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Richard
As much as I agree with allowing gay-marriage, I must say this is kind of a weak argument.
All that would need to be done is to put a “Sex with Animals” law up for a vote and the voters would make it illegal.
And, as with gay-marriage, it would be Democrats and Republicans voting against allowing it.

Richard,

I’m against gay marriage, and I have to say I’m totally shocked that ANY state would allow bestiality, which has been the cause of many terrible STDs(HIV from man on monkey, syphilis from man on sheep). It doesn’t surprise me, though, that the state you came across in this story is out on the left coast. Let me guess the other sixteen: California, Oregon, Massachussetts, New York, Delaware, Connecticut, Vermont, Rhode Island, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Maryland, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and especially Michigan(Go Buckeyes!) Or I could have just looked at the “election map” and posted all the blue states.

kctim- The point was more to show how out of whack the priorities of states and our government in general are. I personally found it rather funny that the state banned gay marriage but did nothing to outlaw sex with animals after what happened with that guy in Seattle.

P.S: Whether you are a Green, a Libertarian, a Republican, or Democrat and you live in Washington state, or one of the other seventeen states that allow beastiality (sorry I looked and could not find a list of these states) I urge you to call your state party and / or your state representatives to tell them to work to ban beastiality.

Washington State Contacts:
Green Party: Phone: 360 532 0949 Email:wagreens@gmail.com

Libertarian Party: Phone: (425) 641-8247
Email: officemanager@lpwa.org

Republican Party: Phone:(206) 575-2900
Email: comments@wsrp.org

Democratic Party: Phone: (206) 583-0664
Email: chair@wa-democrats.org

Richard,
The title of this article is offensive. I’m so sick of hearing gay people who engage in consenual sex being spoken of in the same breath as bestiality. It’s de-humanizing and insulting to these people, and I find it disgusting.

Bestiality should of course be considered a crime, as equally offensive as denying any American citizen and taxpayer their civil rights and liberties.

Adrienne- I don’t believe I put it in a offensive light. I see this as showing that people who are fighting against gay marriage are going to far and this is shown that while they are fighting agaisnt gay marriage they are mostly silent on the fact that their state allows people to have sex with animals. This shows that these moral / religous fighters are just bigoted, because if they were so moral they would be spending their time on outlawing beastiality instead of suppressing basic rights to citizens just because of their sexuality.

Richard, honestly.

Seems to me that having sex with animals is more of a mental health issue than a legal loophole that people are eager to take advantage of.

Are we to think that people are moving to Washington State because they want to “share that special bond” with their pets?

Does anybody ever say, “Damn, I’d like to, but it’s against the law” when it comes to this?

If it makes anybody feel better, evangelical Christians are against gay marriage AND getting it on with Spot.

Well, ok, but I draw the line at sex with gay animals.

This reminds me of an old joke:

A preacher in a small rural community had heard disturbing accounts of the some of the behavior of his congregation. So in his Sunday sermon, he said that some in the group were reportedly having sex with cows, horses, goats, and chickens. Suddenly, from the back of the room, a man leapt up and yelled, “Chickens?!?!”

Trent, on the other hand, perhaps we’ve finally found an issue that will allow us to come together in friendship across the partisan divide? To fight together in common cause for an issue of vital national interest?

I can see Bush’s next State of the Union Address now. A rousing attack on bestiality and a call for legislation. I can’t wait to see which Senators stand up and yell “Chickens?!?!”

I knew this piece would produce some funny comments, and Trent and Pilsner you have not let me down, very funny stuff.

Nothing like bestiality to bring us all together. I suppose we could wax eloquently about Leda and Swan or Europa and the Bull.

Slightly off topic, I want it known that I fully supported California Governor Arnold in his efforts to outlaw sex with corpses.

Your right Trent beastiality and necrophilia are truly the two issues that all Americans regardless of political affiliation can unite on. If only Bush would have used these to issues when he was trying to be a uniter and not a divider.

If these guys who have sex with animals demand civil rights protections, I will oppose it. Otherwise what these pervs do is of little consequence. It probably is illegal in some places, but it is hard to get the horses and cows to testify.

I don’t think there is a strong parallel with gay marriage and I agree with Adrienne that it is kind of insulting to make the comparison. I know that was not your intent. A gay relationship (as in gay marriage) extends beyond the actual sex act. As a matter of fact, sex w/o relationships (gay or hetero) is a lot like beastiality.

I think the closer parallel is polygamy if you must make comparisons, but you can just defend gay marriage on its own merits and that is best.

Richard,

The first comment that you received (kctim) stating that your argument was weak because people would vote to outlaw sex with animals is true. States don’t have laws against that because it is not real common and to the extent that it does happen it is safely in the closet where they would like to keep gay marriage. But what is good about your argument is that the idea that people would would want to marry animals is one of the ridiculous weak arguments that the right uses to argue against gay marriage. Obviously the right really is not concerned about that or they would be working much harder in those 17 states.

I would just like everyone who reads this to consider the following:

-Usually it is rather hard and time consuming to pass legislation at any level, because of the process and the fact that there is nearly always an opposition.

-But with sex with animals I really honestly doubt there is an opposition to banning this act in any state legislature.

-Thus if any, ANY, member of the Washington State legislature introduced legislation to outlaw sex with animals there would be no opposition. Because if a member of the legislature came out publicly against a ban, or voted against it, they could pretty much guarantee their career in politics is over.

-So this means that Washington’s state legislatures have chosen not to introduce such legislation. Because their could only be positive results, as their is going to be no opposition and you could also claim to be the one who was fighting for morals and gain votes in the moral community.

-Why doesn’t some member of the Washington State Legislature introducing this legislation? Unless they all have something they are hiding in the barn.

Richard et al

I just don’t think beastiality is much of an issue. It does not have any supporters. There no attempt to spread beast culture. Marketers do not appeal to that demographic. You do not need to make laws about everything. As you say, they are hiding in the barn. I think if guys started bringing their cows into town with displays of sexual affection, you might get laws about it.

The other big difference is that gay marriage represents a change. Through most of history for most people, marriage was assumed to be between a men (or men) and a woman (or women) Gay marriage is a departure. Gay sex is not illegal in Washington (is it?)

Again the parallel is probably polygamy.

Jack- Read the linked source #1, in it the cops claim that the farm where this occured is known on the internet to the farm sex community and that they think this farm has been visited for this purpose by a significant number of people. So I’d like to hear your argument on why we are cracking down on crack houses while we dont crack down on these animal sex farms?

Richard:

Polygamy is a closer relationship to gay marriage than beastiality would be. I’d hope that cops are enforcing the laws of their community. That said, I recognize that cops need to prioritize their time and therefore, some laws are not focused on as much as others. For instance, I bet most of us speed on the highway a fair amount of the time. Yet cops are not catching us all the time. And cops rarely if ever stop someone from going 66 mph in a 65 mph zone, even though the law is technically being broken.

I don’t think there is much more than a contrived relevance between beastiality and gay marriage. It’s a weak attempt for either side to suggest any correlation or connection.

Everytime this issue has come up before more than one poster has brought up the possibility of gay marriage leading to legalized bestiality as THE reason gay marriage cannot be supported. Now we hear Republicans stating the obvious, that it doesn’t matter and isn’t a good analogy. Funny, I never heard you guys speak up before.

Jack, now that you’re claiming that polygamy is a better analogy I want to know - why? Polygamy is marriage between groups of people. Stop drawing stupid analogies and say straight out whether or not you support gay people marrying.

Joe, I hardly understand what you’re saying at all. That you don’t care if most people break the law? Legally binding marriage provides all sorts of benefits. Denying it to another group is a constitutional issue. You’re saying that you feel you should be entitled to rights they are not. Why?

Max:

I don’t think I said any of the things you think I said.

What I did say was that one possibility the cops are not pursuing the beastiality thing more aggressively is that its not high on their priority list. In some areas according to Richard, beastiality is not even a crime. If its not, I’d say the law should be altered to make it a crime.

I said nothing about same sex marriage at all, other than that the comparison of polygamy to gay marriage is a better comparison than beastiality to gay marriage.

Almost unanimously, people agree that there should be certain restrictions to marriage. I would agree with them.

Richard, I understood your point, I just believe it was a weak one considering how important the issue is.

Adrienne
“Bestiality should of course be considered a crime, as equally offensive as denying any American citizen and taxpayer their civil rights and liberties”

I’m afraid I have to disagree with you here.
Beastiality is no where near as offensive as denying an American their civil rights and liberties. :)

You know, I’ve never really thought about this, but I’ve realized I don’t really care. Bestiality seems bizarre to me, and very pathetic, but it’s not an issue that keeps me awake nights. We slaughter animals, use them as beasts of burden, experiment on them — it’s not like most of us are particularly concerned with animal rights, though I do hope none of us are intentionally cruel to them.

Not a controvery to me, and I can’t imagine my opinion of any politician would be swayed by how hard he fought to punish those convicted of the act. Now, if a politician came out in favor of beastiality, I’d just figure he was a escapee from the looney bin.

I don’t give sex with fido very much thought and I don’t give sex with Fred much thought because neither affect me.

After giving it brief thought I see no reason why gay people shouldn’t get married and on deeper thought I see no reason why someone can’t have sex with an animal if he/she so desires. It isn’t my business and I don’t care. I don’t want to see it in public, but likewise I don’t want to see Sally and Jim making it on the front lawn either.

On a slightly off topic subject, Can someone tell me why it is illegal is most areas to watch a video of two people making love and perfectly legal to watch them blow each other’s heads off?

Richard

A whole farm? What does that do to the meat?

Max

Polygamy is a better example because it is something that can be done between consenting adults. Sex with animals is just a private perversion. I don’t really care if someone does it, although I personally find it distasteful and I would not invite such a person into my house or associate with him. I suppose I would not want to leave my dog alone with him.

I support gay marriage and wrote a whole post about it. I don’t have a position about polygamy among consenting adults. It does not particularly offend me, but it could lead to abuse. I can see situations (such as after a big war or maybe in old folks homes where women outnumber men by large margins) where it makes sense. The question for both gay marriage and polygamy is whether the structures of our society can handle them at this time.

I have been in a loving committed GAY RELATIONSHIP for over 10 years.
We tell each other that we love them and are loved in a way that no animal can express.
As for marriage gay or straight, it is always supposed to be about love. If 2 people love one another and want to be married then they should.
However, I believe parents to be should go through parenting classes BEFORE they are permitted to breed!

Beastiality and homosexuality are both sins. Not saying that the people are to be hated, just the action. Pray for the people. Nothing is wrong with the people…jsut what they are doing. ANd allowing gay marriage and inter-species love is not only a slide against God, it’s also a paradox, due to the fact that America’s orignal principle was God. Kinda ironic if you ask me

I love it in the ass