedy, arrogant, and corrupt incumbent with 85%-to-90% re-election rates, finally becomes too painful.

Posted by: d.a.n at August 5, 2010 9:11 AM
Comment #306524

Glenn Beck is a lot of things but a libertarian he is not. The man is a warmonger.

Posted by: libertarian at August 20, 2010 9:56 PM
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