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Next Step to 9/11 Justice

Everyone thinks of terrorism and homeland security for lessons learned from 9/11. There is another opportunity. Make our government trustworthy and truthful.

The 9/11 truth movement is stronger than ever, though it is generally derided by politicians and ignored by the mainstream media. It is fueled by people passionate about alternative explanations to the official 9/11 story. Understandable, considering that the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission admitted: “We were set up to fail.”

In 2006 Time magazine said: “The population of [the 9/11 truth movement] is larger than you might think. A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it ‘very likely’ or ‘somewhat likely’ that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.”

A 2006 Zogby International poll found that 42% of Americans more likely agree with people who believe that “the US government and its 9/11 Commission concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts their official explanation of the September 11th attacks, saying there has been a cover-up.”

This year Zogby found that 31 perecent of likely voters do not buy the official 9/11 story [72 percent for ages 18 to 24 and nearly 60 percent for Hispanics and singles]; 51 percent still await a congressional investigation of Bush's and Cheney's actions before, during and after the 9/11 attacks [88 percent for ages 18 to 24 and 77 percent for Hispanics and singles]; and 67% fault the 9/11 Commission for not investigating the anomalous and still unexplained collapse of World Trade Center building 7.

So, six years later, a large fraction of Americans question the government’s official 9/11 story. Countless groups and websites sustain the 9/11 truth movement with many conferences held nationwide. There have been several best-selling books and many well known political, military, law enforcement and academic persons publicly support alternative theories of 9/11 and/or the need for a new investigation. Yet being a 9/11 truth seeker exposes one to ridicule as a conspiracy nut by those brainwashed by establishment propaganda and lies, or afraid to face the painful truth, or too lazy to think for themselves.

Writing recently in the Guardian, Peter Tatchell made important points: “The 9/11 Commission was hamstrung by official obstruction. It never managed to ascertain the whole truth of what happened on September 11 2001. …What happened on 9/11 is fundamentally important in its own right. But equally important is the way the 9/11 cover-up signifies an absence of democratic, transparent and accountable government. Establishing the truth is, in part, about restoring honesty, trust and confidence in American politics.”

In other words, the truth movement has set the stage for taking their passion to a higher political level that even more Americans can support – government reform.

Specifically, waiting is a reform mechanism as old as the Constitution itself. Few Americans realize they have a constitutional right to a national convention of state delegates that can propose constitutional amendments. Once convened, delegates can debate and propose amendments without government review, but like amendments proposed by Congress, still must meet the tough ratification requirements of Article V. Though all 50 states have applied for a convention, well in excess of the 34 required by the Constitution, Congress has refused to call one. The nonpartisan Friends of the Article V Convention works to get the nation’s first Article V convention.

The Framers of our Constitution created the convention option because they feared one dark day the public would lose confidence in the federal government. With record-low approval of Congress – just 11 percent - and so little truth about 9/11, that day has crashed our democracy. Unsurprisingly, just like a new 9/11 investigation, Congress fears what may come out of an Article V convention. The truth is not politically popular.

The nexus between the 9/11 truth movement and the Article V convention effort is this: When a sizable fraction of the population wants a more comprehensive and credible government investigation into a matter of great public concern, but Congress and the Executive Branch refuse, a new legal mechanism is needed. Considering how the Bush administration used 9/11 to start the insane Iraq war, the public has profoundly good reasons for a new option for obtaining trustworthy information. Surely there will be other events and issues in the future that raise the same need for reliable analysis and conclusions independent of the usual web of government circles and tricks.

A new constitutional amendment can establish a framework for citizens to petition and seek “redress” from their federal government without going through elected representatives adept at ignoring them. Here is a possible approach. The highly respected and independent General Accountability Office could be given constitutional responsibility for collecting citizen petitions for investigations. If a threshold number is reached, then GAO would conduct a nonpartisan investigation using its staff and any other persons deemed necessary. This would be a taste of direct democracy, akin to a national referendum. The threshold might be one million citizen requests, with at least 10,000 coming from each of at least two-thirds of the states.

The intense 9/11 truth movement has a historic opportunity to seek a permanent means to counter bipartisan government intransigence and untrustworthiness that now is the rule, not the exception.

I urge 9/11 truth seekers to join Friends of the Article V Convention, recognizing that Congress’ refusal to re-investigate 9/11 is matched by its refusal to permit an Article V convention. Our common goal is to compel the federal government to be accountable to the Constitution, federal law and the people. 9/11 truth seekers must become government reform seekers to achieve their objectives through smart political strategy.

Other political strategies also merit support, notably the current effort in New York City to obtain a ballot initiative to establish a new independent commission and investigation.

Consider what Mark Twain wisely observed: “In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.” Our patriotic crusade for 9/11 truth and systemic government reform is still at the first stage. Courage is needed to persevere. Truth does not come easy.

Posted by Joel S. Hirschhorn at September 23, 2007 11:48 AM
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Nothing new here.

Posted by: womanmarine at September 23, 2007 1:03 PM
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Joel you never answered questions that were posed to you in the last thread under your article on the topic of 9/11 and the Truth Movement. So, why should anyone respond to this article when you yourself chose to ignore that last thread?

You wrote:

being a 9/11 truth seeker exposes one to ridicule as a conspiracy nut by those brainwashed by establishment propaganda and lies, or afraid to face the painful truth, or too lazy to think for themselves.

I agree, yet I also think that as someone with expertise that pertains directly to this subject, you open yourself up to entirely valid ridicule and criticism if you merely post grand declarations without being willing to answer any questions that people have.

Posted by: Adrienne at September 23, 2007 1:58 PM
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I met a guy who thought the moon landing was staged. He said that since the world was flat the moon was merely a shinny object ON the dome of sky.

I understand that there are always people who believe such things. Truth is almost alway less fun than the conspiracies. Beyond that, the conspiracy theorists can feel smarter than others. It is probably a feeling they rarely experience in other parts of their lives.

Posted by: Jack at September 23, 2007 4:19 PM
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Jack: Haha great line. I bet the guy just saw a documentary that was on Fox about 6 years or so ago about the moon landing and was convinced off that one documentary

Posted by: Richard Rhodes at September 23, 2007 4:39 PM
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And just in case this thread goes that way, the claims the Fox show made about the moon hoax have been thoroughly debunked.

Posted by: LawnBoy at September 23, 2007 5:55 PM
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Joel, to me it seemed almost incredible that such a massive and shocking attack could take place without leaks occurring. And yet the 9/11 attacks were just so damn convenient for the neo con agenda. They had even allowed that such an attack would be necessary for their plans for a new American century to be activated.

We cannot disbelieve the evidence of our eyes that two jets did strike the WTC on 9/11. However, on reflection, it has often occurred to me that Bin Laden is a creature of the CIA fror Afghanistan days. What if he is a tool of the CIA, stirring it up so as to seem to justify US pillage and rapine around the world? fantastic? Maybe, but what has happened in the US since 9/11 and as a direct conseuence of it, has shattered any illusion of US democracy outside the US. Around the world, people believe that the fascists have taken over the US.

It seems clear enough to me that the US government has been bought by the lobbyists, and no longer serves the cause of democracy. Look at all of the wall st people who routinely serve in various administrations. Look at how the Fed has sought to bail out wall st, at the expense of everyone else through inflationary policies and a rapidly devaluing dollar, which the rest of the world is increasingly dumping. This crisis is far from over and will run and run. Anyone seen Mike Rupperts “Truth and Lies of 9/11? There’s a lot going on thats corrupt and evil, and I’m not referring to Iran, Iraq and North Korea. There is a much more powerful and sinister evil empire, and it masquerades as the champion of freedom and democracy.

Posted by: Paul in Euroland at September 23, 2007 9:31 PM
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Many of my thoughts exactly. There is too much about 9/11 that seemed to fall rather too neatly into the Neocon’s long held plans (which are no secret, despite the insane level of secrecy of this administration, and their glaringly obvious level of incompetence). When they followed up that horrific terrorist attack by doing everything they could to block and thwart all investigations into what had occurred in an outrageously incurious manner as if though wasn’t even important, it furthered the suspicions that many American’s like myself had, and still have. Many of us are waiting for answers. And often to questions that have never offically been asked. A new and totally comprehensive independent investigation is the only way a great many of us believe we’re ever likely to get those questions asked, or answered.

Btw, great post, and it’s so nice to see you posting here again. I have long been grateful for your (and Phillipe’s) continuing presence here in this blog. I feel that American’s benefit greatly by the differing perspective that Europeans like you two take the time to share with us from across the Pond. Go raibh maith agat. Very much appreciated, sir!

Posted by: Adrienne at September 23, 2007 10:27 PM
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Paul, the willingness to entertain the idea that the US might have been behind 9-11 and the notion that the US is engaged in “pillage and rapine around the world” are a product of exactly the same mind set.

It’s similar to the reason that many of the same people who believe that Elvis is still alive also believe in alien abductions.

While I realize that the governments of most of the world—in Europe, Africa, Asia, and South America—are completely free of the influence of anyone who either wealthy, corrupt, or pursuing personal agendas, it’s our great misfortune in America that we not only have such influences at work in our government, but point them out and criticize them wherever we detect them.

I can only imagine how disconcerting this must be to watch from foreign lands, such as those in of Europe and the Middle East, where the rulers truly are angels, and the populations consist of nothing but noble altruists.

Posted by: Loyal Opposition at September 23, 2007 11:05 PM
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Thanks Adrienne, I have spent very little time on this site for some time now, as I have come to feel its little more than a screaming tower of babel; everyone talking and no one listening.

LO, those who believe that Elvis is still alive do so contrary to all of the evidence, so they are clearly irrational. By contrast, the evidence of US pillage and rapine around the world is all to obvious to any marginally astute observer. You have destroyed Iraq and beggared its proud people and been responsible for numbers of deaths there that would have made Saddam blush. Even Greenspan admits it was about oil, not freedom and democracy.

As to your comments about other governments around the world? Get real. They don’t pose as the great champions of humanity, and they also are not as completely in the hands of the moneychangers in the temple as in the US. And furthermore, in Europe at least, there are no leaders who receive the kool aid induced sieg heil to the chief as in your country. There are many problems in Europe as an entity and in the constituent countries of the EU. Nevertheless, as the French and Dutch showed, the people are not puppets in the hands of the elites. And we don’t have this incessant debate about providing for the healthcare of our peoples. It’s a given that as civilised societies, we have an obligation to ensure that those who are at their weakest are not left to the not so tender mercies of the marketplace.

Any society for whom the pursuit of profit is it’s only guiding principle, has long since slipped into bankruptcy. As my fellow countryman, Wilde once said, “America is the first country to have gone from barbarism to decadence without the usual intervening period of civilization.”

To conclude, Europe is far from perfect. As to the rulers in the middle east? Well, you should know. It is and was the US, along with their British handmaidens, who largely created these regimes and supported and continues to support them, so as to maintain US hegemony over the people and resources of the mid east. In a part of the world where the US was particularly admired and respected especially after WW11, you are now universally hated as a country. It’s not your freedom they hate, it’s your greed, stupidity and evil they hate. What do you expect from Iran, a country whose democratically elected leader you, along with your British lapdogs, overthrew are replaced with the despotic Shah and his CIA trained secret police, Savak? Isn’t it what the intel community calls blowback?

Posted by: Paul in Euroland at September 24, 2007 5:15 AM
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PS, Adrienne, na h’abair e!

Posted by: Paul in Euroland at September 24, 2007 5:19 AM
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Even if the conspiracy theories about the Neocons and their Israeli counterparts is totally true, I would still blame We the People just as much as the Neocons. We have allowed ourselves to be bribed and brainwashed by the capitalists. We work for and greedily consume the products of our corporations without guestioning where the resources come from or how those resources are obtained.

We have ignored the consequences of allowing our corporations in unison with our government to install and support depotism in more than one country for the purpose of creating a good business climate for our corporations. We have ignored the plight of the peoples of those countries or we blame the American backed despots without considering the part that all of us have played in that suffering.

Every since the establishment of OPEC, it has been in our best interest to end our dependence on oil. Since then, the price of oil has gone from 2 dollars per barrel to 83 dollars per barrel and the oil companies have gleefully passed the cost on to us.

Because of our self imposed ignorance (we can’t blame the capitalist, the truth was there for all who wished to see) we have now reached the point where our treasure and our soldiers must be sacrificed and we have to commit mass murder for the sake of our economy and large corporate profits.

So just continue your self imposed ignorance America and don’t worry, be happy and go shopping. Your government is willing to kill millions if necessary so you can remain happy. Just tell your government that it is ok by you if it nukes Iran, but tell it to be careful and not nuke the oil. Frying the people of Iran is ok as long as the oil is safe for World consumption. Watch Fox News. It will help you rationalize your ignorance. Better yet, watch NASCAR.

Posted by: jlw at September 24, 2007 10:49 AM
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OK, here we go.

*putting on tin foil hat*

Yes, yes…I see it now…

The Mafia, the military/industrial complex, the CIA and Fidel Castro killed JFK!
Not only that…but The Warren Commission willfully and knowingly covered it up!

We didn’t walk on the moon! It was cleverly faked on a movie set in Hollywood and Arizona!

The Republicans convinced the Ayatolla Khomeni to kidnap 50 Americans so they could prove what an idiot Carter was so Regan would be elected in 1980!

The Bush Administration had the World Trade Center filled with C4 and precisely timed the crashes to two airplanes and killed 3,000 people for no other reason than as a pretext to go to war with Iraq.

Yes…yes…let’s spend tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars to confirm what we already know! Then, all the people who already believe that BushCo planned 9/11 can ignore all the evidence and believe what they want to anyway!

*takes off tin foil hat*

Puh-leeeeeez, people. Let’s get back to the REAL world, OK?

As far as 9/11 is concerned, it would take a tactical GENIUS to pull this off. It would take a public relations GENIUS to pull this off. It would take a foreign relations GENIUS to pull this off.

Knowing this, just ask yourselves how many times you have called Bush an ignorant, incompetent BOOB. Do you ACTUALLY think Bush has the intelligence to orchestrate 9/11? Are you actually ready to say, “God, George W. Bush, you are a REAL GENIUS”? Are you?

Case closed.

Posted by: Jim T at September 24, 2007 11:58 AM
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Whether or not there was a 11-SEP-2001 conspiracy or not, there are serious problems in this nation.

  • If it was a conspiracy (which I personally think is unlikely), it would be one of the most despicable crimes ever perpetrated.

  • If it was not a conspiracy, then the federal government was still extremely negligent; possibly criminally negligent.
  • Take your pick.

    You would think half a trillion bilked from tax payers annually for National Defense could help to connect the dots.
    Instead, we are not even able to keep planes from flying into our buildings, including the Pentagon, despite many warnings. Yes, people had predicted exactly what happened.

    Either way, our freedom, laws, and foundations are at risk.

    Even if the conspiracy theories about the Neocons and their Israeli counterparts is totally true, I would still blame We the People just as much as the Neocons. We have allowed ourselves to be bribed and brainwashed by the capitalists. We work for and greedily consume the products of our corporations without guestioning where the resources come from or how those resources are obtained.
    Yes, something if very fundamentally wrong.

    We have met the enemy, and it is us.
    What we are doing to ourselves reads like a book titled “How as a Nation to Commit Suicide - For Dummies”.

    There are many problems in Europe as an entity and in the constituent countries of the EU. Nevertheless, as the French and Dutch showed, the people are not puppets in the hands of the elites.
    True. There are too many (not all) that abuse wealth and power to control and influence government, and inflict numerous REGRESSIVE systems onto the unwitting (but complicit) voters, increasing the disparity (a trend since the 1970s). Such as:
    • [01] the ridiculous federal tax system which is effectively REGRESSIVE
    • ,
    • [02] inflation is like a REGRESSIVE tax, since the poor are limited in ways of preserving wealth with property, gold, stocks, homes, etc.; the mismanaged money system creates inflation; predatory interest rates and lending practices (raising ARMs from 6% to 14%); and the Fed gets to earn interest on money created out of thin air; how did this ever come about?
    • [03] dozens and dozens of REGRESSIVE sales taxes (city, state, county sales taxes, fuel taxes, telephone excise taxes and fees, etc.)
    • [04] some think corporate income taxes are good for the people, but they are more like hidden REGRESSIVE taxes passed on to consumers; the owners of corporations didn’t cut their salaries; they increased them drastically insteaed.?
    • [05] property taxes in many cases are REGRESSIVE, since like sales taxes, as income decreases, the property tax as a percentage of income increases.
    • [06] caps on Social Security taxes is a REGRESSIVE tax.
    • [07] illegal immigration is like a REGRESSIVE tax, causing job displacement and many costs are shifted to tax payers that already pay REGRESSIVE sales taxes and REGRESSIVE income taxes for the burdened social servcies.
    It’s a given that as civilised societies, we have an obligation to ensure that those who are at their weakest are not left to the not so tender mercies of the marketplace. Any society for whom the pursuit of profit is it’s only guiding principle, has long since slipped into bankruptcy.
    With so many regressive systems, that you speak of is becoming increasingly difficult.

    Especially when too many of us are selling out each other, and here is a perfect example of it.

    As my fellow countryman, Wilde once said, “America is the first country to have gone from barbarism to decadence without the usual intervening period of civilization.”
    Maybe. Decadence? Perhaps if obesity is any indication. Have you seen a 5th grade classroom these days? And 20% of them can’t even identify the United States on a world map.

    Something is definitely wrong.
    We now have two or more workers per household, but household income did not increase much.
    Perhaps that has had a negative impact (with both parents working)?
    People are in debt up to their eyeballs ($20 Trillion nationwide personal debt).
    How can everyone that does the work be in debt to banks?
    Why do the banks get to create new money (89% of each new bank loan) and then also get the interest from loans from money created from thin air?
    1% of the wealthiest that had 20% of all wealth in 1980 now have 40% of all wealth.
    80% of the U.S. population only has 17% of all wealth.
    $12.8 Trillion borrowed from Social Security, and spent, will be heaped onto future generations.
    Our politicians and pit Americans and illegal aliens against each other (for profit and potential votes once they pass the next amnesty).

    But we can not blame all of it on the wealthy elite and our politicians.
    Not in a voting nation.
    Not while voters still have the right to vote.
    Not when 40% to 50% of voters don’t bother to vote.
    Not when most voters don’t even know who their Congress persons are, much less their voting records.
    Not when too many voters repeatedly reward those incumbent politicians with a 90% to 95% re-election rate.

    Posted by: d.a.n at September 24, 2007 12:01 PM
    Comment #234154

    There are still a LOT of questions regarding the 9/11 attack that are unanswered to anyone with common sense…why no immediate scramble by the military? why Bush calmly reading a book when he knows the country is under attack? why the discepancy of the time clock in the school in Bush’s wiating area??

    If these, and other questions, can be explained, perhaps there would be few who would still believe 9/11 was either staged or abetted by the President or his toadies (esp. Cheney & Rummy).

    Posted by: Rachel at September 24, 2007 12:44 PM
    Comment #234161

    Rachel, either way, the federal government is either despicable, and/or negligent, and/or incompetent, and/or irresponsible.

    So why, still, do too many voters repeatedly reward incumbent politicians with a 90% to 95% re-election rate?
    Congress approval ratings were very low before the last election of 7-Nov-2006, but 90% of incumbent politicians were still elected.
    Now Congress’ approval ratings are as low as 11%.
    But watch closely come Nov-2008.
    I’ll bet 90% of Congress persons are still elected.
    Why? Because voters simply vote for the candidate (usually the incumbent) that spends the most money (90% of the time).
    Voters care more about winning seats for THEIR party.
    Most voters don’t even know what Article V is, much less that Congress is violating it despite 567 requests for amendments by the state legislatures of all 50 states.

    When enough voters care enough (i.e. of the 50% to 60% that even bother to vote at all), they might finally stop rewarding irresposible, bought-and-paid-for, incompetent, corrupt, do-nothing incumbent politicians that allow the nation’s serious problems to grow dangerously in number and severity.

    Posted by: d.a.n at September 24, 2007 2:29 PM
    Comment #234207


    All the intelligent questions have been answered. There will always be the flat earthers who can think of more.

    Believe what you want, but you would be wise not to act on those sorts of beliefs.

    Re the military scambling, F16s were flying above DC a short time after the attacks. I saw them. The problem is that our military is meant to defend against outside enemies. We have suffered no such attacks since Pearl Harbor and no attacks no significant foreign attacks on the American mainland since 1814. If you feel it wise to put high alert military units in every American village and town, you need to vote for a really, really big military budget.

    Posted by: Jack at September 24, 2007 10:11 PM
    Comment #234218

    As I understand it, fighter planes were ordered scrambled within a minute (and perhaps even a few seconds before) the first plane hit the WTC. Also, we know that two F-15s out of Otis Air Force Base were pursuing the second plane and were still several minutes away when it struck the WTC. At that point, fighters were in the air, but the situation was murky and nobody know how many, where, and which planes were hijacked.

    After that, we know that Dick Cheney had given a shoot-down order for the final plane that ended up crashing in Pennsylvania, and that if weren’t for the heroic efforts of the passengers on board, that plane would probably have been shot down by before it reached Washington.

    Totally apart from what happened on 9-11, what amazes me is that many of the same people who don’t go so far as to allege that it was a government conspiracy but think that the government was negligent in not uncovering and preventing it, are the ones who want to put up legal roadblocks to monitoring terrorist plots and activities today.

    Posted by: Loyal Opposition at September 24, 2007 11:16 PM
    Comment #234240

    I’m not sure most people are opposed to monitoring terrorist plots and activities. I think most simply want it done with civil oversight in a fashion that does not impede national security.

    Posted by: d.a.n at September 25, 2007 2:24 AM
    Comment #234367

    Interesting Rawstory article:
    Author: Bush nominee helped mask FBI’s pre-9/11 failures and kept al Qaeda’s infiltration of US intelligence from view

    Posted by: Adrienne at September 25, 2007 9:54 PM
    Comment #234374

    Joel, this link- The nonpartisan Friends of the Article V Convention works to get the nation’s first Article V convention.- Did not work above so I have reset it here. Hope it works.

    Of course, an Article V convention is like an invitation to a free-for-all. I don’t have many politically savvy friends who don’t go white with fear at the thought of actually having one. That means the threat of one may be a powerful incentive.

    Posted by: Lee Jamison at September 25, 2007 10:33 PM
    Comment #234376


    How was Bush so smart in the first six months in office if you guys think he was so dumb ever since?

    Posted by: Lee Jamison at September 25, 2007 10:36 PM
    Comment #235481

    Lee, Thanks for correcting that link.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 6, 2007 8:33 PM
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