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I Believe!!

He’s my man!!
He will work for me!
He is going to help ME…..

A woman was interviewed after an Obama rally....
Does she REALLY believe that Barrack Obama will help her pay for gas she puts in her car and pay her mortgage????
O.K. I receive the daily e-mails from Glenn Beck.
I received one today titled 'Idiot Obama Supporter'.
It led me to this YouTube video: 'Modest Expectations From An Obama Supporter'
The woman was all fired up and couldn't get out of there and to the early voting booth outside the rally fast enough!!!
How can she, or anyone, believe that Obama will pay her mortgage??
Have you heard of 'Tito the builder'?
'Tito the Builder on H&C''...Best line: “This is to intimidate Colmes.”...from Michelle Malkin
Tito. He is obviously a Patriotic American.
Why do I say that?
The man knows what he is talking about when it comes to the difference between 'The American Dream' and how it is accomplished, and a socialistic government that buys votes and invites citizens to depend on politicians and government because they 'give' money and promise to 'take care' of people.
I can't imagine why anyone would be against what 'Joe the Plumber' and 'Tito the Builder' stand for.
It could be because we are the owners of one of those small businesses.
It could be because we do not want to pay more in capital gains taxes.
Could it be because I saw people living on public assistance running around with cell phones before our budget allowed us to afford one?
One of the biggest mistakes our government made was giving people 'debit cards' to pay for their groceries instead of experiencing the 'shame' of using food stamps.

I don't truly believe Obama wants to turn us into a 'Venezuela'.
I believe he wants to run our Federal Government like a Union.
Obama makes it sound like he will bring all our jobs back while giving handouts to people who make less than ???.
We had welfare reform, which brought people into the workforce and off government assistance.
Was that wrong?
Now Obama wants to give checks to people who already receive all money they pay in back. In many cases, they already receive more than they paid, thanks to income credits and such.
I know the last time I filed my taxes, before I remarried; I received ALL the money I paid in plus another $700 just because my income was so low.

'Tito the Builder' had it right when he said, 'I don't want his $2,000. It works out to 96 cents/hour and I am worth more than that'...sorry paraphrasing.
What do poor people spend that money on? TV's? Computers? Eating out? Everything they could not buy previously at Wal-Mart?

How many of them actually use that money to better their situation?
It's nothing but the Federal Government playing 'Santa Claus' and giving a gift to get a vote.

First step to socialism.
Where do these people, who want that check, think the money comes from?
I'm better off because I can finally buy that computer to open a 'MySpace' account and watch Youtube?
We pay taxes on those items. If companies are charged more in taxes they will raise the price.
If companies have to pay more taxes and small businesses will be required to provide health insurance....

Today I spoke with a friend who is about to give birth to her 5th child. Her new husband works part-time at McDonald's. They are on their 2nd child in less than 2 years. She said she is getting her tubes tied after this one. She has been on public assistance for more than 10 years.
I told her I didn't get my tubes tied because our insurance wouldn't pay for it. We couldn't afford it after I had our 2nd child.
She said, 'I guess I am lucky because medicaid is paying for mine'.
She's lucky? or are we lucky she won't have any more children?
She watches our girls for us when we bowl. I had a phone put in for her as part of her pay for watching our girls. She has a one year old and is due by monday..she will be induced. If I gave her the money they would blow it on fast food or DVD's.
Don't tell me that giving them, or anyone like them, is helping. I had a phone put in for them and they ran up a $95 bill the first month because they were too lazy to hit the redial button and used the automatic callback at $1.99 a whack!! O.K. $35 of that bill was for information because they were too lazy to use a phone book. I have never used auto callback & I may have called information 10 times EVER in my whole adult life.

We give to charities. We have helped family members of friends who are serving in Iraq and fell on hard times.
If our government decides to take more from us in taxes we won't be able to help those we CHOOSE to help.

Just the thought of Obama taking away....the 'American Way'.....it's a sickening thought.

Question: How many places had early voting nearby Obama rallies?

' N.C. GOP lashes out at voting sites near Obama rally'


Posted by Dawn at November 1, 2008 12:50 AM
Comments
Comment #269045

I can’t help but crack up at the stereotype that “tito the builder” is perperuating.

The accent is not all that bad for an actor. Great at the math though….

Posted by: Bandman at November 1, 2008 1:20 AM
Comment #269046

Why are the ‘stereotypes’ so funny?
How do you think voters are targeted?

Posted by: Dawn at November 1, 2008 1:46 AM
Comment #269047

There’s nothing more disgusting than a low information voter being optimistic about Obama. Optimism really sucks.

Now, in Texas, they have their Republican low information voter act together. Instead of optimism, they do fear; instead of hope, they believe in lies: 23% of Texans believe Obama is a muslim. You betcha!

Yeah, poor people get all the breaks. It sucks not to be poor.

Posted by: phx8 at November 1, 2008 1:56 AM
Comment #269051

Dawn, the economy exists to sever the ends of the people who participate in it. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. Republicans have acted as if the economy rests upon corporate profits regardless of whether demand is rising or falling. We know this, because they insist on cutting taxes when economy is strong and weak, all the while funneling tax payer dollars to those for profit corporations via subsidies, tax cuts, waivers to laws, turning the oversight eye away, and generally trusting in their shareholding profit potential benefitting from a lack of oversight, accountability, and regulation enforcing sound balance and income statement management.

I agree with you 100% that the practice of buying votes with pork spending that doesn’t fit a national plan and budget of priorities insuring our economic future is an abyssmal consequence of how we Americans handle our democracy. But, that is not socialism, that is nothing more than a badly managed democratic republic wherein both the voters and their politicians must share in the blame.

Socialism is the involuntary control by the government elite of the means to production and enterprise. We are very, very far from socialism. People are want to talk about single payer health insurance as a socialist health care system. But, it simply isn’t, because the health care delivery system remains in the private sector. It is only the insurance aspect that becomes socialized, but only partially, as the balance of the insurance industry remains in the private sector.

You know, you have to give the Chinese credit. At one time they had an entirely socialist economic system with a centrally controlled command government. If the word capitalism had been treated as inappropriately as Americans treat the word socialism, China never would have entered the global market place to position itself as the single largest national economy of the 21st century. The Chinese instead, wisely boasted the strengths of both social policy and capitalism, each in their proper proportion and appropriate place in their economy. In removing the stereotypes and propaganda fear definitions of capitalism, they were able to employ it for the benefit of their economic future and the Chinese society as a whole.

If only Americans would take a similar approach, and seek a long term wholistic plan for our economic future, prioritize the steps and tools to get us there, and dispense with the ideological dogma surrounding those steps and tools, we could get on with the job of securing America’s future.

The reason China will surpass the U.S. economically is not their numbers or wealth of human capital. The reason they will surpass us is because they have a long term plan for where they want to go and won’t allow detractors to deviate the nation’s course from its intended future. They have a one party state, which means that one party can maintain the nation’s step by step plans to realize their future national objectives.

We have a two party system, and we change parties, every 12 to 16 years or so. And in so doing, we change the future objectives, but, more importantly, with each change in party, we abandon the steps underway to achieve our objectives, and start from scratch again. America has no long term plan for where it wants to be that can maintain itself for more than 12 to 16 years.

That is why China will surpass the U.S. as the single largest and most robust economy in the 21st century.

Our two party system need not be so destructive of our future, as it is. But, in order to end the destructiveness of our two party system, the long term objectives and goals for our children’s and grand children’s future must be shared by the people, and the voters must be willing to vote out their representatives, whose tenures fail to meet progress toward that future. If we had such a system at this time, barely 20% of the House of Representatives would be reelected this year, and literally a whole third of the Senate would not be reelected.

But, Americans lack that shared vision of our future and the education to recognize their obligation to vote out their representatives when the government fails to meet voter’s expectations for progress toward that shared vision of the future.

The first sign that Americans have achieved a shared vision of the future is when they vote 65% or more for a candidate for president who runs on such a long term vision and plan for where America needs to go.

And the first sign that Americans have educated themselves on their responsibility and duty as voters empowered to realize that future, is when they boot incumbents of both parties out in record numbers in a single election.

Many of us will continue to work to insure such signs of hope are realized in our lifetimes. But, it remains a very iffy proposition at best. The Parties themselves must awaken to these realities and embrace them, or, the voters must reject the duopoly parties in favor of another that will pursue a long term plan and practical consistent steps to achieiving it.

The rising numbers of registered independent voters is the most hopeful sign we have at the moment that such a future is possible. Registered independent voters now outnumber all registered Democratic voters and all registered Republican voters. This is a sign of progress in the direction we need to go in.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 1, 2008 5:26 AM
Comment #269054

I’m trying to understand something here.
You apparently think your friend is too stupid or lazy to handle money, or vote for a president, but competent to care for your child?

I just have a problem getting my mind around that.

Posted by: googlumpugus at November 1, 2008 6:56 AM
Comment #269060

‘A Chicken in Every Pot and a Car in Every Garage’ slogan of Herbert Hoover’s 1928 presidential campaign it worked for him, I know a different time and era and a different philosophy, also i believe the republicans were using that slogan to promote the Achievements of the 1920s, Yes i wish Obama was A little more Specific on some issues It’s a one time deal, Our system needs to be somewhat flexible Example the Former Soviet Union and on the Flip side the new Russia, I take it your friend doesn’t read watchblog :)

Posted by: Rodney Brown at November 1, 2008 11:06 AM
Comment #269064

Dawn,
Why both Presidential Candidates fall far short in my humble opinion of displaying the leadership necessary to take the debate of labor and management in America to the next level I do see a false belief by the Left and the Right in their view of government.

First, Senator McCain and Governor Palin has gotten their followers to believe that spreading the wealth around is socialism; however, they fail to tell their followers that if the Elders and Powers-that-Be that felt that way in the Late 60’s and early 70’s would of had their way than almost all of the Republicans today would be just as broke as the bottom 40% who does not make enough to warrent paying Federal Income Tax.

Second, they say that they can pay off the National Debt in 4 years, but simple math demands that $2.5 Trilion dollars of the near $3 Trillion dollars in payroll tax goes toward that effort. So even under the best of conditions IMHO it is a broken promise.

Third, Senator McCain promises to get corrpurtion out of Washington, yet selects a VP who has been proven to violate the Spirit of the Law. So not only do I have to question his judment, but openly wonder if the Republican Presidential ticket win would not be seen by the rest of the world as Al Qaeda wining the War of Ideology.

Fourth, Senator McCain support of Trickle Down Economics in order to win the Race to the Bottom. For if this is the Republicans idea of building a better world than please tell this Uncivilized Gentleman that I can rule the world.

For why the current market meltdown could of been fixed by increasing the wages of every worker in America by $3.00/hr while the Corporation enjoyed a $120.00 tax deduction. One has to wonder if Hannity and Rush would tell their Advertisors, Customers, Employees, and Investors to go screw themselve as they ask “We the People” for yet another tax deduction.

Yes, America was founded on Capitalism and although Senators Obama and Biden has got to go a long way to proving that the Democratic Party has come to learn that it is “We the Consumer” that rule “We the Corporation” I have heard encouraging words from their mouths that offer hope.

First, Obama has made it a part of his “Plan of Change” to include America becoming Energy Independent in the next 10 years. And why I know that My Peers and their Children of the 21st Century will never let me have my way of doing things, I was happy to hear from Obama that he kept his powder dry so that he could work with the Moerates of the Left, Right, and Center.

Second, and as an American Layman Citizen, I was impressed when he acknowledged that Washington does not tell “We the People” what to do, but listens to all the ideas introduced by the Public to come up with a Comprehensive Economic, Energy, and Environmential Plan.

Third, Obama realizes that if the Whitehouse and Congress is going to use the Power of the Federal Government than allowing “We the People” to invest in Infrastructure (one of the roles of government)for the 21st Century bets driving America further in debt.

Fourth and possible a personal opinion, I like the idea that the first President for the Children of the 21st Century battle to exercise their Guaranteed Civil and Constitutional Rights to build a Better World than their Parents and Grandparents would be well versed in CONSTITUTIONAL LAW!

Yes, call it selffish if you must, but having decided to step forward after the election so that folks like googlumpugus can understand why I am so stubborn in My Points of View. I do believe that almost every American can agree that the time has come for the Learned and Unlearned of Society to grow up and face the Future knowing that the Human Race will survive even if that means the Children of the 21st Century has to come up with their own Argument of Stupidity to explain Pure Carbon and Crystal Motors to their grandchildren.

So whichever way everybody decides to vote has been, is, and should always be left up to the Moment of the Heart. I am proud to have wittnessed my fellow Bloggers be them Democratic, Independent, and Republican Citizens remain civilized in their Debate of Labor and Management.

Posted by: Henry Schlatman at November 1, 2008 11:40 AM
Comment #269066
phx8 wrote: Now, in Texas, they have their Republican low information voter act together.
phx8, I live near Dallas, Texas.

Texas usually a red state (based on electoral votes).
But I’m afraid that the disease you speak of spreads far beyond the borders of Texas.

Any way, a few days ago, one of my customers told me “Obama is a muslim”.

Risking losing a customer, I said that’s an urban legend. Even McCain was seen on television saying that was not true.

He then said “Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.”

I said that’s an urban legend too. Obama was born in Hawaii. There’s a lot of lies floating around. If you want to verify some of these things you’re hearing and reading, check out factcheck.or or snopes.com or some other fact-checking sites.

He then said “How do you know the fact checkers are telin’ the truth? Besides, Obama will raise our taxes.”

I said “Obama is raising taxes on capital gains and only on high income brackets”, which will make the taxes we all pay closer to a flat percentage; that is, less regressive and less unfair.”

He then said “Obama won’t wear a lapel pin of the U.S. flag or put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegience.”.

I said nothing after that, because I could see that the facts don’t matter.
And I did not vote for Obama or McCain.
However, it’s hard to debunk such lies and propaganda when people are determined to believe what ever they want, regardless of the truth.

The fact is, people are defined by their actions and the company they keep, and BOTH Obama and McCain have crappy voting records, and the company they BOTH keep is hundreds of irresponsible, FOR-SALE, look-the-other-way, corrupt, and incompetent incumbents in CONGRESS.

So, it isn’t necessary to make up lies about Obama and McCain.
Just look at their voting records, actions, positions, plans.
Those alone are ample reason to be concerned.
Both Obama and McCain despicably pit Americans and illegal aliens against each other for votes , profits , and severely misplaced or false compassion.
McCain voted for the fistt shamnesty of 1986, which more than quadrupled the problem.

Yesterday, someone on the radio was telling voters to “vote straight Democrat ticket”.

That is how the two-party duopoly continues to maintain 85%-to-90% re-election rates.
That is how the two-party duopoly continues to simply take turns gettin’ theirs, fleecing the middle class, and ignoring the nation’s pressing problems, growing dangerously in number and severity.

Regardless of who becomes the next President/VP (of which I don’t care much), repeatedly rewarding bad incumbent politicians with re-election isn’t too smart.
As a result, too many Americans are essentially crappin’ in their own nest.
The problem is that some of us are gettin’ crapped on more than others.
So, how long can we all crap in our own nest before the branch it all rests upon finally comes crashing down?
Our economic situation is still very serious.
These bail-outs for the banks, corporations, and Wall Street have only delayed the problem, while making the problem much larger.

Our economic problems are not over, and that will become painfully obvious in a few months, because we still have:

  • [01] massive National Debt of $10.6 Trillion.

  • [02] massive federal debt of $23 Trillion if including the $12.8 Trillion borrowed and spent from Social Security, leaving it pay-as-you-go, with a 77 Million baby-boomer bubble approaching (over 13,175 new recipients per day;

  • [03] massive nation-wide debt of $67 Trillion, which has never been larger in magnitude and as a percentage of GDP;

  • [04] record-level foreclosures (10,000 per day! (One-Simple-Idea.com/Foreclosures.gif)

  • [05] home equities that have never been lower (below 50%) since year 1945.

  • [06] falling home ownership, which has fallen since year 2006 for low-income and middle-income groups. A study shows that only 59.6% of working class families owned their homes in 2003, lower than the 62.5% in year 1978. That is, home ownership is rising among the wealthy, while falling for most Americans that are losing wealth, losing equity, losing income, and losing their homes at record levels. Currently, home ownership is in a record plunge, and the 4th quarter of 2007 had the biggest one-year drop (1.1%) since tracking began in year 1965.

  • [07] the gap between nation-wide debt and GDP is growing extremely fast (200%=$10Trillion-to-$5Trillion in year 1976; now 482%=$67Trillion-to-13.9Trillion);

  • [08] taxes are still regressive (One-Simple-Idea.com/DisparityTrend.htm#Taxes); we have never had so many different kinds of taxes (One-Simple-Idea.com/Taxes1.htm); many of which are regressive sales taxes. The current tax code is ridiculously complex (by design) with a myriad of tax loop-holes that mostly benefit the wealthy.

  • [09] the wealth disparity gap is still growing, has never been larger since year 1930, and has been widening every consecutive year since year 1976 (going from 20% to 40% of all wealth owned by 1% of the population): One-Simple-Idea.com/WealthIncomeInflationDebtGDP.gif;

  • [10] the monetary system is still a dishonest, usurious, predatory, inflationary, upside-down pryamid scheme that is eroding wages, savings, and creating economic instability;

  • [11] illegal immigration is essentially being ignored and neither Obama or McCain (who voted for the 1st shamnesty of 1986) are likely to address it; BOTH want to pass another shamnesty, and the problem will get much worse because neither will combine border security and internal enforcement to stop greedy illegal employers. Illegal immigration has never been worse and more costly, costing American citizens an estimated $70 Billion to $338 Billion annually in net losses (One-Simple-Idea.com/BorderSecurity.htm#Burdens). The problem has quadrupled since the amnesty of year 1986. Hundreds of overrun hospitals have closed (60-to-84 in California alone), California is now laying off 20,000 teachers in the public school system. 29% of all people incarcerated in Federal prisons are illegal aliens. The politicians (despicably) capitalize on it in 3 ways:
    • by pitting American citizens and illegal aliens against each other for profits and to depress wages (Wage_Stagnation + Cheap_Labor = Big_Profits);

    • by dividing the voters (capitalizing on Americans misplaced compassion for illegal aliens more than their fellow Americans);

    • and by pandering for votes;
  • [12] health care that is not only increasingly unaffordable, but dangerous too! HealthGrades.com reported (27-July-2004) that “An average of 195,000 people in the U.S. died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records”. Since 1999, that is over 1.5 million people killed by preventable medical mistakes. That is more than all the American soldiers killed in the American Revolution (4,435), the War of 1812 (2,260), the Indian Wars (1,000), the Mexican War (1,733), the Civil War (462,000), the Spanish American War (385), WWI (53,402), WWII (291,557), Vietnam War (58,209), Korean War (36,574), the Iraq Gulf War (529), and the current Iraq war Mar-2003-present (3,963), combined!

  • [13] falling real median household incomes, which have fallen since year 1999, and have actually never been lower since year 1978 when also including the fact that:
    • there are now more workers per household;

    • we have more regressive taxation (voters should ask to see the tax curve on gross income; before a myriad of tax loop holes are applied);

    • and the 40-hour work week is disappearing;

    • urban sprawl and high fuel costs are hammering the middle-income and lower-income levels;
  • [14] falling average personal savings rates, which have been negative (since year 2005), and have never been worse since 1933.

  • [15] energy vulnerabilities; prices have fallen, but for how long? Will this dull the sense of urgency to pursue alternative energy sources until it is too late (again)?

  • [16] Federal government bloat, which has never been worse (www.akdart.com/gov1.html), and continues to grow to nightmare proportions (One-). There are now more jobs in government than all manufacturing nation-wide.

  • [17] strong global competition, which has never been stronger. Unfair trade deals and our own politicians are cheating most Americans. Trade deficits have never been larger (see China: www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2008). Transnational corporations want cheap labor (WageStagnation + CheapLabor = BigProfits). Jobs are leaving the nation in droves; a trend that started in the early 1970s, and also helps to explain why real median household incomes have actually been falling since year 1978. Also, while 6.1% unemployment doesn’t sound bad, the jump from 5.0% to 5.5% (from April-2008 to May-2008) is the largest one-month increase in 22 years (source: U.S. Labor Dept.). Also, one should remember that the population is growing by 5 million per year too. So the number of unemployed is growing larger, even if the percentage isn’t.

  • [18] inflation is reported to be 5.37% (as of Aug-2008), but is it really only 5.37%? The federal government changed the way it measures inflation in years 1983 and 1998.
    Remember the double-digit inflation of the late 1970s and early 1980s ? Based on the pre-1983 measurement method, inflation today is really 15.6% (One-Simple-Idea.com/DebtAndMoney.htm#Measurement)!

  • [19] 2 wars (in Iraq and Afghanistan);

  • [20] a plutocratic/kleptocratic government; government is FOR-SALE; 99.7% of all 200 million eligible voters are vastly out-spent by a tiny 0.3% who make 83% of all federal campaign donations of $200 or more (One-Simple-Idea.com/)

  • [21] 90% of elections are won by the candidate that spends the most money (usually the incumbent politician). Pulling the party-lever is a nation-wide disease.

  • [22] Medicare has hundreds of billions of unfunded liabilities per year, which are being funded by more borrowing and debt. It is not sustainable; especially with the approaching 77 million baby-boomer bubble. In year 2007, Medicare (16%) and Medicaid (7%) combined were 23% of the $2.7 Trillion federal budget.
    • Year 2007: $432 Billion (16% of federal budget)

    • Year 2006: $374 Billion (14% of federal budget)

    • Year 2005: $333 Billion (13% of federal budget)

    • Year 2000: $216 Billion (12% of federal budget)

    • Year 1990: $107 Billion ( 9% of federal budget)

    • Year 1980: $34 Billion ( 6% of federal budget)

    • Year 1970: $7 Billion ( 4% of federal budget)
  • [23] lawlessness, constitutional violations (One-Simple-Idea.com/ConstitutionalViolations1.htm), legal plunder, eminent domain abuse, etc.

  • [24] And still, no one can answer one simple question:
    • QUESTION: Where will the money come from to merely pay the INTEREST on $54-to-$67 Trillion of (one-simple-idea.com/DisparityTrend.htm#NationWideDebt) nation-wide debt , much less the money to reduce the current PRINCIPAL debt of $54-to-$67 Trillion , when that money does not already exist? Especially when now, 80% of the U.S. population owns only 17% (or less) of all wealth, and 1% owns 40% of all wealth (up by 20% from 20% in year 1976); a wealth disparity gap that has never been worse since the Great Depression?
And if the federal government and Federal Reserve try to solve our massive debt and economic problems with more debt, borrowing, money printing, pork-barrel, bail-outs for the wealthy, and rampant spending, a bad situation will most likely become MUCH worse. If federal government and the Federal Reserve crash the currency, the problem will erase savings, pensions, incomes, entitlements, and all buying power.

Hyperinflation has happened before and it can happen again.
Today, we have the perfect ingredients for hyperinflation (not only in the U.S., but in numerous nations).
Hyperinflation has occurred in the following countries in the last 150 years:

  • Weimar Republic of Germany 1920 – 1923 (1/466 billionth of starting value),

  • Zimbabwe 2003 - present (6 quadrillionth of the starting value and continuing to fall),

  • Former Soviet Union 1993 – 2002 (1/14th of starting value),

  • Argentina 1975 – 1983 (1/1,000th of starting value),

  • Austria 1921 – 1923 (about 1/4 of starting value),

  • Bolivia 1984 - 1986 (1/1,000 of starting value);

  • Bosnia-Herzegovina 1992 – 1993 (1/100,000th of starting value),

  • Brazil 1960 – 1994 (1 trillionth of starting value), Chile 1971 – 1973 (1/3rd of starting value),

  • China 1947 – 1955 (1/10,000th of starting value),

  • Greece 1943 – 1953 (1/50 trillionth of starting value),

  • Hungary 1945 – 1946 (100 quintillionth of the starting value),

  • Hungary 1922 – 1923 (1/4 of starting value),

  • Israel 1976 – 1986 (1/16th of starting value),

  • Japan 1934 – 1951 (1/362nd of starting value),

  • Poland 1990 – 94 (1/10,000th of starting value),

  • U.S.A. (Confederate States of America) 1861 – 1865 (1/90th of starting value, and then, by the end of the Civil War, the Confederate Dollar depreciated to zero).

  • It also happened in the ancient Roman Empire, when the silver and gold coinage of that day was progressively debased with base metals, in order to fund wars, giveaways to the Plebeians, and various other adventures. There are many additional examples that I have not bothered to cover here.
If the federal government and the Federal Reserve crash the currency, then you may need a wheelbarrow full of U.S. currency to merely buy a loaf of bread. There is a fairly strong possibility of this happening, because of a perfect storm of economic problems, and the motive to prevent defaulting on current debt by creating more money out of thin air (www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n3g5lUgkWk&feature=related).

Any way, pulling the party-lever is for blind, brainwashed, partisan loyalists who:

  • love THEIR party more than their country.

  • are too lazy to look at, or care about, the voting records of THEIR Congress persons.

  • are PARTISAN-CENTRIC instead of PRINCIPLE-CENTRIC.

  • are oblivious to the fact that 90% of elections are won by the candidate that spends the most money (usually the incumbent politicians).

  • are willing to ignore or rationalize how THEIR politicians despicably pit them and illegal aliens against each other for votes , profits , and severely misplaced or false compassion.

At any rate, the voters have the government that the voters elect, and re-elect, and re-elect, and re-elect , … , at least until that finally becomes too painful.

Posted by: d.a.n at November 1, 2008 11:44 AM
Comment #269067
phx8 wrote: Now, in Texas, they have their Republican low information voter act together.
phx8, I live near Dallas, Texas.

Texas usually a red state (based on electoral votes).
But I’m afraid that the disease you speak of spreads far beyond the borders of Texas.

Any way, a few days ago, one of my customers told me “Obama is a muslim”.

Risking losing a customer, I said that’s an urban legend. Even McCain was seen on television saying that was not true.

He then said “Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.”

I said that’s an urban legend too. Obama was born in Hawaii. There’s a lot of lies floating around. If you want to verify some of these things you’re hearing and reading, check out factcheck.or or snopes.com or some other fact-checking sites.

He then said “How do you know the fact checkers are telin’ the truth? Besides, Obama will raise our taxes.”

I said “Obama is raising taxes on capital gains and only on high income brackets”, which will make the taxes we all pay closer to a flat percentage; that is, less regressive and less unfair.”

He then said “Obama won’t wear a lapel pin of the U.S. flag or put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegience.”.

I said nothing after that, because I could see that the facts don’t matter.
And I did not vote for Obama or McCain.
However, it’s hard to debunk such lies and propaganda when people are determined to believe what ever they want, regardless of the truth.

The fact is, people are defined by their actions and the company they keep, and BOTH Obama and McCain have crappy voting records, and the company they BOTH keep is hundreds of irresponsible, FOR-SALE, look-the-other-way, corrupt, and incompetent incumbents in CONGRESS.

So, it isn’t necessary to make up lies about Obama and McCain.
Just look at their voting records, actions, positions, plans.
Those alone are ample reason to be concerned.
Both Obama and McCain despicably pit Americans and illegal aliens against each other for votes , profits , and severely misplaced or false compassion.
McCain voted for the fistt shamnesty of 1986, which more than quadrupled the problem.

Yesterday, someone on the radio was telling voters to “vote straight Democrat ticket”.

That is how the two-party duopoly continues to maintain 85%-to-90% re-election rates.
That is how the two-party duopoly continues to simply take turns gettin’ theirs, fleecing the middle class, and ignoring the nation’s pressing problems, growing dangerously in number and severity.

Regardless of who becomes the next President/VP (of which I don’t care much), repeatedly rewarding bad incumbent politicians with re-election isn’t too smart.
As a result, too many Americans are essentially crappin’ in their own nest.
The problem is that some of us are gettin’ crapped on more than others.
So, how long can we all crap in our own nest before the branch it all rests upon finally comes crashing down?
Our economic situation is still very serious.
These bail-outs for the banks, corporations, and Wall Street have only delayed the problem, while making the problem much larger.

Our economic problems are not over, and that will become painfully obvious in a few months, because we still have:

  • [01] massive National Debt of $10.6 Trillion.

  • [02] massive federal debt of $23 Trillion if including the $12.8 Trillion borrowed and spent from Social Security, leaving it pay-as-you-go, with a 77 Million baby-boomer bubble approaching (over 13,175 new recipients per day;

  • [03] massive nation-wide debt of $67 Trillion, which has never been larger in magnitude and as a percentage of GDP;

  • [04] record-level foreclosures (10,000 per day! (One-Simple-Idea.com/Foreclosures.gif)

  • [05] home equities that have never been lower (below 50%) since year 1945.

  • [06] falling home ownership, which has fallen since year 2006 for low-income and middle-income groups. A study shows that only 59.6% of working class families owned their homes in 2003, lower than the 62.5% in year 1978. That is, home ownership is rising among the wealthy, while falling for most Americans that are losing wealth, losing equity, losing income, and losing their homes at record levels. Currently, home ownership is in a record plunge, and the 4th quarter of 2007 had the biggest one-year drop (1.1%) since tracking began in year 1965.

  • [07] the gap between nation-wide debt and GDP is growing extremely fast (200%=$10Trillion-to-$5Trillion in year 1976; now 482%=$67Trillion-to-13.9Trillion);

  • [08] taxes are still regressive (One-Simple-Idea.com/DisparityTrend.htm#Taxes); we have never had so many different kinds of taxes (One-Simple-Idea.com/Taxes1.htm); many of which are regressive sales taxes. The current tax code is ridiculously complex (by design) with a myriad of tax loop-holes that mostly benefit the wealthy.

  • [09] the wealth disparity gap is still growing, has never been larger since year 1930, and has been widening every consecutive year since year 1976 (going from 20% to 40% of all wealth owned by 1% of the population): One-Simple-Idea.com/WealthIncomeInflationDebtGDP.gif;

  • [10] the monetary system is still a dishonest, usurious, predatory, inflationary, upside-down pryamid scheme that is eroding wages, savings, and creating economic instability;

  • [11] illegal immigration is essentially being ignored and neither Obama or McCain (who voted for the 1st shamnesty of 1986) are likely to address it; BOTH want to pass another shamnesty, and the problem will get much worse because neither will combine border security and internal enforcement to stop greedy illegal employers. Illegal immigration has never been worse and more costly, costing American citizens an estimated $70 Billion to $338 Billion annually in net losses (One-Simple-Idea.com/BorderSecurity.htm#Burdens). The problem has quadrupled since the amnesty of year 1986. Hundreds of overrun hospitals have closed (60-to-84 in California alone), California is now laying off 20,000 teachers in the public school system. 29% of all people incarcerated in Federal prisons are illegal aliens. The politicians (despicably) capitalize on it in 3 ways:
    • by pitting American citizens and illegal aliens against each other for profits and to depress wages (Wage_Stagnation + Cheap_Labor = Big_Profits);

    • by dividing the voters (capitalizing on Americans misplaced compassion for illegal aliens more than their fellow Americans);

    • and by pandering for votes;
  • [12] health care that is not only increasingly unaffordable, but dangerous too! HealthGrades.com reported (27-July-2004) that “An average of 195,000 people in the U.S. died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records”. Since 1999, that is over 1.5 million people killed by preventable medical mistakes. That is more than all the American soldiers killed in the American Revolution (4,435), the War of 1812 (2,260), the Indian Wars (1,000), the Mexican War (1,733), the Civil War (462,000), the Spanish American War (385), WWI (53,402), WWII (291,557), Vietnam War (58,209), Korean War (36,574), the Iraq Gulf War (529), and the current Iraq war Mar-2003-present (3,963), combined!

  • [13] falling real median household incomes, which have fallen since year 1999, and have actually never been lower since year 1978 when also including the fact that:
    • there are now more workers per household;

    • we have more regressive taxation (voters should ask to see the tax curve on gross income; before a myriad of tax loop holes are applied);

    • and the 40-hour work week is disappearing;

    • urban sprawl and high fuel costs are hammering the middle-income and lower-income levels;
  • [14] falling average personal savings rates, which have been negative (since year 2005), and have never been worse since 1933.

  • [15] energy vulnerabilities; prices have fallen, but for how long? Will this dull the sense of urgency to pursue alternative energy sources until it is too late (again)?

  • [16] Federal government bloat, which has never been worse (www.akdart.com/gov1.html), and continues to grow to nightmare proportions (One-). There are now more jobs in government than all manufacturing nation-wide.

  • [17] strong global competition, which has never been stronger. Unfair trade deals and our own politicians are cheating most Americans. Trade deficits have never been larger (see China: www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2008). Transnational corporations want cheap labor (WageStagnation + CheapLabor = BigProfits). Jobs are leaving the nation in droves; a trend that started in the early 1970s, and also helps to explain why real median household incomes have actually been falling since year 1978. Also, while 6.1% unemployment doesn’t sound bad, the jump from 5.0% to 5.5% (from April-2008 to May-2008) is the largest one-month increase in 22 years (source: U.S. Labor Dept.). Also, one should remember that the population is growing by 5 million per year too. So the number of unemployed is growing larger, even if the percentage isn’t.

  • [18] inflation is reported to be 5.37% (as of Aug-2008), but is it really only 5.37%? The federal government changed the way it measures inflation in years 1983 and 1998.
    Remember the double-digit inflation of the late 1970s and early 1980s ? Based on the pre-1983 measurement method, inflation today is really 15.6% (One-Simple-Idea.com/DebtAndMoney.htm#Measurement)!

  • [19] 2 wars (in Iraq and Afghanistan);

  • [20] a plutocratic/kleptocratic government; government is FOR-SALE; 99.7% of all 200 million eligible voters are vastly out-spent by a tiny 0.3% who make 83% of all federal campaign donations of $200 or more (One-Simple-Idea.com/)

  • [21] 90% of elections are won by the candidate that spends the most money (usually the incumbent politician). Pulling the party-lever is a nation-wide disease.

  • [22] Medicare has hundreds of billions of unfunded liabilities per year, which are being funded by more borrowing and debt. It is not sustainable; especially with the approaching 77 million baby-boomer bubble. In year 2007, Medicare (16%) and Medicaid (7%) combined were 23% of the $2.7 Trillion federal budget.
    • Year 2007: $432 Billion (16% of federal budget)

    • Year 2006: $374 Billion (14% of federal budget)

    • Year 2005: $333 Billion (13% of federal budget)

    • Year 2000: $216 Billion (12% of federal budget)

    • Year 1990: $107 Billion ( 9% of federal budget)

    • Year 1980: $34 Billion ( 6% of federal budget)

    • Year 1970: $7 Billion ( 4% of federal budget)
  • [23] lawlessness, constitutional violations (One-Simple-Idea.com/ConstitutionalViolations1.htm), legal plunder, eminent domain abuse, etc.

  • [24] And still, no one can answer one simple question:
    • QUESTION: Where will the money come from to merely pay the INTEREST on $54-to-$67 Trillion of (one-simple-idea.com/DisparityTrend.htm#NationWideDebt) nation-wide debt , much less the money to reduce the current PRINCIPAL debt of $54-to-$67 Trillion , when that money does not already exist? Especially when now, 80% of the U.S. population owns only 17% (or less) of all wealth, and 1% owns 40% of all wealth (up by 20% from 20% in year 1976); a wealth disparity gap that has never been worse since the Great Depression?
And if the federal government and Federal Reserve try to solve our massive debt and economic problems with more debt, borrowing, money printing, pork-barrel, bail-outs for the wealthy, and rampant spending, a bad situation will most likely become MUCH worse. If federal government and the Federal Reserve crash the currency, the problem will erase savings, pensions, incomes, entitlements, and all buying power.

Hyperinflation has happened before and it can happen again.
Today, we have the perfect ingredients for hyperinflation (not only in the U.S., but in numerous nations).
Hyperinflation has occurred in the following countries in the last 150 years:

  • Weimar Republic of Germany 1920 – 1923 (1/466 billionth of starting value),

  • Zimbabwe 2003 - present (6 quadrillionth of the starting value and continuing to fall),

  • Former Soviet Union 1993 – 2002 (1/14th of starting value),

  • Argentina 1975 – 1983 (1/1,000th of starting value),

  • Austria 1921 – 1923 (about 1/4 of starting value),

  • Bolivia 1984 - 1986 (1/1,000 of starting value);

  • Bosnia-Herzegovina 1992 – 1993 (1/100,000th of starting value),

  • Brazil 1960 – 1994 (1 trillionth of starting value), Chile 1971 – 1973 (1/3rd of starting value),

  • China 1947 – 1955 (1/10,000th of starting value),

  • Greece 1943 – 1953 (1/50 trillionth of starting value),

  • Hungary 1945 – 1946 (100 quintillionth of the starting value),

  • Hungary 1922 – 1923 (1/4 of starting value),

  • Israel 1976 – 1986 (1/16th of starting value),

  • Japan 1934 – 1951 (1/362nd of starting value),

  • Poland 1990 – 94 (1/10,000th of starting value),

  • U.S.A. (Confederate States of America) 1861 – 1865 (1/90th of starting value, and then, by the end of the Civil War, the Confederate Dollar depreciated to zero).

  • It also happened in the ancient Roman Empire, when the silver and gold coinage of that day was progressively debased with base metals, in order to fund wars, giveaways to the Plebeians, and various other adventures. There are many additional examples that I have not bothered to cover here.
If the federal government and the Federal Reserve crash the currency, then you may need a wheelbarrow full of U.S. currency to merely buy a loaf of bread. There is a fairly strong possibility of this happening, because of a perfect storm of economic problems, and the motive to prevent defaulting on current debt by creating more money out of thin air (www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n3g5lUgkWk&feature=related).

Any way, pulling the party-lever is for blind, brainwashed, partisan loyalists who:

  • love THEIR party more than their country.

  • are too lazy to look at, or care about, the voting records of THEIR Congress persons.

  • are PARTISAN-CENTRIC instead of PRINCIPLE-CENTRIC.

  • are oblivious to the fact that 90% of elections are won by the candidate that spends the most money (usually the incumbent politicians).

  • are willing to ignore or rationalize how THEIR politicians despicably pit them and illegal aliens against each other for votes , profits , and severely misplaced or false compassion.

At any rate, the voters have the government that the voters elect, and re-elect, and re-elect, and re-elect , … , at least until that finally becomes too painful.

Posted by: d.a.n at November 1, 2008 11:45 AM
Comment #269072

Dawn -

What do you think about “Earned Income Credit”? By your definition, that’s strictly socialist. You can thank Reagan for that.

To summarize what David said above, if you really want unregulated capitalism, go to China. That’s how we wind up with leaded toys, melamine-laced milk products, and Wal-Marts filled with products of sweatshops.

HOW ABOUT BEING STRICTLY OBJECTIVE, Dawn? Look at all the countries that have a LOW standard of living, and the countries that have a HIGH standard of living? Now, which of those sets of countries are industrialized democracies with ‘highly socialized’ governments, and which of those sets are comprised of third-world and communist countries with unregulated economies.

I have a house and a business in a third-world country - if you want true unregulated capitalism, then go live in a third-world country. And maybe you’ll realize - as I did - that regulation is NOT a bad thing, but crucial to the development of a robust economy.

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at November 1, 2008 1:02 PM
Comment #269079

Dawn: Yes, it is a real national disgrace, poor people living the good life at taxpayer expence. But, you know the old saying, if you can’t beat them, join them.

You don’t have to go to the third world to see the results of unfettered capitalism. Unfettered capitalism has brought the thirld world here, 30 million of them.

I saw a funny thing on TV this morning. A reporter was lying on his side, holding a microphone under Obama’s bus. I wasn’t fully awake at the time and only heard bits and pieces but, the announcer said something about interviewing a woman named Zeituni Onyango. Apparently, Obama, some say in a fit of rage (unconfirmed), had thrown the woman under his bus. Something about a $250 donation to his campaign and haranging him about illegal immigration.

Posted by: jlw at November 1, 2008 1:42 PM
Comment #269089

This is hilarious:

http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3

Posted by: Oldguy at November 1, 2008 3:13 PM
Comment #269092

Wow.
That’s not funny.
It’s disturbing.
No wonder this country is in trouble.

Posted by: d.a.n at November 1, 2008 3:41 PM
Comment #269093

oldguy — are you saying the same kind of supporters can not be found on the right side of the isle? — and it does say a lot about you that you think its funny.
Savage

Posted by: A Savage at November 1, 2008 3:58 PM
Comment #269095

Savage, you’re so right. That was pathetic and despicable. Pathetic because making a mockery out of ignorance is absurd. Pick an area where poverty is rampant, education is a luxury, and support is nearly unknown, release some idiot to set up a few people to promote a sick agenda……then find fools on the receiving end to laugh at it. Wonderful.
Glad to see you so willing to promote that Christian attitude Old….but it’s really tough to see how you all can sleep at night.

Posted by: janedoe at November 1, 2008 4:22 PM
Comment #269103

“low information voter” is a ridiculous elitist terminology, since there are obviously “low information” types supporting all the candidates. They’re not just supporting the other guy.

Posted by: ohrealy at November 1, 2008 5:45 PM
Comment #269111

Savage:

Sadly to say, I think ignorance is rampant on both sides. I’ve seen Leno do some of this stuff on the street. People don’t have a clue.

Janedoe:

All I can say to you is “CHILL”:) It may be pathetic and dispicable, but it is funny. You know what, I bet all those poverty stricken people have cell phones, X-Boxes at home, and cars to drive. I challange you to find me a place in America where “education is a luxury”. All of these low-income, poverty-stricken, inner cities are run by democrats, you tell me why they don’t provide education.

And lastly, tell me why you attack my Christian beliefs, because I laugh at stupes for spouting BHO talking points. When BHO goes to these getto’s to help his aunt, who has been living in a slum, maybe he can these guys the difference between the veeps, or his platform and McCain’s.

Posted by: Oldguy at November 1, 2008 7:21 PM
Comment #269112

HA, HA, HA: I’m still laughing

Posted by: Oldguy at November 1, 2008 7:23 PM
Comment #269116

I’m not attacking your Christian beliefs, I’m attacking all your hate-filled comments and posts on here, made in the name of Christianity.
It gets really old reading the hate filled snipes made by people standing behind a bible.

Posted by: janedoe at November 1, 2008 8:12 PM
Comment #269117

well old guy I hope this tickles you also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU7Mo8UJm-Y&eurl=http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/
With the bonus of a transcript
SP Assist: This is Betsy.
MA: Hello, Betsy. This is Frank l’ouvrier (Frank the worker], I’m with President Sarkozy, on the line for Governor Palin.

SP Assist: One second please, can you hold on one second please?
MA: No problem.

SP Assist: Hi, I’m going to hand the phone over to her.
MA: Okay thank you very much I’m going to put the president on the line.
SP Assist: Ok he’s coming to the line.

SP: This is Sarah.
MA: Okay, Governor Palin?

SP: Hellloooo…(long drawn out, like Well, hellooooo)
MA: Just hold on for President Sarkozy, one moment.
SP [To someone in the room]: Oh, it’s not him yet, I always do that. I’ll just have people hand it to me right when it’s them.

FNS: Yes, hello, Governor Palin? Yes, hello, Mrs. Governor?
SP: Hello this is Sarah., how are you?

FNS: Fine, and you, this is Nicolas Sarkozy speaking, how are you?
SP: Oh…so good, it’s so good to hear you. Thank you for calling us.

FNS: Oh, it’s a pleasure.
SP: Thank you sir, we have such great respect for you, John McCain and I, we love you and thank you for spending a few minutes to talk to me.

FNS: I follow your campaigns closely with my special American Advisor Johnny Hallyday (the most famous French singer, looks like and sings like Elvis), you know?
SP: Yes! Good!

FNS: Excellent! Are you confident?
SP: Very confident and we’re thankful that the polls are showing that the race is tightening and—

FNS: Well I know very well that the campaign can be exhausting. How do you feel right now my dear?
SP: Ah, I feel so good. I feel like we’re in a marathon and at the very end of the marathon, you get your second wind and you plow to the finish—

FNS: You see, I got elected in France because I’m real and you seem to be someone who’s real as well.
SP: Yes, yeah, Nicolas, we so appreciate this opportunity.

FNS: You know, I see you as a president, one day, you too.
SP: [Muahaaa…weird laugh], maybe in 8 years. Haha

FNS: Well, ah, I hope for you. You know we have a lot in common because personally one of my favorite activities is to hunt too.
SP: [Giggle]o h very good, we should go hunting together.

FNS: Exactly! We could go try hunting by helicopter, like you did, I never did that.
SP: [Giggle]

FNS: Like we say in France, “on pourrait tuer des bébés phoques aussi” [Translation: We could also kill some baby seals.]
SP: [Giggle] Well I think we could have a lot of fun together as we’re getting work done, we can kill two birds with one stone that way.

FNS: I just love killing those animals. Mm, mm. Take away a life, that is so fun!
SP: [Hahahaha]

FNS: I’d really love to go as long as we don’t bring your Vice president Cheney, hahaha.
SP: No, I’ll be a careful shot, yes.

FNS: You know we have a lot in common also except that from my ass I can see Belgium. That’s kind of less interesting than you.
SP: Well, see, we’re right next door to other countries that we all need to be working with, yes.

FNS: Some people said in the last days, and I thought that was mean, that you weren’t experienced enough in foreign relations, and you know, that’s completely false, that’s the thing I said to my great friend, the Prime Minister of Canada, Stef Carse [Stephen Harper is the PM and Stef Carse is a Quebecois country singer who covered Billy Ray Cyrus’ Achy Breaky Heart in French in the 90s].
SP: Well, he’s doing fine, too, and yeah when you come into a position underestimated, it gives you the opportunity to prove the pundits and the critics wrong. You work that much harder-

FNS: I, I was wondering because you are also next to him, one of my good friends, also, the prime minister of Quebec, Mr. Richard Z. Sirois [a famous Quebec radio host], have you met him recently? Did he come to one of your rallies?
SP: Uh, haven’t seen him at one of the rallies, but it’s been great working with the Canadian officials in my role as governor; we have a great cooperative effort there as we work on all of our resource development projects. You know I look forward to working with you and getting to meet you personally and your beautiful wife, oh my goodness, you’ve added a lot of energy to your country, even, with that beautiful family of yours.

FNS: Thank you very much. You know my wife, Carla, would love to meet you. You know even though she was a bit jealous that I was supposed to speak to you today. [Hahahaha]
SP: [Hahahha] Well give her a big hug from me.

FNS: You know my wife is a popular singer and a former top model and she’s so hot in bed. She even wrote a song for you.
SP: Oh my goodness! I didn’t know that.

FNS: Yes, in French, it’s called “Du rouge à lèvres sur une cochonne” [Translate: Lipstick for a sow literally (but not properly) but it actually means an uninhibited girl] or if you prefer in English Joe the Plumber, [sings] It’s his life, Joe the Plumber…”
SP: Maybe she understands some of the unfair criticism but I bet you she is such a hard worker, too, and she realizes you just plow through that criticism like

FNS: I just want to be sure, I don’t’ quite understand the phenomenon “Joe the Plumber,” that’s not your husband, right?
SP: Mmhmm, that’s into my husband but he’s a normal American who just works hard and doesn’t want government to take his money.

FNS: Yes, yes, I understand, we have the equivalent of Joe the Plumber in France, it’s called, “Marcel, the guy with bread under his armpit, oui.”
SP: Right. That’s what it’s all about, is the middle class, and government needing to work for them. You’re a very good example for us here.

FNS: I seen a bit about NBC even Fox News wasn’t an ally, an ally, sorry, about as much as usual.
SP: Yeah that’s what we’re up against.

FNS: I must say, Governor Palin, I love the documentary they made on your life, you know, Hustler’s “Nailin Palin.”
SP: Oh, good, thank you. Yes.

FNS: That was really edgy.
SP: [Laughs] Well good.

FNS: I really love you. And I must say something, so, Governor, you’ve been pranked.
By the Master Avengers. We’re two comedians from Montreal
SP: Oohhh have we been pranked? And what radio station is this? [tries to force herself to sound nice but you can tell she’s pissed]

FNS: This is for CKOI in Montreal.
SP: In Montreal? Tell me the radio station call letters
[SP leaves phone, continuous griping in background, sounds like, “For chrissakes…that was ??? Just a radio station prank…chrissakes…”]

MA: Hello? If one voice can change the world for Obama, one Viagra can change the world for McCain.
[Man’s voice in background: hang up, hang up.]
SP Assist: Hi, I’m sorry, I have to let you go. Um, thank you.
And your voting for her.

—Savage

Posted by: A Savage at November 1, 2008 8:17 PM
Comment #269118

Good job Savage and they are playing it right now on MSNBC!!!

Posted by: janedoe at November 1, 2008 8:32 PM
Comment #269120

That is why China will surpass the U.S. as the single largest and most robust economy in the 21st century.

Well, until the Mongols and Tibetans revolt anyway.

Posted by: googlumpugus at November 1, 2008 9:09 PM
Comment #269123

goo, yes, China has many of the same problems facing its future that we are now facing, including the trials and weaknesses of the combination of greater liberty and greater ignorance. Just because they are Communist does not exempt them from the consequences of an ignorant population working for greater freedoms within which to exercise their ignorance, in an ever more demanding and complex society and future.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 1, 2008 10:19 PM
Comment #269125

Dawn said:

`What do poor people spend that money on? TV’s? Computers? Eating out? Everything they could not buy previously at Wal-Mart?

How many of them actually use that money to better their situation?”

That’s awfully presumptuous of you. And highly insulting. A certain group of people who spend money in the manner you speak of should not be the basis for a stereotype that allows more families to continue suffering the way that they are. I know plenty of people who would use that $2000 you speak of to put towards paying off medical bills or college loans. The people receiving tax breaks under Obama’s plan are not just deadbeats trying to mooch off the governent, its HARDWORKING AMERICANS like you and I that need all the help they can get. It’s not their fault that the economy blows. I’m glad that you and your husband give to charity, that’s very honorable. But what about the families who have no one else to reach out to? Oh, slap their hands for reaching for just another “government handout”. What wretched pigs they are.

Posted by: Cara at November 1, 2008 10:55 PM
Comment #269126

Dawn,
you’re missing a big part of this story. There’s a rapidly growing number of people in poverty that work full time. It’s not really full time. In the service industry you can only work part time. You can work 39 hours a week but no more. So, you get two jobs. Now you’re working 78 hours a week. At $7.00 an hour that’s $546.00 a week. Working 52 weeks (Part time people don’t get vacations.) that’s $28,392.00. According to the Health and Services
Poverty Guidelines if you have 6 people or more in your household you are living in poverty. That’s working two jobs, if you can find them and have the ability to work them.

Posted by: Mike the Cynic at November 1, 2008 11:47 PM
Comment #269128

I’m sorry that should be Health and Human
Services

Posted by: Mike the Cynic at November 1, 2008 11:57 PM
Comment #269129

Janedoe:

“I’m attacking all your hate-filled comments and posts on here, made in the name of Christianity.”

“Critique the Message, Not the Messenger. This means you may critique any points made in another person’s writing or comments. But, you may not criticize the person themself, nor their right to comment at WatchBlog. This also means you may not criticize categories of people who visit and participate at WatchBlog (e.g. All Democrats are commies or, All Republicans are idiots).”

And I might add, all Christians. Janedoe, I think you may have violated a couple of these rules. Tell me jane, have you had bad experiences with Christians in the past? Sometimes, people feel this way because their parents made them go to church.

Savage:

I didn’t watch the video; I’m too hyper to set through such a long skit. But I appreciate the thought.

Mike:

If all six people got two jobs that would be $170,352.00 and would be considered rich by BHO, and would qualify for higher taxes under his give-away plan. Go figure.

Posted by: Oldguy at November 2, 2008 12:04 AM
Comment #269130

I don’t believe in child labor, but I got to admit that was good.

Posted by: Mike the Cynic at November 2, 2008 12:07 AM
Comment #269131

Except Barack cut off his tax incress at $250 thousand.

Posted by: Mike the Cynic at November 2, 2008 12:08 AM
Comment #269133


Mike

Actually, it was $250k, then it was $200k, then it was $150k, and yesterday Gov. Bill Richardson dropped it to $120k. So I’m not really sure; two of them qualify for a tax increase.

Posted by: Oldguy at November 2, 2008 12:18 AM
Comment #269134

Mike the Cynic
The other common move is to make full time employees into part time employees. Doing so means the company no longer has to pay benefits.

It’s all part of a long trend. It would be hard for a lot of people today to believe this, but once upon a time, employees were loyal to their companies, and vice versa. Employees worked their entire lives for the same company, and retired with full benefits.

Without the protection of unions, the situation for American workers keeps deteriorating.

It’s time for a change.

Posted by: phx8 at November 2, 2008 12:33 AM
Comment #269135

I’ve had around 50 jobs in my life. From age 15 to around around 24 were the majority of them. I’d quit jobs out of boredom and get a differnent job when I started to get low on cash. The good thing about the low pay jobs is the little responsibility and that you can call in sick when you wanted to, what are they going to do, fire you…lol.

If you want to increase the challenges and pay in your job you should probably find a different line of work. Unless Obama will mandate all Taco Bell employees make $50,000, I can actually see that from him. Here’s your $45 burrito supreme sir.

Posted by: andy at November 2, 2008 12:45 AM
Comment #269139

Dawn -

Did you do any comparison yet on the standard of living in industrialized (socialist) democracies with high taxes as compared to any ten countries you care to name that has unregulated capitalism?

Remember - it’s the standard of living that you’re to compare.

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at November 2, 2008 2:07 AM
Comment #269143

> I’m glad that you and your husband give to charity, that’s very honorable. But what about the families who have no one else to reach out to? Oh, slap their hands for reaching for just another “government handout”. What wretched pigs they are.
Posted by: Cara at November 1, 2008 10:55 PM

Cara,

“They are crying for bread? They want bread? Let them eat cake!”

Seems like we’ve heard this all before…if you don’t like it that therer are poor people, give to a charity…Dawn does not realize that every social program we have today stems from a need that came about because people were either starving to death, being injured/killed/disabled on the job, and had no recourse, died in utter bondage in a sweat shop, became crippled because they started to work 14 hour days because there were no child labor laws, etc. Dawn sees the so-called ‘free market’ as the do-all, end-all in life. She wears rose colored glasses. Many of those whom we call ‘profit seekers’ are unconscionable villains. America, because of Cheney/Bush may very well return to those halcyon days Dawn seeks…when families took care of their own (but they could not), where churches took care of their flocks (but they did not), where individuals showed the spunk necessary to pick themselves up by their bootstraps (although many could not), etc. It’s a fairy tail world, full of the heroes from Horatio Alger’s dime novels.

Posted by: Marysdude at November 2, 2008 3:28 AM
Comment #269145

andy,
What Obama needs to do is to outlaw every job in America that pays less $50,000/yr. Than Americans would not have to worry about the Poor in their new society.

For who needs Police, Fire, Medical, Garbage Collectors, Teachers, Water and Sewer, and all the other jobs that cater to the Rich? In fact, since the Republicans believe in self-sufficent maybe we should require the CEO making a million dollars a month to clean his own fish, shot his own moose, and grow all the veges needed by his family.

Yes, eliminating the jobs of the bottom 40% would place undo burden on the top 2% of the population lifestyle; however, seeing that the next 40% could easily replace those workers and keep up with their present duties along with the help of the next 15% picking up the slack. I am sure that the Democratic and Republican Elite would do just fine. So why I can see and understand your point of view of a $45 burrito supreme due to Labor and Management Costs. Let me ask you how would you go about increasing the American Consumer Income and still keep America competive in the Global Market.

For as an American Layman Citizen I am tried of losing money due to the Pure Ignorance of Man to learn that the World cannot afford to win the Race to the Bottom. Because if you are serious about having the Wealth, look at the numbers when the Poorest Consumer in America can afford to buy a million dollar home and boat every year.

Posted by: Henry Schlatman at November 2, 2008 4:50 AM
Comment #269146

Oldguy said
“Savage:

I didn’t watch the video; I’m too hyper to set through such a long skit. But I appreciate the thought.”
So I guess you read the Transcript?
Or did you stick you head in the sand, Plug your ears and hope it would going away?
Remember this woman is the reason you said you voting for McCain.
You willing to criticize laugh at and make fun of low information voters but have nothing to say about a low information nominee?
This Is why a lot of people are as scared of the deeply religious christian as they are of terrorist.
they can do more harm to or country than the terrorist can with voting out of ignorance for any joke of a nominee that says I am anti choice/gays.[I just have to look at the past 8 years for proof of that]
— Savage

Posted by: A Savage at November 2, 2008 6:56 AM
Comment #269149

Amazing … Even after the imposter started signing, Palin couldn’t tell it was a prank? But the bit about hunting from a helicopter should have been a give-away. Especially the part about not bringing Buckshot Cheney along. But why not? It has now been 993 days without an Executive hunting accident, so what is he worried about?

Poor Sarah. The world appears determined to make her look silly.

Posted by: d.a.n at November 2, 2008 8:59 AM
Comment #269150

CORRECTION: signing singing

Posted by: d.a.n at November 2, 2008 9:08 AM
Comment #269154

Henry Said, “andy,
What Obama needs to do is to outlaw every job in America that pays less $50,000/yr. Than Americans would not have to worry about the Poor in their new society.” That’s absurd And I’ll be the first to admit wages are low and the scales are shifted towards huge Business it won’t work first off Do you expect the Armed forces to start off with a pay grade of $50,000 A year with free room and board and food and health care and a pension plan or the small business man or woman , Wow what a good reason to quit high school or even community college or anything that self sacrifice achieves Even the union i started had a Four year apprenticeship program Today i believe it’s Five I started at 50% less pay as a Journeyman A step program in the late1970s when interest rates were over 20% and Inflation was about as bad as today , That Plan would stifle the individual and create more Malaise And if that’s his plan I will not vote for him and I’m not thinking of just Myself I’m thinking of the whole What was wrong With JFK?

Posted by: Rodney Brown at November 2, 2008 10:07 AM
Comment #269157

oldguy

“This is hilarious:”

yes it is, but it’s also pretty scary that people that are that uninformed get to vote and help decide the direction of the country. BTW, how dare you point out the rules of participation. LOL!!!!!! funny link BTW.

Posted by: dbs at November 2, 2008 10:32 AM
Comment #269158

janedoe

“It gets really old reading the hate filled snipes made by people standing behind a bible.”

it gets old reading the hate filled snipes made by anyone. some here on the left seem to be pretty good at it too.

Posted by: dbs at November 2, 2008 10:36 AM
Comment #269160

dbs
I notice you do not address the uninformed remarks made by your vp nominee either, and she is the person YOU are supporting to be vp of this nation. How strange your world view seems to any thinking person.
—Savage

Posted by: A Savage at November 2, 2008 10:42 AM
Comment #269162

A Savage

gotcha, my world view is not in line with yours, and anyone who doesn’t hold your world view is obviously not a thinking person. is that it in a nutshell ? hey, at least i know who my candidates vp actually is. if i didn’t know better sav i’de think that was a personal attack, hmmmm ?

Posted by: dbs at November 2, 2008 10:51 AM
Comment #269166

sav

ya know i like the one by biden. ya know how fdr got on the tv to talk to the counrtry during the great depression ? people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. nuff said.

Posted by: dbs at November 2, 2008 11:11 AM
Comment #269169

wait here’s one more. this is too much fun !

http://tubevube.com/u/u/lindaclements/pulxb3_W3U8/joe-biden-gaff-a-thon.html

Posted by: dbs at November 2, 2008 11:31 AM
Comment #269171

I’ve heard this a couple of times…

China is the bastion of ‘unregulated capitalism’?

Really?

Cause, last time I checked, that was not the case. Was there a coup that I missed on the news?

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 2, 2008 11:44 AM
Comment #269174

Rhinehold -

I’m the guy who’s going around saying that China’s economy is sigificantly less regulated than our own…and I don’t think you’ll prove otherwise.

They may have laws on the books, but if they do, those laws are NOT enforced. Their manufacturing and products have little oversight - which is how we get lead-laced toys, melamine-laced milk products, et cetera. Minimum wage? HA! Ever hear of sweatshops?

Rhinehold, if you want deregulated capitalism, go to China and southeast Asia.

And I’ll pose the same challenge to you that Dawn has YET to address: list the countries which have the highest standard of living, and which countries have the lowest. Then check and see which of those countries are industrialized democracies with regulated economies…and which have little or no regulation of their economies.

I’ll give you North Korea…but I say they’re the exception to the rule. Let us know what you find, okay?

Posted by: Glenn Contrarian at November 2, 2008 12:14 PM
Comment #269176

glenn

“Then check and see which of those countries are industrialized democracies with regulated economies…and which have little or no regulation of their economies.”

“I’ll give you North Korea…but I say they’re the exception to the rule. Let us know what you find, okay?”

did you mean south korea glenn ?

Posted by: dbs at November 2, 2008 12:29 PM
Comment #269183

Poor Sarah is an undereducated person thrust by her own and McCain’s decisions, into the national public spotlight.

Her comments about fruit flies, was pregnant ignorance in its rawest form. Fruit fly research is how we study genetics, and genetics is a big part of the study of Down’s Syndrome which she says she will advocate for, at the same time she says she will kill funding for fruit fly research. It just doesn’t get anymore ignorant and uneducated than this.

Poor Sarah doesn’t know what she doesn’t know, and the same is true of John McCain. And that is the chasmic difference between Obama and them. He does know, and acknowledge, what he doesn’t know, and consults for information rather than extolling ignorance as policy, or leaves topics he doesn’t know about alone.

It’s a Jeckyll and Hyde difference should they obtain the power of the presidency. Obama will research before deciding and he knows what areas of research to consult. McCain and Palin can’t even guess at what areas of science they should consult before making campaign policy on fruit fly research.

Bear DNA research is vital to dealing with the potential for bear extinction. Bear hair genetics tells field bear counters whether they are watching the same bear visit two areas or two different bears visiting those areas.

One can argue whether or not the government should be addressing the extinction of bear populations, but, if saving bear populations is important which Palin says it is, then bear DNA research is vital to the simple task of assessing how many bears are out there, and how their numbers are changing over time. Her lack of education, and her lack of knowledge about the fields of education, is dangerous baggage to haul into the White House.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 2, 2008 1:42 PM
Comment #269191

DRR:

“Poor Sarah is an undereducated person thrust by her own and McCain’s decisions, into the national public spotlight…Her lack of education, and her lack of knowledge about the fields of education, is dangerous baggage to haul into the White House.”

There has never been a tax that a democrat didn’t like and there has never been a person, of opposite political beliefs, that a liberal hasn’t tried to make look stupid.

Do you know how silly it sounds when the left talks about how educated they are and how uneducated everyone else is?

The only thing remembered in this post is the first and last sentence, everything in between is is moot.

Isn’t China a communist nation? Most of their factories are manned by political prisoners and I would assume the factories are regulated by the party.

Posted by: Oldguy at November 2, 2008 2:46 PM
Comment #269194

Og, you’ve just verified your own last post.

Posted by: janedoe at November 2, 2008 2:57 PM
Comment #269195

ahh oldguy — where to start

“There has never been a tax that a democrat didn’t like and there has never been a person, of opposite political beliefs, that a liberal hasn’t tried to make look stupid.”
Part1
has there ever been a bill that the right was willing to pay or should this nations whole budget be paid with a credit card?
Part2
we have not tried to make palin look stupid — she has done that job for us

“Do you know how silly it sounds when the left talks about how educated they are and how uneducated everyone else is?”
I have not seen where anyone has said your uneducated yet — some may think people are silly if they think palin is smart — but that’s not our problem — that’s yours

“The only thing remembered in this post is the first and last sentence, everything in between is is moot.”
Lack of comprehension is not our problem, though I guess we could limit our posts to 2 sentences for you.

“Isn’t China a communist nation? Most of their factories are manned by political prisoners and I would assume the factories are regulated by the party.”

this you will have to educate yourself on since I have neither the time or the inclination to do it for you”

Posted by: A Savage at November 2, 2008 3:18 PM
Comment #269198

The generated international crisis: An open letter to undecideds

Come on independents, do your nation a favor and vote for McCain. Undecideds, let’s vote for a stable America. In an unstable time we need someone tested running our domestic and foreign affairs. He’s not perfect by anyone’s standards but he is fairly honest and experienced. You are all known for your level heads, please make a rational decision when you go into the voting booth. Your nation is calling…calling for your common sense and measured reason. When you think “choice ” think “safe”. Let’s avoid an unnecessary generated crisis, you may be saving American lives. Thanks, Redmeat& cigarettes from townhall.com

Posted by: Redmeat 7 cigarettes at November 2, 2008 3:26 PM
Comment #269207

OldGuy said in reply to my previous comment:

“Do you know how silly it sounds when the left talks about how educated they are and how uneducated everyone else is?”

Do you understand how uneducated your comment sounds? First, My comment never made the claim that the left was more educated. Your words, not mine. My comment NEVER claimed everyone else was uneducated, ONLY that Sarah Palin continues to demonstrate HER lack of education.

A certain amount of education is required to understand the written word and respond to it, as opposed to what you have done, which is to project meaning into others words that isn’t there, and then respond to your own words, as if they belonged to another. Whether you lack education or just choose not to employ it, I cannot tell.

The uneducated misunderstand a great deal and often, which is precisely what Sarah Palin has demonstrated. It is one of those tell-tale differences between the educated and uneducated.

To be for Down’s Syndrome research and against fruit fly genetics research is a contradiction in objectives by an uneducated Sarah Palin in this topic. Her words are on record. And the use of fruit fly genetics research in the study of Down’s Syndrome is also on record and verifiable.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 2, 2008 4:21 PM
Comment #269208

Redmeat, you know what most undecideds do on election day? They stay home trying to decide whether leaving the house to vote is worth the effort or not. :-)

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 2, 2008 4:23 PM
Comment #269220

david

“The uneducated misunderstand a great deal and often, which is precisely what Sarah Palin has demonstrated.”

ok david she didn’t realize fruit fly research was a key component of the study of downs syndrome. does that make her point that pork barrel spending needs to be curtailed any less true ? my guess is most people, even those that are well educated don’t know that.

now compare that to joe biden stating that fdr went on tv, and adressed the nation after the stock market crash in 1929. which statement is truely more ignorant ? which is more likely to be common knowlege ? hell david i don’t have a phd, and i knew that, but i couldn’t have told why the study of fruit flies was important. does that mean i’m ignorant ?

Posted by: dbs at November 2, 2008 5:27 PM
Comment #269221

david

BTW, lets hope those obama supporters that don’t realize sara palin isn’t his running mate stay home too.

Posted by: dbs at November 2, 2008 5:31 PM
Comment #269222

Rodney Brown,
Realize that Obame cannot make such a move; however, seeing that McCain wants to pay off the National Debt in the next 4 years. He can cut the necessary $2.5 Trillion per year out of the Federal Budget. So why that would prolong the economic meltdown in America, I wonder how both candidates plan to deal with the fact that the American Consumer needs more income without upsetting the Cost of Labor and Management.

Nevertheless, the option of eliminating the jobs that pay less than $50,000/yr still remains an option to “We the People.”

Posted by: Henry Schlatman at November 2, 2008 5:35 PM
Comment #269225

Folks, the bottom line is that the majority of use are crappin’ in our own nest, and some of use are gettin’ crapped on more than others, and it is not a matter of IF , but only a matter of WHEN the branch is all rests upon finally snaps.

At any rate, the voters have the government that the voters elect (and re-elect, and re-elect, and re-elect , … , at least until that finally becomes too painful).

Posted by: d.a.n at November 2, 2008 6:15 PM
Comment #269226

I believe senator schumer said almost six weeks ago McCain was making a hail Mary pass with palin which was true as McCain had one hell of a uphill battle to fight and it did not reflect on palin, then a few days later on a Sunday talk show he said not to rush right out and judge or criticize her, I respected that advice and I made my decision after the debates and watching her closely over the last five weeks and she is not Presidential Caliber McCain made a error in judgement ,My Opinion for whats it’s worth he should have picked a person who has a gone on record to criticize bush/Cheney And that could have been Christine Todd Whitman or Senator Snowe or Senator Collins, These ladies are very Intelligent and moderate and could have passed the test easily and would have appealed to a much bigger piece of the Woman’s vote and that’s where and why he will lose.

Posted by: Rodney Brown at November 2, 2008 6:48 PM
Comment #269227

I Like that outhouse d.a.n. :)

Posted by: Rodney Brown at November 2, 2008 6:53 PM
Comment #269230

DBs — tell me who said when Clinton tried to get bin laden this
“Look, is this guy, Bin Laden, really the bad guy that’s depicted? one hint — it was not Biden
and this
“Well, it’s common knowledge and has been reported in the media that Al Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran. That’s well known. And it’s unfortunate.”
Please note these are about current affairs —not things that happened before the person making the statement where born

If you really want to get into a flame war of gaffes — you better come armed.

Posted by: A Savage at November 2, 2008 7:05 PM
Comment #269237

dbs, you miss the point. Palin wants to be the champion of special needs children but, won’t even take the time to learn what involves.

Biden’s causes don’t rest on what FDR did or didn’t do. Obama will fight pork barrel spending, even against his own party.

If one is going to put themself forth as a champion of a cause and ask for votes based on that, they should have some knowledge of the cause they intend to champion as well as what will advance that cause. Sarah Palin CLEARLY DOESN’T HAVE A CLUE!

She doesn’t understand the 1st Amendment claiming politicians should be protected from the media if it is to work. Dunce statement.

Living 90 miles from Russia is the basis for having foreign diplomatic and foreign policy skills? Not even remotely. Ask any Inuit of the old traditions.

She seeks a united majority of votes to elect her while claiming only the sparse populations of the rural areas and small towns are ‘real Americans’ with ‘real patriotism’. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot. Made Obama’s dunce moment about guns and religion brilliant by comparison.

A couple days ago at one of her rallies, the folks in the background had ticket signs with only ONE name on them, Palin. Nowhere was McCain to be found on their posters. Probably NOT a Palin decision, but, speaks to the supporters who had them made up.

And the really ironic thing is, the bulk of the McCain/Palin ticket supporters will voter for her, not McCain except by default. I believe the majority of Americans are better educated and more intelligent than Palin supporters, and that is why Obama will get the majority of votes next Tuesday. The numbers will speak for themselves.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 2, 2008 7:56 PM
Comment #269241

sav

i don’t care when the gaffs were made you have painted palin in the light you’ve chosen to suit your agenda. you fired the first shot i didn’t. as far as comming unarmed, like i said, people that live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, and you threw the first stone. biden’s an idiot, and anyone with even a small amount of intellegence can see that, all you need do is open your eyes.

Posted by: dbs at November 2, 2008 8:16 PM
Comment #269243

No — after oldguy posted about low info voters — I countered with a low info nominee and ask if that was as funny to him.
The only agenda I have is to get the best person for the job into the whitehouse and with the pick of her — mccain proved to me and much of the nation that it was not him.
Now if Biden’s an idiot,kindly tell me why he is one of the most respected senators in the senate?
why is he respected enough to head the Senate Foreign Relations Committee ?
— Savage

Posted by: A Savage at November 2, 2008 8:32 PM
Comment #269281

nope wrong again, re read quote #269160. i adressed oldguy, and you asked me about palin. i then posted the biden gaffs to counter yours. you adressed me first, therefore it was you who fired the first shot. nice try though.

Posted by: dbs at November 3, 2008 10:45 AM
Comment #269286

you said”oldguy

“This is hilarious:”

yes it is, but it’s also pretty scary that people that are that uninformed get to vote and help decide the direction of the country. BTW, how dare you point out the rules of participation. LOL!!!!!! funny link BTW.”
I replied “dbs
I notice you do not address the uninformed remarks made by your vp nominee either, and she is the person YOU are supporting to be vp of this nation. How strange your world view seems to any thinking person.”
then you responded with a Biden gaffe — but never did address the uninformed remarks by palin did you?
so if the uninformed remarks of the voters is scary — why are the ones of the vp nominee not?
— Savage

Posted by: A Savage at November 3, 2008 11:41 AM
Comment #269287

Oldguy’s link shows there are many new voters who have only heard they may be getting a raise in their handouts. That they are taking the rest of the country with them is what’s funny I guess, although it seems sad to me.

I could barely understand the radio guys. Palin thought she was on the phone with a president, you probably don’t want to assume too quickly in case your assumption is wrong. She was probably thinking this guy is a fool, but her response’s were still on message. After taking a look at the hacks who made the call I can only assume they mainly have a problem with Palin’s views on same sex marriage.

Posted by: Mike at November 3, 2008 12:14 PM
Comment #269290

Way to spin Mike…and even with a new twist. A sick twist, but not surprising considering that you guys have thrown out just about every other , demented, hateful and ignorant rants that you can dig up.
The woman is too thick for it to have occured to her that her ignorance was being played to the max. Do you REALLY think that a head of State would be so stupid as to raise such an unpopular (and callous) act as killing baby seals ? Do you REALLY think that a head of State would discuss the intimate impression he has of his wife? And the goofy accent…?
They played her…and obviously they had done their homework in knowing just the level of intelligence they would be facing.
And by the way, the gay insinuation just confirms that the radical right can find nothing new or intelligent to add to their list of bile.

Posted by: janedoe at November 3, 2008 12:36 PM
Comment #269304
Rodney wrote: I Like that outhouse d.a.n. :)
Yeah … me too. I forget where I found it.

If we go by 9%-to-18% approval ratings for Congress, it appears the majority of voters feel like they are gettin’ crapped on.

You know the old sayin’ “judging people by their actions is more accurate than judging them by what they say”.

Therefore, if we go by 85%-to-90% re-election rates for Congress, it appears that the majority of voters must like gettin’ crapped on, despite the dismal 9%-to-18% approval ratings that the voters give Congress? ! ?

janedoe wrote: The woman is too thick for it to have occured to her that her ignorance was being played to the max.
No kiddin’ !

Aside from not knowing who the Prime Misister of Quebec is …

Fake Nicolas Sarkozy: I just love killing those animals. Mm, mm. Take away a life, that is so fun!
Sarah Palin: [Hahahaha]

Fake Nicolas Sarkozy: You know we have a lot in common also except that from my ass I can see Belgium. That’s kind of less interesting than you.
Sarah Palin: Well, see, we’re right next door to other countries that we all need to be working with, yes.

Fake Nicolas Sarkozy: You know my wife is a popular singer and a former top model and she’s so hot in bed. She even wrote a song for you.
Sarah Palin: Oh my goodness! I didn’t know that.

Fake Nicolas Sarkozy: Yes, in French, it’s called “Du rouge à lèvres sur une cochonne” [Translated: Lipstick for a sow literally (but not properly) but it actually means an uninhibited girl] or if you prefer in English Joe the Plumber, [singing] It’s his life, Joe the Plumber … ”
Sarah Palin: Maybe she understands some of the unfair criticism but I bet you she is such a hard worker, too, and she realizes you just plow through that criticism like …

Fake Nicolas Sarkozy: Yes, yes, I understand, we have the equivalent of Joe the Plumber in France, it’s called, “Marcel, the guy with bread under his armpit, oui.”
Sarah Palin: Right. That’s what it’s all about, is the middle class, and government needing to work for them. You’re a very good example for us here.

Fake Nicolas Sarkozy: I must say, Governor Palin, I love the documentary they made on your life, you know, Hustler’s “Nailin Palin.” [A porn movie spoof by Hustler magazine].
Sarah Palin: Oh, good, thank you. Yes.

Fake Nicolas Sarkozy: That was really edgy.
Sarah Palin: [Laughs] Well good.

HMMMMmmmmmmmm … the Katie Couric interview of Sarah Palin was enlightening (where Sarah Palin claims her proximity to Russia is foreign policy experience), but the transcript above is even more enlightening.

Posted by: d.a.n at November 3, 2008 3:17 PM
Comment #269306

its really sad Dan that the same folks above that laughed at uninformed voters will not say a word about a uninformed nominee. But that tells me a lot about them.
— Savage

Posted by: A Savage at November 3, 2008 3:36 PM
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