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Watching the Watchers

The Department of Homeland Security employs Border Patrol agents to guard the United States/Mexican border by arresting illegal aliens and confiscating illegal drugs. Basically, if it’s illegal and on or around the border, the Border Patrol gets involved. To many analysts, pundits and Americans, the Border Patrol is vital to national security and terrorism prevention.

So why is the Border Patrol working with Mexican officials to get illegal aliens across the border under the radar?

Because of the Minutemen. You've heard of them; volunteer American citizens fed up with the government's ineptness and unwillingness to effectively stop the flow of illegal immigration from Mexico. As a result of their presence, the Border Patrol has been sending intelligence to Mexico allowing illegal immigrants to know exactly where the Minutemen are.

According to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Web site, the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants -- and if and when violence is used against border crossers.

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.

"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday.

"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."

Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.

"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.

"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."

Reading this story makes me wonder why we even fund the Border Patrol in the first place when they're revealing the location of volunteers who do nothing more than report alien sightings to the proper authorities.

The "Nobody is Illegal" crowd vilifies the Minutemen volunteers, portraying them as racist and violent, even though despite their outbursts they can't produce any records of Minutemen acting violent toward illegal aliens.

We hear they're a bunch of "heavily armed" gun-toters. And white, really white! But we're not seeing the shootings. We're not seeing the cross burnings. We're not seeing any of the negative embodiment they supposedly represent.

We are however, seeing the effectiveness of the Minutemen, as the higher-ups have been ordering Border Patrol agents to cease arrests in order to keep the Minutemen from "looking good," if you can believe the spitefulness. But they're getting the job done and keeping the illegal immigration issue on the front burner - with or without the backstabbing by the American government.

Posted by Scottie at May 9, 2006 7:50 PM
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If the illegals trying to cross the border can gain this information why wouldnt drug cartels be able to do the same? This boggles the mind. This just has to be a joke.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 9, 2006 10:29 PM
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The only thing I can think of that makes sense is that Vincente Fox has pictures of W doing weird things with little boys.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 9, 2006 10:31 PM
Comment #146720

We must build a wall. That is the only way to ensure our democracy and culture.

Build a Wall.

Posted by: Aldous at May 9, 2006 11:43 PM
Comment #146722

Can’t have the civilians showing up the government, now can we?

Posted by: womanmarine at May 9, 2006 11:50 PM
Comment #146730

Good comments all. Very good point, j2t2. Not only can drug runners use this information to avoid minutement, but also the opposite and cause great harm or injury. This policy is a travesty.

Posted by: Scottie at May 10, 2006 12:22 AM
Comment #146731

Womanmarine, from what I’ve learned the rank-and-file border patrol agent have no problems with the minutemen. They appreciate the help. It’s the higher-ups that don’t want civilians showing up the government.

Posted by: Scottie at May 10, 2006 12:23 AM
Comment #146736

Whoever is in charge of the Border Patrol is a complete idiot.
But then if the Minutemen are more effective than the Border Patrol I can see why it would want to undermine them.
Illegal immigrant have NO rights in this country. So why is the Border Patrol worried about letting anyone know if their rights are violated? And it’s not like the Mexican Government gives a damn about their rights when they’re in Mexico. So why are they all of a sudden so about them concerned when they jump the border?
Illegals are here illegally and the only right they have is to be shipped back to where they came from post haste.

Posted by: Ron Brown at May 10, 2006 12:39 AM
Comment #146749

It’s not so much that the Border Patrol agents are ineffective, it’s that they’re tied down by the bureaucratic red tape. Leadership needs an overhaul.

Posted by: Scottie at May 10, 2006 2:04 AM
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    Ron Brown
says above
Illegal immigrant have NO rights in this country.

This is simply wrong Ron Brown. Illegal immigrants certainly do have rights in this country. Everyone within the borders of the United States is covered to some extent by the rights protected by the US Constitution. I’m not saying that you have to like it, just thst it is true.

It must also be noted that illegal immigrants are afforded some rights by virtue of US membership in international organizations, and by virtue of belonging to treaty organizations. For example, our membership in the UN, and acceptance of the Universal Declaration (sp?) of Human Rights means that all people inside the borders are afforded some minimal rights.

As The Clash would say,

“You have a right not to be killed.

Murder is a CRIME.

Unless it’s done

by a Policeman.

or an Aristocrat.

Know your rights! These are your rights!”

So, like it or not, the world you are part of has accepted the proposition that ALL human beings are HUMAN, and deserve to be treated as such, not as cattle.

Posted by: Gregg Jocoy at May 10, 2006 8:27 AM
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A story appeared just in the last week that Blacks are joining the MinuteMan project as well and being warmly received. Blacks are realizing the strongest competition for many jobs for young blacks is coming from the illegal aliens.

It’s not a white man’s organization anymore, it is an American organization whose efforts I cannot applaud enough! Go MinuteMen & Women, GO! Our government is complicit in funneling illegals to the businesses who lobby them and threaten to withhold campaign contributions if the illegal alien flow is halted. Lou Dobb’s is on the story!

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 10, 2006 9:00 AM
Comment #146775

Ron Brown, Gregg is right. Illegal aliens DO NOT have citizen rights, but, they do under our Constitution, have unalienable human rights. More rights than even American citizens have had in times past, like the Japanese Americans during WWII or Blacks in the South until just a couple decades ago.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 10, 2006 9:03 AM
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The biggest story here however is that where illegal aliens can cross, so can terrorists and criminals. Our government is failing one of its first and primary duties, to protect and defend this country from enemies foreign and domestic. And it is failing due to campaign donations from business interests and agricultural industries and lobbyists. Talk about selling America down the river for money. Government to the highest bidder. That is the truth of the America we are trying to raise our children in today.

I read in the last week that the new Mafia in America is being created under our noses, it is the widespread latino gangs resulting directly from illegal immigration, spreading out in every area of the country and beginning to organize for drugs, prostitution, gambling and turf protection schemes. If we won’t stop drugs from entering our prisons - some of the most controlled facilities in our nation, do you really believe our government is working to stop drugs crossing the border.

The busts we here about are window dressing, cost of doing business. And it is the Executive Branch of Government - the WHITE HOUSE that has the direct responsibility for permitting these breaches of our laws and culture.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 10, 2006 9:14 AM
Comment #146785


Ich bin ein Berliner?

Posted by: gergle at May 10, 2006 9:42 AM
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I think this story exposes, once again, what GW Bush represents: A duplicitous, cynical and corrupt politician.

Posted by: gergle at May 10, 2006 9:46 AM
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Why y’all gotta be hatin’? I don’t see what the big outrage is here.

If a neighboring country that we’re at peace with started deploying armed cowboys on the border between us, we’d probably be a little nervous about the idea, no? So a little reassurance between governments is a necessary remedy in such cases.

Personally, I don’t have anything against the Minutemen, but I think the whole thing’s a waste of time. It’s like fixing a broken dam with a Band-Aid — it won’t work. Until you address the reasons that the immigrants are crossing the border, you’ll never be able to stop them from doing so. Demand begets supply.

Posted by: Rob Cottrell at May 10, 2006 9:54 AM
Comment #146806
We hear they’re a bunch of “heavily armed” gun-toters. And white, really white! But we’re not seeing the shootings. We’re not seeing the cross burnings. We’re not seeing any of the negative embodiment they supposedly represent.

Umm… Perhaps we’re not seeing it because the Mexican’s have information allowing them to avoid the gun-toters.

Posted by: American Pundit at May 10, 2006 10:27 AM
Comment #146869

AP, the gun toters don’t shoot on sight. Hence, little to avoid.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 10, 2006 12:41 PM
Comment #147131

Everyone has the right to life unless they commit murder. That’s a given.
However illegals don’t have any Constitutional rights. They aren’t here legally and they aren’t citizens, yet.

Posted by: Ron Brown at May 11, 2006 12:42 AM
Comment #147164

Ron Brown, our Declaration of Independence stipulates human rights are the province of all people regardless of citizenship status. It says “that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness…”

The Constitution sets out due processes in which, under proscribed circumstances, the government may in fact deprive persons of life, liberty, and their pursuit of happiness.

The Constitution sets out in the Preamble that : “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

Note the words “to ourselves and our posterity”.

It does not say to the people’s of the world and their posterity.

So, human rights are posited by our Declaration to all peoples regardless of citizenship status, but, Constitutional rights are reserved for the citizens of our nation and their progeny. These were the original intents of our founding fathers.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 11, 2006 9:06 AM
Comment #147223


You’re right — our rights are endowed by the Creator, but the Constitution only protects the rights of American citizens.

But you’re forgetting about international treaties (which, according to Article VI of the US Consitution, are the supreme law of the land).

Specifically applicable here is the “Declaration on the Human Rights of Individuals Who are not Nationals of the Country in which They Live”, which was ratified by the UN General Assembly in 1985. It states specific rights that non-citizens have, whether they are legal immigrants or illegal immigrants. Such righs are listed in Article 5 as follows:

(a) The right to life and security of person; no alien shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest or detention; no alien shall be deprived of his or her liberty except on such grounds and in accordance with such procedures as are established by law;

(b) The right to protection against arbitrary or unlawful interference with privacy, family, home or correspondence;

(c) The right to be equal before the courts, tribunals and all other organs and authorities administering justice and, when necessary, to free assistance of an interpreter in criminal proceedings and, when prescribed by law, other proceedings;

(d) The right to choose a spouse, to marry, to found a family;

(e) The right to freedom of thought, opinion, conscience and religion; the right to manifest their religion or beliefs, subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health or morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others;

(f) The right to retain their own language, culture and tradition;

(g) The right to transfer abroad earnings, savings or other personal monetary assets, subject to domestic currency regulations.

Posted by: Rob Cottrell at May 11, 2006 11:18 AM
Comment #147367

I liked this post. An informative and rapid exchange of thought. I liked it alot.

I also wonder why the Minutemen are being undermined.
I don’t understand why the border states can’t protect their own borders with the national guard of that state and in so doing, by default protect the border from illegal border crossing!

Anyone care to lend a thought on that subject?

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 11, 2006 7:26 PM
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Weary Willie,

I don’t understand why the border states can’t protect their own borders with the national guard of that state and in so doing, by default protect the border from illegal border crossing!

Simple — MONEY. It costs money to deploy troops. Most states either can’t afford to spend that money, or would rather push it off on the Federal government.

That’s why the Minutemen program started — since it’s all volunteer effort, it doesn’t cost the states a lot to maintain it.

Posted by: Rob Cottrell at May 11, 2006 9:35 PM
Comment #147890

The states could bill the federal government for the work being done. It is the federal government’s responsibility after all.
Those businesses who hire illegal immigrants could be fined for thier complicity in this problem.
The citizens of those states could fill out their tax forms on Apr. 15th and not send in the money stating it is being used to defend the borders.

Lots of inventive solutions are at hand if we the people were in charge and not just sheep waiting for the federal government to do it for us.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 13, 2006 12:23 PM
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