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More Leaks by Traitors

Sigh. Once again, a disreputable Government Employee has broken his vows and threatened the security of the United States. It is only to be expected that the liberal Washington Post would be chosen as the cohort of this criminal enterprise.

This Post article revealed this critical information. Clearly, our safety is in danger when insensitive reporters disregard their loyalty to country and publish things that should remain private. Emboldening our enemies is not a good thing.

I urge you all to boycott the Post and her advertisers. Join me in protecting the public from reality!!!

Posted by Aldous at June 18, 2006 9:31 AM
Comments
Comment #158886

Aldous-
No one can enjoy sarcasm more than me. But seriously,there are things related to national security that should remain hidden. Just what crosses that line, I don’t know. But I would rather err on the side of disclosure.

Posted by: jblym at June 18, 2006 10:35 AM
Comment #158888

jblym
It is the willingness of people such as yourself that allows a corrupt government to continue abuses of power — because they cloak it under the guise of “national security” —
There are some things that are classified as secret not for National Security — but for POLITICAL security.
If the populuce learned what this administration was really doing it would toss them out on their ear.
But Ohhh nooo- the sheep have bought the arguement that the wolf is at the door, and only the high and mighty (?????) Republican Guard (err, little slip there) Party should be entrusted with the National Security.
Now all you little sheepies just go back to sleep and don’t worry about what is going on behind our little black door here — don’t bother your puny brains with such matters.

By the way, when these abuses occur, do you really THINK it is only aimed at “THE BAD GUYS”?
Just who gets to decide WHO the BAD GUYS are??
Do you think it is always the same people YOU think are BAD GUYS??
and the bit about, I’m not doing anything wrong, I have nothing to hide — do you know how easy it is to take a number of innocent activities and put them in a guilty, suspicious context??
Now YOU are accused, but under Bush and the right-wing philosophy, accused is as good as guilty (You are all so convinced that everyone at GITMO are Bad Guys — one of the three that just committed suicide was about to be released!! Hmmmm, if he was guilty/dangerous and a threat, why was he being released to prey on the rest of us unsuspecting citizens?? — anywho the GITMO guys have only been ACCUSED NOT found guilty but to you they are BAD GUYS — “let em rot in GITMO” — and if you believe ANY of these guys were “caught on the battlefield with a gun in their hand” — I have a bridge I want to sell you)

Anywho, the point is, when the government is allowed to be abusive, do not count on that abuse being aimed only at “the bad guys” — remember YOU are not the one determining who the Bad Guys are and one day YOU might be THAT BAD GUY that the rest of us would just say “let em rot” while you meekly proclaim your innocence to an deaf audience.
National Security
If our rights and freedoms are destroyed, what “National” is there to “Secure”???

Posted by: russ at June 18, 2006 10:48 AM
Comment #158891

Are you all afraid of the Post ? Let them do what they want we need to know . If its not true it will come out and if it is so be it. If it wasn’t for the media we as people wouldn’t know shit. The government needs a watchdog especically this one!
Fred
www.fredwilkes.blogspot.com

Posted by: Fred Wilkes at June 18, 2006 11:43 AM
Comment #158896

Aldous-
OUCH! Let me just mop up the blood for a minute. No need to bite my head off,I just said that we need to keep some things under wraps. For example,I would not want to see the Nuclear Launch Codes published on the internet.
BUSHCO. has made a concerted attack on the 4th amendment and individual liberties in the name of security. I don’t agree with this.
In regards to GITMO,it is a morally gray area. The prisoners that are being detained do not qualify for american legal rights,as provided for by our system of justice. This is true for two reasons. One is that they are not IN the U.S.
Two is that many of them are heartless,dangerous,maniacs who would probably be put to death if brought to trial here. Imprisonment is a better thing for them.
GITMO is a gray area for me morally. I don’t think that we should hold anyone,anywhere forever without charges. But I do sleep better at night knowing that there are guns pointing at some very bad men.

Who decides who the bad guys are? We elect judges who do. We hire police. We have an armed force that is led by professional soldiers. These are they people who I entrust that particular function to.
Finally we elect politicians who create the laws that we live by. If we don’t like the job they do,we kick them out.


Posted by: jblym at June 18, 2006 1:06 PM
Comment #158944

Aldous

This document is SBU. You may want to look it up. It will tell you a little more about the nature of this leak and the importance of the information contained. This gotcha is not very much of a gotcha.

Posted by: Jack at June 18, 2006 6:38 PM
Comment #158952

Jack:

It was never meant to be a gotcha. I was simply showing the day-to-day lives of highly-paid Iraqis. Of note is how the neighborhoods themselves have turned into mini-Green Zones. That was new to me.

Still, it does not alter my position that we must stay in Iraq until Al Queda is destroyed. Whatever the price.

Posted by: Aldous at June 18, 2006 8:12 PM
Comment #158965

Fred
Are you all afraid of the Post ? Let them do what they want we need to know

And what if they disclose something that cost the lives of our troops? I reckon ya think that’s OK because they should be able to do what they want.
And who’s the one that’s going to judge if something is a matter of National Security or just political security? Hope y’all don’t want to leave that up to the media. They’re more irresponsible than the politicians are.

Posted by: Ron Brown at June 18, 2006 9:35 PM
Comment #158979

Aldous, I think your stay the course talk is sarcasm, right?

I do think it is hilareous that the Fox News and the red column writers here proclaiming victory while Bush couldn’t even tell the President of Iraq he was coming.

I sure am glad this isn’t another Vietnam, but when do the helicopters leave the embassy?

Posted by: gergle at June 18, 2006 11:02 PM
Comment #158983

Nice to know you don’t mind the outright lies Politicians tell us.

Posted by: Aldous at June 18, 2006 11:11 PM
Comment #158992

So far I’ve only heard complaints about the disclosing of American torture policies, etc. Things we have a right to know about since they are done in our name.

It boggles the mind that these people don’t have electricity or water yet in many parts of the country.

Posted by: Max at June 19, 2006 12:27 AM
Comment #158995

Max:

I am more concerned about the story of the Minister who had 24 hours power supply. Hardships for all can be endured but only if it is unintended.

Posted by: Aldous at June 19, 2006 12:53 AM
Comment #159090

This leak has nothing to do with national security. Unless that folks believe that national security equates with keeping Americans in the dark about the reality of the disaster that is Iraq since we’ve invaded and occupied them.
Obviously that is what Bush and the Neocons and the entire MSM seem to think — which is why if someone wants to understand what is happening there, they’re forced to ignore almost everything which is written in our press, in favor of reading the reports which have been coming from the foreign press.
Because I make a habit of doing that a few times a week, I’m only a little bit surprised by what was in this leaked memo — and for the same reasons that Aldous is — some of that info about what women are facing in their neighborhoods is news to me, and that stuff about how some people are getting “special treatment” in the form of electricity. I hadn’t heard about that before now.

Posted by: Adrienne at June 19, 2006 11:34 AM
Comment #159166

I don’t trust the Post or any of the other media as far as I can throw them. They have the tendency to twist stories the way they want them to be instead of the way they really are. I don’t think they’ve reported a story that ain’t been spun to suite them in the last 40 years or better.
And I sure as hell don’t trust our blab everything they here media with anything that might be tied to National Security.

Posted by: Ron Brown at June 19, 2006 3:03 PM
Comment #159179

Here’s a story from the UK Times Online about what daily life is like for Iraqi citizens: Horror show reveals Iraq’s descent
A morgue’s grim scenes testify to a disintegrating nation, says Hala Jaber in Baghdad

Posted by: Adrienne at June 19, 2006 3:37 PM
Comment #159472

What we need is an independant oversight group, not appointed by the Prez, but made up of former intel officials and agents who are not partisan.
their job would be to determine what is secret and what is not.
Leaving it all to the Prez, has always been a recipe for disaster, as Bush has proved.

Even Barney’s pooping schedule is secret.

Posted by: Joe at June 20, 2006 10:13 AM
Comment #159493

Most of the information in this embassy report is common knowledge, why should we not leak information that most people know already?

Posted by: Nick at June 20, 2006 11:20 AM
Comment #159823

Nick:

Its common knowledge to Iraqis but not to Americans. I tend to research these things and even I was stunned at how bad things are.

Wanna bet your average Joe and Jane know nothing of this?

Posted by: Aldous at June 20, 2006 9:35 PM
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