July 09, 2007
Congress Abdicating Responsibility
When the so called “Immigration Bill” died on the Senate floor last week, as it should have according to polls, Congress threw up their hands and literally abdicated responsibility for fixing the problem. It is as if Congress is saying to the American public, “OK, you didn’t like what we tried to shove your way, now live with nothing being done about border security or illegal immigration. We will show you.” This is not acceptable.
In a Politico article, entitled Immigration Bill loses, falls on the Floor, the following text appears:
Those who worked on the comprehensive measure were pessimistic about the chances of resurrecting it, saying a busy legislative calendar and election-year politics would likely push the issue to the next administration and Congress.This is simply not acceptable. The American people should not be told by this Congress that they must accept illegal immigration and the absence of border security to continue for another year and a half because they would not accept the amnesty proposal built by the wealthy special interests pulling Congress person's strings.
This message Congress is sending the people has the ring of a President Bush refrain: 'My way or the highway". It is not acceptable. Our congress persons were elected to represent US, the people, and for intents and purposes, our Congress persons are saying if you don't like the legislation that favors our wealthy special interests, see how you like no legislation at all? The American people by a vast majority demand that our borders be secured against both our enemies and illegal immigrants. But, if the Congress is to take notice of voters' intolerance, voters will have to slap in them in the face in November 2008 with a vote for a challenger, effectively voting out these incumbents who are now slapping the people in the face.
Sen. Ben Nelson (D), who opposed the 'Amnesty Bill', has accurately depicted why public pressure on defeating the bill was so overwhelming when he said: "“They got the premise backwards.” They started with amnesty, as opposed to border security, first. It’s a two-step process, you got to get the border secured, you got to get border enforcement in place, got to solve the problem of illegal immigration before you solve the problem of legal immigration.”
Those who so fervently opposed the amnesty bill, now have before them the task of lobbying their Congress persons for an immediate new bill to secure our borders. If voters now rest on the laurels of defeating the amnesty bill, they will have to also accept no action whatsoever to solve the problems associated with the absence of border security. And those problems are many and growing all across this country. Act now, call your representatives and demand a new bill to secure our borders and insist the bill be a one issue, one topic bill, border security or voting for the incumbent will not be an option.
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Posted by David R. Remer at July 9, 2007 05:46 PMDavid,
I have to totally agree with you. Scary huh!
But here is my problem with Illegal immigration.
I have had the opportunity to ware out my US Passport. I have some good friends in many countries of the world. I have met many, many, many people in places a lot worse off than Mexico who would love to immigrate to the US legally. They want to come here legally and participate in our society.
They have a hard time. Why, partially a broken system.
The main reason. We have 12,000,000 people who just rudely jumped ahead of them in line and just jumped the gate.
It is not fair!
Posted by: scottie1321 at July 9, 2007 07:16 PMThats like going to Sizzler, (Yummy) paying for your food, and all of a sudden a bunch of kids run in from off the street, jump ahead of you and eat all the food at the food bar before you can even get a bite!
Not fair!
Secure the border.
Make the businesses follow the law. If a man cannot get a job until he gets back in line and does it right, he will most likely go back home and get in line.
Then make a way to legalize those who are left who really deserve to “jump to the front of the line.”
(like my brother-in-law who is married to my sister and helped make the two most beautiful nieces in the world. Although I have no problem telling him to go get in the fast track line back on the other side of the border and do the right thing.)
Posted by: scottie1321 at July 9, 2007 07:25 PMDavid,
For once we agree. It is not the responsibility of the President to allocate new funds for a tighter border patrol increase, or a new wall. He is not even obligated to suggest it, though it would be a good idea. Now, the responsibility lies solely on Congress to come up with a new bill, but the people will not get what they want. The Democrats will not even allow another bill from the Republicans who opposed “this bill” to even see a little light at the end of the comittee tunnel.
But, Democrats need not worry. Their constituents will not turn on them for doing nothing. Liberal Republicans on the other hand, will lose handily. Republicans can bring up immigration bills until they are red in the face, but it will not get the least publicity or support for the next year and a half. Most of the Presidential candidates will not have to talk about it, because Democrats will not let the issue even be discussed in Congress. Already, the Dems on the Blue side are blaming Republicans for killing an immigration bill which they say would have helped the problem.
1. Democrats are in charge
2. A lousy immigration bill goes through Congress
3. The bill gets killed by a people’s uprising and a Republican opposition to it.
4. The Democrats blame the Republicans for keeping the people from having immigration reform.
5. The Democrats will keep reminding people how the Republicans did not want immigration reform and killed it, the Press will echo their sentiments until election 2008, while Democrats prevent any new legislation on the matter.
6. After a year and a half of this political strategy, the people will forget how bad the legislation was, and after the continuous barrage of blame by the Democrats and the Press, Republicans will be demonized on the immigration issue.
Typical liberal politics David. Why should anyone be surprised?
JD
David,
While I understand Congress being stalled over the War in Iraq, there really is no excuse to remain stalled on so many other issues. Immigration is certainly one of those.
We are witnessing anarchism and vigilantism due to the failure of our Federal government to secure our borders. The problems will only get worse until our government does at the very least properly secure our borders and ports!
We’re building up to America’s third holocaust unless we get a handle on the illegal immigrant problem. And, I’m not advocating that we just open the doors to everyone. Securing the borders and the ports should be a number one priority but we MUST get more concerned about the welfare of our southern neighbors! Not just Mexico, but all of Southern America!
I watched GW try to talk about this today and it was downright painful. GW always speaks like he’s talking to a grade school class. We must accept some responsibility for our neighbors. If we don’t we’ll end up with more Hugo Chavez’s!
And this is only the third grade version of the problem!
Posted by: KansasDem at July 9, 2007 09:27 PMOk Kansas, David and I are in agreement!
Watch for the sky to fall!
Posted by: scottie1321 at July 9, 2007 10:37 PMAn interesting side note: I heard on the news the other day that border patrol agents are being “encouraged to volunteer to go to Iraq for border security”. Supposedly to train Iraqis. Is anyone, anywhere paying freaking attention? We can’t secure our own, we don’t need to send our border patrol agents to Iraq.
Posted by: womanmarine at July 9, 2007 11:31 PMBTW: if Senator Nelson opposed the bill, where is his new bill? Or, for that matter, the bill of anyone who opposed this bill?
I haven’t given up, my representatives and senators hear from me regularly. Not that it does much good, but I’m exercising my right as a citizen!!
Posted by: womanmarine at July 9, 2007 11:32 PMJD, the president may not be responsible for proposing or passing bills that fund border enforcement, but he has a lot of latitude in how he prioritizes the spending of money he already controls.
The fact is that Bush does not enforce immigration laws because he does not WANT to, and his indifference to immigration laws are underscored by his support of the amnesty bill.
Posted by: Loyal Opposition at July 9, 2007 11:36 PM“border patrol agents are being “encouraged to volunteer to go to Iraq for border security””
woman marine,
I hope you’re wrong! At this point nothing really surprises me.
Posted by: KansasDem at July 9, 2007 11:51 PMI don’t know if just a slap in the face will do the trick David. A well placed boot might thought.
It’s just to bad that only a third of the Senate is up for reelection at a time. We need to replace everyone up there in DC that holds an elected office at the same time. And while doing it we need to give both major parties the well placed boot.
It is refreshing thought to see that the voters waking up to the shenanigans Congress and the President are pulling though. And it’s encouraging to see them starting to get angry over it all.
I believe we’re seeing the beginning of a revolution. And it’s going to take place at the poles for the next several elections.
womanmarine
I haven’t given up, my representatives and senators hear from me regularly. Not that it does much good, but I’m exercising my right as a citizen!!
Good for ya! Keep on bugging them. And if more folks start doing it maybe they just might start listening to their employers (us) and not the special interest that’s been buying them off for all these years.
I don’t think that any of the Senators that opposed the bill had any intentions of voting against it until the voters got up in arms about it. Then they had to do something and didn’t have time to come up with another bill. And they most likely don’t have any intentions of coming up with one.
David,
Good way of stating what is needed to be done by “We the People” as Congress trys to build a bride between the Left & Right of Society on this issue. However, if they are going to do more than talk about it than somebody of importance needs to explain that like “Good Parents” the Bill must carry the Knowledge and Wisdom of the Ages. Therefore, let me begin by saying that since Border Security is number one among “We the People” than should not “The Bill” contain a clause that would change the Law from a mister-meaner to at least a Class A Felony. Personally, I like changing the Law to an Act of Tression; however, that is probably extreme.
Nevertheless, seeing that something needs to be done to send a clear message that America’s INS is not a joke we should instruct Congress to do a Comprehensive Immigration Bill that will rock the Foundation of Washington.
Posted by: Henry Schlatman at July 10, 2007 12:04 AMKansas Dem:
Just one link on a google search:
One link, there were a couple more
I googled “border patrol agents to iraq”. I’m sure there’s a better phrase, it’s late and I’m tired and disgusted.
I also see that the Army is failing it’s recruiting numbers for the second month in a row. They claim it’s because the “supporters” i.e parents, etc, aren’t being encouraging enough.
Posted by: womanmarine at July 10, 2007 12:17 AMWomanmarine, said: “They claim it’s because the ‘supporters’ i.e parents, etc, aren’t being encouraging enough.”
Now that’s rich isn’t it? Since when is the military permitted under our Constitution to chastise the civilian population for lack of support. Lest our military forget, under our Constitution, they answer to the consent of the civilian population which controls the election of the CIC, NOT the other way around.
The ultimate power over the Iraq war continuing lies with the parents. When our parents stop allowing their children to become fodder for Iraqi’s internal disputes, and our children themselves realize their parent’s wisdom, the war will end because there are no replacements for those already there being lost to attrition.
Lysistrata, in disguise. Damn them ancient Greeks were way ahead of their time, and ours, on somethings. The act of saying the populace, which no longer has faith in continuing our involvement in the Iraq Civil War, is responsible for the lack of recruitments, is, well, damned logical and rational and correct. To imply blame to the parents, is the height of hubris and failure to acknowledge who works for whom.
The military works for and is employed by the civilian population, and thank Buddha, our founding fathers saw the wisdom of not making it the other way around. In fact, they feared having it the other way around, as did Dwight D. Eisenhower, and for enormously great and tantamount reasons.
Posted by: David R. Remer at July 10, 2007 01:09 AMScottie, you are right. It is not fair. But, there is much more wrong with that amnesty bill than simple fairness. As Sen. Nelson pointed out so adroitly, that bill put the cart before the horse. And any country bumpkin knows that is not how you get down the road to your destination.
Posted by: David R. Remer at July 10, 2007 01:11 AMJD, couldn’t agree with you more on how Democrats are trying to play the politics of the issue. They are and will continue to pay a price for this hubris however, and that’s where we disagree. They aren’t going to get away with this. I know this because they are losing registered Democrats to Independent voter status, just like Republicans have been.
Some have called in on talk shows saying that because of this amnesty bill, they can’t remain loyal Democrats any longer. I say, good for them. About time they woke up and smelled the stench of the duopoly party coffee that puts wealthy special interests or political power ahead of the needs and demands of the American people and the nation’s future for our children.
There is no question, the Democrats in Congress, most of them, were working for increasing their party rolls by granting amnesty to illegal immigrants, which Democrats believe 7 out of 10 will become Democratic voters. That is putting political power ahead of the current voter’s needs, demands, and future of our country.
American voters, legal citizens, will not forget this selling out of American voters today, for the hope of increasing the numbers of Democratic voters in the future by granting amnesty to lawbreakers from foreign lands.
It was the lowest form of politics, and if Democrats don’t climb on the border security bandwagon before the 2008 elections with legislation, there act of breaking faith with the American voters for the sake of foreign to be voters, will carry a price in the growth of Independent voters, who now constitute a greater percentage as a class of voters than either Democratic or Republican voters.
Posted by: David R. Remer at July 10, 2007 01:25 AMHenry, thanks for the comment. But, as Sen. Ben Nelson pointed out, the American people want the borders secured first. Then, they will be happy to discuss immigration reform. Comprehensive won’t cut it. Comprehensive means tackling immigration and border security at the same time from the same pool of dollars. That makes no sense, since there can be no effective halt to the illegal immigration or, immigration of terrorists, UNTIL the borders are first secured. With unsecured borders, any new laws regarding illegal immigrants will be a mock attempt at solving the problem. Not a real attempt.
Posted by: David R. Remer at July 10, 2007 01:31 AMKansas Dem said: “Securing the borders and the ports should be a number one priority but we MUST get more concerned about the welfare of our southern neighbors! Not just Mexico, but all of Southern America!”
Borders first, yes. But, we have a real problem in trying to upgrade the welfare of our southern neighbors, Kansas Dem. The problem is doing so will cost billions. Billions which are needed desperately for American obligations coming due, like Social Security, Medicare, Black Americans dying without insurance or medical care in the Mississippi Delta, or failing bridge, tunnel, and highway infrastructure, 47 million uninsured Americans, more, not less police on American streets, a huge infusion of competitive pay for American school teachers and education facilities and infrastructure, etc.
We are now facing a 10 Trillion Dollar National Debt by 2012. The opportunity cost of that debt in annual interest payments is now estimated to be in the 750 to 800 billion dollars per year range by 2012. America must buy back a big chunk of that interest expense if it is to afford its own citizens welfare investment, let alone the welfare of our Southern Neighbors.
And let us not forget the 750 billion dollars leaving the United States each year in trade deficits to shore up foreign economies, and lost annually to our own economy. This bleeding of America’s economic vitality and strength cannot continue of America and its great middle class are to continue.
We must not forget that the appearance of being OK today in America, is propped up by enormous debt, personal, national, and trade. The creditors will come calling within the next couple decades. And one way or another, Americans will have to pay for their great middle class image of today, which they are having to float on credit.
And in the grand scheme of western Hemisphere economics, when Americans are the one’s in need, turning to our Southern Neighbors for assistance just isn’t in the economic cards or numbers.
Posted by: David R. Remer at July 10, 2007 01:48 AMDavid,
Why I am not sure how one actually goes about it, you would think that someone of the Left and Right of this issue would be able to make a dollar off securing our borders. For why I am certain that by changing the Law to where a Person could find themselves spending the rest of their life in prison would stop many, finding a way to hook up those Companies in America that need the Temporary Workers should send every Man and Woman with a MBA racing to develop a Comprehensive Plan. For what can be more profitable than getting paid by all sides of society for fixing their problem?
Henry, quite right. After the borders are secured. Until then, the millions just keep on coming and all other solutions are moot.
Posted by: David R. Remer at July 10, 2007 02:20 AMI find myself in disbelief. I think in the last two years of occassionally visiting this blog, I have never seen so genuine and true an article as yours David.
I forget where I read the reference but it was from over 200 years ago, and it regarded the guaranteed destruction of any democracy. (I believe we are in the final stages of ours)
There were seven stages:
1. From bondage to faith
2. From faith to courage
3. From courage to liberty
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage
Our country has long been dependant on the government dime, and most are apathetic to the inevitability of things getting worse.
The entire piece was predicated on the notion that a democracy finally disintegrates when powerful people realize that they can influence enough votes to grant themselves vast monies from the public treasury.
For crying out loud, I live in Alaska, and in the pay-for-everything rural native villages up here, the government buys them homes, gives them vouchers for free food, buys their heat, gives them a welfare check for spending money, spends $26,000 per student on education, and is having a hard time solving the substance abuse epidemic in the villages. The latest thing is that all villagers between the ages of 6 and 18 will get a full-suspension trek bicycle to “get them outside” and help with the diabetes epidemic that they claim comes from poor diet and lack of exercise.
I’m going to go drink a beer and go to bed.
David, that is why I favor changing the Law from a mister meaner to an Act of Tression in a Bill that would create a Non-Profit Organization Network to find the best qualified temporary workers for the companies who are in need of temporary workers.
Why citizenship would not be attainable for these Citizens, by helping them obtain the neccesary teachings that will allow them tp become economically viable and financially independent when they go back to their communities in 5-10 years and America could be killing two birds with one stone.
Combine that idea when a “Humanity Clause” for those who cannot reurn to their country of origin and and a $2,500.00 Fine or 10% of annual income that can be paid back through community service and I cannot see why most Americans would not see that as a solid first step for Congress.
Posted by: Henry Schlatman at July 10, 2007 04:29 AMHenry, we can’t enforce the laws already on our books regarding illegal immigrants BECAUSE the border is not secure. That is why the very first step to immigration reform must be securing our borders. No other laws regarding illegal immigration are enforceable or fair as long as easy and profitable access to American jobs, both above ground and in the underground economy, are available to the millions who want to come here for them.
Posted by: David R. Remer at July 10, 2007 07:52 AMAbsolutely correct, I believe that doing nothing was the desired result at the outset, how else can you explain this ridiculous bill? They had to craft something so extreme it had no chance of passing.
Also, I just heard that moves to alter the AMT have “stalled” and that it should hit folks making as low as $75k next year. If election politics keep taking a larger and larger percentage of the time these people have, what will WE have left? We need to reform the system, as the boss I am not happy with the work ethic in Washington.
JT
Posted by: JayTea at July 10, 2007 11:17 AMI just saw this, it is becoming unbelievable!!
Officials in Suffolk County, New York are being strong armed by a group of state legislators. The legislators are refusing to renew the county’s sales tax unless the county builds a hiring center for illegal aliens. The city of Farmingdale has been ground zero in the illegal immigration debate over the years, and tensions in teh community run strongly against illegal immigration. At the heart of the issue, once again a local community is caught in the government’s failure to enforce immigration laws and state legislators who want to ignore them.Posted by: womanmarine at July 10, 2007 02:17 PM
“For crying out loud, I live in Alaska, and in the pay-for-everything rural native villages up here, the government buys them homes, gives them vouchers for free food, buys their heat, gives them a welfare check for spending money, spends $26,000 per student on education, and is having a hard time solving the substance abuse epidemic in the villages. The latest thing is that all villagers between the ages of 6 and 18 will get a full-suspension trek bicycle to “get them outside” and help with the diabetes epidemic that they claim comes from poor diet and lack of exercise.”
Posted by: Yukon Jake at July 10, 2007 02:50 AM
Yukon,
I heard alot about the sorrows of the native villages in Alaska from a missionary reporting from that area. He said that because of environmental controls in nearly the entire region of Alaska, there is no new business even attampting to open there, other than tourism. He said the suicide rates there are also some of the highest in the nation. How can this be so, when everything is “given” to these people. How can the suicide rate be so high among those on such compassionate Democratic welfare? How can there be such a medical crisis among those who don’t work, therefore, are less apt to suffer injury? Maybe what you need is a much less liberal state, one that believes in freedom, and independence, and pride in accomplishment, and allowing people to use the resources God has given them to sustain a living, instead of being forbidden to do so. I asked the missionary why the Alaskan government stifles the freedom of its people. He refused to delve into the politics of it since he was “just a minister”. Well, so was Martin Luther King, Jr., and someone needs to have a dream to set the Alaskan people free!!!
JD
David,
I agree with your comments re: comment #225586.
My use of the word “welfare” was not intended to imply that we needed to throw more money at our Latin American neighbors. The issue is difficult and incredibly diverse depending on the specific country.
I’m far too exhausted to get into any great detail, but one example that comes to mind is our support of Pinochet in Chile, or the further reaching implications of Operation Condor across Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay in the 70’s. All in the name of stopping the spread of socialism. It all plays into the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” mentality that we’re still employing today.
We’re good at making a bad situation worse.
Posted by: KansasDem at July 10, 2007 11:59 PMKansas Dem, yes, sadly I agree, we are good at that, these days. The Bush administration is trying as we speak to deploy free trade agreements with Peru, Panama, Colombia, and S. Korea. Free trade agreements which, already partly implemented, have opened our markets to their products without the parity conditions our own workers must compete under.
Free trade agreements for the most part have only meant American corporations are free to do as they wish as in becoming foreign corporations operating in foreign lands without consequence or compensation for the harm they cause our tax revenues, our workers, and our economic future.
Regulation is the strength of America’s economic backbone. The sub-prime mortgage crisis now affecting markets and our economy were a direct result of UNREGULATED sub-prime lenders. If the customers of sub-prime lending mortgages had been forced to obtain houses through REGULATED banks, Credit Unions and Mortgage brokers, this crisis would never have occured.
Free trade agreements for Republicans means UNREGULATED trade for corporations. Which is precisely why our past free trade agreements have brought us to 750 Billion Dollars of trade deficits each and every year. That’s 3/4 of a trillion dollars leaving America every year and NOT returning to fund our economy or growth. And Republicans call this a good thing. It is Greed pure and simple which has no regard or affinity for our nation, our future, our people or our children.
It is very, very sad. Clinton was just as bad in failing to recognize these pitfalls of so called “free” trade. And our government still shows no signs of altering this perilous course.
Republican Gov. Perry of Texas wants this NAFTA highway so bad, because he has implemented toll roads to collect revenues from Mexican trucks importing goods into the U.S. and Canada along the route. Never mind that millions of Texans who already paid taxes to build and maintain those roads, will soon have to pay a toll every day to go grocery shopping or get to and from work on roads they already purchased. Greed - it will be the root cause of the next American Revolution, I have no doubt.
Posted by: David R. Remer at July 11, 2007 06:15 PMWhen the so called “Immigration Bill” died on the Senate floor last week, as it should have according to polls,
All the polls I saw showed strong support for a comprehensive solution.
Congress threw up their hands and literally abdicated responsibility for fixing the problem.
And rightfully so. Protecting our borders is properly the job of the executive branch.
Posted by: American Pundit at July 12, 2007 02:14 AMIf voters now rest on the laurels of defeating the amnesty bill, they will have to also accept no action whatsoever to solve the problems associated with the absence of border security.
I told you that would happen. Right now, billions of dollars, hundreds of miles of fence and thousands of additional border agents could be on their way to our borders — all of which had to happen before triggering any kind of action on the illegals already in country.
Congratulations on killing border security for years to come.
Posted by: American Pundit at July 12, 2007 02:19 AMJD,
Your missionary friend is incorrect on his premise. No industry is moving to rural Alaska because #1 - most people in the lower 48 don’t realize how rural, RURAL ALASKA is. Imagine living in seattle and the nearest tiny town of 300 people is as far away as Portland. There is just no infrastructure to get to our vast natural resources. As far as environmental restrictions stifling Native progress: Balderdash. The state enacted legislation in the early 70’s when native corporations paved the way for neverending reparations.
Your post is (I’m sure) unintential sophistry borne of ignorance about Alaska. Natives in Alaska are so incredibly unstifled, it’s amazing. By law, Native’s get preference on all State Jobs and in any company partnered with the many billion dollar native corporations up here like NANA, CIRI, ASRC and DOYON. Native’s have free reign to hunt and fish outside of regular seasons, the right to mercilessly slaughter walrus and whale, yank only the parts they want - tusks, balene etc. and leave MASSIVE rottings carcasses to fester and waste. I have seen this first hand in Prince William Sound numerous times in my life. Native’s do not pay property taxes, nor are they required to pay for ANY medical expenses of any kind. From Heart Surgery to ear infections, everything is paid for in full. Native’s do not have to pay for in state college tuition, and UAF is arguably one of the most prestigious engineering schools in the country. The ONLY commonality between an Alaska native and a non-native is that both of us have to pay Uncle Sam. That’s it.
My theory, and it’s only one man’s opinion, is that accomplishment is directly proportional to self-esteem, and self-esteem is borne of impressing oneself. When you do something that took a ton of work (or courage), you give yourself a little credit, your mental value account goes up, you are generally happier, and you take better care of yourself. This continues throughout life. Some people lose perspective and self-esteem becomes arrogance, (cough) hollywood (cough) nepotistm… but I digress.
If however, you never have to strive to achieve anything because everything you ever wanted to have or do is handed to you, then you become a grown-up spoiled brat. You sit around and complain a lot, you get fat, and you are generally unhappy. You never build the character that comes from having to look at yourself in the mirror and say, “Holy Crap, how am I going to pay the bills this month.”
Unfortunately, the hard working native that contributes to society and tries to better him or herself is the exception, and not the rule. Those that DO strive for better usually make so much money from parlaying their heritage into positions of great authority (and salary) and there ends up being a far more astouding gap between the have’s and the have not’s in Native society, than exist in mainstream America, where I think everyone would agree there is a broad gap between the classes.
(BTW, I don’t find any fault in a Native man or woman doing that, it’s kind of inspiring given the trap into which they are born.)
You see the problem with the welfare society that exists here in Alaska, and everywhere in America, is that it empowers and rewards laziness. The people who genuinely NEED help have access, but they are a tiny fraction of the masses that abuse the system. I’m sure the socially liberal posters of this blog will flame me for this, but I feel society would be better off making it extremely difficult to get assistance for those that truly need it, and therefore pushing the MASSES back into the pre-welfare workforce. Our need for people to do the jobs that “Americans just won’t do” vanishes, and maybe illegals find it really hard to find a job all of a sudden. Hmmmmmm.
Again, that’s just my opinion.
To David:
Scarily enough, you are dead right about greed, and a coming revolution. Free trade agreements are suicide, Clinton opened the door and now Bush and his cronies have walked through and brought lots and lots of friends. The real problem is that both sides of the aisle are so genuinely corrupt that without a revolution (probably violent) everything is only going to get worse. Like I said in my last post on this thread, we are almost back into bondage. A scary thought indeed.
Posted by: Yukon Jake at July 12, 2007 03:05 AMAP, there was ONLY 370 miles of border security in the Amnesty Bill. Check your map. Our borders are far, far longer than that. Congress screwed up, not the American people who stopped them.
Get your priorities straight. Our government is about the consent of the governed, and THEY DID NOT CONSENT to the Amnesty Bill. You are sounding like a frustrated dictator who resents the people exercising their constitutional rights to lobby Congress.
Posted by: David R. Remer at July 12, 2007 01:55 PMDavid,
“OK, you didn’t like what we tried to shove your way, now live with nothing being done about border security or illegal immigration. We will show you.” This is not acceptable.”
That is so true; that’s probably why they did that “backroom” deal in secret and then tried to rush it pass the American people. Good thing for talk radio and the internet. Speaking of internet, thanks (again) for the NumbersUSA website; I signed up and it’s fast and easy to express your opinions to congress.
Your welcome rahdigly, and thank you for connecting to NumbersUSA. I have seen a couple comments accusing NumbersUSA of being a Republican front organization. They couldn’t be more wrong. Many non-Republicans are connected to NumbersUSA as well, who believe Borders first, Illegal Immigration population resolution, guest workers, and immigration quotas and criteria AFTER the borders are secured.
The FIRST duty of any government, regardless of what kind of government, is to secure and protect the borders of the nation. Our government has abdicated that responsibility and duty for FAR, FAR too long.
Posted by: David R. Remer at July 12, 2007 02:39 PM“Greed - it will be the root cause of the next American Revolution, I have no doubt.”
David R. Remer,
Sadly all too true.
RE: Illegal Immigration, you know that I’ve said from day one that securing the borders and ports needs to be job #1.
I disagree about how many “legal” immigrants we should accept, and under what status they should be accepted, but until we secure the borders it’s all a “moot point”. I know I’ve caught hell in the past for using the analogy of “plugging the leak to relieve the strain of bailing water out of the boat”, but it’s just common sense.
We CAN secure the borders and still act in a responsible and humanitarian manner. While the “intel” regarding the presence of Islamic extremists in Central and South America is “shady” it’s a downright shame to think Jihadist’s could easily slip right across our borders undetected.
Downright ridiculous!
Posted by: KansasDem at July 12, 2007 08:33 PMFor all the talk we’ve had here it’s just talk until we’re ready to do something about it. It’s past time to stop talking and start doing something. Somebody, Hell Anybody lets turn this into action, otherwise it’s just lip service.
Posted by: Ken at July 14, 2007 01:05 AMKen, consider joining as a member Vote Out Incumbents Democracy (VOID), or Common Cause, or other organization working to turn things around.
Posted by: David R. Remer at July 14, 2007 08:55 AMYukon Jake,
Many of the things you complain about in Alaska are directly tied to environmental causes and the views of politicians toward the indigenous people of Alaska in those regions.
If enough Mexicans were allowed to become U.S. citizens overnight, say 12 to 20 million, what would stop them from banding together as indigenous people to the areas of Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona, and demanding Federal land given to them in those regions, coupled with everything that you say the indigenous peoples of Alaska get without working. Are the illegal immigrants that were “run out” of those areas entitled to everything that the Native Americans in those areas are entitled to? Are they entitled to everything the Native Alaskans are entitled to?
I bet it wouldn’t be long until someone began demanding such!
JD
Posted by: JD at July 14, 2007 06:00 PMKansas Dem,
You are a lot closer to the truth than most peole may think. My Grandfather told me I would see a Civil War in my lifetime, and it would appear that it’s drawing closer than ever before.
The people will be called “Rebels” for their actions, but now that I think about it, one of the biggest influences in my life was a Rebel. He went against the grain, was anti-administration and would not settle for the status quo. In the end he was crucified for his actions.
It actually gives me inspiration, and makes me feel good, about who I am.
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