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October 12, 2007

The Barack Obama Lapel Pin Debacle Is Stupid!

The debacle over Barack Obama not wearing an American flag lapel pin is stupid. Why? Look at the pictures which follow and I think you will understand why.

These are pictures from the 2008 Presidential Debates from New Hampshire presented on CNN.

John McCain Photo

John Edwards Photo

Mitt Romney Photo

Joe Biden Photo

Mike Huckabee Photo

Bill Richardson Photo

Ron Paul Photo

Mike Gravel Photo

Sam Brownback Photo

Chris Dodd Photo

Tom Tancredo Photo

Dennis Kucinich Photo

Duncan Hunter Photo

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama Photo

Giuliani Photo

Paul is wearing a suit that has a button on his lapel. Kucinich has some sort of lapel pin, I am not sure what exactly it is, but it is not a flag. Now who, oh who is the only one to be wearing an American flag lapel pin? It is of course Mister 9/11 himself Rudy Giuliani.

So I ask you, and many of you know I never ever defend Democrats and am one of the first to criticize them, why does anyone care, outside of Giuliani supporters, if Barack Obama wears an American flag lapel pin or not?

I would like to move this further, why is Obama asked this question? Why is he singled out?

In looking for pictures for this post I saw quite a few of each candidate, keep in mind I was only looking for pictures which came from debates. And the only two candidates I saw with the American flag lapel pin out of all of these pictures was Giuliani, again and again, and one picture of Biden with it on at a MSNBC debate.

So it is clear Giuliani wears that pin proudly. Good for him, I am not going to say anything good or bad about that I am not concerned about that.

I am curious why the question was asked to Obama instead of anyone else.

Why not Hillary Clinton? The candidate who has already been elected according to a great Saturday Night Live skit.

Or why wasn't it asked to Mitt Romney? The fact that he is a Mormon makes him much more of a minority than Obama.

Hell why not ask Dennis Kucinich? His clear peace stance and anti-war stance are seen by some as a show of anti-Americanism.

The only candidate that it would make sense to not have to ask is John McCain, whatever you think of him his military service and sacrifice to this country are an incredile show of patriotism.

I do not think that any candidate should be forced to wear an American flag lapel pin. Moreover I think that wearing one is just an attempt to pull at the patriotic strings of some people. But I am left with the question: Why was Barack Obama asked this question when the above photos show it could be asked to anyone, besides 9/11...I mean Rudy Giuliani?

Posted by Richard Rhodes at October 12, 2007 04:30 PM
Comment #235988

WATERLOO, Iowa - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, D-Ill., said he will no longer wear an American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for “true patriotism” since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

I’m guessing its because the others didn’t say anything stupid like that.
Millions and millions of average Americans show their patriotism by displaying the American flag and probably didn’t like his answer.

I’m with you though Richard, who cares if he wears it or not.

Posted by: kctim at October 12, 2007 04:51 PM
Comment #235989

Because Republicans are racists. :-) And, also, I think O’Bama used to wear one and then stopped. His reasoning is that all the flag-waving that’s been going on since 9/11 has replaced true patriotism. Gotta agree with him.

Posted by: Max at October 12, 2007 04:51 PM
Comment #235995

Max, some Republicans are racists. Some Democrats are racist too! General statements like yours are illogical, incorrect, and a form of flame baiting. Like saying all liberals are socialists. I think it’s important that we correct the impropriety of our statements when we try to cast everyone of a particular group with identical characteristics.

I agree with Obama too!

Posted by: David R. Remer at October 12, 2007 05:12 PM
Comment #235997

Just to clarify for everyone, I was kidding when I said it was because Republicans are racist.

Posted by: Max at October 12, 2007 05:26 PM
Comment #235999

Also, I like the comment, because its a subtle dig against Guiliani. Nice to see someone on the Democratic side take on a Republican.

Posted by: Max at October 12, 2007 05:29 PM
Comment #236002

God help us. This election is going to be just as stupid as the previous two.

Posted by: Woody Mena at October 12, 2007 05:50 PM
Comment #236004

Going to be Woody?
Divorces, haircuts, actors, Rudy, clintons, lapel pins, maybe gore, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, terrorists this, terrorists that.

It already is.

Posted by: kctim at October 12, 2007 05:59 PM
Comment #236010

You are absolutely right Richard. This whole issue is ridiculously absurd. It seems as though modern day campaigning is turning into a tit for tat match with the individual candidates focusing more on the nuances of their counterparts than real issues. Sometimes I think it is used as a way to detract from the important issues because they simply want to avoid making any sort of commitment. Or perhaps they just do not have a clue. Who except perhaps the most blind party supporters would truly give a rats -ss about about such trivial bull-hit.

Posted by: RickIL at October 12, 2007 06:52 PM
Comment #236016

Reminds me of the medieval rhetorical illustration used to demonstrate the complete futility of how out-of-touch the theological debates had become at that time. To paraphrase: “How many angels can dance on the head of Barack Obama’s flag pin?”
But in this case it demonstrates how out-of-touch the political debates have become in this country.
Really the fact that this has been allowed to be considered a news story at all gives a whole new meaning to the term “pinhead.” Or maybe not. Maybe only someone with the limited mentality of a pinhead could truly get worked up about this crap.

I heard Fox “News” gave it a lot of coverage, naturally. :^/

Posted by: Adrienne at October 12, 2007 08:18 PM
Comment #236043

I feel like Obama…following 9/11 I displayed an alley of flags all along the front of my home…since then, the red, white, and blue no longer stands for togetherness in the spirit of democracy and Constitution…it has come to stand for nationalism of the worst sort…of the rich against the poor…of the grossest kind of greed, including sending other’s children to die in a war that will enrich the few and does not enhance the reputation of our own country… indeed it has led to the degradation of our government and our economy, especially our middle class and our poor.

I will most proudly fly our flag again when the USofA become a standard for Constitutional government, for a democracy that includes all its citizens, and a commitment to common good. Until then, I’m ashamed to fly my own flag…except maybe upside down.

Posted by: Rachel at October 13, 2007 11:59 AM
Comment #236047

Tho the pin issue may be stupid to some … except if he hadn’t made a big deal out of it himself … Barrack wouldn’t even be where he is in the race for President if he wasn’t black.

I have also noticed … alot of ppl have been using the word ‘articulate’ since Bush used it and not one has been bashed for it.

Posted by: Marie at October 13, 2007 12:53 PM
Comment #236051


It was Joe Biden who said Obama was “articulate”, not George Bush. I can’t even imagine Dubya using that word. He would say “fancy-talkin’” or maybe “purty-talkin’”. :)

Posted by: Woody Mena at October 13, 2007 02:48 PM
Comment #236059

Bush also said that Obama was articulate. Biden, if you can imagine, was also pleased with how clean that black guy is.

Posted by: andy at October 13, 2007 04:57 PM
Comment #236081


Really the fact that this has been allowed to be considered a news story at all gives a whole new meaning to the term “pinhead.”

No pun intended, right? :) Good one Adrienne!

Posted by: RickIL at October 14, 2007 09:35 AM
Comment #236082


Tho the pin issue may be stupid to some … except if he hadn’t made a big deal out of it himself … Barrack wouldn’t even be where he is in the race for President if he wasn’t black.

I fail to understand why Barack would not be where he is if he were not Black. It is sad that in todays age this sort of racial definition still exists. Do you think it may be possible that people simply like what he has to say and the way he presents himself? I would think that after seven years of Bush ruminations people would be more than ready for a leader of intellect with the ability to use it. Perhaps all this Obama articulation is a little mush to throw at us all at once. After all a “See Dick run” book would like pretty intellectually advanced compared to what we have become accustomed to hearing from our president.

Posted by: RickIL at October 14, 2007 09:56 AM
Comment #236086

‘I fail to understand why Barack would not be where he is if he were not Black. It is sad that in todays age this sort of racial definition still exists. Do you think it may be possible that people simply like what he has to say and the way he presents himself?’

My comment has NOTHING to do with Obama personally …. and EVERYTHING to do with our news media MAKING the news AND choosing our candidates for us.

‘The Dems have a woman and a black guy running .. What do the repubs have? The same old white guys we have always had ….’

Posted by: Marie at October 14, 2007 12:37 PM
Comment #236096


My comment has NOTHING to do with Obama personally …. and EVERYTHING to do with our news media MAKING the news AND choosing our candidates for us.

I am sorry Marie your post did not indicate this. You can not just assume that people will understand your intent. You need to be more specific. I do not agree that the media makes the news. They may choose what news to cover and what aspects. But they certainly do not make it. While they do have a lot and probably too much influence in determining who gets the nod, they also do not get to be the choosers. That goes to the people and is subject to a degree of voter preparedness. If the majority of voters rely on the biases of the media to make their determination then we can say that the media had a strong influence. But we can not blame the media because voters are too lazy to properly educate themselves prior to voting.

Posted by: RickIL at October 14, 2007 06:57 PM
Comment #236132

Islamic extremist hits the last twenty five years on US interest overseas and at home.
February 21: A bomb explodes in the rear of Swissair Flight 330, causing it to crash near Zürich, Switzerland, killing 38 passengers and all nine crew members. The attack was carried out by Palestinian terror group PFLP
May 8: Avivim school bus attacks by Palestinian PLO members, killing nine children and three adults and crippling 19 children.
September 1972 - Munich Olympic Massacre.
18 April 1983 - April 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing in Beirut, Lebanon. 63 killed.
26 February 1993 - World Trade Center bombing. 6 killed.
24 December 1994 - Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.
25 June 1996 - Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.
7 August 1998 - 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead. 4000+ injured.
11 September 2001 - September 11, 2001 attacks 4 planes hijacked and crashed into World Trade Center and The Pentagon by 19 hijackers. Nearly 3000 dead.[62]

13 December 2001 - Suicide attack on India’s parliament in New Delhi. Aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. Allegedly done by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations, Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba.
3 March 2002 - Suicide bomb attack on a Passover Seder in a Hotel in Netanya, Israel. 29 dead, 133 injured
9 March 2002 - Café suicide bombing in Jerusalem; 11 killed, 54 injured.
7 May 2002 - Bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.
24 September 2002 - Machine Gun attack on Hindu temple in Ahmedabad, India. 31 dead, 86 injured.[63][64]
12 October 2002 - Bombing in Bali nightclub. 202 killed, 300 injured.
16 May 2004 - Casablanca Attacks - 4 simultaneous attacks in Casablanca killing 33 civilians (mostly Moroccans) carried by Salafaia Jihadia.
11 March 2004 - Multiple bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured. (alleged link to Al-Qaeda)
3 September 2004 Approximately 344 civilians including 186 children, are killed during the Beslan school hostage crisis.[65][66]
4 February 2005 - Muslim militants attacked the Christian community in Demsa, Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people.
7 July 2005 - Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.
23 July 2005 - Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.
29 October 2005 - 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival.[67]
9 November 2005 - 2005 Amman bombings. Over 60 killed and 115 injured, in a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan.[68][69] Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.[70]
7 March 2006 - 2006 Varanasi bombings. An attack attributed to Lashkar-e-Toiba by Uttar Pradesh government officials, over 28 killed and over 100 injured, in a series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi.[71] Uttar Pradesh government officials.
1993 (Feb.): Bombing of World Trade Center (WTC); 6 killed.
1993 (Oct.): Killing of U.S. soldiers in Somalia.
1996 (June): Truck bombing at Khobar Towers barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killed 19 Americans.
1998 (Aug.): Bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania; 224 killed, including 12 Americans.
1999 (Dec.): Plot to bomb millennium celebrations in Seattle foiled when customs agents arrest an Algerian smuggling explosives into the U.S.
2000 (Oct.): Bombing of the USS Cole in port in Yemen; 17 U.S. sailors killed.
2001 (Sept.): Destruction of WTC; attack on Pentagon. Total dead 2,992.
2001 (Dec.): Man tried to denote shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
2002 (April): Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, including 11 German tourists.
2002 (May): Car exploded outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.
2002 (June): Bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
2002 (Oct.): Boat crashed into oil tanker off Yemen coast, killing 1.
2002 (Oct.): Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, killed 202, mostly Australian citizens.
2002 (Nov.): Suicide attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 16.
2003 (May): Suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2003 (May): 4 bombs killed 33 people targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.
2003 (Aug.): Suicide car-bomb killed 12, injured 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.
2003 (Nov.): Explosions rocked a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, housing compound, killing 17.
2003 (Nov.): Suicide car-bombers simultaneously attacked 2 synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds.
2003 (Nov.): Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 26.
2004 (March): 10 bombs on 4 trains exploded almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 191 and injuring more than 1,500.
2004 (May): Terrorists attacked Saudi oil company offices in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22.
2004 (June): Terrorists kidnapped and executed American Paul Johnson, Jr., in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2004 (Sept.): Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, killed 9.
2004 (Dec.): Terrorists entered the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing 9 (including 4 attackers).
2005 (July): Bombs exploded on 3 trains and a bus in London, England, killing 52.
2005 (Oct.): 22 killed by 3 suicide bombs in Bali, Indonesia.
2005 (Nov.): 57 killed at 3 American hotels in Amman, Jordan.
2006 (Jan.): Two suicide bombers carrying police badges blow themselves up near a celebration at the Police Academy in Baghdad, killing nearly 20 police officers. Al-Qaeda in Iraq takes responsibility.
2006 (Aug.): Police arrest 24 British-born Muslims, most of whom have ties to Pakistan, who had allegedly plotted to blow up as many as 10 planes using liquid explosives. Officials say details of the plan were similar to other schemes devised by al-Qaeda.
2007 (April): Suicide bombers attack a government building in Algeria’s capital, Algiers, killing 35 and wounding hundreds more. Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb claims responsibility.
2007 (April): Eight people, including two Iraqi legislators, die when a suicide bomber strikes inside the Parliament building in Baghdad. An organization that includes al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia claims responsibility. In another attack, the Sarafiya Bridge that spans the Tigris River is destroyed.
2007 (June): British police find car bombs in two vehicles in London. The attackers reportedly tried to detonate the bombs using cell phones but failed. Government officials say al-Qaeda is linked to the attempted attack. The following day, an SUV carrying bombs bursts into flames after it slams into an entrance to Glasgow Airport. Officials say the attacks are connected.

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