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Mothers. Mothers are the Solution.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
It is women who will make the difference and bring peace to the world.
We do not have to be Presidents, Prime Ministers, or Dictators to do this.

Now. Now.
I know most of you men believe that you are the problem solvers.
I know most of you men believe that men should rule the earth.

Just think back.
Who had the most influence on you?
Who was it that you went running to when you had a booboo?
Who cooked your meals and kept your clothes clean?
Who was it that comforted you when your girlfriend dumped you or you had a fight with your best friend?

Yes. Daddy's are important.
Yes. Daddy's influence their children.
Boys grow up to be like Daddy - if Mommy doesn't change this when he isn't around - because he beats her.
Girls marry men just like their Daddy's - if Mommy does not point out why she shouldn't - because he is overly possessive and controlling.

Women have the power.
Women just need to know they have this power and how to use it.

The Bush's are correct when they say women should be allowed to be educated. They are correct when they say that women should have the same opportunities as men.
Women in the Middle East are having a harder time because of religion than those in the Western World ever had.

Can you remember when you began 1st grade? Any of you. Boy or girl.
Imagine how girls in Afghanistan feel? Some of them are in there 20's and going to school for the first time.

Girls don't even have to go to school to know how important they are - or will be... all we have to do is get the women to whisper to each other how they can make a difference at home. They can change the world. They can speak to their children. Children love their mothers. Mothers can tell their children how things should be and get them to keep their secret from their fathers if they need to. Little boys don't like to see their Mothers beat. They are taught that this is right.

We have to get to the women.
We have to convince them that even though we may not be able to give them a better life... together we can give their babies a better life.
We have to convince them that even with the outside influences from the mosques and the men they can make life better for everyone.

Posted by Dawn at August 19, 2006 12:17 AM
Comments
Comment #176402

My mom was great; my ex-wife wasn’t. Before you assume anything, I was more of a feminist than she was.

I think it’s a toss up. Women are human and not any more prone to good or evil than men.

Fighting oppression of all sorts is a godly goal.

Posted by: Trent at August 19, 2006 1:31 AM
Comment #176404

Trent,

Look deeper.

How long were you married? Do you really know her parents?

I’m not ‘assuming’ anything.
I’m not saying all women are perfect. I am saying most women have the greatest influence on their children. It has been said that most children are who they will be before they even begin school….
You say your mom was great. What if all mom’s are great???
How can anyone argue with giving women the power to teach their children to be good? to be productive, loving, tolerant adults??

Posted by: dawn at August 19, 2006 1:46 AM
Comment #176408

Dawn, I certainly wouldn’t argue with giving women any power, including the power to teach their children.

I may have a bit of a different perspective. My ex-wife had many psychological problems that apparently stemmed from an abusive stepfather. She found it very difficult to raise our child, so I figured out a way to work at home while she worked another job. Although we both raised our daughter, I was the primary caregiver, for lack of a better term. I have no resentment over that; I valued the experience greatly. Finally she decided she wanted a divorce, and I let her go. Today we are both happier and communicate easily. We share custody of our daughter.

Over time I’ve stopped to some degree seeing people primarily in terms of gender. Yes, there are differences, and I’m thankful for them, but everything essential to being human is present in both genders.

My girlfriend now is my best friend.

Posted by: Trent at August 19, 2006 2:11 AM
Comment #176433
Dawn wrote: Imagine how girls in Afghanistan feel? Some of them are in there 20’s and going to school for the first time.
Dawn wrote: We have to convince them that even with the outside influences from the mosques and the men they can make life better for everyone.

For years, Afghan women have been denied education, decent health care, the right to work, and forced to hide behind the burka.
The burka has become a Western symbol of women’s oppression (despite some women who say they prefer to wear it because of tradition and other reasons).

The reason for women’s suffering, poor health, and poor education is that their rights have been violated. Nations like Saudi Arabia and Iran legalize the violations of discrimination against women. In Africa, violations of women’s property rights are severe and pervasive. The violations are magnified by AIDS in Africa where the epidemic is raging and 58% of those infected with HIV are women. In numerous African countries, the women are excluded from inheriting property, and evicted from their lands and homes. When divorced, they are left destitute.

Where are the governments (mostly run by men) that are supposed to immediately act to stop women’s property rights abuses? Where is the government that allows all of the discriminatory laws and customs, biased attitudes, unresponsive authorities, and blind and ineffective courts?

For the most part, women everywhere have had fewer rights than men. It has improved in some nations. But, in the U.S., it was not that long ago that women were not even allowed to vote or hold public office. Susan B. Anthony was arrested in 1872 after casting a vote in the presidential election. She was fined $100 but refused to pay. Still, even in the U.S., there is discrimination. Many women earn less for the very same exact job and equal performance.

For those nations where women still do not have the right to vote, they have a long struggle ahead of them.

Perhaps women should stop re-electing irresponsible incumbent politicians that make up 81.4% of congress? Perhaps women will achieve more fairness if they choose more women to represent them? Who says women are any less qualified?
(click here)

Posted by: d.a.n at August 19, 2006 9:52 AM
Comment #176438

CORRECTION: Congress is 84.3% male.

Posted by: d.a.n at August 19, 2006 10:18 AM
Comment #176452

Hey all the problems in the world are a womans fault. If Eve wouldn’t have eaten the apple and then gave it to Adam, or if Pandoria would have not open the box, then closed it to quickly, we would have been living in paradise.

Just kidding, and I do not agree that Mom’s are the answer. Some women are as screwed up as men are. Women seem to be more vendictive then men.

Posted by: KT at August 19, 2006 11:21 AM
Comment #176462

Oh yeah, and what about Maggie Thatcher? ;-)

Posted by: Paul in Euroland at August 19, 2006 12:16 PM
Comment #176470

My Momma was the greatest Momma a boy could have. Or a girl for that matter. And she had plenty of them.
She was always there for us no matter what. And we could always count on hugs and kisses several times a day from her. Even after she spanked us.
She kept us feed, our clothes clean, the house as clean as 8 youngins allowed, bandaged our skinned knees and elbows, taught us to tell time, spell our names, tie our shoes(when she could get them on us), and most important loved everyone of us.
My only regret is not telling her more how much I really loved her.
Mothers do have the biggest influence on their children. And stay at home mothers have a bigger influence than the ones that work. I know that in today’s times it often takes both parents working to get by. And that’s a true shame. Kids are missing out something really special.
And yeah, I married a girl just like the girl that married dear old Daddy. And I thank God for her.

Posted by: Ron Brown at August 19, 2006 1:04 PM
Comment #176486

Dawn I love it when you say this and give credit to the Bush’s, “The Bush’s are correct when they say women should be allowed to be educated. They are correct when they say that women should have the same opportunities as men.” I agree women should be allowed to be educated and have equal opportunities but why give credit to the Bush’s, I wonder what your motivation for this is. There were women and men way way before the Bush’s that fought for women’s rights, and there are women and men fighting for women’s rights more aggressively than the Bush family. So I wonder what your motivation for giving credit to the Bushs is, hmmmmmm I wonder.

Posted by: Richard Rhodes at August 19, 2006 3:08 PM
Comment #176494
Women in the Middle East are having a harder time because of religion than those in the Western World ever had.

Blaming it on religion is questionable.
To blame it on religion is like blaming spoons for making people fat.

The problem is not religion. Religion is merely the detractor. The real problem is rooted in a very old mechanism used to control others. No matter what the detractor is, the invisible technique aims to create a circular pattern to control both the conflict, those seduced into it, and then lead everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts (e.g. religion, race, gender, political party).

In the U.S., the majority now reject discrimination based on religion, race, or gender. Unfortunately, they have not yet discovered the same with regard to the partisan warfare fueled by incumbent politicians, which is extremely effective at dividing the voters so that a majority can never exist to vote out the irresponsible incumbent politicians.

Clearly, the voters don’t really know what they are doing.

So, why not let women have a more representative voice in government (currently 84.3% male) ?

We’ve tried Democrats, Republicans, … , Democrats again, Republicans again, and voters are so distracted with trying to gain the most seats for THEIR party, that voters have forgotten to keep an eye on the incumbent politicians.

Posted by: d.a.n at August 19, 2006 3:52 PM
Comment #176501

Dawn, you said a mouthful. It may well be that the value of life and cooperation in the Middle Eastern Islamic countries may come from Islamic Women writers, mothers, and activists in the West: in places like Britain, the U.S. and France where the freedom to write and speak to the issues of childrearing, women’s role in Islam, and women’s role in their nation’s management are relatively unfettered.

Hopefully the internet will provide Islamic women of the West the ability to correspond with Islamic women in the Middle East. The impact could be enormous.

Posted by: David R. Remer at August 19, 2006 4:35 PM
Comment #176512

Eight words, Gold Mier, Maggie Thatcher, Indira Ghandi, Benazir Bhutto.

Posted by: gergle at August 19, 2006 5:41 PM
Comment #176531

Hopefully the internet will provide Islamic women of the West the ability to correspond with Islamic women in the Middle East. The impact could be enormous.
Posted by: David R. Remer at August 19, 2006 04:35 PM

David, I wish it were so, but the stark paucity of such muslim women in the west is highlighted by the tiny number we are aware of, such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali in Holland. Maybe you have greater knowledge of such women than me, but I just don’t see it. Certainly not among devout muslim women. Of course there are many more secular westernised muslim women, but I suspect they are not particularly influential among their more religious sisters. It seems that the culture of muslim societies, and not just outside the west, is to be submissive to the male patriachy, and it’s hard to see that changing any time soon.

Posted by: Paul in Euroland at August 19, 2006 7:38 PM
Comment #176535

The internet wreaks of freedom.
Those interested will try to seek it out.
Those that can’t may hear word-of-mouth.
Can’t give up.

Posted by: d.a.n at August 19, 2006 7:55 PM
Comment #176536
It seems that the culture of muslim societies, and not just outside the west, is to be submissive to the male patriachy, and it’s hard to see that changing any time soon.
This is where all can help . . . espescially women.
  • Posted by: d.a.n at August 19, 2006 7:59 PM
    Comment #176546

    We’re not always all that great to our women either, unfortunately. Though I agree women’s rights is key to winning the hearts and minds of Muslims.

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    Posted by: Max at August 19, 2006 9:05 PM
    Comment #176550

    The Women’s struggle continues, as Max points out, even here in the West. That is what can unite Muslim women the world round, recognition of their exploitation for what it is, and united efforts to combat it. It is a struggle that has been going on in society since the play called Lysistrata was written, and even long before.

    Posted by: David R. Remer at August 19, 2006 10:01 PM
    Comment #176556

    Not even the greatest woman on earth can teach a boy to be a man, so let’s cut the feminist crap.

    The most basic, simple, effective foundation for a productive society is FAMILY: MAN, WOMAN, child.

    Any attempt to diminish the role of another is utter nonsense…a sad display of vanity attempting to flaunt itself in the presence of God.
    Just plain silly.

    Posted by: Matt Goldseth at August 19, 2006 11:15 PM
    Comment #176560

    If women were so great and peaceful, why did the movie “Mean Girls” hit a cord with so many? Given the opportunity women can be just as mean, spiteful and evil as the worse of men. Women may not do it with the gun or the fist, but I am under no femist illusion that utopia is just around the corner if we just put women in charge. I think that men and women are equal….equally mean that is.

    Posted by: Mike at August 19, 2006 11:57 PM
    Comment #176562

    Matt

    Not even the greatest woman on earth can teach a boy to be a man,

    Depends on your definition of a man. A woman might not be able to teach a boy about going out getting drunk instead of going home to his family, gambling the rent away, fighting everybody that he disagrees with, or carousing around all night with other women. But a real man won’t be doing this kind of crap.
    She might not be able to teach him to hunt or fish. Then again she might.
    But she can sure as hell teach that boy to be a gentleman. And to take care of his family. And that’s more important than any of the above.

    The most basic, simple, effective foundation for a productive society is FAMILY: MAN, WOMAN, child.

    AGREED 100%

    Posted by: Ron Brown at August 20, 2006 12:07 AM
    Comment #176565

    d.a.n.,

    Leave it to you to develop a calculus for ethical debate!

    Posted by: Trent at August 20, 2006 12:55 AM
    Comment #176600

    There is a logical problem with this formulation. We hear that women have the power, that they have the most influence on the children. If that is true, they created and they maintain the world we have. That is possible. But if so, they cannot say they are powerless.

    Men have always gotten to do the dangerous things or nasty things. Even today, the vast majority of workplace deaths are men. On a prosaic level, it is usually the man who has to go out and warm up the car on a cold day or clean out those gutter. Maybe women are just good at making men do what they want. It is a good position. Let me do it and complain if it doesn’t work.

    Posted by: Jack at August 20, 2006 10:32 AM
    Comment #176607

    Discussion of these issues does not have to fall along gender lines. They are humanitarian issues. The systems of the world have, for the most part, been patriarchial, and in the west we have seen a shift. That is something all of us should support. The oppression of women historically is a simple fact.

    Posted by: Trent at August 20, 2006 11:10 AM
    Comment #176627
    Not even the greatest woman on earth can teach a boy to be a man,…

    Hmmmmm … not too sure about that at all.

    That can’t be 100% true, since many fine men were raised by their mother, alone. Also, a good mother can find ways to choose good men to have an influence upon their son’s lives, even if they are a single mother.

    However, no doubt that two parents can often do a better job and provide a united front.
    However, many times, one of those parents sabotages that, and very often, it is quite possible that it is the man that is guilty of that most of the time.

    trent wrote: d.a.n., Leave it to you to develop a calculus for ethical debate!
    : ) Hopefully, it helps? The human factor is often overlooked in the design of our government, organizations, and societies, dooming them to unavoidable problems. How can we solve the problem until we recognize it and understand ways to deal with it? However, even though it may not happen in our lifetime, or even in the U.S., people will eventually figure it out (2 steps forward, 1.999 steps backward), because their is a built-in learning system: pain and misery, which is a very good teacher. Proof of it is where we are today. Things have improved a little every few thousand years. Slavery, aggression, and human rights violations (while not totally eliminated) are now more widely accepted as wrong.
  • Posted by: d.a.n at August 20, 2006 1:56 PM
    Comment #176633

    In the graph above (from 1995 to present), notice the close numbers between the two main parties (not like any other period in history).

    Could it be, perhaps, that voters don’t see much difference between either party?

    Also, why is congress 84.3% male ?
    Why do women still make less money for the same job and performance?
    Obviously, there are some corrupt congress persons that are women too, but who gets fined or convicted most often of felonies ?
    And, who gives pardons to these convicted felons?
    Of those in congress, which are the most corrupt (if any)? Men or women?
    Perhaps, there is a correlation between male incumbent politicians and this nation’s pressing problems growing in number and severity?
    Or, perhaps it is merely a nation-wide problem with the entire population?
    But, could a more representative number of women in congress change that?
    Perhaps we would not have gone to war with Iraq, had there been more women in congress ? Perhaps, the would have demanded more proof and been less inclined to characterize Blix and others not being credible?
    Perhaps the government would not still be plundering surpluses in Social Security (now $12.8 trillion in the hole)? Perhaps a number of things would not be as bad?

    Posted by: d.a.n at August 20, 2006 2:28 PM
    Comment #176636
    The most basic, simple, effective foundation for a productive society is FAMILY: MAN, WOMAN, child.

    As I said eariler I agree 100% with this statement. A child needs both parents.
    When I was a kid Daddy taught me how to hunt, fish, fix the farm equipment, when to plant, when to harvest, how and when to cultivate, how to care for the livestock,and so on. And these things are necessary for farm living.
    Momma taught me how to cleanup after myself, to do dishes, clean the house, do the laundry and so on. These things have come in very handy as an adult. O! wait a miniute, these are the women’s jobs. HOGWASH!!!!!
    With most women working outside the home these days the man needs to pitch in and help his wife with these things.
    But both Momma and Daddy taught me such things as table manners, honesty, to hold the door for my elders and for women, respect of the law,
    respect for others regaurdless of race, sex, age, religion, physical or mental handicaps an so on.
    But most imporantly they taught me what true love between a husband and wife really is. And that’s something no single momma or daddy can teach.

    Posted by: Ron Brown at August 20, 2006 2:41 PM
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