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Corporate Corruption Killing America

Anyone smart and strong enough to fight delusional thinking and who pays attention to current events should clearly see that corporate corruption of the US political system is so pervasive and powerful that there will be no genuine reform of both the health care and financial sectors.

I always believed that president Obama was just a different color corrupt politician who was subservient to the two-party plutocracy. His so-called reform efforts and ludicrous federal deficit spending should disappoint all his non-delusional supporters.

For health reform the only genuine and sensible reform legislation should have been not much more than a single sentence mandating that every American has a right to full Medicare coverage. Period. End of story. True reform. True universal health insurance.

Let the health insurance industry sell their garbage to those choosing it over Medicare and as supplemental insurance, as is done today, to cover what Medicare does not. The one major reason why the US spends more of its wealth on health care than any other nation, but with lousy results for the population as a whole is that so many Americans and their employers buy costly private health insurance. Some things essential for human survival require government programs, like police and fire protection. The overwhelming opinion of those in Medicare is very positive. In fact it is far more positive than those using private health insurance.

But the health insurance industry and others have successfully corrupted Congress and brainwashed much of the population to fear true reforms. Sure, Congress will pass some legislation that Obama will sign and they all will claim victory. But the nation will not get true reforms and health care spending will continue to rise and bankrupt the nation.

And now we also are learning slowly that the financial sector that tanked our economy by pursuing enormously risky but profitable business practices and then was bailed out by the government has not learned any lessons. Banks and all kinds of financial companies are still pursuing risky businesses, still overpaying their top executives and still screwing consumers. Congress is unlikely to pass really tough regulations to put a halt to all the awful practices by financial companies. Why? Because Congress has been corrupted by money from this financial sector.

Make no mistake: Corporate corruption is a true bipartisan effort, perhaps the most bipartisan enterprise.

Obama is no more of a real reformer than any Republican. That so many on the far right think he is a socialist is laughable. He is nothing more than a defender of the corporate-owned two-party plutocracy. To see anything else is pure delusion. The US is being flushed away. A populist Second American Revolution is the only way to save the nation. It will not come from the efforts of anyone that is a Democrat or Republican.

Wake up America! Voting for Democrats or Republicans just perpetuates this corrupt system. They fiddled while Rome burned; we borrow while America sinks.

Posted by Joel S. Hirschhorn at September 14, 2009 10:43 PM
Comment #288159

The only problem that a second revolution will probably come at the hands of the wrong people. All the racists and idiots that think they have a clue what America is about will be the ones to start a civil war; it won’t be the rational folk who know better, I can bet you that. They’re too lazy!

Posted by: Mike Falino at September 15, 2009 2:33 PM
Comment #288166

The rational folk will be cowering in their homes awaiting the outcome.

There is no doubt that the most lucrative investment opportunity for the banks and the other corporations is their investment in politicians. They make billions in profits by investing paltry sums in these politicians.

Don’t let David Remer here you say the banks are back to business as usual, He will tell you that is false and give you a lesson on investment and risk.

Posted by: jlw at September 15, 2009 3:45 PM
Comment #288170

jlw, thank you for demonstrating a complete lack of understanding in your comment of David Remer wrote elsewhere.

Yes, banks are doing what banks have always done, seek the largest return on investment and lending possible. The regulations being proposed however, will rein in some of their excesses, but, I have also written that Barney Franks appears to dodge the central issue, as do all the reform proposals I have heard of so far, banks too big to fail. No one in Congress appears to be attempting to modify anti-trust laws to break up the mega banks and divide their incestuous lines of business into separate corporate entities.

Posted by: David R. Remer at September 15, 2009 3:57 PM
Comment #288171

Joel, prejudice is showing, apparently.

You write an article critiquing Obama’s banking reform measures and DO NOT list a single one. Do you even know what his reform objectives are. Can you recite them, and then critique them? You haven’t yet, so this article appears to be empty idle Obama bashing for some other hidden motive.

As for your your one line sentence health care reform idea, it is purely idiotic. Are you really suggesting that every American has a right the most expensive cutting edge experimental procedure for vanity reasons? That is what your simplistic one line comment totally ignorant of the law and its complexities would foster, along with a host of other unintended and unaffordable consequences.

One can adhere to simple principles when discussing legal prescriptions, but it is truly naive to think that writing law can also be simply stated and issued. Having developed and modified regulations for a couple of non-profit organizations I can say with experience that such rules can never be simply stated or issued. Terms have to be defined, exceptions considered, and consequences weighed and deemed acceptable for any such wording of law or regulation.

One sentence, indeed. Voters would do well to stick to mishandling voting. Millions of them have the corruption of the vote down pat.. But, writing law and regulation truly is a highly trained skill and not to be left in the hands of lay persons, especially those who believe voting the same party ticket over and over again will render a difference in government.

Posted by: David R. Remer at September 15, 2009 4:00 PM
Comment #288173

Joel, having addressed some specifics, but, I also agree with you that corporations corrupt the Congress and political party elected officials; not all, and not all of the time, but enough, and often enough, to result in our nation’s failure to pragmatically resolve the long term issues and challenges which beset it. Your last sentence is right on the money.

But, it is not that the American people are asleep. That is too simplistic an explanation. Many are too uneducated and unable to grasp objectively the complexities of the issues facing government and the nation. Others, are too busy providing for their families and themselves to afford the time to take up politics and government as an avocation. Others are, and this is a big one, are joiners, and need to feel connected and part of a group that they perceive as sharing some or most of their values, providing them with a sense of both belonging and security. These folks are party loyalists, who treat the corruptions of those within their party like wayward children or odd uncles or aunts in their family, to be defended even if their actions cannot be.

There is much more to the sociology of party affiliation and even more complexity to the rationales of voting behavior, but, asking Americans to wake up, is not going to create the outcome your comment desires, because it doesn’t address the causes of the apparent sleep state you refer to.

Posted by: David R. Remer at September 15, 2009 4:23 PM
Comment #288182

Responding to David Remer:

I am probably the only person on this site that has actually worked for Congress and had a hand in writing federal laws. There is a huge difference between what should be good law and subsequent regulations to implement laws. Congress has steadily run amok by not writing good, simple laws that set policy and have, instead, tried to anticipate regulations, resulting in hugely complex and cumbersome laws such as the current health reform ones. Medicare is just fine and people in it consistently rate it much better than those judging their private insurance plans. I do agree that breaking up the extremely large banks is critically needed but not being pursued because of the corruption I focused on. As to political parties, there are relatively few Americans who are active party loyalists. What is truly amazing is that so many people who like to classify themselves as independents keep voting for Dems and Repubs; they are addicted to lesser-evil voting. I would rather see them not vote at all.

Posted by: Joel Hirschhorn at September 15, 2009 6:30 PM
Comment #288187

Tautology, as Christine calls it. Continually repeating what is known. People know very well the problem, or at least in sufficient number to vote out incumbents if they chose to do so. They don’t choose to do so. They just sit and wait to see what the Corpocracy will do next. Some whining, and then some more waiting. Instead of us debating about what is, or what has been, why not take some action, like getting up off the courch, to do something about this worsening situation? Glen Beck, by himself, brought down one in Obama’s administration. We’re not helpless, unless we choose to be. Tonight Beck showed a video made at a San Bernadino ACORN office. The woman manager was trying to help a couple set up a business front for conducting prostitution using underage girls from El Salvador. She coached them in getting around taxes and admitted she had killed her pimp or husband when she was 35 years old. Admittedly, this is grass roots stuff. but it is illegal and this is the fourth place Beck has busted. Yet, the liberal news media has clamed up. Well, ACORN and SEIU have been allocated 8.4B of your tax dollars to conduct the next census. Now, somebody, up there, has put these people in power, awarded contracts, etc. Shouldn’t we, as taxpayers/voters take some action against the power players in this crap? Nope, don’t think so. Think I’ll wait and see what the Corpocracy does about or what they plan to do next.
Goes without saying, the only way to reform is through a third party with a different political attitude. Not necessary to vote for the lesser of two evils. Watching and waiting.

Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve!

Posted by: Roy Ellis at September 15, 2009 7:47 PM
Comment #288190

Pat Choate is out with his new book, “Saving Capitalism”. I’m off to Ga. for a few days but will be my first priority on return. He will tout revamping our trade policies and getting the government behind US. manufacturing. Says we have to level the playing field with trade, S. Korea selling thousands of cars here while we export 5 or 6k yearly to them.
Joel, maybe Pat Choate is that populist for the 2nd revolution. How about him and Walker/ex-GAO on a ticket?

Posted by: Roy Ellis at September 15, 2009 8:30 PM
Comment #288193

Americans have the right to vote, and as long as they have that right, any talk about staging “revolution” because they don’t vote the way you want them to is nothing more than a longing for facism.

I don’t use that word lightly at all and know full well how abused it is political discourse. There’s nothing wrong with voting third party or wishing that a strong third party would emerge through elections, but the fact is that a strong third party will NOT emerge because our two major parties stand for so little that they’ll just co-opt any cause that a third party could rally around.

Posted by: Paul at September 15, 2009 8:39 PM
Comment #288198

We can bring down the powerful special interests, as Roy mentions with the Acorn child prostitution scandal.

But this example points up a problem. Some people think Acorn is an instrument of corruption. Others think it is an organization that fights for the little guy. It is like that with lots of things.

The problem comes from the desire to use government in ways that are not appropriate. Give a man the tool of a government hammer and all problems start to look like nails. The only way to limit corruption is to limit the possibilities and opportunities. That means less government.

If private firms and individuals use government as an offensive weapon against their competitors, don’t give them that possibility. Don’t give government that power and it cannot be corrupted.

Posted by: Christine at September 15, 2009 9:39 PM
Comment #288202

“Now, somebody, up there, has put these people in power, awarded contracts, etc. Shouldn’t we, as taxpayers/voters take some action against the power players in this crap?” and “this is the fourth place Beck has busted.”

R.E., please stop watching Glen Beck, take 2 tylenol pm, and go to bed.

“this is the fourth place Beck has busted.”
Is he a vigilante or something when not bloviating on our airwaves?

Posted by: ohrealy at September 15, 2009 10:42 PM
Comment #288204

Acorn child prostitution.

HaHa. You mean like Republican gay sex?

Why has there been no expose on how Republicans are undermining American values by promoting gay sex?

This entire post is beyond stupid. It rants about how horrible politics is, and declares the world is miserable and no one is doing anything.

Cynicism run amok.

Posted by: gergle at September 16, 2009 12:46 AM
Comment #288206

“I am probably the only person on this site that has actually worked for Congress and had a hand in writing federal laws”

First, thank you for such hard work. However, I to believe in the idea that just one citizen can change the world. And why I won’t say that a Silver Bullet exists that can solve all of Americas’ Health. Medical, and Banking Issues of our time. I do believe that it is up to “We the People” as Individuals to contact their Elected Officials and offer their ideas and remedies on the topics.

For why Lobbyists and Organized Groups do have a place in Government and Society. I do believe that if the Left and Right of both parties would look at what would happen by enhancing Americas’ Community First Responders Services to include remote screening via video up-linking that Americas’ Democratic and Republican Civil, Political, and Religious Leaders would have no chioce, but to confront the Beasts that have made it to their desks.

Posted by: Henry Schlatman at September 16, 2009 2:48 AM
Comment #288210

What you said! And there are way more ACORN people than there are Republican lawmakers. So a case could more easily be made for Republican gay sex than it could for ACORN child prostitution.

Posted by: steve miller at September 16, 2009 9:11 AM
Comment #288213

Um, is gay sex an equivalent problem in the eyes of the left to child prostitution? Or is this just the old canard about conservatives having nothing on the brain except what the gays are up to? News flash: there are at least as many Democratic “homophobes” as there Republican ones, and being say, a gay teenager in an evangelical Christian family is no more difficult than being a gay teenager in the African-American community. And perhaps even less so.

Posted by: Paul at September 16, 2009 9:53 AM
Comment #288224

“News flash: there are at least as many Democratic “homophobes” as there Republican ones…”
No there is not, especially allowing for the Dem statistical majority. You do not get to make it up as you go along. And the answer to your insulting question is a profound NO!

Posted by: bills at September 16, 2009 12:41 PM
Comment #288227

What is this,reflexive ? BHO is doing a pretty damned good job so far. Everything I had hoped for?
Of course not. I mean,what, he has been in office for less than a year, and so he should have fixed everything by now? he is at least trying. Flat out, he will probably be killed for doing so. How about giving him a little slack. He is a very brave man’ He did not need this job. He did not need to sit in the seat of power to fulfill some wet dream. He is our best hope going forward and the alternatives are decidedly much more grim. I understand that past experience has taught you otherwise. Forget that. Sometimes, and note I said sometmes, this president needs support. He is a fluke in American politics like Lincoln a
nd FDR. We do not see them often.
Check his website. Show up at a rally and maybe give a few bucks. It won’t kill you. There is hope left.And maybe you will actually begin to raise your head up,once again, as a proud American.

Posted by: bills at September 16, 2009 1:16 PM
Comment #288229

Bills, there’s no statistical measure for “homophobia,” but if you use support for gay marriage as your yardstick, you find that attitudes correlate more closely with age, race, and region of the country than political party.

The last I heard, there was only a 2% difference between the parties (though I think that was for recognizing civil unions). If you are black, Catholic, hispanic, a blue-collar worker, or a resident of the midwest or the south, you are statistically far more likely to be against full marriage rights for gays, no matter what your party.

White urban liberals seem to only know each other and assume that the rest of their party thinks like they do. Because socially conservative evangelical Christians make the most noise about gay marriage, it’s asssumed that all Republicans feel the same way, which is false. Especially when you look at the younger generation.

Posted by: Paul at September 16, 2009 2:27 PM
Comment #288231


Um, is gay sex an equivalent problem in the eyes of the left to child prostitution?

umm, no. It is in the eyes of the right apparently.

But since you missed the point of my comment I’ll explain.

The logic of accusing Acorn for the actions of a few of it’s idiots is the same as the logic of accusing the Republican party for the actions of Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, Larry Craig, Bob Allen, and Glenn Murphy, Jr.

But thanks for your patent falsehoods and broad bush bigotry. If you’re advocating for the party, I’d just stop.

Posted by: gergle at September 16, 2009 2:37 PM
Comment #288249

Support or opposition to marriage rights for same sex couples is not a measure of homophobia. Homophobia is a mental disorder usually engendered by unresolved conflicts concerning latent homosexuality of the sufferer. Once one realizes that it makes for some ironic entertainment watching those on the right decry homosexuality while getting busted hanging out in public toilets.A laugh a minute.

Posted by: bills at September 16, 2009 9:54 PM
Comment #288260


“I am probably the only person on this site that has actually worked for Congress and had a hand in writing federal laws.”

And this helps us how?
Perhaps you might fill us in on the details so we can all judge the effectiveness of these laws for ourselves.

“What is truly amazing is that so many people who like to classify themselves as independents keep voting for Dems and Repubs; they are addicted to lesser-evil voting. I would rather see them not vote at all.”

Surely you don’t think someone like Cynthia McKinney, or Bob Barr, or even Ralph Nader, would be doing a better job right now than Obama.
I mean really, Chuck Baldwin?

Come on Joel, give me someone that’s actually worthwhile to vote for.


“Some people think Acorn is an instrument of corruption. Others think it is an organization that fights for the little guy.”

I had long hair during the ’60s.
Bill Ayers had long hair during the ’60s.
Does this mean that I was a member of the “Weather Underground” or even supported their policies?
Certainly not!
Americans often seem like sheep. They often believe what they’re told to believe, especially if it is repeated aud nauseum.


Posted by: Rocky Marks at September 17, 2009 8:05 AM
Comment #288614

I think the american tax payers in each state should just get together and start a movement to empeach theire reps, if they are not doing theire job.end of story

Posted by: kd at September 28, 2009 10:31 PM
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