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The Evolution of Evil

Perhaps a global political apocalypse has already arrived.

Activists and dissidents should understand that evil forces and tyrannical governments have evolved. Just as human knowledge and science expand, so do the strategies and instruments used by rulers, elites and plutocrats. By learning from history and using new technology they have smarter tools of tyranny. The best ones prevent uprisings, revolutions and political reforms. Rather than violently destroy rebellious movements, they let them survive as marginalized and ineffective efforts that divert and sap the energy of nonconformist and rebellious thinkers. Real revolution remains an energy-draining dream, as evil forces thrive.

Most corrupt and legally sanctioned forms of tyranny hide in plain sight as democracies with free elections. The toughest lesson is that ALL elections are distractions. Nothing conceals tyranny better than elections. Few Americans accept that their government has become a two-party plutocracy run by a rich and powerful ruling class. The steady erosion of the rule of law is masked by everyday consumer freedoms. Because people want to be happy and hopeful, we have an epidemic of denial, especially in the present presidential campaign. But to believe that any change-selling politician or shift in party control will overturn the ruling class is the epitome of self-delusion and false hope. In the end, such wishful thinking perpetuates plutocracy. Proof is that plutocracy has flourished despite repeated change agents, promises of reform and partisan shifts.

The tools of real rebellion are weak. Activists and dissidents look back and see successful rebellions and revolutions and think that when today’s victims of tyranny experience enough pain and see enough political stink they too will revolt. This is wrong. They think that the Internet spreads information and inspiration to the masses, motivating them to revolt. This is wrong. They await catastrophic economic or environmental collapse to spur rebellion. This too is wrong.

Why are these beliefs wrong? Power elites have an arsenal of weapons to control and manipulate social, political and economic systems globally: corruption of public officials that make elections a sham; corporate mainstream media that turn news into propaganda; manipulation of financial markets that create fear for the public and profits for the privileged; false free trade globalization that destroys the middle class; rising economic inequality that keep the masses time-poor and financially insecure; intense marketing of pharmaceuticals that keep people passive; and addictive consumerism, entertainment and gambling that keep people distracted and pacified.

The biggest challenge for dissidents and rebels is to avoid feel-good therapeutic activism having virtually no chance of removing evil and tyranny. Idealism without practicality tactics without lofty goals, and symbolic protests pose no threat to power elites. Anger and outrage require great strategic thinking from leaders seeking revolution, not mere change. And social entrepreneurs that use business and management skills to tackle genuine social problems do nothing to achieve political reforms. To the extent they achieve results they end up removing interest in overthrowing political establishments that have allowed the problems to fester.

What is the new tool of tyranny? Technological connectivity achieved through advanced communications and computer systems, especially the rise of wireless connectivity. The global message to the masses is simple: Buy electronic products to stay plugged in. Connectivity may give pleasure, but it gives even more power to elites, rulers and plutocrats. It allows them to coordinate their efforts through invisible cabals, to closely monitor everything that ordinary people and dissidents do, and to cooperatively and clandestinely adjust social, financial and political systems to maintain stability and dominance.

In this dystopian world all systems are integrated to serve upper class elites and the corporate state, not ordinary people. When ordinary people spend their money to be more shackled to connectivity products, they become unwitting victims of largely invisible governmental and corporate oppressive forces. They are oblivious that their technological seduction exacerbates their political and economic exploitation. Though some 70 percent believe the country is on the wrong track, they fail to see the deeper causes of the trend. And if Americans were really happy and content with their consumer culture, then why are they stuffing themselves with so many antidepressants, sleeping pills and totally unhealthy foods? In truth, the vast majority of people are in denial about the rotten system they are trapped in (aka The Matrix). They are manipulated to keep hope alive through voting, despite the inability of past elections to stop the slide into economic serfdom.

Increasingly, the little-discussed phenomenon of economic apartheid ensures that elites live their lavish lives safely in physically separated ways. Concurrently, economic inequality rises, as the rich extract unusually high fractions of global wealth. When the rich get richer, the powerful get stronger. Does some economic prosperity trickles down to the poorest people? Perversely, the middle class is moved into the lower class. In this new physics of evil, wealth transfer is not from the rich to the poor, but from the middle class in wealthier countries to the poor in developing nations, where a few new billionaires join the global plutocracy.

Some data on economic inequality: The after-tax income of the top 1 percent of Americans rose 228 percent from 1979 through 2005, while middle class income remained flat over the last 4 decades. The richest 0.01 percent of earners made 5.1 percent of all income in 2005, up more than 300 percent from just 1.2 percent in 1960. Bad economic times like the present just exacerbate inequality. Even as most Wall Street companies lost billions in the sub-prime mortgage debacle after they had already made billions, they gave obscene bonuses to their employees: the average topped $180,000 for 2007, tripling the $61,000 in 2002. Scholars used to predict that high levels of economic inequality like we have today would lead to rebellion. But there are now insufficient tools and paths for rebellion, because the plutocracy has eliminated them. Instead, citizens are offered elections whose outcomes can be controlled and subverted by the ruling class.

The New World Order is getting what it wants: a stable two-class system, with the lower class serving the elitist upper class. The paradox is that along with rising economic inequality and apartheid is mounting consumerism and materialism that is used to pacify, distract and control the masses. That’s where easy credit and cheap products from low-wage nations are critical. The poor can have cell phones, 24-7 Internet access and increasingly cars, while the bejeweled upper class travel in private jets and yachts, vacation on private islands, and have several gated mansions maintained by servants and guarded by private police. We have a technologically advanced form of medieval society. It is working in the US and China and most other places. Elections just mask economic tyranny and slavery.

The ruling class knows how to maintain stability. Keep the masses distracted, fearful, brainwashed, insecure, and dependent on government and business sectors for survival. Train people to see themselves as relatively free consumers. Maintain the myth that ordinary people can become wealthy and join the ruling class, which theoretically is not impossible, but of no statistical significance for the masses.

There are no easy paths to restore power to the people. But here are three strategies worth considering. First, the real power of the masses is as consumers, not as voters, workers, activists, or Internet users. Weakened unions, globalization, technology, and illegal immigration have sapped the power of workers. National economies, especially the US, depend on consumers. Suspensions in discretionary consumer spending used as a political weapon could force reforms. But curbing personal spending and saving money has become a rare form of civil disobedience. Consumers buy stuff when they want it, not when they can afford it. Rulers have replaced chains with debt and no political leader in a very long time has championed economic rebellion.

Second, because they are more a tool of tyranny than rebellion, the masses should stop giving credibility and legitimacy to faux democracies by boycotting elections. Plutocrats cleverly equate patriotism and good citizenship with voting while at the same time ensuring that no genuine change agents can succeed even if elected. All election results can be subverted by the forces of corruption. Those promising change, like Barack Obama, do not pose a lethal threat to forces of evil and corruption. Sadly, refusing to vote in corrupt political systems is another worthy but unpopular form of civil disobedience. The compulsion to vote is a political narcotic that sustains democratic tyranny.

Third, people must seek forms of direct democracy that give them political power. National ballot measures and initiatives are needed to make laws, impose spending mandates and recall elected officials. A most important tool is constitutional conventions outside the control of status quo preservationists to obtain systemic reforms that governments will never provide, as explained for the US here. No greater example of ruling class power exists than the absence of massive public demands for using what the Founders gave Americans in Article V: the convention option to circumvent and fix the federal government that – amazingly – has never been used, and that no presidential candidate has supported, including constitutional champion Ron Raul.

Posted by Joel S. Hirschhorn at February 2, 2008 10:35 AM
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Comment #244476

Good article.

Sadly, I agree with most of it.

Yes, what is becoming clearer is that the biggest problem isn’t only the 535 corrupt, irresponsible, arrogant puppet clowns in the two-party duopoly in the Do-Nothing Congress, and their wealthy puppeteers.

The bigger problem is the 200 Million eligible voters that repeatedly reward irresponsible incumbent politicians with 96.5% re-election rates.
Only the voters can change it, because the politicians will not do it themselves.

  • 40% to 50% of voters don’t even bother to vote at all, and the least they could do is vote anti-incumbent.

  • 90% of elections are won by the candidate that spends the most money. What does that say about the voters?

  • Too many blindly loyal voters blindly pull the party-lever, and do not even know all of the candidates they are voting for, much less their voting records.

  • Too many voters are one-issue voters, making them easy to bribe with their own tax dollars.
    Too many voters prefer to wallow in the circular, divisive, distracting partisan-warfare, and blame the OTHER party when there’s really little (if any) difference.

  • Too many voters are delusional and think THEIR candidate and THEIR party isn’t bought-and-paid for.

  • Too many voters fail to understand that no one can list 10, 20, 50, 100, or even 268 (half of 535) in Congress that are responsible and accountable.

The voters are apparently:
  • (1) masochists,

  • (2) or brainwashed,

  • (3) or delusional,

  • (4) or ignorant,

  • (5) or stupid,

  • (6) or paralyzed by fear of the OTHER party (of which there is really little difference),

  • (7) or lazy,

  • (8) or one or more (if not all) of the above.

Why else do most voters repeatedly reward, the corrupt, greedy, FOR-SALE, bought-and-paid-for, look-the-other-way, incompetent, wasteful, pork-happy, spend-happy, tax-happy, irresponsible, and arrogant incumbent politicians in the two-party duopoly in Do-Nothing Congress with 96.5% re-election rates ?

There is only one problem with one of your recommendations.

Joel S. Hirschhorn wrote:
Suspensions in discretionary consumer spending used as a political weapon could force reforms. But curbing personal spending and saving money has become a rare form of civil disobedience.

Yes, some sort of “civil disobedience” is needed.

However …

Joel S. Hirschhorn wrote:
Sadly, refusing to vote in corrupt political systems is another worthy but unpopular form of civil disobedience. The compulsion to vote is a political narcotic that sustains democratic tyranny.

That is not the sort of “civil disobedience” that will change anything, since 40% to 50% of all 200 million eligible voters do not vote already, so that isn’t working is it?

Since “civil disobedience” is the goal, it would be wiser for voters to do something that is simply plain common-sense. It is a no-brainer:

  • STOP repeatedly rewarding irresponsible incumbent politicians with 96.5% re-election rates!

What could possibly make more sense?
Anyone care to tackle that question?
After all, if no one can list 10, 20, 50, 100, or even 268 (half of 535) in Congress that are responsible and accountable, why repeatedly reward incumbent politicians with perpetual re-election?
And regardless of who the next president is, why saddle the president with the same incompetent, irresponsible, incompetent, bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians in Congress?

Either way, the voters will get their education, and the voters will have the government that they deserve.

Posted by: d.a.n at February 2, 2008 11:44 AM
Comment #244486

We will soon be entering the 5th year of the Iraq “war”…the average spent by the U.S. each day in that “war” is $720 million.

One day of that expense could have provided any of the following alternatives; just think of the minds wasted and opportunities missed because the U.S. is funding this “war”:

423,529 children with healtcare
1,274,336 homes with renewable electricity
34,904 4-year scholarships for college students
5,482 families with homes
95,364 Head Start placements for children

What else have we not provided for the citizens of the U.S. that will now have to be postponed as we have to keep paying for this “war”??

Posted by: Rachel at February 2, 2008 3:05 PM
Comment #244489

Rachel, it is sad.
A war based on exaggerations and lies.
So many lost lives and opportunities.
So much crushing debt.
So many abuses … which did NOT all come about by mere coincidence.
But what is equally disturbing are the majority of voters that repeatedly reward incumbent politicians in the two-party duopoly in Congress with 96.5% re-election rates (on average since year 1980).

Posted by: d.a.n at February 2, 2008 3:39 PM
Comment #244504

dan you’re kinda missing the point here a bit, in that voting one way or another doesn’t really matter anymore at all. It’s not so much an apathetic or ignorant vote that is lending americans to the false notion of self governance, it’s the quaint idea that our votes actually have any effect whatever on the outcome of what we’re told are elections.

Sure, they count the votes we cast, but they funnel the field of candidates right back to the establishment politicians who perpetuate the failed government, which means that our “votes” are always cast in the globalist elites’ favor no matter which party they affiliate themselves with.

Joel is, sadly, quite correct, in that our only course of action now is to opt out of the system, and boycott our elections. When people envision a civil uprising, they may imagine crowds on the streets, possibly with guns, trying to rally other able-bodied people into an act of violent rebellion. But the reality is that the military industrial complex with its hand on the leash of our media, will make quick work of such a feable, yet patriotic attempt at regaining control.

We are firmly at the mercy of our rulers at this point, make no mistake. The bill of rights and constitution, at this point in time, are utterly WORTHLESS. Judge and prosecutor sit on the same side of the bench, the congress answers to the president, and the media bows to the wealthy who pay for the whole show, government et al.

The republic has been killed, and the democracy you see here does not include you. When you finally wake up to that fact, you too will be dismayed at seeing literally nothing but a world of lies.

Posted by: willc at February 2, 2008 9:39 PM
Comment #244514

willc….if you have given up, they have won.

Posted by: Rachel at February 3, 2008 12:24 AM
Comment #244516

Gor, Joel, how do you not put a gun in your mouth? Talk about a downer of a post. Not to say you don’t have a point, but what good does it do to be so bloody pessimistic? You basically say that we’ve already passed the point of no return, that democracy in America is broken and cannot be fixed short of immolating the entire Constitution and starting over from scratch. Big Brother is indeed watching, but I still think there’s time to jab a stick in his eye.

I have to go with d.a.n. and rachel on this one. The key to restoring democracy is to…..NOT vote? C’mon, if things are really as bad as you say, then the Powers That Be would absolutely LOVE it if you stayed home on Election Day. Makes their job easier. The key to truly restoring American Democracy is to make our voices heard, not to hide in the basement and plot the overthrow. We need to start at the bottom and work our way up. To quote Mahatma Gandhi “first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” We need to involve ourselves and everyone around us in the democratic process. Become a delegate, go to city council meetings, get in touch with your state rep, your alderman, your ward leader. Make your voice heard. That is the way to change things, not by being a defeatist.

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Posted by: leatherankh at February 3, 2008 1:41 AM
Comment #244523

Joel,

With barely 70% of the qualified populace registering, and barely 50% of those folks actually voting on a regular basis, I think it is fairly easy to see what has gotten America into the mess that we’re in. It is not voting, for whatever reason, that is the cause of the problem.

Advocating not voting as a protest against the status quo accomplishes exactly what?

This is just so much mental masturbation. It would be better that you might advocate a more intensive education in the process.

We have a responsibility to our forefathers, ourselves and to those that come after us to continue the experiment that is America.
By abrogating that responsibility we let the folks that depend on voter apathy to continue to rape and pillage the dreams of Jefferson, Adams, Madison, and Monroe.

“We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”
Ben Franklin

Posted by: Rocky at February 3, 2008 9:49 AM
Comment #244525
willc wrote: d.a.n you’re kinda missing the point here a bit, in that voting one way or another doesn’t really matter anymore at all.
Not true.

See Step [3] below. As simple and common-sense as it is, this is what too many voters overlook.
If enough voters do that, over and over, they will get their message across.
The problem is mostly the voters that repeatedly reward the incumbent politicians in the two-party duopoly in the Do-Nothing Congress with 93-to-99% re-election rates (96.5% on average since year 1980).

The problem is not only the politicians who are are corrupt, irresponsible, and unaccountable.
The problem is that too many voters repeatedly reward the politicians for it with 93-to-99% re-election rates.
Whoever is elected to an office, they will abuse their power if voters repeatedly reward the politicians for it with 93-to-99% re-election rates.
Almost anyone you put in office will be corrupt, irresponsible, and unaccountable if they are repeatedly rewarded for it with 93-to-99% re-election rates.
It is up to the voters, and repeatedly rewarding incumbent politicians with 93-to-99% re-election rates is not working is it?
Voters can whine and complain and give Congress dismally low (e.g. 11%) approval ratings, but it makes no sense to then turn around and repeatedly reward incumbent politicians with 93-to-99% re-election rates?
Reward your children for bad behavior, and every spoiled rotten thing they do, over and over, and guess what the result will be? Duh!

willc wrote: d.a.n you’re kinda missing the point here a bit, in that voting one way or another doesn’t really matter anymore at all.
Therefore, I completely completely.

It is up to the voters.
While most voters want to complain about bad politicians, they refuse to take responsiblity for their part in repeatedly rewarding those politicians with 93-to-99% re-election rates.
And, whoever becomes president, what good can they accomplish if they are saddled with the same corrupt, do-nothing Congress?
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VOTING GUIDELINEs:

[1] Research the candidates. Look at their voting records (not just what they say). Avoid pulling the party-lever. Avoid being seduced into the circular, divisive, distracting, petty, partisan-warfare that pits voters against each other, and allows irresponsible incumbent politicians to enjoy their cu$hy, coveted incumbencies while ignoring the nation’s pressing problems (problems that are growing in number and severity). The party-lever and the partisan-warfare is how irresponsible incumbent politicians cleverly tap-into the voters’ laziness. The party-lever makes voting easy and fast. The partisan-warfare distract the voters you from more substantive issues, and distracts from the politicians’ failure to do their job to adequately address those issues.

[2] Presidential elections usually have many candidates, so the likelihood of all candidates being equally unacceptable is unlikely. However, for an election of any office in which there are no good candidates and no incumbent (i.e. all candidates are equally unacceptable), then why give any of them your valuable vote? If a write-in is allowed, do that instead. It is perfectly acceptable to refuse to give your vote to any candidate if you believe none are acceptable. However, voters that simply don’t care enough to vote at all, or adequately research their choices, are doing themselves and others a disservice. But, please do not vote merely for the sake of voting. An uninformed voter is worse than a non-voter.

[3] This step is very important.. If there are no good candidates (i.e. all candidates are about equally unacceptable), it is best to vote for a non-incumbent (i.e. challenger) rather than reward the irresponsible incumbent by re-electing them, and allowing them to grow more powerful and more irresponsible. We were never supposed to re-elect irresponsible incumbents. Unfortunately, that happens too often, merely because of blind party loyalty. There’s nothing wrong with party loyalty, but blind party loyalty merely empowers both main parties to keep taking turns being irresponsible, and keeps their incumbency rates high (e.g. 93% to 99%); essentially rewarding Congress and telling Congress to continue being irresponsible, FOR-SALE, and corrupt. Parties encourage straight-ticket voting, but that is the lazy way. That is how parties tap-into your laziness to trick you into pulling the party-lever, instead of doing your own thinking for yourself.

[4] If there is a good candidate, vote for that candidate. Don’t just vote for the lesser of two evils. If all of the candidates are bad, then vote for the non-incumbent instead of rewarding the incumbent (or if there is no incumbent, then don’t give your vote to any of them). And, do not rely on party alone. Don’t blindly pull the party-lever (i.e. straight-ticket). Study each candidates’ voting records, philosophies, and/or platform. While you may be tempted to merely vote for a candidate merely because they belong to a particular party, they may not even remotely represent your beliefs. An uninformed vote is worse than no vote.
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willc wrote: It’s not so much an apathetic or ignorant vote that is lending americans to the false notion of self governance, it’s the quaint idea that our votes actually have any effect whatever on the outcome of what we’re told are elections.
And whose fault is that if it isn’t the voters’ fault?

Why should any American voter keep doing the same thing, over and over, and expect a different result?
Why should any American voter expect change by repeatedly rewarding irresponsible incumbent politicians with 93%-to-99% re-election rates.
Therefore, I disagree completely.
It is in the voters hands, and if they want change, they need to change, and that means doing the smart thing; not the same thing over and over.

willc wrote: Sure, they count the votes we cast, but they funnel the field of candidates right back to the establishment politicians who perpetuate the failed government, which means that our “votes” are always cast in the globalist elites’ favor no matter which party they affiliate themselves with.
Then why repeatedly reward those politicians with 93%-to-99% re-election rates?

It’s really that simple.
As long as we can vote and get an accurate vote-count, I do not agree with the excuses that voting is pointless.

Voting is pointless only if too many voters see it as such, and then waste their votes by repeatedly rewarding irresponsible incumbent politicians with 93%-to-99% re-election rates.

willc wrote: Joel is, sadly, quite correct, in that our only course of action now is to opt out of the system, and boycott our elections.
Joel wrote a fine article, but on that one issue, he is not correct.

Why?
Because, getting everyone to NOT vote is probably impossible.
Some one will vote.
The partisan loyalists will pull the party-lever.
Besides, 40% to 50% of all voters already do not vote, and it isn’t working is it?

willc wrote: When people envision a civil uprising, they may imagine crowds on the streets, possibly with guns, trying to rally other able-bodied people into an act of violent rebellion. But the reality is that the military industrial complex with its hand on the leash of our media, will make quick work of such a feable, yet patriotic attempt at regaining control.
There is a peaceful approach right under the voters’ very own noses.

Simply stop repeatedly rewarding irresponsible incumbent politicians with 93%-to-99% re-election rates.
That is the common-sense, no-brainer, peaceful, and responsible thing voters were supposed to be doing all along.
Not blindly pulling the party-lever.
The party-lever should become a dirty word.
Only blind loyalists blindly pull the party-lever without even knowing the candidates on the ticket, much less their voting records.

willc wrote: We are firmly at the mercy of our rulers at this point, make no mistake.
Only if they believe as you do.

Only if they have resigned to futility as you have.

willc wrote: The bill of rights and constitution, at this point in time, are utterly WORTHLESS.
Not true.

They are being voilated.
So why repeatedly reward those politicians with 93%-to-99% re-election rates?
Vote out irresponsible incumbent politicians, over and over, and that will send a clear message, and hold politicians accountable.
The problem is too many voters are failing to hold their politicians accountable.

willc wrote: Judge and prosecutor sit on the same side of the bench, the congress answers to the president, and the media bows to the wealthy who pay for the whole show, government et al.
So why repeatedly reward those incumbent politicians with 93%-to-99% re-election rates?
willc wrote: The republic has been killed, and the democracy you see here does not include you. When you finally wake up to that fact, you too will be dismayed at seeing literally nothing but a world of lies.
Only if most voters have given up as you have.

When you finally wake up to that fact”, then maybe you’ll learn vote more responsibly, instead of giving up.
I understand your frusrtation, but giving up won’t accomplish anything.
The very least you can do is go vote, every election, and vote for non-incumbents.

Joel’s article states “civil disobedience” as a goal.
Therefore, how about using your vote?
Don’t repeatedly reward irresponsible incumbent politicians with 93%-to-99% re-election rates?

And if you get a chance, visit VOIDnow.org .

At any rate, the voters will have the government that they dererve.

Posted by: d.a.n at February 3, 2008 10:29 AM
Comment #244528

Evolution requires selective pressures, that gradually weed out the inappropriate adaptations. But where do those selective pressures come from, the positive rewards and negative disincentives? From voters. When we passively sit by, thinking it doesn’t matter, our views then don’t matter, and can’t matter. Politicians, in general, do whatever it is they think they can get away with, and no more if they can help it. If we make it difficult to survive an election if they don’t pay homage to our interests, they will be more likely to reflect our wishes in their policy.

If we embrace apathy and political despair in the system, we will discourage ourselves from exercising our truest measure of control over the system.

We will always face the risk that others may not agree with us, and our vote will not matter the way we want it to matter. However, as things go, there can majorities among the populace that don’t even know they exist, and if they were to shake off their despair at not being heard, perhaps they could have the effect they desire. If you vote, you have the chance to be part of th majority that changes things, or the minority that give somebody pause.

But don’t vote? Don’t vote, and you’ll sacrifice all official leverage you have on the candidates and the parties. These people in Washington, the ones who last, may sometimes be stubborn and behind the curve, but they’re not stupid, and if you make it clear that there is a price that will be paid if they don’t do things your way, they’ll eventually figure it out.

Vote. Don’t trust the rest of America to speak for you.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at February 3, 2008 11:33 AM
Comment #244533

Joel
Correct though one must bear in mind that although powerful,the US is NOT the rest of the world. Right now the US is being challeged and our influence weakend by some of the things you bring up. Our economic troubles can all be laid at the feet of the middle class not sharing in the growth of the economy. If workers had,as in the past,also shared in the benefits of productivity increases their would be not morgage crises. The next big storm will be in credit.Much of the healthcare delema is a result of wages not keeping up with cost,ad nausium.These are largely US problems.
I just spent some time with a Canadian who had recently retired quite well BTW, from Canadas major phone company. He was delighted to tell me of that companies not very good CEO that also retired at the same time. The difference was that the CEO managed to give himself a golden parachute of 50 million dollars. The Canandian government response was to pass a special tax law that charged him 150% percent of his bonus as a warning to other CEOs.
The US ,because of these policies ,is losing influence except militarily. There is a move away from the dollar for example. Developing countries are relying less on US financial instituions for development loans etc.when better terms with fewer strings can be obtainned elsewhere.

Posted by: BillS at February 3, 2008 1:13 PM
Comment #244536

Stephen, well said.

Posted by: d.a.n at February 3, 2008 1:58 PM
Comment #244547

Rachel, they make the rules, therefore they always win.

dan, carrot on a stick.

“then maybe you’ll learn vote more responsibly, instead of giving up.”

By always voting for the challenger? Don’t you think people already do this on their own? I know what you’ll say, since you constantly repeat yourself: “Vote out irresponsible incumbent politicians, over and over, and that will send a clear message, and hold politicians accountable.” You’re method of empowering the people to get the government back under their control is no more possible than Joel’s is. I like Joel’s idea better though because at least I would not be supporting the duopoly. You know just as well as anyone else that the only “electable” challengers are aligned with the status quo republocrats, same as the incumbents.

“So why repeatedly reward those politicians with 93%-to-99% re-election rates?”

You ever thought about why these reelection rates are so “cu$hy”?

Tyranny. Saddam Hussein held rigged elections too, with similar outcomes. Voting in America, like it was in pre-invasion Iraq, is a scam. “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free” —Johann von Goethe.

So, again, carrot on a stick. You can continue to believe that voting has power, but it is no different than plunking a coin into a slot machine and pulling the lever. Keep in mind that casinos aren’t going away for a very good reason. The house always wins, and odds are, you’ll lose.

Whether you want people to vote against incumbents, or like Joel, to boycott the elections, doesn’t mean a hill of beans to the millions of zombies out here that slurp up everything the elite media tells them. And it’s funny, because they actually tell everyone by reporting about how they slant the news in favor of topics and people that they choose to air, but people just shake their heads … “there they go again!”

Try this experiment, but remember that it is just a small sample of human nature: go to cnn.com and you’ll see a section below the headlines entitled Popular News. Click the See Top Ten button. It is a list of the stories that get the most traffic, of course. Just scan the list, and you can sum it up in a couple of words: Glamour and Blood. At number ten when I did this was the story “Candidates kick off week with Super Tuesday stumping”. This is how the jacked-in American public prioritizes things.

So, these vampiric, starry-eyed zombies on couches are the people you hope will one day vote anti incumbent, pretty much in unison, and wrest control away from their sugar daddies, the globalist elite who feed them the reality they’ve been born into? I sympathize with you dan, your plight is herculean.

So is Joel’s (especially the part about an article V convention), but the difference is, your method requires people to (gasp) get motivated and organized. Joel sees it for what it is, and that is apathy rising. It’s a tad more likely that people will simply not vote, and eventually, very few will go pull the lever. It will be interesting to see how that works out, when, as you said, people finally get the government they deserve.

There are many ways to categorize people. You can say there are two kinds, three kinds, four kinds, one kind … then insert some pithy conjecture. When I look around at my fellow man, I see many kinds also; greedy and selfless, pessimists and optimists, skeptics and believers, wealthy and poor, good and evil. I tend to subscribe to the idea that there are people who embrace the lies, and those who reject them. There are many ways to embrace the lies, and there are many levels of rejection of lies, but the are always lies. We even let the lies be reworded as misstatements, untruths, misleading statements.

But, let’s imagine we’re walking back into this casino … a real one, not metephorical, and when it’s nice and busy, let’s turn out all the lights. You may have seen the movie Ocean’s Eleven, wherein this very scene occurrs. One moment, the lights are on, and it’s an orgy of greed, as can be expected in a casino. Then the lights go out, and there is a brief period of fear followed by a feeding frenzy of greed, then the lights are back on, and we see an explosion of fear, greed, and violence.

After our imagined fiasco in the casino, you know what happens next … some bottom-feeding people go to jail, but the casino reestablishes it’s purpose: to regulate, control, and profit from people who make poor decisions.

So what’s my point? We walk a very fine line, my friends. We need to be governed because we’re nuts. Yet we need to have power over our government, because they’re nuts too. Our self control has been deteriorating since, oh, around 1913. That’s when we relieved congress of it’s duty to coin our money, and embraced the Federal Reserve Act. President Woodrow Wilson signed it into law in December of that year, but later he said, in regret, “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit. We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”

You know that he was right when he said this. He finally saw the truth. Every dollar printed is a loan plus interest. The only way to pay back the loan and the interest, is with more dollars printed as loans plus interest. Our debt is self perpetuating, as is the power of our debtors.

In a world where infinite money is created out of nothing, and the government that we have lost control of is unashamedly selling out to the highest bidder, what the hell is a vote? What the hell is a million votes? What good is a few hundred million votes, if the elections are rigged? What impact does dissent or doubt have on this world, when everyone is jacked-in to a global web of lies spewing from every electronic broadcasting device, and inked onto glamour-stuffed scraps of paper? The elections are rigged, and not just because they are increasingly conducted by these absurd electronic voting machines. The entire process is rigged; the candidates, the debates, the caucuses, the news coverage, the delegates, and finally, the vote counting.

What I see is elite power players having their way with us in their grand game. They make the rules and give us the credit for it, but in the end, they always win. You can play it if you want, but I quit.

I think perahps the only sanity that can be found in this world is in people who are either indigenous, amish, or otherwise altogether unplugged.

So there’s my 4 cents plus interest. Have a good day.

Posted by: willc at February 3, 2008 4:54 PM
Comment #244552
willc: dan, carrot on a stick.
Think as you like. But what if you are wrong and what if I am wrong?

See the difference?
You could be wrong about your consipiracy theory that the elections are rigged and controlled.
If you are, then voting out bad politicians makes sense (just in case).
If you are right, then nothing changes.
But I have not seen proof of voter fraud to the level needed to give Congress 93%-to-99% re-election rates.

willc: By always voting for the challenger? Don’t you think people already do this on their own?
No, and the proof of it is here: 93% to 99% re-election rates for Congress since year 1980
willc: I know what you’ll say, since you constantly repeat yourself: “Vote out irresponsible incumbent politicians, over and over, and that will send a clear message, and hold politicians accountable.”
Well, perhaps it needs repeating since some don’t understand the value of it.
willc: You’re method of empowering the people to get the government back under their control is no more possible than Joel’s is. I like Joel’s idea better though because at least I would not be supporting the duopoly. You know just as well as anyone else that the only “electable” challengers are aligned with the status quo republocrats, same as the incumbents.
Not true.

Incumbents highly value their cu$hy, coveted incumbencies.

willc: You ever thought about why these reelection rates are so “cu$hy”? Tyranny. Saddam Hussein held rigged elections too, with similar outcomes. Voting in America, like it was in pre-invasion Iraq, is a scam. “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free” —Johann von Goethe.
Yes, I have thought about it.

And even as cynical as some people believe me to be, I am not so cynincal yet to believe the election fraud is so vast to control the outcome of elections for the majority of the 535 people in Congress.
You’ll have to provide some proof before I believe that.
Until you know 100% for certain, it is foolish to allow corrupt politicians to stay in office by NOT voting or by re-electing them by blindly pulling the party-lever.

willc: So, again, carrot on a stick. You can continue to believe that voting has power, but it is no different than plunking a coin into a slot machine and pulling the lever. Keep in mind that casinos aren’t going away for a very good reason. The house always wins, and odds are, you’ll lose.
I disagree.

It is up to the voters.
And while enough voters may stop repeatedly rewarding corrupt politicians with 93%-to-99% re-election rates, the ability to do it is there.
It’s that simple.
And if they don’t, then they will get what they deserve, and most Americans will continue to suffer from these 10 abuses that have been getting worse for 30 years.

willc: Whether you want people to vote against incumbents, or like Joel, to boycott the elections, doesn’t mean a hill of beans to the millions of zombies out here that slurp up everything the elite media tells them. And it’s funny, because they actually tell everyone by reporting about how they slant the news in favor of topics and people that they choose to air, but people just shake their heads … “there they go again!”
Maybe.

But that can’t last forever, because eventually, it will become too painful.
Already, people are realizing things are getting worse. Not better.
Don’t underestimate the motivation provided by pain.

willc: Try this experiment, but remember that it is just a small sample of human nature: go to cnn.com and you’ll see a section below the headlines entitled Popular News. Click the See Top Ten button. It is a list of the stories that get the most traffic, of course. Just scan the list, and you can sum it up in a couple of words: Glamour and Blood. At number ten when I did this was the story “Candidates kick off week with Super Tuesday stumping”. This is how the jacked-in American public prioritizes things.
The Main Stream Media has a lot of problems. No doubt about it. And many of the people in America have stewed tomatoes for brains.

But that does not prove the voting system and counting-of-votes is rigged.

willc: So, these vampiric, starry-eyed zombies on couches are the people you hope will one day vote anti incumbent, pretty much in unison, and wrest control away from their sugar daddies, the globalist elite who feed them the reality they’ve been born into? I sympathize with you d.a.n, your plight is herculean.
Yes, and I have few delusions of success.

I know we will probably have to learn the hard way again.
But giving up will only guarantee it.
See the difference?

willc: So is Joel’s (especially the part about an article V convention), but the difference is, your method requires people to (gasp) get motivated and organized. Joel sees it for what it is, and that is apathy rising. It’s a tad more likely that people will simply not vote, and eventually, very few will go pull the lever. It will be interesting to see how that works out, when, as you said, people finally get the government they deserve.
You may be correct about the apathy of voters.

The voters may have to learn the hard way again.
But giving up will only guarantee it.
So, education is part of the solution.
I know Lou Dobbs and Jack Cafferty have converted a lot of former Republican and Democrat politicians.
Every journey starts with the first step, and you’ll never get anywhere by giving up.

willc: There are many ways to categorize people. You can say there are two kinds, three kinds, four kinds, one kind … then insert some pithy conjecture. When I look around at my fellow man, I see many kinds also; greedy and selfless, pessimists and optimists, skeptics and believers, wealthy and poor, good and evil. I tend to subscribe to the idea that there are people who embrace the lies, and those who reject them. There are many ways to embrace the lies, and there are many levels of rejection of lies, but there are always lies. We even let the lies be reworded as misstatements, untruths, misleading statements.
I agree with the statement completely.

People need reasons to want to believe the truth.
One of the obvious reasons is to avoid the inevitable pain and misery they will bring onto themselves (for whatever reason).
Another economic meltdown similar to the Great Depression is not far fetched.

willc: But, let’s imagine we’re walking back into this casino … a real one, not metephorical, and when it’s nice and busy, let’s turn out all the lights. You may have seen the movie Ocean’s Eleven, wherein this very scene occurrs. One moment, the lights are on, and it’s an orgy of greed, as can be expected in a casino. Then the lights go out, and there is a brief period of fear followed by a feeding frenzy of greed, then the lights are back on, and we see an explosion of fear, greed, and violence. After our imagined fiasco in the casino, you know what happens next … some bottom-feeding people go to jail, but the casino reestablishes it’s purpose: to regulate, control, and profit from people who make poor decisions.
That is why there are laws, and they need to be enforced better.

It can be done. Proof of it is the abscense of total anarchy and chaos.
More Eduation, Transparency, and Accountability is needed.

willc: So what’s my point? We walk a very fine line, my friends. We need to be governed because we’re nuts. Yet we need to have power over our government, because they’re nuts too.
: ) … That’s a good line. I may want to use that later, if it is OK ?
willc: Our self control has been deteriorating since, oh, around 1913. That’s when we relieved congress of it’s duty to coin our money, and embraced the Federal Reserve Act. President Woodrow Wilson signed it into law in December of that year, but later he said, in regret, “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit. We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”
I agree. Have you been reading my writings ( one-simple-idea.com/DebtAndMoney.htm ) about the Federal Reserve?

And after the collapse, we learned nothing from it, and restarted they Federal Reserve’s pyramid scheme all over again.
That is why monetary system reform is needed.
But NO reforms will ever occur by repeatedly rewarding corrupt politicians with 93%-to-99% re-election rates.

willc: You know that he was right when he said this. He finally saw the truth. Every dollar printed is a loan plus interest. The only way to pay back the loan and the interest, is with more dollars printed as loans plus interest. Our debt is self perpetuating, as is the power of our debtors.
Yes, think he was right.

He is not the only one. Several presidents and Congress persons have said the same thing.
In fact, once you realize how pervasive and far-reaching the pyramid scheme is in every aspect of our economy, you understand how sinister and ingenious it was.

Along with those other 10 abuses (see link above).

willc: In a world where infinite money is created out of nothing, and the government that we have lost control of is unashamedly selling out to the highest bidder, what the hell is a vote? What the hell is a million votes? What good is a few hundred million votes, if the elections are rigged? What impact does dissent or doubt have on this world, when everyone is jacked-in to a global web of lies spewing from every electronic broadcasting device, and inked onto glamour-stuffed scraps of paper? The elections are rigged, and not just because they are increasingly conducted by these absurd electronic voting machines. The entire process is rigged; the candidates, the debates, the caucuses, the news coverage, the delegates, and finally, the vote counting.
I could be wrong, but I do not yet believe we have lost the ability to get a fairly accurate vote-count.

If we have, then we waited too long.
If we haven’t, we’d better start voting wiser now.
Since you could be wrong about the voter fraud, the logical thing to do is err on the side of caution, and vote anyway.
Just in case.
Based on your disdain for politicians (which I largerly share), why not, just in case, vote against incumbent politicians?

willc: What I see is elite power players having their way with us in their grand game. They make the rules and give us the credit for it, but in the end, they always win. You can play it if you want, but I quit.
I felt the same way once, and still would if I thought a fairly accurate vote-count was impossible.

But I don’t anymore.
Some civil disobedience is in order.
Vote out all irresponsible incumbent politicians (which is probably most, if not all of them).

willc: I think perahps the only sanity that can be found in this world is in people who are either indigenous, amish, or otherwise altogether unplugged.
Maybe.
willc: So there’s my 4 cents plus interest. Have a good day.
Thanks! And please consider giving the civil disobedience method a chance. After all, there’s possibly something to gain, and nothing to lose. Right?
  • Posted by: d.a.n at February 3, 2008 5:56 PM
    Comment #244559

    willc has it sussed. The Financial, Military Industrial Congressional complex has fixed the game. It doesn’t matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in. They are all puppets of the puppetmasters who dangle the strings. They have to swear fealty to those who fund them. As someone above observed, those who spend the most campaigning win the elections. And they get the most from their liege lords, whom they serve in the most slavish and servile manner.

    The only spark of light on the horizon, is that these puppetmasters are so greedy, that they cannot see they are killing the golden goose. I only hope that in their fall, they do not bring down the home we share. The US has passed its zenith, it’s unipolar moment has passed, as the rest of the world responds to its madness, evidenced by the Bank of the south, the SCO, the rise of China and India. Russia has awakened to their plot to enslave it, and that is why they want to place missiles and radars in eastern Europe. They think that when they launch their first strike on Russia, their Missiles in Europe will be able to take out what Russia has left to respond with. Lunatics. Armageddon is getting closer by the day. I believe that even during the cold war, we were never as close to nuclear annihilation.

    Posted by: Paul in Euroland at February 3, 2008 8:39 PM
    Comment #244560

    WillC-
    Supporting the Duopoly? It supports itself, for the most part. But what many have managed to do by buying into the notion that acquiescence equals agreement, is to help perpetuate the problem. Many people voted for Bush or didn’t vote against him based on the notion that a Democrat supposedly would be little different.

    Result? One of the most right-wing, partisan administrations of all times was permitted to exist and endure. It may be self-gratifying to say you voted outside the duopoly, or didn’t vote at all, but sometimes you have to think in terms of the closest approximation to the result you desire, rather than simply react in a kneejerk manner to the politics.

    Voting has power, so long as people believe it does. When they don’t believe it does, they do foolish things like not vote, or vote for people who don’t serve their interests, but who have managed to scare them or peel them off on one solitary issue or another.

    That is how the corrupt in Washington of this time, and those of all other times and places operate. Distraction, apathy, risk-aversion: nothing pleases these people more than people unwilling to reconsider a decision they’ve invested themselves in for one reason or another. Part of how the corrupt survive in politics lies in their ability to distract us from what we truly wish to get done.

    But that only lasts so long. Human beings are creatures blessed with the ability to learn, whether the lessons are hard or not.

    What you have to learn is that the ones playing in the casino are the politicians trying to remain in Washington on sheer charm alone. On a long enough timescale, everybody’s chances of survival runs down to zero.

    The voters? The voters tend to be rather adaptive. They don’t really care about what people do in Washington as long as things run well. Unfortunately, somebody has squandered that trust. The silver lining of that dark cloud is that people are paying attention.

    About the news media: don’t confuse the obsessions of media execs and folks like that with what people actually want to know about. It’s not for nothing we’ve seen a proliferation in the blogosphere, nore that we’ve seen record turnouts in virtually every primary so far. People are very interested in the leadership. Remember that in the last election a full third of America’s population voted. In the last election people turned out in huge numbers to almost completely reverse the Republican majority.

    I’ve commented on Dan’s theories before. I don’t agree with him, but at least he remains active, rather than passive.

    To be passive is not to be sane, but to live in the delusion that by not participating, you have any real influence. The truth of the matter is, America’s financial system can work well as long as we recognize one important truth: it is an artificial system which requires proper rules and regulation to function. It is also a system that works by millions of decisions that function on a more organic basis, and which sometimes with proper guidance, sometimes can correct itself. It’s too complicated to run by strict legalism, and too arcane in its chaotic sensitivities to be left to itself.

    Maybe the system is rigged. If so, the people in charge put themselves in greater danger. They can only succeed if they keep things quiet, which generally never happens. Suspicions are out there, and public. They, like any other human beings, can screw up. Even if they succeed, every step they take away from democracy makes them more and more vulnerable to people just deciding to handle things extralegally.

    Or, put another way, riots, political chaos, shit like that. They don’t want that kind of trouble. It’s bad for business, and it get reformers voted in, with the people’s backing for putting an end to all the fun.

    Our system is meant to moderate these kinds of interests, to make it difficult to pin down the political system and force it to work to their ends. Now we can despair that this doesn’t happen simply, permanently, or easily, but that just serves the corrupt in power. It serves their interests for people to smother their own collective power into a dormant state by despairing of their ability to bring about change.

    If you want sanity in this world, you have to expect things to screw up, but not stand by, and watch, resigned to it. You won’t avoid mistakes by doing something, but doing nothing is no more infallible a way of dealing with the world than doing something. It just means you don’t have to take responsiblity for things.

    Which brings me to my final point: is it any wonder that our politicians don’t take responsibility for things when we’ve taught ourselves to stand by, and make the same decision? We can feel sorry for ourselves that we sometimes elect liars, jerks, and screwups, and convince ourselves that if we don’t take the risk the next time we won’t have so much to blame ourselves for, or we can forgive ourselves, and keep trying. As long as remain predictably docile, the corrupt will have nothing to fear.

    But if we constantly keep the pressure on, and apply real consequences when folks screw things up, the pressures will serve to reshape the government more to our liking.

    Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at February 3, 2008 9:00 PM
    Comment #244562

    With all of these posts about how our votes don’t count, no one has mentioned that John Kerry, in a losing effort, garnered more votes than Reagan did in his “landslide” victory over Mondale in 1984.

    You guys bitch and moan about voter apathy and how we are being hosed by our government no matter who gets elected, yet you’re all for a demonstration of the most apathetic “cure” for what theoretically ails this country.

    Not voting, even once, allows those in power (and might I remind you all that these are the guys you’re bitching about), to stay in power.

    In other words, this is the dumbest demonstration against our government I have ever heard of.

    Posted by: Rocky at February 3, 2008 10:20 PM
    Comment #244581

    Rocky

    Not voting, even once, allows those in power (and might I remind you all that these are the guys you’re bitching about), to stay in power.

    Well said. Inaction would mostly indicate voter apathy. It would be non-productive and once again give the corrupt in our governmental system insurance that few are paying attention. Allowing them to fearlessly continue down that same slimy road of deciet and hidden agendas. These people fear the vote. It is the only weapon of empowerment we lesser beings possess. When they threaten to take our vote away is when we must truly be concerned. Our votes do count. It is the responsibility of the voters of this country to make informed educated decisions and to hold our representatives accountable.

    Posted by: RickIL at February 4, 2008 10:50 AM
    Comment #244585
    Paul from Euroland wrote: The only spark of light on the horizon, is that these puppetmasters are so greedy, that they cannot see they are killing the golden goose.
    That’s right.

    If they weren’t so greedy, they could milk it for a long, long time. But their greed is becoming so blatant and prevalent, that people are starting to notice. For example, I heard EXXON made a record $44 Billion in profits in 2007, and EXXON receives government subsidies. And this is one of the most greedy things I’ve seen in a long time. Check out this law firm that teaches corporations how to avoid hiring Americans. And then consider Bill Gates (www.programmersguild.org/docs/bill_gates_lies_about_h1b_wages.html), the richest person in the U.S. who wants the government to increase the limits on H-1B Visas so that he can import more cheap labor.

    Sadly, change may only come about when the consequences for so many years and decades of apathy, complacency, fear, and blind loyalty becomes too painful.

    Unfortunately, by the time that happens (if ever), it may be too late.

    And then, that may still not motivate people to stop these abuses (which did not all come about by mere coincidence) by the very people they continue to repeatedly reward with 93% to 99% re-election rates.

    Posted by: d.a.n at February 4, 2008 11:54 AM
    Comment #244600

    WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) - A teenage girl has filed a $50 million lawsuit against a New York billionaire, saying he sexually abused her when she was 14.

    Louis Kestenbaum”s attorney says the allegations are false and motivated by money. Kestenbaum is also the CEO of Fortis properties and the ODA a goverment funded organisation in the williamsburg section of Brooklyn NY

    The girl, now 17, claims Louis Kestenbaum invited her to his Florida mansion in 2005 to perform a massage for $300. The lawsuit, filed in federal court, claims he demanded she remove her clothes, then sexually assaulted her.

    The girl, her father and stepmother are seeking more than $50 million.

    Posted by: Kerry at February 4, 2008 2:31 PM
    Comment #244602

    One of the problems I see of actually enacting the idea of voting all the incumbants out is
    Apparent (delusion of) self-preservation.

    This is the part where having 535 representatives creates the problem

    I will vote out my idiot if you vote out your idiot. I have to REALLY trust that you are going to ACTUALLY vote out your idiot so that when mine gets booted I will not be left at a disadvantage in having some sort of say in the Govt (actually in the $$$$ share coming out of DC)

    I really believe a large part of voting for the incumbant is
    1) voting in the other guy would not make a diff anyway, and you don’t KNOW him (the devil you know vs the devil you don’t)
    2) Party (I don’t care if he is a corrupt SOB, he is OUR SOB — and I would NEVER vote for a dirty slimy Republican/Democrat (chose the appropriate party)NO MATTER WHAT!!

    Easy to see in the upcoming election — many feel that McCain could get elected JUST BECAUSE there are many who would be voting against Hillary, rather than FOR McCain.


    I think the consumer angle might have a better chance
    Notice how acceptable Global Warming has become to corporations (and even Bush is sort of getting in line)
    They have found that there is $$$$ in “being green”!!
    They are practically falling all over themselves to PROVE just how “Green” they are — even the OIL COMPANIES (now there’s a laugh!!)

    Note however that even consumer apathy is even so bad that the Networks will respond to a relatively small number of phone calls about an issue — knowing that normally they get NO response (except from some of their regulars) — so if suddenly they get as few as 10 phone calls about something — they go into emergency action plans!!

    Posted by: Russ at February 4, 2008 2:56 PM
    Comment #244611

    Russ,

    You are right.
    Fear is part of it.
    Also hatred and the petty partisan warfare fueled by the politicians and their hacks.

    But the sad fact is, most (if not all) are irresponsible, FOR-SALE, incompetent, and/or corrupt.

    After all, after two years, no one can yet name 10, 20, 50, 100, 200, or even 268 (half of 535) in Do-Nothing Congress that are responsible and accountable.

    And while most voters whine and complain about Congress, they continue to do the same thing and continue to repeatedly reward the incumbent politicians with 93% to 99% re-election rates.

    Then, when nothing changes, the voters wonder what happened. Duh!

    Not too smart is it?

    At any rate, the voters will have the government that they deserve.

    Perhaps they’ll figure it out when they are jobless, homeless, and hungry.

    Already, 2% of the U.S. population owns more wealth than the remaining 98% of the 305 Million Americans, and it is getting worse due to these 10 abuses which the voters tolerate.

    And the longer they tolerate it, the worse it will be later for a long time.

    Posted by: d.a.n at February 4, 2008 4:02 PM
    Comment #244621

    d.a.n.
    I agree with you, but the question I pose is
    how do you achieve what you are proposing
    I would suggest a need to identify and recognize the obstacles, and then try to figure out how to overcome them
    So far all I have seen is suggestions to “vote the bums out”
    Well, that ain’t gonna happen — and it appears the current tack you are taking may not be making a dent.
    So
    why not?
    and then
    How can I (you) change my (your) approach so as to overcome their resistance to my idea.

    otherwise all I see happening is that your website will continue to complain about voter apathy and predict for us what will happen if we don’t “vote the bums out”
    continue to sound the alarm d.a.n. but we obviously need something more (different) to actually get some action to be taken.

    Posted by: Russ at February 4, 2008 5:37 PM
    Comment #244632
    First, the real power of the masses is as consumers

    Second, because they are more a tool of tyranny than rebellion, the masses should stop giving credibility and legitimacy to faux democracies by boycotting elections.

    Third, people must seek forms of direct democracy that give them political power.

    This sounds like a good plan.

    Save money.

    Hold local elections.

    Give local officials more money than state or federal officials.

    All in favor say Me.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at February 4, 2008 7:12 PM
    Comment #244649
    Russ wrote: d.a.n. I agree with you, but the question I pose is how do you achieve what you are proposing.
    Education, and as you said above: “continue to sound the alarm” and recommend “vote the bums out”

    Also, consider helping VOID spread the message.

    BTW, a few people in the Main Stream Media are starting to talk about some of these 10 abuses, and Americans are starting to understand the seriousness of these things. The number of independent voters is growing, as the number of party loyalists is shrinking. Lou Dobbs and Jack Cafferty are now constantly saying the same thing … “vote the bums out”.

    Russ wrote: I would suggest a need to identify and recognize the obstacles, and then try to figure out how to overcome them.
    The obstacle is motivating voters to overcome their apathy, complacency, blind partisan loyalties, laziness, and fears.

    Education is the first step.
    That education can be obtained the smart, peaceful, responsible way, or the hard way.
    It is their choice.
    Too many voters are not even aware that Congress enjoys a very cu$hy 93%-to-99% re-election rates.

    Russ wrote: So far all I have seen is suggestions to “vote the bums out”
    And what else makes more sense?

    Obviously, repeatedly rewarding irresponsible incumbent politicians with 93%-to-99% re-election rates is not working, is it?

    Russ wrote: Well, that ain’t gonna happen …
    That is debatable. Maybe not.

    However, the numbers leaving the two main parties and becoming independents is growing.
    Also, the anti-incumbent voting sentiment is growing.
    Two of the several largest anti-incumbent voting periods in history was during the Civil War and the Great Depression.
    So, if nothing else, pain and misery motivates people.

    Russ wrote: … — and it appears the current tack you are taking may not be making a dent.
    It may be a small dent, but it is probably a larger dent now than two years ago.

    I am certain that more people are now aware that repeatedly rewarding irresponsible incumbent politicians with 93%-to-99% re-election rates is not working.
    I receive E-Mails and comments from many people thanking me for One-Simple-Idea, which isn’t just complaining, but offers numerous common-sense solutions too.
    The only negative comments received are with regard to illegal immigration by some that don’t want existing laws enforced or borders secured.

    Russ wrote: So why not?
    Again, I’m not sure your conclusion is true, based on the thousands of hits on various web-pages (and other web-sites linking to various pages).

    But, if you have any other ideas, I’m all ears.

    Russ wrote: And then How can I (you) change my (your) approach so as to overcome their resistance to my idea.
    I’m open to ideas.

    Some people don’t care, and never will.
    Many people are not receptive to change.
    Many people are even hostile to the idea, due to strong loyalty to THEIR party.
    Some people agree, but have resigned to the idea that change is impossible, until the consequences become too painful.
    Some people are border-line and are gradually being swayed by the common-sense logic.
    Some people agree completely and understand perfectly, but are content to let others worry about it.
    Some people agree completely and understand perfectly, and contribute enormous amounts of time and money to the cause.
    Some people say as you do “continue to sound the alarm”, and are glad someone cares to do it.
    Some people hate your suggestion to “continue to sound the alarm”, and that is usually motivated by partisan loyalties, or they don’t like the truth that it is up to voters, and choose to only blame politicians, why repeatedly rewarding them with perpetual re-election.

    Russ wrote: otherwise all I see happening is that your website will continue to complain about voter apathy and predict for us what will happen if we don’t “vote the bums out”
    Again, your conclusion is not accurate (see list below of numerous others with similar messages).

    It isn’t merely about complaining, but common-sense solutions too.
    In the end, the only thing that will resonate with people is the right thing.
    It may take a long time, and it may be difficult, and some people will always resist change, but in time, there is a better than 50%/50% chance for progress.
    If that were not true, we wouldn have no laws, no order, only chaos, anarchy, and non-stop and wide-spread war and carnage.

    Likewise with the following that carry the similar messages and information:

    • VOIDnow.org

    • FOAVC.ORG

    • TenureCorrupts.com

    • VOIAC.ORG

    • NoToIncumbents.ORG

    • Anti-Incumbents.com

    • OutWithIncumbents.org

    • Vote-Smart.org

    • TomasDaly.com/voteout.html

    • uscaip.blogspot.com (U.S. Congressional Anti-Incumbent Party)

    • ThrowTheRascalsOut.org

    • ReclaimDemocracy.org

    • VoterRebellion.com

    • PoliWatch.org

    • akdart.com

    • transparency.org/publications/gcr

    • Pirg.org

    • whytuesday.org

    • pogo.org

    • CommonCause.org

    • TheRestOfUS.org

    • OpenSecrets.org

    • GlobalismScorecard.org

    • … and a number of books …
    • Independents Day - by Lou Dobbs

    • War on the Middle Class

    • It’s Getting Ugly Out There: The Frauds, Bunglers, Liars, and Losers Who Are Hurting America - by Jack Cafferty

    • Inconvenient-Book-Solutions-Biggest-Problems - by Glenn Beck

    • Broken Government

    • Delusional Democracy
    Also consider this report (www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/04/poll.election/index.html):
      Voters are anti-incumbent and angry, new poll finds:
      WASHINGTON (CNN) — Most Americans are angry about “something” when it comes to how the country is run, and they are more likely than in previous years to vote for a challenger this November, a new poll suggests. A majority of Americans surveyed — and a higher percentage than recorded during the same time last year — said things in the United States are going “badly.” Among this year’s respondents, 29 percent said “pretty badly” and 25 percent — up from 15 percent a month ago — answered “very badly.” By comparison, 37 percent described the way things are going as “fairly well,” and 9 percent answered “very well.” Of these people, 76 percent said there was “something” to be angry about in the country today. By comparison, 59 percent felt that way when polled in February.

    Also, consider the following seat-retention rates (below).

    • 106th Congress; Average Seat Retention rate: 99.3%

    • 107th Congress; Average Seat-Retention rate: 98.7%

    • 108th Congress; Average Seat-Retention rate: 98.1%

    • 109th Congress; Average Seat-Retention rate: 98.7%

    • 110th Congress; Average Seat-Retention rate: 93.1%
    They are falling slowly, but need to fall much more.
    Politicians value their cu$hy, coveted seats of power.
    The best way to send them a clear message is to vote them out.
    Their replacements will get the message, and it will not be lost on those lucky enough to retain their incumbency.

    Russ wrote: continue to sound the alarm d.a.n …
    Thanks. Giving up won’t accomplish anything, so the only logical thing to do is keep trying, always.
    Russ wrote: … but we obviously need something more (different) to actually get some action to be taken.
    I praise you for caring enough to ask and search for solutions, and I am open to suggestions.

    As for myself, I donate time and money to several organizations (e.g. VOIDnow.org, FOAVC.org, One-Simple-Idea.com, TenureCorrupts.com, NumbersUSA.com, CAGW.ORG, VOIAC.ORG, FamilySecurityMatters.org, ALIPAC.US, and few others on occasion).

    But I am open to more suggestions.
    As you can see above, anti-incumbent sentiments are growing, because people are starting to understand that most (if not all) in Congress are irresponsible and unaccountable, and the evidence of it is overwhelming. And the abuses are growing too. Yet many are not yet aware of that overwhelming evidence.

    So, part of the solution must be Education, to understand the importance of Education itself, Transparency, and Accountability.
    People will be less apathetic, complacent, blindly loyal, fearful, and lazy when the have sufficient motivation.
    That motivation will be based on common-sense logic, or when the consequences finally become too painful.

    A lot of people and organizations have different issues (e.g. illegal immigration, national debt, pork barrel, campaign finance, Article V and other constitutional violations, etc.).
    But what they all have in common is the 535 people in Congress that are responsible for it, and the 200 million eligible voters that repeatedly reward those in Congress with perpetual re-election.
    Thus, the solution seems simple and clear.
    But simple and clear is not so easy up against selfishness, apathy, complacency, laziness, greed, delusion, blind loyalty, fear, and corruption.
    We have met the enemy, and it is us.

    At any rate, the voters will get their education one way or another, and the voters will have the government that they deserve.

    Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2008 6:45 AM
    Comment #244656

    d.a.n, I have to agree with most of what you said, about people being reelected, but as I see the problem is even if someone else runs, how do we know that will not do the same? Unfortunately, it is the person with the most money who wins, not necessarily the most qualified person.
    So if you have 2 running for office A(who gets relected time after time) and B who is just starting do you vote for him?
    Not voting in my opinion is not a option, but vote for the lesser evil I guess.

    Posted by: KT at February 5, 2008 9:27 AM
    Comment #244660

    KT, If all of your choices are bad, including the incumbent, who should you vote for?

    If you already know the incumbent is bad, why re-elect the incumbent?

    Like wise for ALL elections.

    If all candidates are about equally bad, vote out the incumbent (important: see step [3]), so that that incumbent does not grow more powerful and difficult to unseat from power.

    As important as Step [3] is, it is too often overlooked and misunderstood.

    When all choice are bad, people don’t vote, and the very least they can do is remove the incumbent and hope the newcomer will understand that their term will be short too if they are irresponsible too.

    This does not apply to the 2008 Presidential office, since none are really incumbents to that office.

    However, who ever becomes president, should they be saddled with the same do-nothing, corrupt, irresponsible, incompetent Congress, that already enjoys a cu$hy 93%-to-99% re-election rates?

    At any rate, the voters will have the government that they deserve. As long as people can vote and get an adequately accurate vote-count, the voters ARE the government. If they don’t like it, it is up to them to change it.

    Too bad most voters fail to understand it.
    40% to 50% don’t even bother to vote.
    The very least they could do, if they dislike all candidates, is vote out the incumbents to disrupt their cu$hy, coveted incumbencies.

    Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2008 10:33 AM
    Comment #244725

    Unfortunatelly I agree with most of what has been said here.
    But more unfortunatelly this in not a particular case, it does not apply only to the United States. It goes globaly.
    I am not an American, but I am familiarized with the politics and strugles among various parties and with the common fears of the American people which, at some point are the same all over the world.
    I have chosen to express my opinions in writing, in the hope that someone will hear, someone will see, someone will understand. You can read, if you want and have time some general articles at: http://creating-ideas.blogspot.com/

    Posted by: Rheas Archeos at February 6, 2008 6:20 AM
    Comment #244832

    “A Republic, if you can keep it.” A wise man once stated.

    Posted by: semi-detached at February 7, 2008 6:53 PM
    Comment #244998

    Never mind all this ” Mindless Analysis ” this give’s me a ” MIGRANE ” headache.!

    “GOOD”will alway’s prevail over”EVIL”..!

    Case Closed!

    Posted by: j.i.m at February 10, 2008 10:56 AM
    Comment #245590


    Hi Joel, this is an excellent article. You truly see how the current two-party system is a tyranny masquerading as democracy! I’m going to post a link to it in my third-parties blog.

    Please let me suggest three other strategies for restoring power, in addition to the three you mention. First though, let me explain that I approach politics from a perspective that is both spiritually-oriented and logically hard-headed. I always feel I must apologize for this, fearing that people will associate my ideas with those of ignorant religious fundamentalist or ‘new-agers’. Be assured that such is not the case. My religious views are more like those of the Renaissance or in classical Greece and Rome — in times before the radical dissociation of Science and Religion occurred. The ‘System’ has discredited religion, thereby removing our most potent tools for restoring control. It has marginalized religious thought, drawing most attention to the more ignorant representatives of this viewpoint. Regardless of what the dominant positivist-materialist worldview teaches, evils does exist, and it quite plainly operates in ways that go beyond our current scientific models. It stands to reason that if we want to counter evil, then we have to be willing to consider spiritual paradigms. The fact that this seems to many so implausible is itself evidence of our conditioning.

    Enough by way of preface then. Now the three additional strategies for restoring power:

    4. Personal education. We have let our nation become dumbed down. This must be reversed. People, need to read more, and to read better quality material. Throw out Harry Potter and Tom Clancy. Pick up Plato, Aristotle, Shakespeare, and Gibbons. If that seems too hard and gives you a headache, so much the better; it proves the point: that people’s brains have become ‘flabby’ through non-use. The better people educate themselves, the more apparent the lies and oppression of the two-party monopoly will be. This is a cheap solution, and, importantly, one that, like all true solutions, begins with a person asking, “How can I promote change by reforming and improving myself?”

    5. Acquiring virtue. Yes, the System is evil and exploits us. But, as Walt Kelly, social critic and creator of the “Pogo” comic strip, wrote so long ago, “We have met the enemy and he is us.” Unfortunately, we are not just oppressed by the System, we are, to an alarming degree, part of the System. Anyone with a bank account or a pension plan is, intentionally or not, invested in the stock market — that immensely powerful, blind, and amoral force which *owns* the corporations that own the political parties.

    We need to become more virtuous — more just and charitable. We need to re-examine areas of our own life that contribute to the system. The more each of us acquires virtue, the more we enable others to do so by our example.

    6. Spiritual weapons. Most Americans apparently believe in God and an afterlife. They believe they are immortal beings. They also believe in prayer, or say they do. Yet somehow we dissociate these beliefs entirely when it comes to politics. That makes no sense at all. Either people should give up their religion or use it! And if religion is true, then people should pray for change. Indeed, that should be their first and most primary tool.

    Related to prayer is the class of tactics that Gandhi called “satyagraha”, which means “truth force.” Examples include things like demonstrations, constructive civil disobedience, and the willing acceptance of forms of suffering to promote change. When was the last time you heard anyone suggesting that people should go on penitential fasts for the sake of effecting social change? But the efficacy of such fasts is an established tenet of Judeao-Christian religious beliefs. We are ignoring all the most effective means human culture has ever known to promote social change.

    As this is just a comment, I shouldn’t make it too long. Let it suffice to suggest that people should think more about re-introducing religious and spiritual themes into discussions of socio-political reform. This should not be narrow-minded, fundamentalist, or sectarian. (Gandhi, for example, was famous for holding interdenominational religious services, combining Hindu, Muslim, and Christian prayers and scriptures.) But if we’re fighting evil, then we would be foolish indeed to fail to make use of our most potent weapons for combattng it.

    John Uebersax PhD
    satyagraha.wordpress.com

    Posted by: John at February 18, 2008 4:57 AM
    Comment #245644

    Thanks John,

    4. Personal education.

    I have expressed support for the establishment of educating our children k-12 of the constitution, what it says and how it came about. Why it says what it says in relation to when it was conceived. I truly believe the idea that an interpretation of the constitution as a licence to convolute it’s original intent is, in reality, responsible for it’s disintigration. The premice that the original intent of the constitution is not valid because our era is more complicated is very dangerous.

    6. Spiritual weapons.

    It was once our country’s greatest strength. The church was a protector of the wronged, the helper of the poor. But no more. The welfare state has pushed the church to the side and continues to villify it’s existance to achieve greater governmental power. To think religious freedom is intrepreted to enforce a void of religion is part of that plan. There should be NO issues heard by the Supreme court involving religion. If it involves one religion or a person’s disagreement with a religion, too bad. There is a separation of church and state and that separation is intrepreted as, “IT’S NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT’S BUSINESS.” I have yet to meet anyone who thinks the 10 commandments are wrong, yet our government is continuously forcing the 10 commandments out of public view.

    I fail to see how our society has deteriorated to this level by a shortage of laws. I fail to see the disconnect some have between the constant barrage of laws being generated by our politicians and the crime being committed in our society. Why do more laws result in more crime?
    Perhaps our politicians should sit in their throwns and proclaim to have a magic wand, and when they perceive a problem they should vote to use the magic wand and wave it at the problem and consider it solved. The current procedure and this way described would achieve the same result in most cases but, the current procedure costs more.

    5. Acquiring virtue.

    Buy gold and silver instead of stocks. Silver has gone from 13$ to 17$ in just a few months.
    I know it’s not virtue. It’s hoarding, but eventually it will put a squeeze on our economic system in a way that is right and just.


    Posted by: Weary Willie at February 18, 2008 5:30 PM
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