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Free Speech in the USA

Ok.
What’s up with the double standards when it comes to Free Speech?
I’m about to use words that are ‘not allowed’.
Prepare yourself !!!!!!

Well.... it took about 6 searches but I found it...

Fuck the Troops

'Power to the People'

"Walking home, I reflected on what the anti-war movement has degenerated into -- a squabbling collection of aging socialists, pro-Palestinian militants, and cowardly anarchists. The Vietnam vets -- who were there just to protect our monuments and show support for the troops -- had a surprising effect on the protestors. “Fight back! Fight back!” was one of the protestors’ slogans. But it was all talk. When confronted by people who actually fought and bled for their country, the protestors grew sheepish and embarrassed -- I would even say humiliated.

I couldn’t help but notice that the anarchists – the supposed hardcore fringe of the movement – waited until they were safely out of range of the veterans to burn a flag. Afraid of the vets, afraid of the cops, they don’t seem to be good for much other than occasionally smashing storefront windows when there’s no one else around. "

Sooooo brave they were actually wearing masks??? Where are we - the Middle East?

"The group sat down in front of the police to decide what to do. Some people passed out food, at which point most of the anarchists removed their masks and bandanas to eat, then put them back on when they had finished. My respect for this bunch was rapidly declining."

Wearing masks means they are either not very proud or they are embarrassed and don't want anyone to know they are there.
BUT ----- saying 'Fuck the Troops' is something totally different. These people don't seem to realize that they couldn't even say that if it weren't FOR THE TROOPS to begin with.
Where the hell are they being educated????
Even those that hate the war - and Bush - have to condemn that kind of protest.
Our troops are serving.
They are following orders.
They are NOT retarded - or so poor that signing up is the only way to survive.
They are very well qualified - well educated - serving their country - and NOT brainwashed like some want you to believe.
Giving creditbility to those that held up the 'Fuck the Troops' signs is just as bad as carrying them to begin with.

"Freedom Is Not Free"

I have seen on TV people defending these 'war protesters'. Al Sharpton (far left)- less than an impressive defender to me - was on Glenn Beck defending these people - of course I can't find the transcript.
Glenn Beck has become one of my favorite shows --


MY QUESTION????
Why is it Politically Correct to say 'Fuck the Soldiers' but someone who uses the word Nigger - (if they aren't black) - is a racist AND... if someone says faggot - ( def.- a bundle of sticks) needs to go to rehab???
My Mother used to ask my brother why he kept calling HIS brother a 'bundle of sticks'. She knew what he meant - she was using her language skills to get my brother to realize that name calling was pretty much a cop-out.

Recently our local newspaper did a front page story on a 'crazy man' who lives in our town. He has numerous signs in his yard at all times. His signs are FAR from 'PC'.
Some of the signs that made the front page had the word 'Nigger' in them.
A friend of mine - African American - who works for the paper was really ticked that the story ran.
He was 'consulted' beforehand but what he said fell on deaf ears. He was totally against the story running at all.
I discussed this story with him and the use of the 'N' word.
I said that I was amazed that it was the FRONT PAGE story - but I did believe it was a story.
People need to know what is actually going on whether they like it or not.
Suppressing 'Freedom of Speech' is NOT the way to go -
I told him I would rather hear someone use the 'N' word or the 'F' word (faggot) - that way we know exactly how someone feels - if it is against the law - or we are fined - we can no longer make up our own minds about people we meet because they will go into hiding - 'underground' groups will form ... we will be worse off than we are now.
It's funny (funny-strange) - he talks to me more now than ever before - he seeks me out.

People who want the border closed - managed - are accused of being racist.
My neighbors are racist? - they are originally from Mexico - came here legally - don't want our government to give amnesty to those who broke the law.
America Vs
'Mexico: Clashing Civilizations'

We have Muslims who are changing their workplaces based on their religion- EXCUSE ME???? if the job you took doesn't conform to your religion - GET ANOTHER JOB - OR start your own business !!! - pretty much explains why the anti-terrorist cartoons weren't published.
We CANNOT change OUR ways based on the radical form of the Koran!!!!!

Our country is soooooo screwed.

The ONLY way the Iraq War can be compared to Vietnam is by Politics. Kennedy started it????
We have a grinning f-er on tv all the time saying that we should open the border to Mexico - can't remember his name but he irritates me...
It is okay to say 'Fuck the Troops' but the KKK is bad and we can't call someone a 'nigger' or a 'faggot'.
Some of our schools are banning Booing at ball games.
We can't keep score.
Our kids are being told to call 911 on their own parents if they spank them...

Who the hell is running this country?
I know... the kids that were bullied, spanked, and booed.
Don't they realize they wouldn't be who they are today if it hadn't been for the way they were raised???

'Fuck the Troops'.....

It is way past time for our TWO political parties to get it together.


BTW - I was going to add this site and almost forgot.
'What Really Happened'
Not ONE picture of 'What Really Happened'

Posted by Dawn at March 25, 2007 2:32 AM
Comments
Comment #213613

Dawn said: “They are NOT retarded”

One of my best friends growing up had a younger brother who had down syndrome. His brother was such a sweet great person. This word is not necessary, it degrades people who are some of the nicest you will ever meet and just so innocent and caring.

Posted by: Richard Rhodes at March 25, 2007 2:50 AM
Comment #213614

I warned you before you opened this thread - that I was going to use words that are NOT allowed.

I have friends who have down syndrome - one in my family -

I was one of the first at my school to befriend the ‘MR’s’ back in the late 70’s & early 80’s - my ‘real’
friends thought it might ‘rub off’ - they found out different.
‘retarded’ used to be a ‘medical term’ - now it is a BAD word because there are so may defintions for it.

Just so you know - I help with the ‘retarded’ kids once a week.

Posted by: Dawn at March 25, 2007 3:04 AM
Comment #213619

Dawn said: “”Walking home, I reflected on what the anti-war movement has degenerated into — a squabbling collection of aging socialists, pro-Palestinian militants, and cowardly anarchists.”

Your comment is dishonest in the EXTREME to portend that this picture and their banners reflect the vast majority of those against continuing our involvement in this Iraqi Civil War. It just isn’t so, and there are tons of polls to prove it. This article is not worth further comment from me.

Posted by: David R. Remer at March 25, 2007 10:09 AM
Comment #213637

That Glen Beck is your favorite show speaks volumes.

Frankly, him and O’reilly lower the collective IQ of TV, significantly. What I wonder is, who really cares what these two morons think?

As David says …first you make your paper mache’ tiger…then you attack it. I guess it sells soap, but at what cost?

Posted by: gergle at March 25, 2007 1:40 PM
Comment #213639

DAwn,

BTW, Faggot comes from the middle english term bundle of sticks refering to those used to burn heretics. Maybe your mom should have asked why your brother wanted to burn his brother at the stake, and then invested in a psycologist, or maybe she should’ve just ignored juvenile nonsense…something that this post didn’t seem to accomplish.

Posted by: gergle at March 25, 2007 1:47 PM
Comment #213645

i think the main point would be extreme speech on the left is covered completely different than extreme speech on the right. if the kkk has a rally it’s covered on the front page, and all the major media outlets. every civil rights group is up in arms saying we have to stop the hate. on the other hand i don’t ever remember seeing this anti-war protest getting vast media coverage, or the usual groups of civil rights people or main- stream pundits on the left denouncing this type of behavior. both sides of the extreme are protected by free speech, but are equally disgusting. why no outrage?

Posted by: dbs at March 25, 2007 2:14 PM
Comment #213650

Did those chickens display that sigh in front of the Vietnam Vets? Bet they didn’t or they wouldn’t of lived long enough to take the chicken mask off and eat.

Posted by: Ron Brown at March 25, 2007 2:28 PM
Comment #213653

David:
“Your comment is dishonest in the EXTREME to portend that this picture and their banners reflect the vast majority of those against continuing our involvement in this Iraqi Civil War. It just isn’t so, and there are tons of polls to prove it. This article is not worth further comment from me.”

Well said. This article is dishonest and pathetic from A to Z.

dbs:
“i think the main point would be extreme speech on the left is covered completely different than extreme speech on the right. if the kkk has a rally it’s covered on the front page,”

That’s probably because the KKK has a history of hanging and killing people and constantly trying to start fights and spill blood on the streets, whereas these kind of teenaged anarchists are only known for being totally obnoxious, saying the most outrageous things they can think up, breaking a few windows, knocking over a few garbage cans and amassing in numbers that drive the cops to distraction.

Posted by: A at March 25, 2007 2:33 PM
Comment #213654

Don’t know why that happens sometimes — but anyway, that last post was mine.

Posted by: Adrienne at March 25, 2007 2:36 PM
Comment #213687

Adrienne,

Perhaps the gods are grading you!:)

Posted by: gergle at March 25, 2007 5:17 PM
Comment #213693

Dawn,

This is just a bunch of stupid kids. You’re giving them more attention right now than they probably deserve. But, when someone who is the national spotlight and is considered a Republican spokesperson calls a presidential candidate a faggot on national television then yes, that’s different. You see, I know there are stupid kids out there somewhere doing all kinds of dumb things, but it took the Republican party to show me that unless you complain those stupid things will happen at the top too.

You made the comparison between Coulter and these jerkoffs. Do we really expect the same level of discourse from these two?

Posted by: Max at March 25, 2007 5:33 PM
Comment #213705

You made your point to me when you said you had to make 6 searches to find it.
I can chalk it up to media bias when I reflect on the story about the guy getting fired for writing an article entitled “Why I Hate Black People” Do I need a link or do we all remember that one?
That person was plastered on the tv for quite a few times, yet this photo, because it was at an anti-war rally is given a pass.
Sounds like bias to me.

Posted by: catastrophyinprogress at March 25, 2007 6:38 PM
Comment #213707

adrienne

“That’s probably because the KKK has a history of hanging and killing people and constantly trying to start fights and spill blood on the streets,

OK bad example. lets say it’s a pro-war demonstration, and the signs read f**k the arabs, that wuold be on the front page,and the nightly news. the civilrights poeple and those on the left we be screaming bloody murder. the protest displayed above would not see the light of day, or be condemned period.

the two events would not get equal coverage.

Posted by: dbs at March 25, 2007 6:49 PM
Comment #213708

max

“and is considered a Republican spokesperson “

she’s a political pundit. she has a tendency to say things that are definitly over the top. where do you come with her being a spokesperson for the republican party? thats absolute nonsense. thats like me saying al franken is a spokesperson for the democrat party, and represents the entire party, when he’s just a pundit.

Posted by: dbs at March 25, 2007 6:59 PM
Comment #213744

dbs said: “both sides of the extreme are protected by free speech, but are equally disgusting. why no outrage?”

Why be outraged at the free exercise of our Constitution? I am proud that these youngsters can assemble in protest against their government’s policies and exercise their will to express their views. Very proud! As a Viet Nam era vet, I have no problems with those in the photos. I just choose to disagree with them.

Unlike this President and A.G. Holi-O I forgot the Constitution Gonzalez, I took the oath to protect and defend the Constitution quite literally, when I was in the service, and still do today as a citizen, despite my being opposed to the policy of the war in Viet Nam and this one in Iraq and these anarchist novices.

Posted by: David R. Remer at March 26, 2007 4:26 AM
Comment #213745

There are an increasing number of our troops who deserve to be “screwed” legally. I speak of those who are raping our service women and killing indiscriminately because its fun, and torturing others. It comes with lowering the recruitment standards and scraping the barrel bottom, having committed to an action for which the nation’s military was unprepared to follow through on.

Posted by: David R. Remer at March 26, 2007 4:30 AM
Comment #213746

I would bet these aren’t even genuine war protesters, but faux protesters try to give material to people like you. The term for this is agent provocateur. Clearly the practical effect of this kind of sign is to galvanize support for the war.

If they are real protesters, well shame on them, but if you say they are representative of people opposing the war now, you are slandering many if not most of your fellow Americans.

Posted by: Woody Mena at March 26, 2007 6:28 AM
Comment #213764
There are an increasing number of our troops who deserve to be “screwed” legally. I speak of those who are raping our service women and killing indiscriminately because its fun, and torturing others. It comes with lowering the recruitment standards and scraping the barrel bottom, having committed to an action for which the nation’s military was unprepared to follow through on.

For which the nation’s people was uncommited beside paying less taxes during war time.

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at March 26, 2007 10:15 AM
Comment #213773

david

“Why be outraged at the free exercise of our Constitution”

my point was not whether they have the right to prorest or not, obviously they do. it is the un-equal coverage by the media, and lack of outrage by the usual suspects, who would condemn the protests by the right.

“There are an increasing number of our troops who deserve to be “screwed” legally. I speak of those who are raping our service women and killing indiscriminately because its fun, and torturing others.”

there are bad apples in everey barrel, but to generalize like this is hardly fair. if you have some proof please present it. please try to use a neutral source.

“It comes with lowering the recruitment standards and scraping the barrel bottom,”

these are all volenteers. this is another generalization. would you say the same of those who served with you in vietnam, and were drafted, as opposed to enlisting as i believe you once mentioned you did.

Posted by: dbs at March 26, 2007 11:56 AM
Comment #213774

woody


“I would bet these aren’t even genuine war protesters, but faux protesters try to give material to people like you. The term for this is agent provocateur. Clearly the practical effect of this kind of sign is to galvanize support for the war.”

i could say the same about far right protesters. it still wouldn’t make it true. this is pure speculation on your part. the actions above are protected free speech , but they’re still disgusting, just as could be said of a skinhead rally, or any other racist or over the top orginization.

Posted by: dbs at March 26, 2007 12:12 PM
Comment #213775

woody


“I would bet these aren’t even genuine war protesters, but faux protesters try to give material to people like you. The term for this is agent provocateur. Clearly the practical effect of this kind of sign is to galvanize support for the war.”

i could say the same about far right protesters. it still wouldn’t make it true. this is pure speculation on your part. the actions above are protected free speech , but they’re still disgusting, just as could be said of a skinhead rally, or any other racist or over the top orginization.

Posted by: dbs at March 26, 2007 12:18 PM
Comment #213892
OK bad example. lets say it’s a pro-war demonstration, and the signs read f**k the arabs, that wuold be on the front page,and the nightly news. the civilrights poeple and those on the left we be screaming bloody murder. the protest displayed above would not see the light of day, or be condemned period.

the two events would not get equal coverage.

I’m afraid I’m not grasping what your point is here — at all. You’re now trying to compare the teen anarchists in Dawn’s picture to hypothetical signs held by people who might show up a Pro-War Rally? And you’re claiming that both wouldn’t get equal coverage? The only answer I could give you is that this would be pretty hard to guess at. I mean, one has already happened, and the other is entirely hypothetical — so who knows?

Re: Ann KKKoulter

“she’s a political pundit. she has a tendency to say things that are definitly over the top. where do you come with her being a spokesperson for the republican party? thats absolute nonsense.”

No it isn’t nonsense at all. KKKoulter is indeed a very strong and high-profile spokesperson for the GOP. Why? Because “she” has been the keynote speaker at a great many of their political fundraisers and other important events for YEARS now. One does not garner such an honor, such a high level of attention, or those kind of big bucks for being a keynote public speaker, unless one is extremely influential, and very much admired by the party.

Posted by: Adrienne at March 27, 2007 12:51 AM
Comment #213983

“You’re now trying to compare the teen anarchists in Dawn’s picture to hypothetical signs held by people who might show up a Pro-War Rally?”


i didn’t see where in the article it said they were teenagers. could this be a way of saying” oh just a bunch of harmless kids breaking windows and causing a minor disturbance.” oh yes and that hypothetical pro-war rally, with the hypothetical slogan i mentioned, the the hypothetical reaction from the media and civil rights groups. couldn’t possibly happen!

“No it isn’t nonsense at all. KKKoulter is indeed a very strong and high-profile spokesperson for the GOP. Why? Because “she” has been the keynote speaker at a great many of their political fundraisers and other important events for YEARS now. One does not garner such an honor, such a high level of attention, or those kind of big bucks for being a keynote public speaker, unless one is extremely influential, and very much admired by the party.”

NO just makes her highly paid key note speaker.
she’s not an official spokesperson for the party, say like the party chairman or such. after those comments she probably isn’t going to garner the type offers she used to. BTW i don’t condone the things she said. they where definitly over the top. guess that means she doesn’t represent the entire party, imagine that.

” And you’re claiming that both wouldn’t get equal coverage?”

thats exactly what i’m saying!

“Re: Ann KKKoulter”

OH BROTHER!!!

Posted by: dbs at March 27, 2007 4:58 PM
Comment #213987

Left wing flapping in one direction, right wing inflapping the opposite…the entire eagle is falling to the ground at terminal velocity.

F**K the politicians!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BrotherThom at March 27, 2007 5:13 PM
Comment #213986

Left wing flapping in one direction, right wing inflapping the opposite…the entire eagle is falling to the ground at terminal velocity.

F**K the politicians!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BrotherThom at March 27, 2007 5:13 PM
Comment #213985

Left wing flapping in one direction, right wing inflapping the opposite…the entire eagle is falling to the ground at terminal velocity.

F**K the politicians!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BrotherThom at March 27, 2007 5:13 PM
Comment #213994

Sorry about the triple post..I guess I really meant that!

Posted by: BrotherThom at March 27, 2007 5:29 PM
Comment #214000

BrotherThom

“Sorry about the triple post..I guess I really meant that!”

don’t be, it’s needs to be read more than once anyway. good point.

Posted by: dbs at March 27, 2007 6:06 PM
Comment #214087

dbs:
“i didn’t see where in the article it said they were teenagers.”

Look at the picture. See anyone who looks like an adult? I certainly don’t.

“she’s not an official spokesperson for the party”

Koulter has been paid by the party to speak to them at many of their events and fundraisers — that means they enjoy what she says a great deal. In fact, they enjoy it so much that they’ve been more than willing to pay out big bucks for her to appear time and time again. You may not like it, but this means she is functioning as an official spokesperson of the GOP.

Re: KKKoulter

“OH BROTHER!!!”

I agree completely — she looks, talks, and acts exactly like a man who has had a sex-change, or possibly a woman born with an extra Y chromosome. All her sputtering hate and talk of violence seems to suggest she is either still producing too much testosterone, or perhaps suffers from a serious estrogen imbalance.

Posted by: Adrienne at March 27, 2007 11:49 PM
Comment #214186

I think this will be the last post by Dawn I bother to read.
W.E. Savage

Posted by: TheSavage at March 28, 2007 5:10 PM
Comment #214204

Humanevents.com is a right-wing propaganda site, just as bad or worse than Faux news (although perhaps it can be cut a little slack since it’s obviously a web scam rather than set up like a traditional news network). Even when they say things that are true, they usually grossly exaggerate it since their goal of course is to make liberals look as bad as possible.

By the way, I’m not even so sure those people were that liberal. They looked and sounded more like anarchists, who don’t fit in with the left/right classifcation, although often associated with libertarians. I mean “No God, No Country, No Master” is a more anarchist/radical libertarian slogan than leftist.

Posted by: Thom at March 28, 2007 7:39 PM
Comment #214203

Adrienne

“Look at the picture. See anyone who looks like an adult? I certainly don’t.”

pictures not too clear, see a guy with a beard, and a lot of other faces, most of which can’t be made out. this is a real sretch on your part.

“I agree completely “

did i hear that correctly? you and i agree on something. better hope your friends don’t find out. HA. HA.

“she looks, talks, and acts exactly like a man who has had a sex-change, or possibly a woman born with an extra Y chromosome.”

thats it. my beverage of choice is now spraying from my nose. very funny adrienne. great sense of humor!

and here i thought you just liked badgering me.

Posted by: dbs at March 28, 2007 7:39 PM
Comment #214221

These people look suspiciously like Rove plants.
I consider myself somewhat of a centrist and Ive never seen Liberals like this unless they were plants to smear opposition. Remember the swift boat vets? Plants paid for by President Karl Rove.

Posted by: ksec at March 28, 2007 10:02 PM
Comment #214255

dbs:
“pictures not too clear, see a guy with a beard, and a lot of other faces, most of which can’t be made out. this is a real sretch on your part.”

I’m an artist dbs, and therefore, I’m rather good at studying pictures. The picture doesn’t have to be crystal clear to tell me plenty about that group of people. If that isn’t a gaggle of teens nursing a giant grudge against the entire world, then I’m the Queen of Sheba. Seriously, take a good hard look at it again. Btw, nobody there has a beard, they’re all wearing kerchiefs over their faces — because that’s teen-anarchy stylin’. Look at the gangly, possibly red-haired youth right in the front of the picture on the left who is holding up the sign. In fact, look at the body language of all three of the kids who are holding up that “F the Troops” sign — so immature. I’ll bet one of their Dad’s dropped them off downtown for their big anarchy march and they waited until he drove off before whipping out that sheet-sign from someones messenger bag. Look at all the teen-style shoes and slouchy, oversized sweats. I’d put money down that none of the people you see in that picture is beyond the age of twenty three or so — although most of those kids seem a lot younger than that.

“my beverage of choice is now spraying from my nose. very funny adrienne. great sense of humor!”

Thanks. Always happy to amuse.
But I have to admit, I was being serious. I think Koulter is either a former man, or somehow not-quite-female. She’s got a large, mannish Adam’s Apple, and women simply don’t have those.

“and here i thought you just liked badgering me.”

Badgering? How so?

Posted by: Adrienne at March 29, 2007 1:01 AM
Comment #214294

Where does one begin? Dawn, you need to structure your articles and learn some basic formatting skills.

Posted by: Gerrold at March 29, 2007 11:35 AM
Comment #214364

adrienne

first let me say, I BOW TO YOU OH QUEEN OF SHEBA!!

“I think Koulter is either a former man, or somehow not-quite-female. She’s got a large, mannish Adam’s Apple, and women simply don’t have those.”

hey maybee she’s actually barney frank in drag!! adrienne

first let me say, I BOW TO YOU OH QUEEN OF SHEBA!!

“I think Koulter is either a former man, or somehow not-quite-female. She’s got a large, mannish Adam’s Apple, and women simply don’t have those.”

hey maybee she’s actually barney frank in drag!! adrienne

first let me say, I BOW TO YOU OH QUEEN OF SHEBA!!

“I think Koulter is either a former man, or somehow not-quite-female. She’s got a large, mannish Adam’s Apple, and women simply don’t have those.”

hey maybee she’s actually barney frank in drag!! adrienne

first let me say, I BOW TO YOU OH QUEEN OF SHEBA!!

“I think Koulter is either a former man, or somehow not-quite-female. She’s got a large, mannish Adam’s Apple, and women simply don’t have those.”

hey maybee she’s actually barney frank in drag!! :]

Posted by: dbs at March 29, 2007 10:00 PM
Comment #214365

WOW don’t know how i ended up with that last post lookin like that.WTF

Posted by: dbs at March 29, 2007 10:02 PM
Comment #214371

Dawn, you are right on — great words

Posted by: Sam from Brooklyn at March 29, 2007 10:52 PM
Comment #250203

The “masks” are used for protection against tear gas,etc. When they were all sitting in a non-aggressive manner to eat, it’s not an outlandish idea to think they’d take them off.

Posted by: Emily at April 10, 2008 5:53 AM
Comment #330620

Just wanted to let you know that there is a bitch on facebook stealing your picture and claiming it is the people from Occupy Wall Street. Here is here name what she is saying, the f’in liar!

Kim Silver

This is the NO-CLASS Wall Street occupiers. They are rutting in the street. They are defecating in the street. This is what the democratic party is applauding and embracing? America is in trouble; When morality is willingly being usurped by corruption; Freedom sold for limitation and servitude; Honor traded for degradation, a society can not survive.
— with Rosalie Hanson and 0000.

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