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The state of Kansas has become the latest state to inch its way back to respecting the 2nd Amendment.
Returning Rights
With passage of “The Personal and Family Protection Act,” Kansans will, once again, be afforded the right to think for themselves and to live their lives as they choose, not how others have chosen for them. While I acknowledge this is a small step in the fight to regain our individual rights, it is a step in the right direction.

The people of the great state of Kansas should be proud of their State Senators and House Representatives for voting in favor of the United States Constitution on this issue.

Election year rhetoric? No.
An attempt to deflect attention away from the War in Iraq, the out of control deficit or this administrations violation of the 4th Amendment? No.
This goes way beyond party and politics. This is about the personal freedoms, granted to US citizens through our Constitution. Freedoms that, sadly, we must now fight to regain.

Americans can no longer afford to just sit back and watch while our rights are trampled by government and we can no longer continue to ignore violations to rights we do not agree with.

Posted by Tim H. at May 12, 2006 9:21 AM
Comments
Comment #147584

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Did Kansas address at all that there is an indidivual responsibility inherent in the first thirteen words of the second amendment?

Posted by: gary at May 12, 2006 10:24 AM
Comment #147603

Gary
I’m searching for info on whether they addressed the first thirteen words as you mentioned. If I find something, I will post it for you.

Thankfully, they respected the last fourteen words of the amendment when they gave a small portion of our Second Amendment rights back to the fine citizens of Kansas.

Posted by: Tim Huff at May 12, 2006 11:10 AM
Comment #147623

If government prohibits legal and regulated gun carry, only criminals and unregulated persons will have them. A thought that has never comforted me when going to sleep in my rural home but which my S&W .357 in the nightside table and 20 gauge shotgun in the closet remedy. My wife and daughter sleep comfortably too knowing that we all have learned to responsibly use those firearms in self-defense.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 12, 2006 12:06 PM
Comment #147625

P.S. Texas is full of people walking the streets doing ATM transactions today and the criminal haven’t a clue as to who is and isn’t. Personal assault crimes on Texas streets dropped precipitously after the citizen license and carry laws were passed.

If we could turn back the clock to 1776 and vow as a nation that only the military and law enforcement would be permitted firearms, I would be all for it. We would be a far less violent society today. But, is not possible, and we must deal with reality. The best defense against crime is not becoming victim and then calling police if one is able. The best defense is to stop the criminal in their tracks before they are permitted to make you a victim in the first place.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 12, 2006 12:12 PM
Comment #147637

David

The best defense against crime is not becoming victim and then calling police if one is able. The best defense is to stop the criminal in their tracks before they are permitted to make you a victim in the first place.

100% AGREE
I keep loaded guns in every room except the kids rooms. At 10, 8, and 6 they just aint ready for that. Although they are learning to handle them.

Posted by: Ron Brown at May 12, 2006 12:59 PM
Comment #147646

Ron,

“I keep loaded guns in every room except the kids rooms.”

Hopefully without one in the chamber.

Posted by: Rocky at May 12, 2006 1:21 PM
Comment #147650

Trigger locks and kids mix well together!

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 12, 2006 1:29 PM
Comment #147654

Ron, the irony is, I never owned and never wanted to own a firearm until married and had a child. I had been accosted many times in my bachelor life, and I was always able to either talk my way out or take a beating and move on. Being a Buddhist, I had no other choice.

But when my little girl came along, I was faced with what I would do if we were accosted. Suddenly, remembering what others had done to me and how they made me feel, being a father protector took a higher priority to ‘harm no life’. It was a compromise of my principles which I still am not comfortable with, but, cannot and will not reverse.

A man attempted to molest my daughter when she was 12, now 3 years later, he has finally been indicted for it, and my daughter, now 15, says she still wants to testify and prosecute him. I am proud of the fact that none of us ever thought about grabbing a gun after the fact and taking revenge upon. That is not our way. We are relieved however that he is going face justice for his attempt.

The downside of citizen ownership of guns, is the temptation to exact revenge with them. Our family’s guns are for prevention, not retribution. But, that is not a lesson learned in our culture. In fact, with Dirty Harry type fiction abounding in every media from anime to books and nightly news, America has little guidance in such principles save their religion if they have one, and if they live by its principles.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 12, 2006 1:42 PM
Comment #147670

David
The problem with trigger locks is getting them off in time to shoot the intruder. The best way to keep kids from playing with guns and shooting someone is to teach them to respect them.
Parenthood does bring about a change in perspective doesn’t it? While I’ve always believed in the right to defend yourself from criminals when I became a parent I changed my thinking on how to do it. I’ll still shoot to kill anyone hurting someone I love. But I won’t just blast away like I most likely would have before the kids came along.
It takes a lot of restraint not to take revenge on someone that’s harmed your child and your to be commended for having it.
When my middle daughter was raped at age 8 I wanted to kill the bastard and be done with it. I thank God my wife was able to keep me from it.

Posted by: Ron Brown at May 12, 2006 2:15 PM
Comment #147693

Wow, the right to carry guns is just so freakin key to living in a democratic society. This law just makes me want to celebrate by getting an Uzi and shooting up in they sky like those aholes in Gaza.

Ron,
Surprisingly(?), I would be in your defense if you had killed the rapist. Yet, I’m against the death penalty. Why? Because as you probably feel as well, vigilante justice is not a trademark of a free society. But it is in human nature.

Posted by: Dave at May 12, 2006 3:31 PM
Comment #147696

That’s awful Ron.

As far as I am concerned, anyone who rapes a child deserves death, or at the very least, a life sentence (with no chance for paroll to commit the crime repeatedly, as they often do) at Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Tent City Prison in Arizona, where temperatures reach 116-to-138 degrees Fahrenheit in the summer.

Some people might think that is cruel, but, as Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio said: “It’s 120 degrees [Fahrenheit] in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn’t commit any crimes”.

Posted by: d.a.n at May 12, 2006 3:42 PM
Comment #147700

“Wow, the right to carry guns is just so freakin key to living in a democratic society.”


Wow! You’re right, Dave. And thanks for pointing that out!!!


“Wow, the right to carry guns is just so freakin key to living in a democratic society.”

And the British found that out in 1776.


“Wow, the right to carry guns is just so freakin key to living in a democratic society.”

And Santa Ana found that out right after the Alamo.


“Wow, the right to carry guns is just so freakin key to living in a democratic society.”

Which is the exact reason why no country in the world has a freakin’ prayer of taking us over. They know that they’d have to kill every Billy Bob with a pickup truck and an Easy Rider Rifle Rack. And let me assure you…that ain’t easy.


“Wow, the right to carry guns is just so freakin key to living in a democratic society.”


You’re right…and don’t you EVER forget it.

Posted by: Jim T at May 12, 2006 3:59 PM
Comment #147730

I have no trouble with gun ownership or even pernits to carry a gun. I live in Texas and legally you can even shoot a fleeing felon if it’s after dark. Not a problem with me, although a few car repo guys are not big fans of this law.

My brother in law is a hunter and he related a story to me when he and my siser were younger. One night they were awakened by a loud noise, my sister thought someone had broken in the house and partly because of her half-awake state began screaming and calling for her husband. My brother in law, also half awake, began reaching for agun kept in the nightstand. Both of them thought they were struggling with an intruder, when in fact, they were struggling with each other.

They laugh about it now, and luckily my brother in law never reached the gun. Needless to say, they no longer keep the gun next to the bed.

I don’t own a gun and never have. I’m not opposed to them, but just never felt the need. I had a gun pointed at me once when I cut a driver off. This nut was drivng a bronco ( no it wasn’t O.J.) and had his 8-10 year old in the car with him. While my driving was rude, this nut came around me on the shoulder and started waving this gun. Enraged more than scared I started swerving at him and planned to perform a pit manuever if he fired. My exit came up and I exited toward a DPS (highway patrol) office. He didn’t follow.

Guns are a tool. Most of us don’t really need them, common sense is a much better defense than guns will ever be.

Posted by: gergle at May 12, 2006 5:54 PM
Comment #147784

The one thing that I fear about this whole thing, is that Fred Phelps now can carry a weapon.

Posted by: Rocky at May 12, 2006 9:06 PM
Comment #147799

Gergle:

Enraged more than scared I started swerving at him and planned to perform a pit manuever if he fired. […] common sense is a much better defense than guns will ever be.

The fact that you can say these two statements back to back, without any apparent irony, astounds me.

Posted by: Jarandhel at May 12, 2006 10:23 PM
Comment #147814

Dave
If I had killed the bastard it would’ve been vigilante justice. And your right it’s not good. That’s why I’m glad my wife was able to stop me. Even though most folks wouldn’t have condemned me if I had of.
However when the courts give the death penalty, due process of law has been followed. The defendant has been tried, usually by a jury, and convicted. And in most states the jury also decides on weather to execute or not. This is justice. Not vigilantism.


Jim T
I’ve always said that the reason the Soviets never invaded us during the Cold War wasn’t because they were scared of our Military. The knew exactly what we had just as we knew exactly what they had. They were more scared of Billy Joe Jim Bob in his pickup with the Easy Rider Rifle Rack loaded with rifes than our Military.

Posted by: Ron Brown at May 12, 2006 11:49 PM
Comment #147836

Jarandhel,

Well, I suppose that’s true. What can I say, except that I’m a conundrum within a mystery? What was the other choice I had? Smile while he shot? I figured if he was busy steering he wouldn’t get off a good shot and he’d likely end up wrecked, even if he did kill me. My vehicle was the only deadly weapon I had to defend myself, at the time.

I should point out we were in heavy traffic at the time., but moving at near 60 mph. I was in the far left lane and was surrounded by vehicles. He came up on the left shoulder I didn’t have an escape path until a mile or two later, at my exit.

Posted by: gergle at May 13, 2006 3:37 AM
Comment #147843

gergle, not to put too fine a point on it, but, your vehicle had brakes, right? You stop, he keeps going, end of incident? It has always worked for me.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 13, 2006 5:21 AM
Comment #147880

Ron Brown,

You’re exactly right. There would be no safe place for the Soviet troops to sleep, no safe place to set up camps, no safe place to confront our troops, no safe place to eat…all without looking over their shoulders for the next Billy Joe Bob with a deer rifle.

Posted by: Jim T at May 13, 2006 11:58 AM
Comment #147901

Jim T
And remember Billy Joe Bob feeds his family with those deer rifles.

Posted by: Ron Brown at May 13, 2006 12:47 PM
Comment #147913

“Wow, the right to carry guns is just so freakin key to living in a democratic society”

Dave
To many people who care about their Constitutional rights, the 2nd Amendment IS very freakin key.
Many people say “wow, the right to speak with terrorists in private is just so key to living in a democratic society” in the same sarcastic tone you have used here.
If its for the overall safety of Americans, it has to be ok to violate that right every now and again, right? Wrong!
This was a small victory for our personal rights and as rare as that is today, it should be seen as a positive. Your fear should not make it partisan.

David
“we all have learned to responsibly use those firearms in self-defense”

I commend you and your family for doing the responsible thing. Far too many people fail to realize responsibility is key when choosing to own a firearm.
It really is great to see others, especially polar opposites politically, who still find value in the 2nd Amendment.

“The one thing that I fear about this whole thing, is that Fred Phelps now can carry a weapon”

He could do this before this bill was passed.

Posted by: Tim Huff at May 13, 2006 1:09 PM
Comment #147976

David, being an easier target was not my goal. Perhaps I should have stopped, got out and discussed it thoroughly with him.

I did slow down and speed up. He shadowed me. I then began playing chicken with him to invite a collision. I wasn’t planning on dying alone cowering in the corner. A Bronco is a high center of gravity vehicle. I’m sure he would have rolled. I am a firm believer that the best defense is often an available offense.

I guess you all missed the part where I exited toward a DPS office at the first opportunity.

You guys are the one’s who wonder why a cop shot the kid pointing a squirt gun at him.

Posted by: gergle at May 13, 2006 6:10 PM
Comment #147979

To not put to fine a point on it, if he had rolled up shot the finger and cussed me out, I would have gladly waved, shrugged my shoulders, and said I’m sorry.

He threatened to shoot me by driving ON THE SHOULDER, at 60 mph.

In the eighties I was driving home when a car pulled out in front of me at a traffic light from the right making a right turn to proceed in the lane ahead of me. Again taffic was heavy. This was in Dallas. I blew my horn because he ran a red light(right turn on red is legal, if you yield), and caused me to brake hard to avoid a collision. A short distance ahead we stopped at another light and the driver that I blew the horn at, got out and wanted to “discuss” my horn blowing. Seeing this, I kept a distance from his vehicle turned my wheels to the left and told him I would run his ass over if he didn’t get back in his car and drive. He complied with my request.

I, generally, as a rule, don’t stop for people in psychotic states of mind.

It’s not a good idea to threaten me in a car.

Posted by: gergle at May 13, 2006 6:36 PM
Comment #148020

Ron and Jim t, Wolverines! was the battle cry of the movie Red dawn, made in 1984. with patrick swayze, charlie sheen, lea thompson and jennifer grey! i am very Sorry to hear about that, David R, and Ron brown.after i got out of the army, the last thing i wanted was to touch a gun.any of you go through that deer hunter stage? i would not touch a gun or look at one for 16 years, then i received a call that my father, at 72 years old . and who was living in arkansas. was in a hostipal not expected to live. after robbed and beaten and pistol whipped, and car stolen,he went in to little rock that day to pick up some equipment for his ham Radio, and never made it back home. he lived, A very tough little Irishman! i brought him back to california, and bought a Ruger snubbie, .357 magnum. with 4 speed loaders.

Posted by: Rodney Brown at May 13, 2006 11:17 PM
Comment #148023

I’ve mentioned this before, but I’ll tell it again.
When I was stationed at McDill Air Base the neighborhood I lived in was having a rash of nighttime burglaries. These were taking place between 01:00 and 03:00, the most dangerous time for them, while folks where in bed sleeping.
The only three houses not getting hit was a cops, mine, and some trash that I suspected was involved.
Sure enough when the cops arrested the burglars it turn out to be the trash.
They knew why the cops house wasn’t hit. But they were curious why they didn’t hit mine. So they asked them.
They said it was because I had guns. The cops asked why they didn’t try to get my guns. The Answer. “Because that asshole would sure give us one.”
Moral, When criminals know that their intended victim is armed and will use the weapon against them. They’ll go find another victim.

Posted by: Ron Brown at May 13, 2006 11:36 PM
Comment #148027

Rodney
I never went through that. Maybe it’s because I made a career out of the Air Force. I have friend that I went to school with that did though. Most of them now own guns and hunt on a regular bases.
My daughter went through hell for about 5 years. Then she started comming out of it. It tore my wife’s and my hearts out watching her go through what she did and not really being able to take the pain away. She’s 32 now, married to a very loving man, and has 6 kids. But even today she still doesn’t trust men she don’t know. And is a little over protective of her daughters.

Posted by: Ron Brown at May 13, 2006 11:52 PM
Comment #148244
The one thing that I fear about this whole thing, is that Fred Phelps now can carry a weapon.

Don’t worry, Rocky: God hates Fred Phelps!

:oD

Posted by: Betty Burke at May 15, 2006 5:59 AM
Comment #188549

I AM FROM TEXAS AND THIS IS LONG, BUT A GOOD READ I BET….PLEASE READ ALL….YOU ARE MAKING ALL PEOPLE FROM TEXAS APPEAR STUPID, PICK ON ANOTHER STATE THAT HAS STUPID PEOPLE PLEASE. I AM A SMART, EDUCATED, SINGLE MOTHER WHO WAS FORCED TO SHOOT AN INTRUDER, OR BE RAPED, SOME CRIMINALS FORCE US, BY THEIR ACTIONS TO KILL THEM. I DO NOT REGRET MY ACTIONS!!! I AM, 39 A VERY EDUCATED AND EXPERIENCED GUN OWNER. MY 14YO SON WAS TAUGHT HOW TO PROPERLY SHOOT, CLEAN AND RESPECT ALL FIREARMS ABOUT THE SAME TIME HE WAS LEARNING TO HIT A BALL, THAT WAS OVER 8 YEARS AGO. I NEVER LEFT MY GUN JUST LYING AROUND MY HOME, MY FATHER HAD TAUGHT ME TO SHOOT AND RESPECT A FIREARM. AT AROUND AGE 8 HE WAS TAUGHT, IF YOU POINT A GUN AT SOMEONE SHOOT TO KILL AND OR BE SHOT. THAT IS WHEN.. HOW, WHERE, WHO, AND WHY TO SHOOT WAS EXPLAINED AND SAFETY WAS TAUGHT, NO CCW PERMITS THEN, BUT I CARRIED. I WOULD SUGGEST FOR ALL FIREARM OWNERS A SAFETY AND EDUCATION COURSE EVERY 2 YEARS THE ENTIRE FAMILY INCLUDED IN SAFETY CLASS REGARDLESS OF AGE. EVERY PERSON LIVING OR VACATIONING IN OR AT A HOME, WHERE A FIREARM IS ACCESSABLE, BE MADE AWARE OF AND SHOULD EDUCATED, IF NOT ALREADY!!!!!. GUN LOCKS……WASTE VALUABLE TIME!!!!!!. AGE, MATURITY, SKILL LEVEL BUT MOST OF ALL EDUCATION SHOULD DEPEND ON USE OF A FIREARM. MY SON KNEW NEVER TO TELL, SHOW OR PLAY WITH MY GUN OR LET ANYONE ELSE EITHER. IT WAS NOT, NOR HAD IT EVER BEEN A TOY!!!!! EDUCATION AND FIREARM SAFETY GO TOGETHER!!!!!!! CAN YOU TELL MY FATHER STRESSED THE IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATION AND SAFETY!!!!!!!!!!THANKS DAD :)!!!!AND A 72YO MAN DOES NOT NEED A .357 MAG….CAN HE EVEN HOLD IT, SHOOT IT, HAS HE EVER SHOT IT, HOW OFTEN DO YOU PRACTICE WITH HIM??????……WE PRACTICE AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH, MORE BEFORE HOLIDAYS AND SUMMER.!!!…. HELL YEA, COME TO TEXAS, YOU KILL SOMEONE WE WILL KILL YOU BACK!!! WE EVEN HAVE AN EXECUATION EXPRESS LANE FOR THEM…OR WE SHOULD!!!OK THAT WAS BAD JOKE :( ONE QUESTION…WHY DO THE POLICE IN BRITAIN NOT CARRY GUNS?…DO WE REALLY HAVE TO ARM OURSELVES 24/7 TO FEEL SAFE??????????

Posted by: Patty at October 17, 2006 10:38 AM
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