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Recently someone posted that I shouldn’t ‘hate’ President Obama for this or that position he is taking. Made me feel bad about myself. So, being in tune with the New Year I thought I would express myself in platitudes more in line with my true feelings.

When I take a hard line, verbally, with politicians, CEO’s and the like I don’t see it as a personal attack. I’m simply trying to bring attention to a perceived problem. I believe people in positions of power are not bad people. They operate much like you and I. One could agitate for reforms without bringing individual congresspersons into the fray. Congresspersons aren’t bad people. They simply reflect the influential powers surrounding them. Because their interest are not your interest doesn’t make them bad or wrong. You could debate environmental issues without mentioning a personality or CEO. When folks debated the tobacco issue no one called out their local grocer or gas station operator for selling cigarettes. In fact many products deemed harmful are necessary or needed such as lead, asbestos, and treated lumber (arsenic).

So, why do I feel the need to take such a personal approach in debating politics? I’ve observed from afar, the effect of government policies over the last 30-40 years. The numbers serve to put meat on my observations. Over this time frame the numbers have trended increasingly downward in almost every sector. We thought we were getting a handle on pollution but manufacturing moved overseas to China, India, Brazil and other countries where there are few laws to control pollution. We all breathe the same air. In education we are seeing some public schools graduating half their students. Many young students can no longer afford the cost of a higher education. Aristotle said that an empire that failed to educate their youth would soon fall. Look at almost every segment of society and the numbers are mostly bad. We are supposedly headed for a jobless recovery following the recession. What does that scenario portend?

The pressures to raise the level of one’s voice in dissent are great. Much time has passed and now, time is of the essence. A genteel approach doesn’t seem to cut through the noise. And, ask any CEO and they will tell you nice guys finish last. But, it would be wrong to say a more personal approach in debating is indicative of a hateful person. I believe it is more related to a level of frustration built up from a seemingly nonresponsive audience, government, etc.

So, this will probably be my only ‘genteel’ post this year. I will be back to kickin ass and taking no prisoners. But, I surely don’t take it personal and certainly not to the level of hating someone. I get the feeling there is a big train wreck in our future and I’m waving my little red flag as loud as possible.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to
do nothing."
Edmund Burke (1729-1797)

Posted by Roy Ellis at January 3, 2010 11:59 AM
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URL for pollution is

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 3, 2010 12:13 PM
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I think it’s admirable to care about pollution, and even rail about it. It is, after all, an education process. Silent Spring was a great read and even if the science was shaky, it made a dramatic point, but I’ll bet few Americans have a clue who Rachel Carson is.

I think a far more effective thing than demanding world wide compliance to some American ideal, is to find effective ways to communicate an idea. Rachel did that, though no much has followed her.

Jefferson is known throughout the world, as are the Beatles. Both delivered ideas on freedom far more effectively than most.

I don’t like the idea of preaching to foreign governments or peoples in a way that makes them sinful for what we have also done in our past to achieve economic advantage.

To me the fight should be to communicate, educate, and make the case through the scientific fact.

Here, the Libertarians have my ear. The blunt instrument of edict, doesn’t really ring out truth.

Posted by: gergle at January 3, 2010 5:41 PM
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Most people don’t know that Carson did not advocate the complete ban of DDT, she just wanted to limit it’s use. We now have malaria and other diseases rampant because of the ban on DDT.

Posted by: gergle at January 3, 2010 5:47 PM
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If we had kept using DDT we wouldn’t have an ecosystem. I’m not sure how much of humanity would have survived the impact of continued use of DDT. DDT concentrated fastest among the predators at the top of the food chain, especially among raptors. The effects were first noticed there. However, continued use would have spread DDT throughout the ecosystem with catastrophic results. First, mosquitos & malaria developed resistance to it. Eradication of malaria only succeeded in areas with established health care infrastructures and socio-economic advances, such as putting in wire mesh over windows. It generally failed in areas lacking infrastructures combined with a year-long mosquito life cycle. Second, DDT is toxic to human beings. It is linked to diabetes, among other things, and in the meantime, many other substitutes exist.

The baloney about how banning DDT was bad is just another one of those conservative myths intended to undermine the environmental movement.

Posted by: phx8 at January 3, 2010 6:41 PM
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On this I completely disagree. Banning DDT in the US made sense. In equatorial regions, limited useage makes more sense.

Death and disability from it’s ban is no myth.

Despite the worldwide ban on agricultural use of DDT, its use in this context continues in India[28] North Korea, and possibly elsewhere.[13]

Today, about 4-5,000 tonnes of DDT are used each year for vector control.[13] In this context, DDT is applied to the inside walls of homes to kill or repel mosquitos entering the home. This intervention, called indoor residual spraying (IRS), greatly reduces environmental damage compared to the earlier widespread use of DDT in agriculture. It also reduces the risk of resistance to DDT.[29] This use only requires a small fraction of that previously used in agriculture; for example, the amount of DDT that might have been used on 40 hectares (100 acres) of cotton during a typical growing season in the U.S. is estimated to be enough to treat roughly 1,700 homes.[30]

South Africa is one country that continues to use DDT under WHO guidelines. In 1996, the country switched to alternative insecticides and malaria incidence increased dramatically. Returning to DDT and introducing new drugs brought malaria back under control.[85] According to DDT advocate Donald Roberts, malaria cases increased in South America after countries in that continent stopped using DDT. Research data shows a significantly strong negative relationship between DDT residual house sprayings and malaria rates. In a research from 1993 to 1995, Ecuador increased its use of DDT and resulted in a 61% reduction in malaria rates, while each of the other countries that gradually decreased its DDT use had large increase in malaria rates.[30]
[edit] Mosquito resistance to DDT

As a matter of fact, Carson did not oppose all use of DDT. She wrote “”No responsible person contends that insect-borne disease should be ignored,” she wrote. “It is not my contention that chemical insecticides must never be used. I contend … that we have allowed these chemicals to be used with little or no advance investigation of their effect on soil, water, wildlife, and man himself.”’ Further, Weir’s article points out that “In fact, the decline in DDT use coincided with a drop in malaria rates.”

Jim Easter at Someareboojums provides an interesting post on DDT and malaria, concluding:
“The 1972 DDT ban did nothing to restrict the chemical’s use against malaria, but had the effect of eliminating the single most intense source of selection pressure for insecticide resistance in mosquitos. As the rest of the world followed suit in restricting agricultural use of DDT, the spread of resistance was slowed dramatically or stopped.

“By this single action, William Ruckelshaus — and, credit where it’s due, Rachel Carson — may well have saved millions of lives.”

Posted by: gergle at January 3, 2010 7:23 PM
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Roy, the facts demonstrate that we are facing a huge train wreck in our future. When people or nation’s, for whatever reasons, reach a point that they can no longer both support their creditor’s repayment and their own standard of living, a bankrupt condition grows. In all cases, the outcome of a bankrupt condition is the same. The debtor will choose to retain as much of their standard of living as possible while defaulting on their obligations to creditors.

With a 20 trillion dollar national debt by the end of this coming decade, if not before, already in the cards, America will have, in 2 decades, gone from a completely solvent condition to a bankrupt one. No nation or person arrives at a bankrupt condition by choice. They generally err in a precipitating decision to sacrifice opportunities for increasing income, or to cut back their lifestyle standard to one which facilitates remaining solvent and keeping debt under easily manageable control. After that one decision error, usually involving a refusal to cut back their standard of living or increase income, a sequence of events unfold which are beyond the debtors’s control anymore. The debtor passes a point of no return in which cutting standard of living marginally can no longer extricate them from a path toward a bankrupt state. Only a drastic cut in standard of living becomes necessary and it is not in the nature of human beings to choose to give up the things they and their families have grown dependent upon and accustomed to. Years later, the bankrupt condition becomes self-evident, and poverty ensues when borrowing to keep one’s debts from arrears is cut off.

There isn’t a single person holding public office in the White House or Congress, who is NOT aware that this train wreck is coming. However, as they contemplate actions to take to build sound track out where the wreck is, they are also positioning themselves to not be responsible if they can’t get the track in the future repaired in time. And of course, there is the political reality of getting a consensus on how much track and at what current cost, to prevent the train wreck.

Addressing the train wreck will be several times more politically difficult to accomplish than health care reform, and we are witnessing how nearly impossible health care reform is. It is a tragedy coming. Tragic because even now, that wreck can be avoided with the right economic, fiscal, and monetary steps taken right soon. But, getting the political consensus to avoid the wreck, is what will prove improbable at best, if one Party does not control the reins of power to make those inordinately difficult decisions to cut back on our standard of living nationally in order to repair our economy and standard of living a decade or two out.

America reacts to tragedy. America has never been very good at preventing tragedies before they become tragic. Today, we have political systemic flaws that will insure our inability to rise to the occasion and prevent this next economic tragedy from occurring. The time to reform these systemic flaws has already passed, and the tragedy that will be the inevitable result for 10’s of millions of Americans 15, 20, or more years from now, is made unavoidable.

Still, there is time to make some reforms that will mitigate how widespread and how protracted that economic tragedy has to be. I am still holding out hope that America’s voters will deal as strong an anti-incumbent vote in 2010 as they did in 2009’s elections, because that may be the catalyst both parties need to move to the political reforms that must precede the economic and fiscal reforms which will mitigate the damage of that train wreck in our future.

Posted by: David R. Remer at January 4, 2010 2:01 AM
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Well said David. Saw some information that during the decade of the 00’s the DOW lost 24%, S&P 6% and the NASDAQ 44%. That’s opposed to the triple digit gains y each for the decade of the 90’s. Also note that GM sold 2M cars in China last year and expect to do better this year. And, Texas is working to tax mileage driven rather than a heavier fuel tax.
I blogged incessently about the Corpocracy working over the last 30 years to break the back of the middle class in order to get us on a level playing field with the developing world. I thought maybe it would culminate in the recession but I’ve seen information that makes me believe otherwise. The fact that the administration came out of the block saying they are going to run the debt up to around $20T by 2019 is a good indicator that we ain’t there yet.
Other indicators are they have worked to cut off education of the masses while filling about half of the available positions with foreign students. I think it was Aristotle that said an empire that doesn’t educate their youth will fail. Not something we haven’t known for a while. And, running in millions of illegals to compete with middle class workers in the job market. Some 21 temporary worker visa programs to bring in skilled workers. And, this has continued right through the recession.
It’s clear this ‘unseen’ government decided decades ago that the developed world is using too many resources and that protectionists policies would continue to cause economic wars among nations. They seem to be planning for a ‘utopia’ where the world uses one language, we all have little blue or green service shirts with a company logo front and back (you have to buy your own), a worldwide wage scale is set for whatever skill or trade, and folks can travel around in established ‘trade’ regions unimpeded and without documention in search of work.
A few problems there with sovereignty issues (no big deal for a Corpocracy) and pressing such a plan in secret with no debate. A larger replica of the NAU attempt.
With a jobless recovery, a decade of zero’s, and a looming $20T federal debt it seems the Corpocracy has achieved much of their goal. I don’t think the Corpocracy will let up until wages are on the average of $4-5/hr. That’s about where the U.S. could begin to compete in the globalized economy, IMO.
I blog about it feverently and offer what I believe are necessary alternatives to the Corpocracy. But, it seems people just want to go with the flow, trusting that the Corpocracy will take care of us. I fear that we will be drug down this path, creating world bodies through treaties and international law to a point where it will be impossible to withdraw or attempt change.
Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 4, 2010 10:49 AM
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Correction on stock loses for 09: DOW 19%, S&P 24% and NASDAQ 44%.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 4, 2010 3:28 PM
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gergle - it is nice to see that R.Carson is remembered. You may find these books and interseting read: Fatal Harvest and Seeds of Deception. The second is not an easy read and the author puts forth all of his sources. If you are not familiar with the affects of pesticides and herbides the local cooperative extension offices are really good sources of information. Many of these chemicals do not flush out of your system and can even alter DNA. The companies responsible for making DDT were also responsible for such niceties as ‘Agent Orange’ a defoliant that it’s effects will be felt over generations. So far the VA only recognizes the people who were over in Vietnam region and not the children of these vets who may be affected. I read an interesting article concerning John Hanz and the Garden Idea he has for Detriot. It would be interesting to see what variety (GMO or not) are grown and if the fact that there are most likely a lot of heavy metals in the soil of that city. Plants will take up those metals and carry them on to the fruit. It would be like grazing cattle along the side of a busy highway and then eating that meat. Because of all the vehicle exhaust and other chemicals that travel the roads - some of it will get taken up by the grasses the animals eat. I envy people who can blindly go about buying groceries at the store these days.

Posted by: Kathryn at January 4, 2010 9:07 PM
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Kathryn, I pretty much concentrate on political reform to the point of steering away from social issues. IMO, we desperatly need reform of government before we can expect anything in the way of real social or environmental reform.
But, I do realize that we have abused our land and water resources. We keep pushing with population growth, petro-chems and the like while thinking, and being told that technology and science will come to our rescue before we run out of time. I’m aware that many people die from going to hospitals. Equally, we should beware of the hand that feeds us. I suspect that as long as we rely on technology we will always be working with percentages in risk.
I’ve noted that across the country and in my county there are a number of small niche farms taking root. Organic farmers, grass fed animal farms, etc. Such a great idea and I think it will get wide acceptance by people who are more than just a little afraid of what they take home from the grocer today.
I have a friend in N. Ga. who raises a lot of sweet corn. She boils the corn, on the cob, until its cooked through, not blanched. Then she lays it on a table to cool and dry. Later, she bags it in meal size quantity and puts it in the freezer. For consumption she boils the corn again, cooked thoroughly and puts it on the table. I’ve tried it and the corn is firm, has no cob taste and is very close to what you would get from the garden. I’m going to give it a try this spring.

Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 4, 2010 9:48 PM
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People have to live long enough to be worried about things like heavy metal poisoning, first. If you die of Malaria at 22, I’d say you probably don’t need to worry too much about accumulation of the metabolites of DDT.

Science is important, and understanding ecosystems is complex. Over reaction to a little information is just as bad as under reaction. People that get a little too freaked out over contaminates and pollutants sometimes make my skin crawl. Go out in the back yard and bite into some dirt once in a while. It’s full of germs and who knows what. Life is a risk.

We had a Delicious apple tree in the back yard when I was a kid. If we didn’t use herbicides, it wouldn’t produce edible fruit. We tried it both ways. Either you sprayed it a lot, or you had few smallish apples full of bugs and worms.

Being a luddite and returning to 17th century farming is not a viable solution in 2010.

Thanks for the references. I liked Rachel Carson. She was an exquisite writer and reasoned scientist.

Posted by: gergle at January 5, 2010 12:21 AM
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Oddly enough it is a case of knowing too much information- between +20 yrs military, agriculture schooling and my own curiousity and travel. The Codex went into effect on 31 Dec 2009 and one of the statements in it is pretty blunt. Whoever controls the food supply controls the people. This is so politically tied it is no wonder nothing is said about it. If farmers cannot save seed but have to buy new seed from a specific source every year because of patent rights or because the seed will not be viable the next planting is a major form of control. It can be used to determine what, where and who is allowed to grow crops. This can even be extended into the animal husbandry with the genetic work that is happening there. Yes it is all science but is it science in a healthy direction when a few have absolute control over it. From what I have seen America has the best food availability and selection of all the countries I have been to. The US government is able to control the food supply of other countries, such as Argentina(Soy Beans) and now China, who has decided to go with GMO Rice because of the patent rights and because of the way the seed is engineered. With the destruction of so many seed banks places like Iraq, Iran where farming originated now have to rely on other countries for seed for their farmers. So what I am saying is this is very political not just environmental(secondary in this case). Oh and if you are worried about skeeters- encourage bats, dragonflies, and ducks epecially the muscovy breed who are voracious eaters of mosquitoes, and numerious species of birds instead of killing them with things like DDT works a lot better in the long run - no resistance build-up.

Posted by: Kathryn at January 5, 2010 10:59 AM
Comment #293375 covering roughly 1998–2000 (with a climax on March 10, 2000 with the NASDAQ peaking at 5132.52 then crash, Last year the NASDAQ was at about 1,300 now it’s 2,300 it’s doing pretty good really Roy, Don’t think it will hit 5,132 in a real long long time , The S&P has done well too since last year.. Good CEO and “Workers” at Ford too.

Posted by: Rodney Brown at January 5, 2010 1:17 PM
Comment #293378

Bats are dropping like flies

Posted by: Rodney Brown at January 5, 2010 2:19 PM
Comment #293379

“let me tell you about the birds and the bees and the ?” ..Bees are dropping like flies too , I remember as a child seeing many bees nest in trees no more.. C&J sometimes you have to see things in black and white :)

Posted by: Rodney Brown at January 5, 2010 2:28 PM
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Rodney, I was trying to remember CNN stats from a coupla days ago and blew it badly. Agree, stocks are one of few bright spots these days. I might do better if I stuck with the birds and the bess. I believe English starling continue to be a problem in certain areas. I saw a few young, small honey bees for the first time in several years last summer. I think some kind of mite disease wiped them out.
Kathryn, I think everyone except the Corpocracy agrees that it is wrong and dangerous for GM producers to try and wipe out all non-modified seedls/plants. I am aware there is at least one underground seed bank in northern europe I believe. But, seems that would harldy suffice in a disaster of some kind. Is it possible to keep GM and non-GM from cross pollinating? Does it have to be one or the other? Does GM seeds have to be labeled as such? What are we buying at the local co-op for seeds?
Either way, nothing can really be done about it until we can carry out reform of government, IMO.
Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 5, 2010 3:13 PM
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Are flies….dropping like flies? Still seem to be plenty of them around.

I’ve heard of breeding like flies…..

Posted by: gergle at January 5, 2010 3:15 PM
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This Beck guy is really stealing my thunder. He just exemplifies what I could do with a few million bucks behind me. I espouse the globalization conspiracy far stronger than Beck. Even though the globalization thing is not a conspiracy in most folks mind. But, I treat it as conspiratoral as it was done in secrecy with no debate, public or otherwise. Beck has identified this administration as conspiring to ‘transform’ the country by crashing the government (you/us) through debt. He sees the administration using the Cloward/Piven theory of creating unsustainable debt in order to change the world order.
Question is, do we have two competing conspiracies with similar golds, a new world order, or just one big conspiracy with the same goal.
Either way, it looks like any national interest, Constitution, sovereignty, etc is getting trashed in the process. Time to toss religion, sovereignty, nationhood, mom’s apple pie out the window. Time to suit up in little green and blue workers outfits and get on your computer and do a world wide search for a job. I’ve heard that if you get on in Atlanta and work real hard for six months they will move you to India and give you a raise. You gotta like that!

Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 5, 2010 6:41 PM
Comment #293395

Rodney - the bats are dying from a fungus referred to as white nose syndrome/disease. The bees are extremely sensitive to any pest/herb/rodenticide use which has become a major factor in their demise and being attributed as a factor for the colony collapses. Most homeowners don’t bother following the label directions for application. I too have only recently seen wild honeybees this year for the first time in awhile. Ironically an article in the Bangor Daily Newspaper ‘Tangerine growers fight beekeepers’ because the bees were cross-pollinating the fruit with oranges causing seeds in the tangerines.
Roy - that should help answer the question on whether or not GMO/Non-GMO can be prevented from crossing. Pretty much if it flowers and creates pollen/or has seperate female and male flowers it can pollinate with similiar varieties. Either via wind, insect vector, bats or even some birds. Corn pollen is so light/fine it will travel long distances. If you have a garden within 2-3 miles of a farm using GMO crops - you would need to use isolation techniques to get pure seed from your crop. If you save any seed that does happen to get accidentily GMO’d by pollination you can be sued and may have to surrender the seed as well. There have been several cases of this in Canada already. My recent catalogue from Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds states “that each year we have a harder time getting seed that tests GMO free. It is getting to the point where most heirloom corn varieties test positive for GMO’s; even growers in remote locations are having problems…” from the 2010 pure seed book! . GMO seeds have to be labeled but any foods containing GMO products from those plants doesn’t have to be - soy, wheat, rice are the major ones but not the only ones. BTW, Maine once had over 300 varieties of apples now less than a hundred remain. The ‘Artic’ seed bank is a good one and it helps - just once a gene pool is lost that’s it- it’s gone, no way to get it back - roughly 75% of the vegie/fruit varieties that existed just over 100yrs ago are now gone.
I know it seems as if I am obsessed with this but IM humble Opinion the loss of our food diversity far out weighs the current idiots we have in office - they can be replaced quite easily. I for one don’t like the idea of going hungry for a bunch of corporate thugs and politicians. Codex Alimentarius ( this may provide some interesting reading.

Posted by: Kathryn at January 5, 2010 7:01 PM
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I recognize that introducing GM into the plant world has the potential for world havoc. The fact that corporations could force the destruction of natural seeds leaving them in control of seeds that will not reproduce themselves is a frightening thing in itself.
Browsing the codexalimentarius immediately makes one aware of how far globalization and world government has come. The UN taking the role of Supreme Goverment and the WTO taking the role of all government agencies, FDA, USDA, FTC, etc. 183 countries signed on and sending money.
Problem I have with all that is the people never voted for any of this, never debated, just enacted in secret and against the Constitution. The Constitution does not permit subverting the US government to rule by a foreign entity. The WTO has not been fully voted on in by the US Congress but is being run out of the back pocket of the Executive branch as an agreement, not a treaty.
Kathryn, our problem is so much bigger than GM, environmental, healthcare, etc. Our nation, our civilization as we know it is a goner if action is not taken pdq. The Corpocracy simply implements the rules they wish. The WTO courts are secret with no appeal process. The WTO and Brazil just won a suit for some approx $1B against the US because the US put an import tax on ethanol coming from Brazil. Also, they sued the US for providing farm subsidies for US cotton growers and won big bucks. How stupid is it that firstly, we would use a major food source, corn, to make ethanol? Second, that the taxpayer pays for farm subsidies and then pays WTO fines for subsidizing farmers?
Well, I’m advocating for reform of government, pushing a 3rd party with a strong reform agenda, no social ‘hot button’ issues, and founding the party in a few rules that will prevent the party from being co-opted by the money influence and also will put accountability for politicians into the political equation. IMO, nothing can be done to help this country until we achieve reform of this Corpocracy government.

Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 5, 2010 9:26 PM
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Roy - I am very much aware of the WTO, what is happening within our own government. I am also aware of what is going on among the people as well. But who will stand up against a government that has the power to deny basic necessities of life? The ethanol issue was a great way to push out more of the small farmers.

Have you noticed how many politicians head up corporations these days? And that they have this tendency to go back and forth between gov/t and business - serious conflict of interest issues there. Hopefully there will continue to be elections in the future where we can change who we have in office. Watch what the Rockefeller family is doing and their associations. They are major players.

Posted by: Kathryn at January 6, 2010 6:19 AM
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Kathryn, who will stand up against the Corpocracy? It has to come from the people because the Corpocracy government will not, can not reform itself. Incumbents continue to be re-elected approx 95% of the time. Efforts like voting incumbents from office will be helpful but ineffective in bringing real reform, and maintaining whatever they achieve. Article V Convention would be helpful in tabling real reform issues but Congress and the Supreme Court will never allow AVC. Also, it would be a slow, single threaded process and a long protracted fight on each reform issue.
IMO, the only peaceful way to wrest power from the Corpocracy, carry out reform and keep it that way is through a 3rd party with a different political attitude. A party with rules, puts accountability for politicians into the political equation and provides for oversight of elected/appointed politicians. By so doing this party could not be co-opted by special interests groups and could maintain the reforms achieved.
The couple of years will be interesting as the Republican Party works to co-opt the TEA baggers, bringing them back to the Republican Party or at worst, making weak TEA out of them.
People will come to support a 3rd party at some point but they will have to sufffer a lot more pain and misery to get their attention.
In the interim we can only work to lay the ground work for a party that can deliver needed reforms.

Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 6, 2010 10:25 AM
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Pat LaMarche agrees with you whole which she wrote. It is also one reason why I am a registered Independent. It is interesting to see all the Dems who do not want to run for re-election all of a sudden. Must mean a vote for the HCBill and they know they will not have a hope in -ell of staying in office once that debaucle gets passed.

Gergle - those refs: Fateful Harvest by Duff Wilson and Seeds of Destruction (not Deception - that is another book) by F. William Engdahl

Posted by: Kathryn at January 6, 2010 3:01 PM
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Kathryn, it looks like ping-pong politics is swinging into action as we speak. The administration has forced their leftist agenda on the voters and will now begin to rush to the center. Today, Obama broached a $250M dollar education program. How much of that will be allocated for educating foreign students probably won’t be known until after 11/11. He wants to step up hiring teachers from 7500/yr to 10k/yr but it’s not clear if he will import foreign teachers or train US teachers.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 6, 2010 9:52 PM
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This administration is NOT leftist. They are center-left to moderate. Believe me, I wish they were “leftist”.I would love to see a couple of nationalized oil companies and my first state dinner would have been for Fidal Castro as an apology for for 50 years of cruel economic embargo and trying to asassinate him 22 times. Thats leftist. Making improvments in education is a GOOD thing. Its an insurance policy, an investment in the future even if “those dang furnirs” might benefit a little..

Posted by: bills at January 7, 2010 6:56 AM
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HLN just had one of those twitter/facebook call in’s and the question was should illegal immigrants receive tuition for their college education. Something like 1 out of 8 said yes. The Corpocracy has been out of step with the public for about 30 years. The Bush administration had plans to bring in some 40k nurses to fill a supposed shortage of 46k due to the coming ‘boomer’ retirement. In direct terms, the Corpocracy has worked for 30 years to bust up the middle class to enable us to compete in a globalized economy. Today, anything to do with foreign trade is under the jurisdiction of the WTO, IMF, and the UN. Object to a WalMart in your town and be sued by the WTO. Want you fish product labeled then talk to the WTO, subsidize your farmer and be sued by the WTO and so on.
Bills, you are right. I don’t pay much attention to labels. I think of the far left as far liberals. I labeled myself as a populist as I don’t want to be labeled a conservative, whatever a conservative is.
I just generally object to everything the Corpocracy does. For instance, the Corpocracy bailed out GM so they could declare bankruptcy. Now GM has opened a lithium battery plant with $100M taxpayer grant and supposedly $40M of their own money. GM just had a big year in China, selling 2M cars. They are busy building four or five mini conglomerates in Brazil and other places around the world. Why does a car maker get a grant to start up a battery business? Why not subsidize a US company to build batteries. Being a good populist I want to bust up the biguns and make lil uns outta them. Competition is the goose that lays the eggs, not conglomerates that spends half their resources stifling competition.

Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 7, 2010 1:02 PM
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Roy, Folks are paying $6,000 to gut out their Prius engine and Components and gas tank and having more banks of batteries installed so they are all electric, The company keeps the Components smart move they go 40 - 50 or so miles before an 8 hour 240 AC electric plug in recharge, They say the payback is 4 years but they did not factor the electricity charges and batteries life cycle ..

Posted by: Rodney Brown at January 8, 2010 5:00 PM
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Rodney there seems to be a number of players in battery development. I think a University came up with the A123 battery scheme which GM glomed on to. Supposedly GM pumped $750M into development!!?? The Fed just came up with $100M for ?? more development I guess. GM sez the volt will cost around $40K. I’d say that’s a bit pricey for a car that goes only 40 miles. As a die hard populist I would have preferred GM paying for their own bankruptcy, relocating to China, etc. Would be nice to have seen a venture capitalist team up with the University to crank out a car or two.
Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 8, 2010 7:50 PM
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The Volt is a good concept we talked about it here on WB back in early 2006, I thought it was wise to have that option of a tiny motor powered generator to charge the batteries on the road after 40-50 miles of driving , Most folks will do the 40 -50 during the week commuting back and forth and plug in at night, Of course it would be nice if business and companies provided charging outlets and let’s face it some people are forgetful and that tiny motor will save their behinds and for the weekends and for people who drive more than 40 50- miles per commute and going on a trip, That is a fantastic option for John and Jane doe and local city and state government, They will have to be competitive with a high end Prius in a few years say $29,000 to $34,000 and with that tax credit available it’s within reach of most consumers budgets, GM stuck out their necks to far in China and let the market wither here sad but they are very much still needed they provide so many jobs from the aftermarket to main st. and wall st. perhaps millions.

Posted by: Rodney Brown at January 9, 2010 8:08 PM
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