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DIVIDED WE FALL.....

Every couple of years we are able to replace or re-elect some of our Political leaders. Now that campaigns begin sooner - and are almost never ending - the divide in our nation only grows wider. There are a few main issues that are brought up in EVERY election. These issues are used to fire up bases and continue the divide. We are told we have to choose a side or pick the winner.

Both Parties know exactly what key words they need to use and they use them effectively. I will discuss a couple of these issues in this thread.

ABORTION:

What do the majority of Americans really think about abortion?

Taken from an ABCNews Story:


American Views on Abortion
SituationShould Be Legal Should Be Illegal
All or Most Cases 57% 42
To Save Woman's Life 88 10
To Save Woman's Health 82 14
In Cases of Rape/Incest 81 17
Physically Impaired Baby 54 40
To End Unwanted Pregnancy 42 57
D&X/Partial-Birth Abortions 23 69
Pregnancy is 6 Months+ 11 86


'Few Extreme Cases in Abortions'

"......
At 57 percent, support for legal abortion in all or most cases is about what it's been on average in polls that have asked it this way since 1995. Most Americans eschew the extreme positions: 23 percent want abortion legal in all cases, and 17 percent want it illegal in all cases. About a third say it should be mostly legal; a quarter, mostly illegal."

Here are two other polls:

CBS Poll:
'Poll: Strong Support For Abortion Rights'

"Seventy-seven percent of respondents said abortion should either be generally available, or available but with stricter limits than now. Just 22 percent said abortion should not be permitted.

Public sentiment on the issue is about the same as it was ten years ago. The latest findings show the number of Americans who believe that abortion should be generally available is up slightly from two years ago, and about the same as it was in the spring of 2000."

Zogby Poll:
'New National Abortion Poll Shows Majority of Americans are Pro-Life'

"Sixty-six percent said their views on abortion restrictions were the same as they were five or ten years ago. Since polls have consistently shown considerable support for laws such as parental notification, informed consent, and unborn victims legislation, the Zogby poll confirms Americans are moving in the direction of ensuring that sensible limits are placed on legalized abortion."

So what are we fighting about?

It looks like abortion will remain legal with restrictions.


HYPHENATED AMERICA:

'Theodore Roosevelt Advocates Americanism, 1915'

"... There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.

The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. ......"

I can think of quite a few other hyphenated names.

Race, nationality, sexual preference, age, religious affiliation or not, political party ......

Each one of these is used as a 'hot button issue' in campaigns.
It just depends on where the election is, what level of government the politicians are running for, whether a candidate is new on the scene, or if a candidate can be accused of being a 'flip-flopper', to decide which 'issue' to use in a campaign.

'In 2008 race, many presidential 'firsts' are possible'
'Candidates' race, gender, age, and religion are among the factors that could shape the election.'

"....To activists who have worked for years to combat stereotypes in the political world, the very fact that so much attention is being paid early in the '08 race to personal characteristics is telling.

The generic polls "tell us that we have not done enough work to get numbers of people into these areas of public life to represent difference in America," says Marie Wilson, president of the White House Project, which promotes women in politics. "We haven't gotten enough women in, we haven't gotten enough people of color in, we haven't gotten enough diversity by religious background or age." "

'represent difference in America'

Personally... I think there has been MORE THAN ENOUGH done to represent differences in America.


While our 'devoted' politicians and political parties claim to be there to 'serve us' - and 'sacrifice' - to devote their lives to the best interest of the nation and it's citizens... they spend the majority of their time dividing us.

I am still waiting for the right person to jump into the political arena and become our next President.

This is our chance.
Who knows when we will have another Presidential election where neither party has an incumbent running - at least until Gore dives in.

We , ALL OF US, need someone to bring us out of this divide.
I do not see it happening with ANYONE who has been on the political scene already.

I used polls in this article, but, I believe that some of these polls are part of the problem.
People look at these polls to help make up their minds.
Yes. Many voters look to see who is in the lead before they go to vote.
They want to be able to say they voted for the winner - that is... until the winner becomes a dud.

I especially like the polls where the majority of Americans think Congress is doing a horrible job, but their own representative is 'A OK'.
That should tell ALL of us something right there.

I would like to see all polling on who is leading a race vanquished for at least the month before an election.
Just once. Just to see if it makes a difference.
Go ahead and make the calls, but don't publish until after the election. Then compare the results.

Learn how to pick a candidate.

Posted by Dawn at March 7, 2007 11:31 AM
Comments
Comment #210952
Now that campaigns begin sooner - and are almost never ending - the divide in our nation only grows wider.

This is why we need to limit campaigning to the 3 months preceding an election.
But our bought and paid for politicians and their owners want to keep us divided. That way they can put the shaft to us while we’re squabbling about minor issues and ignoring the real problems that are fixin to ruin this country.

Posted by: Ron Brown at March 7, 2007 4:41 PM
Comment #210963

Dawn, with more Republicans slated to go out the Congressional door in ‘08, and the liklihood of a Republican president diminishing fast, I think Roe v. Wade is safe with some common sense restrictions.

Americanism can only exist if the political parties will stop widening the grand canyon between lefts and rights and middles. I wrote a few years ago about how politics swings like a pendulum. Who knew Republicans would become so weighty and fat so fast on their upswing as to cause the pendulum to never reach its maximum height and force it back to the Left so quickly? A few did, most didn’t.

It is economics that will divide us after this Iraq Civil War occupation is over. Along many different lines and for decades to come.

I think the following is out of date: “I especially like the polls where the majority of Americans think Congress is doing a horrible job, but their own representative is ‘A OK’.
That should tell ALL of us something right there.”

Polling a few months ago showed a dramatic increase in voter dissatisfaction with their own representatives. A trend I believe, with some vacillation, will continue to grow. America’s problems are only going to get bigger and more scary with time.

Posted by: David R. Remer at March 7, 2007 7:03 PM
Comment #210964

David,

I didn’t actually look at a poll today on that topic.
Should have been in past tense. Apologies.
I just liked it. Sticks in MY head.
It’s funny if one thinks about it.

When people were asked that, do you think they really realized what they had said ? or do you think it took the media pointing it out to them before they realized?

Not one Dem ‘slated to go out the Congressional door in ‘08’ ?

Posted by: Dawn at March 7, 2007 7:11 PM
Comment #210976

I would have to agree.

There is no solution other than 100% banning anyone involved in administrating this country for the past 30 years from holding office and getting a whole new group in.

The problem is, the second you pull the parasite off your chest, it will pull your heart out with it. Guaranteed.

We are definitely divided and conquered.

Even the taliban have already won by letting us overreact and spend ourselves into oblivion. The media makes them seem like unknowledged barbarians… when in truth there is nothing less brutal about cutting someones head off with a knife and dropping a smart bomb on 50 people unless someone is completely brainwashed.

Posted by: jrjr at March 7, 2007 8:41 PM
Comment #210990

It ain’t likely to get better as long as slumbering voters keep throwing billion$ of dollars at the bought-and-paid-for, irresponsible incumbent politicians, and rewarding them for being irresponsible by repeatedly re-electing them.

Politicians can’t easily use race, gender, or ethnicity any more to manipulate people, so their favorite pasttime now is fueling the circular, divisive, destructive, distracting partisan warfare, of which too many voters are all too happy to wallow in, as the nation’s more serious problems grow in number and severity.

Politicians manipulate and control the voters by pitting them against each other, and by pitting the U.S. citizens and illegal aliens against each other.

Most polls show voters think Congress is irresponsible, but too many voters keep re-electing them; empowering and rewarding them for it. Only the most flagrant and horrible crimes are noticed, and then they get presidential pardons. Who says crime doesn’t pay.

Laws aren’t consistently enforced (only selectively), borders aren’t secured, and criminals are released over-and-over to repeat the same crimes, over-and-over.

Rather than working on ways to make women feel like abortion isn’t their only choice, some prefer to criminalize it. A law, even if it was enforced, won’t solve anything as long as women have to bear the many burdens and stigmas that make them want to choose abortion. Then there’s all the dead-beat dads shirking their responsibilties. And what’s up with those opposed to birth-control? What is so immoral about birth-control (i.e. the pill)?

And none of it is likely to get better until it all becomes too painful, at which point, misery will motivate more people to want to become educated about what is causing their pain and misery.

We can learn from history or we can learn from pain and misery (again).

In a voting nation, an educated electorate is paramount.
History repeats itself, but once in a while we learn something from history, and there is progress.
We’re about to get our education again, be it the smart, responsible, peaceful way, or the hard and painful way.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 7, 2007 10:10 PM
Comment #211015

Good article, Dawn.
But why do you think Gore is going to dive in? He keeps saying he isn’t going to, though I wish he would. He’s got most of what I look for in a president, including the foreign policy experience. That’s going to be important if we want to begin to repair the damage done by these years of Bushco’s brand of foreign policy.

Posted by: Adrienne at March 8, 2007 1:05 AM
Comment #211023

Adrienne,

‘He keeps saying he isn’t going to, …’

That is usually the first untruth we hear from a politician. That, or ‘I don’t know. I haven’t considered it yet.’.

I see Gore as the typical, polished, career politician. His ego is being stroked big time right now, and how could he resist after the applause he received while accepting that trophy -when he pretended to announce?

Is there anyone who isn’t already running who you would like to see in the race? Someone who is not nationally recognized?

‘He’s got most of what I look for in a president, …’
Does anyone out there already fit that bill?

If we don’t get someone in that office who can bring US together, his/her foreign policy isn’t going to matter much. We won’t need one.


Posted by: Dawn at March 8, 2007 7:56 AM
Comment #211056

Dawn:
“I see Gore as the typical, polished, career politician.”

I agree, but after Bush I’m really looking forward to that kind of leadership. I want to listen to someone who is articulate and polished — someone who won’t embarrass us on the world stage.

“His ego is being stroked big time right now, and how could he resist after the applause he received while accepting that trophy -when he pretended to announce?”

Well, he deserves that Oscar and the applause, doesn’t he? His film made global climate change understandable to everyone, and he was the first major politician to study the science and begin drawing it to the attention of the American public.

“Is there anyone who isn’t already running who you would like to see in the race? Someone who is not nationally recognized?”
“Does anyone out there already fit that bill?”

Yes, I think Sen. Russ Feingold is truly the best man for the job — but he’s decided not to run.
Even the fact that he made that decision makes me think he’s the best man for the job! :^)

“If we don’t get someone in that office who can bring US together, his/her foreign policy isn’t going to matter much. We won’t need one.”

Yeah. Personally, I’m worried we’re not going to need one before we see the end of this reckless administration.

Posted by: Adrienne at March 8, 2007 1:02 PM
Comment #211062

‘Yeah. Personally, I’m worried we’re not going to need one before we see the end of this reckless administration.’

That’s where we differ … I believe the problems are deeper than that.

Posted by: Dawn at March 8, 2007 1:18 PM
Comment #211094

Dawn:
“That’s where we differ … I believe the problems are deeper than that.”

It’s easy to think so. But on the other hand, Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, who I clearly don’t agree with judging by most of his votes, manages to find the courage to say something like this:

The president says, ‘I don’t care.’ He’s not accountable anymore,” Hagel says, measuring his words by the syllable and his syllables almost by the letter. “He’s not accountable anymore, which isn’t totally true. You can impeach him, and before this is over, you might see calls for his impeachment.

Which makes me wonder if maybe the country isn’t quite as divided as so many people think.

Here is the link to that quote.

Posted by: Adrienne at March 8, 2007 5:35 PM
Comment #211114

Please look at this Adrienne:

Conduct polls on issues, not popularity

Posted by: Dawn at March 8, 2007 8:06 PM
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