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Circling the wagons

So the President comes out and says he knows Rep. Hastert and reassures us that Hastert wants to get to the bottom of the Foley mess, essentially that Hastert had nothing to do with a cover-up. Well, I feel reassured, thank you.

Partisan support instead of a call for investigation always makes me feel better. How about you? "Let's rally around our cronies like they've done for us until we figure out the facts and then have a chance to spin it to the public."

Mr. President, if you want to reassure the public, then don't jump to anyone's aid until you know the facts. Tell the American public you insist on a full investigation and that you will see to it that anyone who covered up or had information and failed to act is punished. Instead you sent a message loud and clear that circling the wagons to hold on to power is what is most important to you and yours.

And talk about circling the wagons, is that what Rep. Reynolds was doing yesterday when he held a news conference surrounded by children? What exactly was the message that was trying to be conveyed there? That if he surrounds himself with children, then he couldn't possibly have known about risks to other children and did nothing? I won't even go into what it means that Mr. Reynolds refused to have the little children removed from the press conference so that journalists could ask questions of an adult nature about which a press conference was held to discuss an incident of an adult nature.

As for Hastert's noble actions, instead of getting to the bottom of the issue, he's making the rounds of conservative radio talk shows rallying or reassuring the base. Like anyone who listens to Rush Limbaugh listens because they want to know the truth about something; that that's the place of the moral high ground.

What actions like these always seem to indicate is where there's smoke there's probably fire. They'll circle the wagons of denial and ignorance until they can find a loophole to squirm through.

How about you reassure us with leadership and action? Tell us all that you know and when you knew it and what you did about it, and demand that level of transparency from all others. Next thing you know they'll be blaming the other guy -- oops, too late -- or blaming the other party -- oops, too late -- or, even most cowardly of all, blaming the Pages themselves -- sigh.

Posted by Zeb Pike at October 4, 2006 1:56 PM
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Zeb, that is Bush speak reassurance to his base that his Attorney General will not be taking part in investigating anything that might besmirch any more Republicans. At least not until AFTER the election.

Getting pretty easy to decode Bush now. Of course, we have had 6 years to crack the code.

Posted by: David R. Remer at October 4, 2006 2:26 PM
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I mean does anyone actually believe anything that bush says anymore? I certainly do not. I can’t see how anyone can take him seriously or think that he is truthful or right anymore? I wish the media would not even bother giving him a platform.

Posted by: dee at October 4, 2006 2:54 PM
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I used to be an Idealist. I really did. I thought, even though I disagreed with Conservatives that their intentions were noble. I’ve been extremely dissapointed by both Liberals and Conservatives in the last 20 years. I’m completely cynical now and don’t trust any of these people as far as I can throw them. How awful is that?

This congress and administration take the cake however. I’ve never seen anything so pathetic.

Posted by: Dennis at October 4, 2006 3:09 PM
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Folks, the Constitution and habeas corpus just got shanghied last week, the war clouds over Iran and Syria deepen, and this is what we’re discussing?

Posted by: Tim Crow at October 4, 2006 4:30 PM
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Tim, the article on the deployment of the Carrier Strike Group is truly frightening. Do you think these fools are seriously planning a strike?

Posted by: Dennis at October 4, 2006 4:40 PM
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“Do you think these fools are seriously planning a strike?”

Yes, I do.

Posted by: Tim Crow at October 4, 2006 4:55 PM
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Point well taken, Tim. At least for me the other issues right now are too vast to wrap my little mind around. Do we actually still have a Constitution?

Posted by: Zebster at October 4, 2006 5:00 PM
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Kirk Fordham just resigned as Congressman Reynolds chief of staff, stating he notified Hastert’s office 2 years ago, urging them to investigate Foley’s inappropriate behavior toward the pages.

Posted by: womanmarine at October 4, 2006 5:03 PM
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Surely this piece can’t be true? I don’t want to believe it. I can’t imagine Northern European countries, or Italy and Spain for that matter, conspiring with this madness. Indeed, I don’t believe the British people would stand for it either. Governments across Europe would topple. And yet it has a scary whiff of truth to it. If it is true, then we are on the brink of WW111, which will pit the Western World against the East, including Russia and China. If that happens, we will all be losers. Just think how the schemes of those behind World Wars 1 & 11 disappeared into ashes, and the world emerged as a very different place after both of these wars. I can certainly believe that such a conspiracy would not be beyond the fantasies of the Neo-Cons PNAC, but if it is true, it may well prove to have been the high water mark for American power and influence in the world. God help us all.

Posted by: Paul in Euroland at October 4, 2006 6:38 PM
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womanmarine, you have to take Fordham’s claim with a grain of salt at this point. He is obligated to distance his role in all this from the candidate he is working for who is seeking election on Nov. 7.

His statement may be resulting from the need to give his candidate cover from this whole issue and may NOT be true. If of course, it is true and evidence can be produced, then Hastert and company are in it even more deeply.

Hastert states on page 186 of his book, I listen to everything and I remember everything. Hastert is either lying in his book, or is lying now to the public, if Fordham’s claim is true.

We must let the investigation take place. Problem is, everyone with the potential to investigate, has a stake in the outcome and evidence uncovered. The FBI works for the Att. Gen. who works for the White House.

I am beginning to wonder if our corrupt government is even capable of an impartial and fair investigation of this issue.

Posted by: David R. Remer at October 4, 2006 8:09 PM
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Paul in Euroland:

“I can’t imagine Northern European countries, or Italy and Spain for that matter, conspiring with this madness. Indeed, I don’t believe the British people would stand for it either.”

Just one article, Paul…however, I never would have believed that Americans would have stood by while the government calmly strangled habeas corpus, due process, probable cause, and embraced torture as policy.

The problem is, who knows what the truth is anymore? MSM has been so badly compromised by big bucks and shrinking accountability, with more and more media outlets in fewer hands. That the NYT, for instance, sat on the wire-tap story until a year after the presidential elections—this bastion of supposed liberal thinking—is another strong indication of which way the wind’s blowing.

Paul—keep an eye out in your media for anything unusual regarding NATO troop movements, or anything having to do with NATO and the Middle East/Afghanistan news, okay?

I’ve read a number of articles over the past 8-12 months about increased military activity regarding Iran and Syria. I tended to blow it off, too, thinking it conspiratorial and far-fetched, especially considering how stretched the US is militarily. (Notice, I didn’t think of the checks-and-balances of Congress stopping this in it’s tracks.) Usually, when something like this keeps coming up repeatedly in the media, some functionary is trotted out to deny, massage, minimize. The government isn’t bothering—and noone in Congress is stepping up and saying, “Hey, what’s going on here?” The silence is thunderous.

Posted by: Tim Crow at October 4, 2006 8:12 PM
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The silence is interesting.

Yeah … like when you see what’s goin’ on, and everyone is for givin’ some more rope … just enough to hang themselves with.

Posted by: d.a.n at October 4, 2006 8:23 PM
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All you have to do is listen to Bush to know that a strike against Iran is in the cards. Will it happen? Perhaps not, but what the administration considers groundwork is being laid.

Posted by: Trent at October 4, 2006 9:03 PM
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I guess I have some more reading and research to do.

WM, semper fi!

Posted by: Zebster at October 4, 2006 9:31 PM
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Zeb, the latest rumor is the White House leaked this email in order to take the focus off the one issue that was sure to derail GOP reelections on Nov. 7 - Iraq.

Another failed strategy by the White House! This is SNL material here, folks! Hilarious!!! American politics. Damn, we must appear ludicrous to outsiders.

Posted by: David R. Remer at October 4, 2006 9:49 PM
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Are you folks suggesting that Bush would lie to us?

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at October 5, 2006 8:28 AM
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Andre’, no. He directs others to lie to him providing him the scenarios and data he wants to hear. That way he can speak honestly to us about what he has learned from his experts on the ground, in the field, in the sky, behind the toilet, wherever. See how simple that is? You just gotta get Rovian to understand Bush clear as a bell. ! ! !

Posted by: David R. Remer at October 5, 2006 9:24 AM
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David R Remer, I didn’t stop laughing at your last comment until it suddenly occured to me that what you write may well be true!

Posted by: Paul in Euroland at October 5, 2006 6:09 PM
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In keeping with this topic, this article is one of the best I’ve come across. See what you think.

Posted by: Tim Crow at October 5, 2006 6:22 PM
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