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They Bear The Mark of Fascism’ Creeping Shadow

I wondered as I sat in front of my computer screen reading this article, steam and anger rising from my freshly shaved head, if Congress has had enough yet! Loyalty to Party is one thing, but how far do you take it? Isn’t it time for the Republican majority in the House of Representatives to start doing their jobs and call for Impeachment hearings and stop being the lap dogs for our law breaking President?

From the CNN article:

AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth telephone companies began turning over records of tens of millions of their customers' phone calls to the National Security Agency program shortly after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, USA Today reported, citing anonymous sources it said had direct knowledge of the arrangement

"It is our government, it's not one party's government. It's America's government. Those entrusted with great power have a duty to answer to Americans what they are doing," said Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

I know I, and many, many, of my friends have had enough of this Administration and its secrets and its unlawful, deceitful, and un-American behavior. The Bush Administration is continually and habitually breaking the law! And what has Congress done? Nothing! Less than nothing really, since it has ceded its authority to Bush and his horde of arrogant, smirking, law-breaking neo-conservatives who would burn the constitution on the bonfire built of Fascist logs if they through they could get a way with it.

What next? Where does this lawlessness end? What else is the Bush Administration doing? What other laws are they breaking in our name? What is happening to our Republic at the hands of these diabolical unethical immoral people? I have said it more than once and it bears repeating now more tan ever: the Nazi’s did not take power by force, they were elected by the German people and corrupted the system from within. The Bush Administration is cancer eating away at the very principles that made (I said made) this country the envy of the world. Shame on those who through short-sided ignorance and self-serving arrogance, voted for this man and his court spawned from the pages of George Orwell’ prescient 1984. War is Peace! We have to take away your constitutional rights in order to preserve them! And we have to break the law I order to preserve democracy and the rule of law!

We deserve much, much, much better! Or do we? Do we now have the government we deserve? Are those who voted for this (simple minded) man proud of their handiwork? How can you defend the indefeasible? Oh Benjamin Franklin was so right: those who give up liberty for security deserve neither.

Posted by V. Edward Martin at May 11, 2006 12:06 PM
Comment #147253

This is old news. MY Topic directly below is far more significant and up to date. Kindly take the time to read it.

Posted by: Aldous at May 11, 2006 12:22 PM
Comment #147278

Since when is gross malfeasance by our government old news?

Posted by: V. Edward Martin at May 11, 2006 1:58 PM
Comment #147319

I would so much call is old news… more consistant news.

Posted by: tony at May 11, 2006 4:19 PM
Comment #147328
We deserve much, much, much better! Or do we? Do we now have the government we deserve?
Yes. But change must now come from voters, because corrupt government will not reform itself, until forced to do so.
Are those who voted for this (simple minded) man proud of their handiwork?
Some may still be. I’m not. The problem though is that we didn’t have great choices. Kerry was not a great alternative, although it is doubeful he could have done any worse than Bush. Anyway, the last few years have been eye-opening, and helped convince me to leave the Republican party too. But, parties are not the real problem.
How can you defend the indefeasible?
You can’t. It was a mistake. But, Bush is only one person. There also exists:
  • A vast structure of the Executive Branch, a gang of over two million unaccountable persons that are neither seen nor heard as they irresponsibly throttle our freedoms and prosperity; subtly growing and securing more and more power; one of the first steps toward totalitarianism, is the destruction of the parliamentary/legislative branches of government;
  • and, the relatively smaller 535 in Congress: and their hundreds of thousands employees, mostly a fumbling and stumbling group that is too busy piling on pork-barrel and subsidies to special interests, gathering $millions while trying to get re-elected, voting themselves raises, and busy seducing voters into the perpetual petty partisan bickering and politics.
Oh Benjamin Franklin was so right: those who give up liberty for security deserve neither.
We have started down that slippery slope. Sandra Day O’Connor alluded to the abuse of power by the government.

It seems like the whole thing could be solved quickly, in a few elections. But, voters are the other 49% of the problem. They are divided, distracted, and pitted against each other by the petty partisan warfare fueled by irresponsible incumbents.

Here’s just one of many signs of the times.
Check out the rampant abuse of government power by the abuse of eminent domain laws.

It is “legal plunder”.
The laws have been perverted to legalize the very things the laws were supposed to prevent.

Posted by: d.a.n at May 11, 2006 4:43 PM
Comment #147334
V.E.M. wrote: We deserve much, much, much better!
We should get much better for $2.2 trillion per year! Instead, we have:
  • $8.4 trillion National Debt
  • Social Security $12.8 trillion in the hole
  • PBGC $450 billion in the hole
  • %National Debt to GDP (68%) has never higher since WWII (and is up from 33% in 1980)
  • median wages have been falling for 6 consecutive years.
  • foreclosures have been rising for 13 consecutive months.
  • National Debt is quadruple (in 2005 dollars) what it was after WWII
  • the g a p between the wealthiest 1% of the population and the remaining 99% has never been worse since the Great Depression of 1929.
  • … more …

On top of that, we send billions in campaign donations to the very same irresponsible incumbent politicians that keep using and abusing us, fueling the partisan warfare, pitting American against American, distracting us with one detractor, or another, keeping voters whipped up into a frenzy about issues, but rarely solving any problems. Hence, problems grow in number and severity, and an economic meltdown is not at all hard to fathom if things keep goin’ the way they’re goin’ .

Posted by: d.a.n at May 11, 2006 5:01 PM
Comment #147347


When inserting pics wouldn’t it look better and save bandwidth here at watchblog if you used thumbnails? It’s not hard to do.

Posted by: gergle at May 11, 2006 5:44 PM
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I agree with gergle. If you have a series of diagrams you want to show, why don’t you just build a separate Web page for them and link to it instead of embedding them directly? It’s easy to do, as you’ve already demontrated by the special page you’ve put together in honor of me: Lies About Me and Name-Calling By Charles Wager


Check it out and see if you agree. I especially like how d.a.n. paraphrased some of my comments. Please be sure to click through to the archived blog and read some of my comments in their original form and in their actual context, so you can see what I mean.

Posted by: Charles Wager at May 11, 2006 7:58 PM
Comment #147402

Hey D.a.n. How do you function with all these folks chewing on your ankles?

I see zero tolerance and zero understanding from these people. Can’t they feel your pain?

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 11, 2006 9:05 PM
Comment #147404

I’m a legend in my own mind. And I haven’t been somber in weeks.

And, you know I’m going to say it, RT16A.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 11, 2006 9:09 PM
Comment #147409

I’ve tried to figure out Weary Willie and I just have to deduce he’s Weird.

Posted by: ray at May 11, 2006 9:21 PM
Comment #147410

We may have paid for a better Government but we sure dont deserve it. We have got exactly what we deserve. “First time-shame on you, Second time- shame on me”. We re-elected the majority of this mess. We actually beleived than W was the best person to run the Country, after the first 4 years! Yes we deserve this.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 11, 2006 9:22 PM
Comment #147417

I beleive that,by and large,most of the people on the street type voters, vote on issue that are 20 years old. When I talk with older (50 to 65) people its abortion, guns, welfare and that damned liberal media, still to this day. They may be upset over illegal immigration now because it hits home for a lot of people, but massive debt, corporate welfare, civil liberties etc dont come up. Of course most of the people I talk to are Ditto heads and Fox news types.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 11, 2006 9:43 PM
Comment #147429

Abortion started out as Population Control, Gotta’ Save The Planet!. Guns get in the way of a government’s complete control. Welfare is buying of votes. The liberal media is perpetuating it all.

Big Government ends up with Massive Debt, corporate welfare and …
Civil liberties? Are they the gateway towards doing what ever you want? (anarchy)

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 11, 2006 10:18 PM
Comment #147430

My girlfriend has a twinkle in her eye when she said I’m weard.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 11, 2006 10:19 PM
Comment #147435

Think about this.

The President is elected by the majority of the entire United States. He is the Commander in Chief. He is the spokesman for this nation among all other nations. The entire country elects one President.

Each State elects 2 senators. So far we have 100 of them. They each represent a state, a part of this union.

I believe the President, elected by the 50 states, should have a dominate and decided roll in foriegn policy and the elected officials of the 50 states should stand behind him.

They should not be taking pot shots at every turn. They should not be waging a media campaign designed to undermine his power thru inuendo and speculation and opinion. He is in his office to serve a purpose.

He is responsible for the lives of every citizen in this country. Doesn’t that carry some weight? He is not leading a police action or a border dispute. He is waging a war, a protracted war against people who think they can just blow us up and we will surrender.

I grew up watching planes getting blown up and people getting thrown overboard and criminals causing distruction. I grew up thinking the government was going to do something, anything.

We now have a President with the balls to use the power of this nation to put a stop to this self-distructive behaviour called “terrorism”. I say “hurrah”. I say it’s about time.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 11, 2006 10:57 PM
Comment #147438

Holy crap!

Re: Posted by: Charles Wager at May 11, 2006 07:58 PM

Posted by: womanmarine at May 11, 2006 11:09 PM
Comment #147443

So he’s using these big balls, so what, dont ya think he should use his brain instead. I guess that explains why we have to give up our liberties though.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 11, 2006 11:28 PM
Comment #147476

Well Charles obviously he doesn’t like what you say, other than that I really don’t have a comment.

I actually was refering to using sites like Imageshack to post the pics. It creates a thumbnail for you and allows you to link to that image, thus saving bandwidth and creates a more manageable blog. There are many sites that make this a policy. Large images slow down page loading.

There are many other image handling sites like this, although some are filled with spam. Image,,,, are just a few good image posting sites.

Once you upload your pic they return an HTML or UBB thumbnail link that you can paste into your text.

Posted by: gergle at May 12, 2006 12:57 AM
Comment #147478


I have thought about it, and so did Guys like Jefferson and Adams. They didn’t quite agree with you, nor do I.

Posted by: gergle at May 12, 2006 1:03 AM
Comment #147497

I know! Let’s fight amongst ourselves while “Little Boots” Bush and Darth Cheney destroy:

- The Constitution

- Our Rights

- America

- The World

That way, we’ll be remembered as petty bickering egomaniacs instead of Freedom Fighters.

Posted by: Betty Burke at May 12, 2006 2:04 AM
Comment #147508


“I believe the President, elected by the 50 states, should have a dominate and decided roll in foriegn policy and the elected officials of the 50 states should stand behind him.”

You might want to read this and then make up your mind.

Article 2, section 2 of the Constitution;

“He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.”

Posted by: Rocky at May 12, 2006 2:28 AM
Comment #147538

I’m going to borrow a tip Rocky (I believe it was) once made to me and suggest that you guys just cut to the chase and Get Married!

We’ll have a nice UnCivil Ceremony over in Blue Heaven (you might get Lynched if you tied the knot in the Red Zone!) and you can begin your life of Conjugal Bickering immediately.

Christ! You would think that both of you were Liberal Democrats!

Posted by: Betty Burke at May 12, 2006 4:06 AM
Comment #147602

charles and d.a.n, this spate between the two of you has nothing to do with the topic of this article. Take your personal beefs to private email and quit using WB as your personal oneupmanship bulletin board.

Posted by: WatchBlog Managing Editor at May 12, 2006 11:10 AM
Comment #147671

Weary Willie,

We must never ever forget that we live in a Republic not a dictatorship. The President no matter how many states he is elected by, is not omnipotent; that is not our system of government. Like it or not he has two other branch’s of government and the American people to answer to. Because the country is currently engaged in an UNDECLARED WAR does not mean that the President can do whatever he wishes in the name of national security! The moniker Commander-in-Chief does not have attached to it Constitutional dictated powers he would not enjoy otherwise, unless I am reading the wrong Constitution.

I do not live my life in fear of that this or that terrorist might do today, tomorrow, or next month; I prize my Constitutionally guaranteed rights and freedom more then I do the RIGHT to be safe from life and all of its ill. New Hampshire’s state motto “Live Free or Die” is more than a simple meaningless slogan; it is for me a way of life, as it should be for all thinking, reflective Americans.

Any cursory student of history will inform you that the world has never been free from human strife, and has always been far from safe.

And because we still live in a free society means that elected officials are free to voice their disagreement with the President and heretofore failed policies. They as well as the rest of the country—sans you it seems—are finally coming the realization that the Emperor has no clothes on!

V. Edward Martin

Posted by: V. Edward Martin at May 12, 2006 2:20 PM
Comment #147882

I stand corrected. The president shall faithfully enforce the laws of the land.
That said. What law is broken?

AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth telephone companies began turning over records of tens of millions of their customers’ phone calls to the National Security Agency program shortly after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, USA Today reported, citing anonymous sources it said had direct knowledge of the arrangement
3 communications companys turned over records. No crime there. The records belong to the communications company. They also saw a value in turning over these records. The NSA looked thru them to find suspicious numbers and keywords to find terrorist communications.

I watched a documentary where an American soldier was interviewing an Iraqi national who was contacted by a terrorist with a request to plant an IED. The Iraqi gave the soldier a phone number used to contact the insurgent.

What are they supposed to do with that number? Call it up and ask who was there? I don’t think that would work. They could run it thru the data base provided by the communications companies and get the information that way.

At least they could before this was turned into political weapon against this President.

I find it incredible that this President can do absolutely nothing right. Also I find it incredible that there is no one able to support him visible. I also find it incredible that most of the assertions made are anonymous and most of the people making these assertions claim the President is working in secret and there needs to be investigations to get the facts.

If it were true the President is actually wiretapping individual phone calls why isn’t the evidence leaked with the charge. If I were a whistleblower I wouldn’t walk out in the street to the first reporter I see and tell him the President is breaking the law. I would provide the documentation proving my charge is true. I would also have the conviction to give my name and stand behind my statement.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 13, 2006 12:01 PM
Comment #147884
Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Alabama, argued that the program “is not a warrantless wiretapping of the American people. I don’t think this action is nearly as troublesome as being made out here, because they are not tapping our phones.”
The program does not involve listening to or taping the calls. Instead it documents who talks to whom in personal and business calls, whether local or long distance, by tracking which numbers are called, the newspaper said.
Posted by: Weary Willie at May 13, 2006 12:06 PM
Comment #147885
The companies said Thursday that they are protecting customers’ privacy but have an obligation to assist law enforcement and government agencies in ensuring the nation’s security. “We prize the trust our customers place in us. If and when AT&T is asked to help, we do so strictly within the law and under the most stringent conditions,” the company said in a statement, echoed by the others
Posted by: Weary Willie at May 13, 2006 12:08 PM
Comment #148208

There was some interesting news this weekend. The NSA now says that no “intentional” listening in on domestic calls occurred.

There is supposed to be congresional testimony from an inside source stating that the program is far more broad than being represented by Bush or Hayden.

I have no qualms with spying on Al Qaeda, it’s the lack of oversite that is troublsome. It’s far too convenient for someone to use this as a form of political oppression with out the courts invovled.

Posted by: gergle at May 14, 2006 11:31 PM
Comment #148240

Say, does anybody out there know the Telephone Number to Daniel Ellsberg’s Psychiatrist’s Office? The IRS has been trying to reach him…

Posted by: Betty Burke at May 15, 2006 5:39 AM
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