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The Evolving Political Spectrum

What is commonly referred to as the political spectrum has devolved into a confusing twisted mass of ideas that people keep rearranging in favor of their own particular viewpoint. Let’s clean out and organize this ideological closet. Some items have been mislabeled and most of them misplaced.

This befuddling entanglement of the political spectrum has allowed the flagrant misuse of ideological terminology to truly run rampant during these unnerving times of transformation. Labeling an American politician a Nazi or Communist by taking …

make up your mind

... the most farfetched connection and deceitfully expanding upon it in order to completely assassinate that politician’s character is fast becoming an American pastime.

The constant practice of supersizing Liberals to Communists or Conservatives to Nazis is a large scale expression of this confusion and gives us a picture of our first faulty political spectrum.




A Liberal Spectrum

Starting on the left side are the commies, then the socialists, with liberalism in the center (this could represent the classic definition of Liberalism which means laissez-faire, but let's stick to the example) and then on the right is capitalism leading to Nazism. This Liberal centric design is obviously self serving, but it’s not the only one. Conservatives have created their own ideological blinders in graphical form such as the one below.


Right Pol Spectrum
At the top is full government control, in whatever form, and then moderate government in the middle with complete anarchy beneath. You can see the Republicans are conveniently inside the tolerable green zone. You may have noticed a significant difference between the two diagrams shown so far. One has Nazism and Communism at different ends of the spectrum while the other has them at the same end. Why is this?

The first diagram addressed the Socialism-Capitalism dichotomy, in other words less vs. more economic control by the government. The second diagram addressed the communalism-individualism dichotomy, in other words less vs. more social control by the government. A better way to illustrate the difference between the two scales is through an example. Many immigrants fled the Nazis and Communists during WWII and while being told they escaped from two opposing ideological camps, many witnessed inherent similarities between the two. The left-right axis describes the economic differences between Nazism and Communism while the authoritarian-anarchy axis describes the similarities.

It’s worth noting here that the respective supporters of the two above diagrams feel the other’s interpretation is a figment of their imagination when actually both scales of political expression are valid and need only be combined into a two dimensional x-y grid. This is the next level of complexity we see in political spectrums, but it’s just as easy to manipulate in favor of one’s own ideology as the previous one dimensional diagrams. Below we see the Nolan chart, created by the libertarian David Nolan in 1970, which will somehow make libertarians look good.

Nolan quiz
First off, we can see that the libertarian position inhabits the top of this diamond grid and the labeling itself shapes anyone’s perception. The only label less pigeon-holing than authoritarian or liberal or conservative would be centrist followed by the supreme champion of freedom, Libertarianism. This spectrum shows the result of no government involvement in the economy or social interactions as complete freedom; 100% personal self-government and 100% economic self-government.

We could easily flip things upside down and change the labels to produce a pro-government chart. Just replace libertarianism with Anarchy and Authoritarianism with communalism/populism. See what I’m getting at? These charts and diagrams are easily transformed from educational tools to expressions of self centered thinking by the different ideologies that propagandize with them. Next is a more watered down visual.


darknolan

Here we have as neutral a version of the two dimensional spectrum as possible. Labels like communitarianism and individualism carry a lot less baggage and much can be learned from this graphic since the left-right duality is explained in neutral language. Instead of an attempt at brainwashing, we find a well rounded definition of right and left. The left consists of an economic focus on community mixed with a cultural focus on the individual while the right consists of an economic focus on the individual mixed with a cultural focus on the community. There are many different versions of this two dimensional chart utilizing different scales of dichotomy such as religion-secularism, pacifism-militancy, multiculturalism-nationalism, multilateralism-unilateralism, but they’re mostly just different versions of the two dimensional chart described above. It’s also worth noting that most successful American political activity exists in the centrist area of any two dimensional political chart. This includes everyone from Bush to Obama, none of whom come close to being Nazis or Commies.

An appropriately labeled two dimensional diagram gives us a great picture and has become the most common political chart, although another level of complexity as well as detail can be realized. I will now delve briefly in to three dimensional political spectrums which can be confusing and complex, but a quick overview can be helpful, even if it just helps you to know what’s out there. A three dimensional cube diagram has been created by adding a third axis to the now traditional two dimensional political diagram. The Vosem Chart abandons the centrist area, but then appropriately splits the economic liberty axis into corporate and individual economic realms, which basically doubles the Nolan into the side by side panels of a cube. The crude diagram below shows us one corporatized Nolan chart in back and another individualized Nolan chart in front creating eight (Vosem is Russian for eight) quadrants.

..... ----------------------------–-
. / |.New Labour.|.Authoritarian../..|
/--+------------|--+--------- /....|
|..|..................|...|..............|...|
|..|.....Liberal....|...|Totalitarian|...|
|..|..................|...|..............|...|
|..|-------------+---+--------+...|
|..|..................|...|..............|...|
|--+------------|---+---------|...|
|..|.................|....|..............|...|
|..|..Libertarian.|....|..............|---+- Conservative
|..|.................|....|..............|...|
|..|.................|....|..............|...|
|--------------+-------------+---|
|/...................|...................|.../
/---------v----|-----v----------/
Anarcho-syndicalist Paleo-conservative

3-d-quizThis three dimensional chart adds a useful level of detail by differentiating between the corporate and individual spheres of the economy allowing greater specificity. For a more in depth explanation of this political chart than I have time to provide here, check out “Politics in the third dimension” and scroll down to the same diagram.

The Friesian Institute created another cubed political chart which splits the social liberty axis into positive and negative liberty. Positive liberty is the ability to participate in your government in some way. Negative liberty is by no means a lack of liberty like it sounds, but is more about the individual’s right to be left alone by the government. The ability of people to run for office and affect their government is a positive liberty while freedom from religious prosecution or unlawful search & seizure is a negative liberty.

This Friesian chart takes the economic and social liberty scales of a Nolan chart, both negative liberties, and creates a third dimension by adding a positive liberty scale. Starting from no positive liberty, i.e. all power concentrated into the hands of one monarchy, then an oligarchy of few power holders, then a republic like the US, then a true democracy of majority rule without checks or balances followed by power spread equally to all individuals, otherwise known as Anarchy.

Whereas this Vosem chart doubled the Nolan chart, the Friesian diagram multiplies the Nolan by five. The cube chart then becomes even more complicated when each one fifth slice of the cube is split further into sections spanning through social monarchy, tolerant monarchy, moralist oligarchy, market oligarchy, social republic, tolerant republic, moralist democracy, market democracy, social anarchy, tolerant anarchy.

Now that we are thoroughly confused, what does this all mean?

Each successive level of detail in these progressively complex political spectrum diagrams simply helps us to differentiate even further between the political ideologies of different individuals. You may also find exploring these ideas and their placement in relation to each other deeply educational & illuminating.


RationalSpectrumAnother illuminating attempt at a new political spectrum can be seen at left, but I will leave the explanation to the writer at Rational Revolution who presents a thoroughly interesting train of political thought as well.

There is no test to take on a three dimensional political spectrum (except the 3rd axis questions at the bottom of the Friesian page), but the 2D Nolan and its variants are very popular and you can find many sites to take a simple political quiz based on it.







For those who haven't tried this already and want to see where they may place on one of the more thorough two dimensional political charts go to this Political Quiz . This test shouldn't be taken too seriously, but if you answer truthfully, it might help you better comprehend where you stand in relation to others. I came out as a centrist social libertarian who is heavily non-interventionist and falls on the liberal side of the culture war (that would be the classical definition of liberal, as in laissez-faire).

You can see my results and their respective graphs below.

My Political Views
I am a centrist social libertarian
Right: 0.75, Libertarian: 5.59

My Foreign Policy Views
Score: -6.65

My Culture War Stance
Score: -6.43


image gotoquiz

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image gotoquiz spectrum















Posted by Frederick S. Friedman at September 15, 2009 5:35 PM
Comments
Comment #288242

Sorry for the jumbled nature of the pix and the wandering text in this post. First time putting images into Watchblog, but thought the visual aides would help.

Posted by: Fred at September 16, 2009 7:25 PM
Comment #288245

Thanks for the information and for the graphs. It’s good to have reminders that the spectrum isn’t as simple as we sometimes make it.

I found this pretty hard to read because of the jumble. I think David Remer would be able to give you some help on how to lay these out.

Posted by: LawnBoy at September 16, 2009 8:16 PM
Comment #288251

You can also change the meaning of terminologies through the kind of political efforts that we have seen over the last forty years, reference Newt Gingrich and Using Language as a Key Mechanism of Control.

Otherwise words have a popular meaning, sometimes an emotional meaning, that doesn’t change without a new mass media effort. New terminologies can come into being, but old ones are harder to change.

Political definitions defined by politicians are automatically suspect since they are self-promoting liars, whether experienced or neophyte, with agendas that aren’t necessarily made clear to the voters. This is even true in local elections. We know what people say, but usually don’t find out why they actually want to do in office until later.

Posted by: ohrealy at September 16, 2009 10:49 PM
Comment #288252

And the BHO as Hitler poster above is patently offensive, as was the green swastika allowed in the red column last year.

Posted by: ohrealy at September 16, 2009 10:52 PM
Comment #288254

Ohrealy,

The picture you refer to shows Obama as a combo of a Nazi, Commmie, Muslim, and Liberal stating that he can’t be all four. This is obviously an anti anti-Obama image. I hope this clears up any confusion.

Posted by: Fred at September 17, 2009 12:03 AM
Comment #288255

Fred, the confusion seems to be yours, the picture shows him as Hitler, the little symbols underneath don’t affect the image.

Posted by: ohrealy at September 17, 2009 12:21 AM
Comment #288256

I guess the image will be blocked if it must be blocked, that doesn’t matter to me. I obviously don’t believe Obama is like Hitler and only used the image to make a point. So you’re wasting your time preaching to the choir.

The message of the image that mocks calling Obama Hitler can be ignored if you wish, but I thought it might help get the point across to some extremists that may read this article.

You’re not very big on Freedom of speech, are you?

I’d like to see your score on the political quiz:)

Posted by: Fred at September 17, 2009 1:19 AM
Comment #288261

Mr. Friedman, I don’t fit into a grid. You’re reminding me of some David Milch’s commentary in John from Cincinnati:

“Every prejudice that we have about the provisional superficial identity of another person, separates us from them…Technology, the internet, makes everyone feel separate from one another , and that the other is simply an object to be manipulated for sex or gambling or other manipulation.”

“The line and circle are big, on the wall the line and circle are huge.”

Which is to say the line and the circle are the capacity in the human species to represent, to symbolize experience. If I can draw the line and circle on the wall, I begin to believe that I have some kind of power over danger. My capacity to represent is initially to say there’s trouble over there. If I make this drawing I am protected. The ability to generalize from a specific danger, that makes the line and circle huge on the wall.

“The man at the wall makes a man from the circle and line”

Not only can he repesent the world, but in art he can represent himself in connection with the world., and that’s the beginning not only of religious ritual but of storytelling. “

Off to work I go.

Posted by: ohrealy at September 17, 2009 10:01 AM
Comment #288265

Individuals do not like being categorized, though they often can be.

It is important to remember that this sort of intellectual process occurs because we cannot have personal relationships beyond 100 or so people.

One must also note that this is a form of bigotry, if certain predetermined connotations are used this way.

Being able to recognize friends and foes is an important survival trait, but it can also become a hinderance to critical thinking.

Saying that some number is the mean of a group of numbers may not tell you everything you need to know about a group of numbers.

Posted by: gergle at September 17, 2009 11:48 AM
Comment #288267

Ohrealy, Neat quote, but you couldn’t be more wrong.

Besides the fact that I stated clearly for everyone not to take any test like this seriously, the dangers you describe in your comment are misplaced and lack an understanding of the concept of open minded conversation.

Exploring these concepts together and openly is educational. Having a conversation about how diagrams and classifications and other aspects of political science and ideology can affect our perception and our understanding of each other is beneficial & illuminating in these times.

Your acting like this is some kind of witch hunt to classify and segregate everyone and I don’t know where the heck you could be getting that from except from yourself.

Maybe this conversation just seems more comfortable to those who don’t take sides in two party liberal-conservative war.

I also stand by my statement that you’re wanting to take down the BHO/Hitler image is an attack on free speech. My free speech. It’s worth learning here that the desire to suppress images or statements is an authoritarian sentiment.

Please don’t let your ego be hurt by that comment, just do your best to refute it while not taking it personally.

I didn’t take it personally when you said I was being offensive.

Posted by: Fred at September 17, 2009 1:15 PM
Comment #288277

Any construct is false in its details but may be useful as a map.

There is nothing permanent or metaphysical about a lot of our constructs. They are just patterns in constant change. Like culture itself, they have no meaning outside themselves. One of the things I disliked about Marx was his silly ideas that classes were somehow conscious or even identifiable over time. The same goes for all political and social groupings.

I always put Nazis and communists near each other. They are both collectivists and revolutionary socialists. They believe in classifying individuals by group affiliations and lots of people tend to get killed in nasty ways when either group is nearby.

On the other hand, American conservatives and American liberals are really close together. Neither side drifts toward communism or Nazism. Those are different in kind, not just in degree from what most Americans value.

We Americans have a strange mixture. For example, American conservatives tend to believe in freedom for individuals in the economic sphere, which is a big part of personal life. But they are often less enthusiastic about social freedoms. Liberals are willing to limit economic freedom, but want to let the social chips fall where they may. So both groups have a strange brew of collective ideas and freedom.

We waste too much time trying to be precise about our phony categories. Judge people by what they do, not what they claim to be.

Posted by: Christine at September 17, 2009 8:48 PM
Comment #288283

Hi Christine, I was hoping to share this discussion with you:)

This article is primarily aimed at those who are confused about this changing map, in fact trying to change it themselves by hanging the Nazi/Commie label on anyone they oppose.

The strange mixture between the two parties, Republican & Democratic; Conservative & Liberal that this discussion highlights is an example of the problem with these two camps.

Besides those that feel comfortable with economic freedom mixed with social restraint or economic restraint mixed with social freedom there are others that feel comfortable with economic AND social freedom or economic AND social restraint.

My leaning towards economic & social freedom stems from a belief in free market capitalism, which engenders classical laissez-faire liberalism in all forms; social and economic.

That’s actually the basis of a strong criticism of American conservatism I’ve come across from other sources. The promotion of Capitalism actually engenders social liberty. Before you know it, there are millions of consumers walking around with diverse and sometime perverse tastes. Look at Las Vegas!

Conservatives can’t have it both ways, but neither can Liberals.

We’ve all discovered that some regulation of capitalism is required, but Liberals (American definition) always take this too far and potentially choke their own social liberties.

A free market supports and nurtures a free society. Low to moderate restraint(government) is needed in some areas to prevent anarcho-capitalism and or massive bubble-burst.

Posted by: Fred at September 17, 2009 11:09 PM
Comment #288293

My argument is more left brain right brain than political. Your response indicates a lack of understanding of what I wrote. “you said I was being offensive” No I didn’t. Read what I actually wrote. I was going to go through what you said point by point but instead, here’s something on the original and 149 other posters inspired by the Shepard Fairey poster: http://www.posterpage.ch/exhib/ex216oba/ex216oba.htm

I don’t know if AP still trying to get money from him, since they claim the poster is based on a photograph they own.

Posted by: ohrealy at September 18, 2009 12:14 PM
Comment #288296

I was under the impression you thought the image was offensive and wanted it removed(I put the image up,hence the connection), but my mistake.

Cool link, spoof posters galore.

On right brain, left brain; you might find Eysenck’s research somewhat interesting. An immigrant who survived WWII, he tested subjects for what he called tender-mindedness as well as other factors, but getting outside politics for a moment, you may or may not have heard of Julian Jaynes.

He wrote “The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind”; it’s a bit swampy the first sixty or seventy pages, but then it gets interesting. Again, not to be taken entirely seriously, but interesting for a student of the human experience.

Posted by: Fred at September 18, 2009 12:47 PM
Comment #288299

“you thought the image was offensive”

The image was offensive. TPTB seem to allow this sort of thing, but I don’t have to like it, especailly in a forum with an undercurrent of ignorant anti-semitism. Let me explain the nature of the offense. First, any depiction of anyone in that way is offensive. Second, you’re playing into an agenda of dealing with people in these categories, and then extending that into dealing with them as mathematical data to be plotted on a graph. There are too many variables involved and people have widely varied views on topics that would seem to fit in the same categories, depending on how the myriad of different issues affect them. Thirdly, these discussions center around polarities that help the politicians actually avoid dealing with real issues, or real criticism, because the political class has its own agenda.

Here is an example. Most people are opposed to large scale immigration changing the society that we were born into, but what is the discussion about? It’s mostly about native americans sneeking across the southern border, making the people who oppose it into racists, and the people who want nothing done into the anti-racists. Meanwhile large corporations get the immigrants that they want, both from that border and from other places around the world.

On the link to the posters, I couldn’t resist since the first one was Amy Winehouse, whose tunes your children will be humming, because you can promote just about anything with PR, reference Glee and Rehab:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akr9fRajrKM

This is an old link to what I was talking about relating to language: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm

Posted by: ohrealy at September 18, 2009 2:01 PM
Comment #288306

Your shooting the messenger for something I didn’t even tell you.

The image itself offends me as much as anyone else, but my response is not to recoil from an extremely bad example of freedom of speech nor to stay disconnected from such zealotry as you seem to suggest. Not confronting an undercurrent of anti-semitism helped relatives of mine disappear during WWII, so I choose to engage and discuss; not ignore until I hear the boots coming.

If I grab their attention in a way you don’t like, fine, but don’t say I’m “playing into an agenda of dealing with people in these categories” because I didn’t create them and I don’t believe in them for that matter (your mistaken assumption). I’m may be trying to show the “Academia” surrounding the words and labels that are being misused, but I’m not trying to convert anyone into mathematical data, especially not the extremists my argument is aimed at.

I’m showing the reality of the political science behind such meaningless terminology. How it is nothing more than fodder for propaganda … unless… wait for it… unless you are trying to inform people of the dangers of this type of categorization and how it is used as propaganda to fool people. This was my point, but your attacking me for championing ideological pigeonholing? Sometimes I really wonder if people fully read these articles and even then I’m surprised by how much people miss my tone.

I was pretty sure this wouldn’t be a hot article for comments because I’m not saying anything controversial. All I did here was perform a small survey of the evolving political spectrum to help clarify some lies being thrown around.

If you’re simply trying to claim that the ideas in this article don’t cover the full breadth of human political opinion, then DUH!!!!!!!!

I was not attempting to claim such a thing, but maybe I should have emphasized that each successive attempt to quantify such a thing only gets more and more complex to the point of uselessness. Some guys have already started working computer models on this and none of it will ever amount to much at all in the real world. Curious did I say something to give the impression I thought otherwise?

The little test at the end is a participatory piece of none sense that means nothing. I’m not feverishly plotting out the graph numbers of strangers that send them to me.

I only wanted to help some confused individuals understand that Obama wasn’t a Commie and Bush wasn’t a Nazi. Anything further that you glean from this article has nothing to do with any argument I’m making.

If your hungry for complex perceptions of politics, go to Rational Revolution and tell me what you think (don’t attach me to it, just tell me what you think). There’s also another link to an article on the rational revolution site towards the end of the above watchblog article.

Posted by: Fred at September 18, 2009 6:14 PM
Comment #288308

“Frederick S. Friedman”

There’s something oddly familiar about your responses, like you’re actually a more frequent writer using another name to try to make it look like more people are writing here. I only responded because I like to encourage different people when they write here, but I guess that didn’t happen.

Incidentally, on your quiz, I’m four squares to the left and four squares down from the median, on the left libertarian side, just so you know which little pigeon hole I fit in.

Posted by: ohrealy at September 18, 2009 9:10 PM
Comment #288311

I wished I could write more often than this, but I’m a quality assurance supervisor at a federally qualified health center by day and a struggling sci-fi writer by night. Fitting in the blog thing is difficult and comes in third place.

The kind of people you speak of are usually either paid to spend so much time blogging or they are retired and just love blogging and arguing with readers all day.

I’m not one of these writers, but would probably jump at the chance to be paid to do this working from home. QA ain’t the most exciting thing in the world.

The familiarity of the responses may be your reaction their truthiness:)

But seriously, it’s not that I wasn’t encouraged, I appreciate your comment. It’s more about the fact that I try to be clear and it’s always my fault when I’m not.

The quiz is a novelty. The questions only begin to scratch the surface, but if they go any deeper it might as well be a psych test or personality quiz like the old Myers Briggs. Humans can’t help it. We are constantly trying to understand and quantify the universe around us. It’s kind of a condition of ours:)

Posted by: Fred at September 18, 2009 9:51 PM
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