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The Wrath of the Republican Right, or Bush Gets a Spanking

I wonder, I muse, and I ponder as Bush’s approval ratings sink to an all time low, approaching Nixon territory, whether or not those who voted for Bush in the last election are now having gross buyer’s remorse? It is so very evident, despite the less then rosy just released job numbers, and Bull market, that America is heading in the wrong direction with Bush at the helm.

The list of troubles vexing the American Republic are long and growing as the Republican led Congress and Republican led (and I use the term led very loosely--I always feel the need to qualify that pronouncement) Executive branch continue to fiddle while the all America burns as a result of their staggering and criminal incompetence. The illegal immigration issue and ever-looming energy crisis are just the latest problems the Republicans have failed to address in a meaningful and intelligent manner resulting a further mortgaging of our countries future, and a further decline in America’s standing as the lone Superpower and "can-do" nation.

And now the Conservative Right is angry at Bush (and the Congress) because he has failed time and again to deliver up the nation and its laws on a silver platter fashioned from the pages of the Holy Bible. According to the Associated Press "[A]ngry conservatives are driving the approval ratings of President Bush and the GOP-led Congress to dismal new lows, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that underscores why Republicans fear an Election Day massacre."

We the American people can only hope (and pray) for such a massacre because the country cannot take much more of this mediocrity masquerading as leadership offered up by the Republican Party. Not that the Democratic Party has much more to offer in the way of leadership, but at least the Republicans with their ill-informed allegiance to the denizens of the Holy Spirit land, will be out of control of our (supposedly) free society. And then perhaps, just perhaps common sense will return to government and the people we elect to do our business, you know We The People--can get down to it and address some of the issue that threaten our nations viability.

But until that happens I am enjoying the spanking Bush is getting in the hearts and minds of those who would see most of us relegated to Hell in order to build their fantasy based utopia here in America, or is that the other way around?

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Posted by V. Edward Martin at May 7, 2006 10:24 AM
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Comment #146016

I think this comes to the impossible convergence of the religious and the pro-business. You can talk about helping both, but at some point one or the other has to give, and I don’t see the business sector all up in arms.

I know it’s easy to take what we see in this Administration and apply it to the REP party as a whole, but it’s not really that way. I do think there are very religious people within the REP party… as well as truly financially conservative people. The problem with focusing on either of there group’s need is that it takes the willingness to loose your job as an elected official in order to do what is necessary - i.e. anti-abortion or balance the budget. I do not see much in the way of leadership on the other side of either argument, but they are not in power, so they haven’t had to face the either/or decision.

As far as this Administration goes - I think anyone who looks back over the past 5+ years could come to any other conclusion than Bush is very much pro-corporation, pro-oil, pro-military industry… and that leaves very little room for religion. You could hardly look at his track record and say that he leads by his religion - I’m pretty sure war is not a Christian value. (Or, at least it’s not that way with true Christians… very few of those.)

I do think that the Bush Administration (by way of removing the REP control of Congress) should be removed from power, they have become too corrupt and ineffectual. The problem then becomes how do we prevent the following government from again taking us voters for granted?

First, I think that any politician that claims to have a mandate from the people, when less than 70% of the people actually vote, should be immediately be put under suspicion.

Also, any elected official who decides to put their own benefit/gain above America’s benefit should be removed from office, even if their actions are not specifically illegal. I know this will mean that we will continue to vote out politicians for some time to come - but let’s look at it as parents of a troubled teen. Yes, correcting their behavior will take a long-term focus and commitment, and it will get ugly, but that’s the job we’ve laid out before us. Had we corrected the problem earlier, we would face a much easier battle, but then again, Americans have never been much for long-range thinking. We like the easy road, and we now have to pay for that.

Basically, it seems to me that we must remove the Political Party psyche from our (We the People’s) political thinking. We must start looking at politics from the benefit of us as a whole, and that might mean that we relinquish our cherished special interests, at least for the time being. While gay rights, abortion, prayer in school… all these elicit strong opinions and devotion… they rarely effect our daily lives. We need to focus on the general operations of our country - and what’s best for Americans as a whole - and let the more sexy topics play out on Jerry Springer.

Posted by: tony at May 7, 2006 11:35 AM
Comment #146022

I suppose things have been more dire in past times, but there are very good reasons why people are concerned.

I just hope voters eventually learn to stop repeat offenders by not continually re-electing the very same bought-and-paid for, irresponsible, FOR-SALE, do-nothing incumbent politicians (Democrats and Republicans alike).

Voters are just letting them take turns.
Voters got fed up in the late eighties and early nineties, and took the majority away from the Democrats. Now, the voters are preparing to take the majority away from the Republicans.

Been there!
Done that!
It ain’t workin’ is it ?

Politicans have sold us out.
They don’t care about the nation.
They are too busy gettin’ theirs.
They got golden parachutes.
Their only concern is getting re-elected.
They reject all common-sense reforms.
This is why the nation is in decline.
How far can it decline?
It looks like we’re going to find out, since voters keep re-electing the very same irresponsible incumbnet politicians that use and abuse them.

Voters are so afraid that the other party will get the upper hand, that they haven’t noticed that incumbent politicians of both parties are using and abusing them.

Voters are so fond of wallowing in the petty partisan warfare, that they have failed to notice that incumbent politicians of both parties have sold them out.

Voters are so easily distracted, the they haven’t noticed that incumbent politicians have squandered the future of the nation, and created a number of ponzi schemes to rip off the American tax payers.

Voters are so easily distracted, the they haven’t noticed that incumbent politicians are pitting them (the voters) against each other, while the politicians fill their own pockets, and vote themselves raises and cu$hy perk$.

Voters are getting their own just desserts for their own negligence and ignorance.

When the $#!+ finally hits the fan, the irresponsible incumbent politicans won’t suffer. The average American will suffer.
Perhaps that’s the way it should be.
Otherwise, how will voters ever learn?

Posted by: d.a.n at May 7, 2006 1:39 PM
Comment #146023

tony,
I couldn’t agree more.
Education is needed.
Voters just aren’t gettin’ it.
Politicians are simply doing what comes natural to humans.

Posted by: d.a.n at May 7, 2006 1:43 PM
Comment #146024
I know it’s easy to take what we see in this Administration and apply it to the REP party as a whole, but it’s not really that way.

Bush’s policies and decisions directly reflect this generation’s conservative philosophy. His spending to reduce our savings and reorganizing of government agencies like FEMA were driven by the conservative belief that federal government should be shrunk and have little to no role in American lives. His invasion of Iraq, in part, was driven by the conservative belief that Reagan proved dictatorships can be easily toppled. His support for government sponsored religion is a natural progression of the Republican parties support for prayer in school and pro-life policies.

Bush is a Republican. To suggest Bush and his crew are just a handful of deviants who were accidentally put in charge is insulting, like when Bush suggests that just a handful of deviant soldiers tortured prisoners at Abu Ghraib. It’s a way of avoiding responsibility and having to take a hard look at the beliefs and decisions of the party.

I have no idea how people will vote in the near future. I would have said in the past that given the Republican record there would be no way for them to be voted in again, but the past 6 years have really shaken my faith in this country’s common sense.

Posted by: Max at May 7, 2006 1:46 PM
Comment #146033

Max -

I agree that there are far more than just a few bad apples… but I know that there are REPs out there who do not hold with the current Administrations direction. I hope that they can do a lot of house cleaning in the near future. I do not agree with much of their religious/socially conservative ideals, but that’s OK… kind of the way it’s suppose to be.

I do agree that the mindset that continues to support and vote for Bush rattles my hope for common sense as well. I knew for a fact - after spending the day canvassing for Kerry - at 5pm on the way home we had won that election. I was down right giddy. … and then the long dark tunnel of depression set in.

My motto was: never under estimate the power of a large group of stupid people.

That’s not a really good motto for making things better - just for making things a lot less like THEM.

It seems like we’ve been engaged in one of the most civil civil wars. We are polite to each other - sometimes, and we are agree to allow each other to exist… but there are 2 distinct groups battling for control of this country, and the leaders of each group want it that way.

Can we avoid following the political party leader’s leads - stop slinging mud at each other and maybe throw at the political leaders instead. There are a lot of people living not so very good lives - and I’m pretty sure every politician has a very nice, comfortable life. I’d like to try and take control of the situation… and STRONGLY remind the politicians of who they work for.

Posted by: tony at May 7, 2006 2:54 PM
Comment #146046
tony wrote: … .but there are 2 distinct groups battling for control of this country, and the leaders of each group want it that way.

Absolutely. They accomplish it by fueling partisan warfare. How many people do you know that proclaim to be Republican, or Democrat?
Bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians like it that way, and perpetuate it by fueling the partisan warfare, by pitting Americans against each other.

Too many Amercains fall for it, get used, and abused, and then return to re-elect the ones doing it to them.

So, why should incumbent politicians change when they can do what ever they like, and voters keep re-electing them, and sending them money to keep getting re-elected ?

Americans have not yet discovered that most incumbent politicians are cheaters.
Incumbent politicians are just doing what most of us would do in their place.
Power corrupts, absolutely.
And the corruption grows worse and worse.
No common-sense reforms can be passed, because corrupt incumbent politicians always outnumber well-meaning newcomers. Newcomers soon give in to the corruption, temptations, and laziness. The system breeds corruption.
Only the voters can change it now, but the voters are just as lazy.
Voters won’t do anything until it is too late and the pain of their negligence makes their lives miserable and painful.
Pain and misery can lead to reform, or more chaos.
The longer corruption is allowed to grow, the more risky things will be later.
Reforms may not be possible without rebellion or revolution.

The fact is, the voters have the one thing, right under their noses, to remedy the situation.
The voters have their votes.
However, at this time, voters are still too brainwashed to do the right thing.
Voters are more worried about the other party, and oblivious to the fact that most incumbents in all parties are essentially worthless.

Most likely, the pain and miser that will possible drive change and reform will come when the next economic meltdown occurs.

That economic meltdown may not be fare off , based on the way things are going now .

Posted by: d.a.n at May 7, 2006 5:30 PM
Comment #146047

I think this gets to the heart of the “well, you guys did it too” argument/deflection. How the HELL can anyone logically explain away corruption and mis-management simply because the other side has done it in the past. WHY should any of us accept this as the norm… how can anyone be satisfied with the bar set so pathetically low?

We should demand to be amazed at what our politicians do for us. we are an exceptional country with exceptional resources, why should be tolerant of such pathetic performances? Because they’re members of “my” party? HELL NO! Especially if they represent your beleifs, you should be the first to send them packing. People who I do not agree with do not surprise me by acting so selfish, but those who I relate with - those who say they will represent me… ARE DOING A PISS POOR JOB! GET THE HELL OUT! (and please, can we dispense with the “let’s wait until they’re convicted in a court of law” defense.) If they are so aggregious that they are brought up on charges - they need to go it alone and let us run the country without the interference they cause.

Next time you someone bitches about the government and “those politicians” - before you say “they’re all crooks” - remember who hired them.

Posted by: tony at May 7, 2006 5:43 PM
Comment #146067

The real question is: has the “democratic” system become so corrupted by corporate and plutocratic interests that it is incapable of restoring itself to some semblance of ethical and moral action—action that works within the Constitutional framework?

That a simple, undevious plan to have public financing of all federal elections has not been forthcoming in the last 25 years is, to my mind, symtomatic of a far more serious degradation of democratic values. That proven corruption of Constitutional government for individual gain doesn’t have capital punishment attached to it indicates to me that we aren’t serious about constitutional government.An economic collapse via the plunging of the dollar and the end of cheap oil is an opportunity to thoroughly discredit the capitalist system the way it is working now—to the benefit of the elite, and to the detriment of the workers.

Anything short of radical, and complete rejection of corporatist fascism that has deomocracy enthrall now is worthless. Voting out incumbents within a system that is obviously badly compromised is a waste of time.

Posted by: Tim Crow at May 7, 2006 9:35 PM
Comment #146071
… the bar set so pathetically low

Yep. Extremely low, and getting lower.

Next time you hear someone bitches about the government and “those politicians”, before you say “they’re all crooks”, remember who hired them.

Yep. We did. We keep re-electing them, and then we act amazed when they are so irresponsible.

The solution is extremely simple.
Vote out irresponsible incumbents, always.

However, it’s easier said than done, because too many voters are apparently:

  • (1) masochists,

  • (2) or brainwashed,

  • (3) or ignorant,

  • (4) or stupid,

  • (5) or crazy,

  • (6) or lazy,

  • (7) or all of the above.

  • (8) or a combination of one or more of the above,

Which is it ?

Too many voters keep re-electing their tormentors. That sounds (1) masochistic. No? It’s like voters are all walkin’ around with “kick me” signs on their back. It often appears that voters apparently like to be abused. No ?

Or, perhaps they are (2) brainwashed ?
That would also explain a lot too.
No matter what, they keep doing what the incumbent politicians want them to do, as if programmed, No ? Brainwashing is definitely a part of the problem. People have been bombarded with propaganda to lead them to believe their congress person fignts for them (the voters). There is nothing further from the truth. Most (if not all) incumbent politicians have succumbed to the temptations and corruption. We are witnessing the corruption. Even when they get caught red-handed, they get pardons, like the 140 felons released by Bill Clinton (some of which had pled guilty). And, it will naturally grow worse and worse, while crooked politicians continue to fill their own pockets, and brainwashed voters continue to re-elect the very same crooks that use and abuse them. But, could the brainwashing possibly be rooted in a more fundamental problem? Probably.

If not, then perhaps they are (3) ignorant ?
Well, that would explain a lot wouldn’t it ?
There’s no rhyme nor reason for what ignorant people do.
But, how could so many people be that ignorant ? Ignorance is not like stupidity. Ignorance is largely a lack of education (not stupidity; i.e. a lack of intelligence). And in a nation with a GDP of $12 trillion, the ignorance is not a result of poverty. So, perhaps ignorance is also rooted in a more fundamental problem ?

Or, perhaps they are … uuuhhhhmmmmm … (4) stupid ?
That would explain a lot too, but not everyone can be that stupid. There’s got to be another reason.

Or, perhaps they are (5) crazy ?
You know what they say about doing the same thing, repeatedly, and expecting a different result ? But, that doesn’t quite make sense. Most of us can’t be crazy. There’s got to be another reason.

Or, perhaps they are (6) lazy ?
Now, at first, it does not seem as if it could be that simple. However, it makes a lot of sense if you think about it. People seek security and prosperity with the least effort and pain. Nothing wrong with that, until the path becomes unethical or illegal. Opportunity creates temptation. Congress is full of temptations. Voters, due to laziness, fail to think it through. They want heroes and leaders to figure it all out for them. Voters, due to laziness, relinquished their duty and turned the reigns over to politicians, deluding themselves that they would be responsible and accountable. But, that’s not how it works. Some voters don’t even bother to vote. Therefore, laziness explains a lot. It is also at the root of (2) brainwashing and (3) ignorance.

Almost all bad things are rooted in laziness.

Therefore, the final prognosis is:

  • (6)
  • Until a few years ago, I was one of those. Yeah, as embarrassing as it is, I used to be a Republican and also wallowed in the petty partisan warfare, and fell (hook, line, and sinker) for the lies that Democrats were the problem.

    All lies. Because the problem was neither Democrats or Republicans.
    It was all the cheaters and brainwashed voters of all parties. So, parties have nothing to do with it. Nothing at all. The problem is with a majority of us all. Unfortunately, some people do realize all of this, the smart ones … but they are sadly outnumbered by the brainwashed and ignorant.

    That all sounds brutal, but it is not said with malice.

    It is simply the truth.

    And, we’ll never resolve our problems until we all learn the truth, learn how to build transparency into our governments, organizations, and societies to adequately account for the human factor: laziness

    If we never adequately design our systems to account for the human factor, they will always deteriorate. Some people through the centuries have understood this very well, and tried to build in checks-and-balances. But, the voters have neglected to maintain sufficient levels of Education, Transparency, and Accountability required to prevent the Cheaters that are always striving to circumvent or pervert the rules and laws for self-gain and legal plunder.

    Education is needed to understand how the root problem (laziness):

    • works for irresponsible incumbent politicians (cheaters),
    • works against voters.

    Politicians have Power by virtue of their office. Power coupled with laziness yields Corruption, because cheaters can simply create more opportunities for self-gain by simply do nothing, or breeding chaos. Cheaters also get paid hand$omely while doing it on the job, giving themselves more unfair advantage$, and making their incumbency more Secure and cu$hy.

    The voters’ laziness works against them, because their lack of motivation to observe and monitor politicians, and go vote out irresponsible incumbents (always) takes time and effort for the voters, and voters don’t get paid for their time or effort. Also, it requires time and effort for the voters to maintain sufficient levels of Education, Transparency, and Accountability.

    Therefore, corrupt incumbent politicians have many unfair advantages.

    Ultimately, if voters want reforms bad enough, voters can restore a balance of power between government and the people, by simply doing the one simple thing voters were supposed to be doing all along.

    Voters will most likely do it some day, when the pain and misery of their own lazieness and negligence finally becomes too hard to ignore.

    Unfortunately, it will be too late to avoid the unnecessary pain and misery.

    Tim Crow wrote: Voting out incumbents within a system that is obviously badly compromised is a waste of time.

    I disagree.

    The system consists of irresponsible incumbent politicians. The remedy is to remove most (or all). That takes time, and the voters will eventually do it when their pain and miser level motivate them to do so. History shows us that. It repeats itself over and over. The sad part is that voters don’t do it sooner.

    Posted by: d.a.n at May 7, 2006 10:12 PM
    Comment #146073

    The corruption and compromising of democratic values has escalated in the past 30 years. Corruption of the system is part and parcel of the system now. You can vote until the cows come home, friend, they have co-opted the process so that it doesn’t matter. It hasn’t mattered for some time now.

    That we’re peddling democracy to the great unwashed outside our borders makes the irony of it all even more laughable.

    Posted by: Tim Crow at May 7, 2006 10:23 PM
    Comment #146083

    Tim, why then, do you still choose to live in America? I mean if you have no hope that anyone can improve this decline of democratic, economic, and political standards, why do are you still here? Even rats have the good sense to abandon a sinking ship.

    Posted by: David R. Remer at May 7, 2006 11:31 PM
    Comment #146093

    I am here to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. I also want to see the metaphorical looks on people’s faces when their cherished dreams of the American dream turns into a nightmare.

    I am here to point out just those facts to people—I am here to tell the status quo that it’s not working, hasn’nt been working for some time, and that it’s time to seriously consider alternatives. I am here to facilitate the change. Change has been co-opted by the government—it’s time to change the government—not by changing it’s clothes, but changing its guts.

    I choose to live here because I am an American and I’m tired of my country being debased by some schmarmy, faux democracy that thinks mere “elections” are going to change things. I’m not in it for middle-of-the-road, feel-good, American-flag-whipping-in-the-background Madison Avenue patriotism, the one that sells SUVs, cheeseburgers, free enterprise, and folksy-pols that will drink a beer with you today and cut your throat tommrrow.

    I am here to cause as much trouble to the corrupt powers that be that my small mind can think of. Their bleats of a constructive, creative version of change is another way of telling the American people to sit down and shut up. I will do neither—and I’m not leaving, either.

    Posted by: Tim Crow at May 8, 2006 12:06 AM
    Comment #146109

    Tim, if voting will not change things, then what do your propose? A dictator to take control of the military and force the people to accept a government that works as you think it should?

    Voting out incumbents seeks change in legal non violent manner. What is your alternative? So, far, you have not ennumerated any except the “bitch and moan” one.

    Posted by: David R. Remer at May 8, 2006 2:49 AM
    Comment #146112

    Our current president, when asked by a reporter to divulge his proudest moment in office answered this:

    You know, I’ve experienced many great moments and it’s hard to name the best, Bush told weekly Bild am Sonntag when asked about his high point since becoming president in January 2001.

    I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound (3.402 kilos) perch in my lake,” he told the newspaper in an interview published on Sunday.

    What an asshole.

    Posted by: Max at May 8, 2006 3:00 AM
    Comment #146114

    “What is your alternative?”

    Education, and persistance—with massive civil disobedience. A constant putting before the people the failure of the system and the discussion of alternatives. Always the being open to alternatives. Socialism? Elimination of corporations? All of it should “be on the table” to steal a phrase from one of our corporate shills. It will be a long and hard road. Working within the system has never produced meaningful change—never. It has taken civil disobedience, the challanging of power, bloodshed. Always.

    Nothing of any real import has come from towing the line, being a good citizen, working to make our “betters” happy—they are the problem.

    “Bitching and moaning” is always the beginning of any meaningful change.

    What this boils down to, David, is whether a person believes this system of ours is capable of radical, non-violent change that is needed to face the challenges that are in front of us. Most of the problems we face are endemic to the system—in other words, the inability of the system to respond to human need and suffering, the greed and corruption, the flounting of the rule of law, the unwillingness to self-correct and respond to challenge.

    Things have gotten dramatically worse in the past 20-25 years—the system is choking on its own waste.

    Unlike you, I am not adverse, if massive civil disobedience for a more responsive government fails, in advocating other forms of governmental change. We are slowly heading in that direction anyway.

    Voting in this country has been co-opted—the entrenched plutocracy is not even bothering to hide it anymore. Even if the Republicans lose massively in November, there is absolutely no indication that the Democrats will be responsive to the majority of Americans who want the troops out of Iraq, that want National Health Insurance, that want some assurances that the economy is serving noone but the very wealthy.

    If for nothing else, if the powers that be feel a sense of unease just because there are people like me who are not adverse in considering “optional” modes of regime change, we have served our purpose.

    Your method of change, incremental, non-violent, within the system, is one option. It’s important to have other options available when the system is as recalcitrant as this one.

    Posted by: Tim Crow at May 8, 2006 3:29 AM
    Comment #146126

    Tim Crow,

    Much of what you say is true.
    I agree that government is corrupt and out of control.
    I’ve pondered all of the same things.

    Revolution is not out of the question.
    If all else fails, that is the default result.
    Unfortunately, things are not always better afterward.

    But, before we resort to that, why not try to educate voters first? By simply doing the one simple, logical, non-partisan, responsible thing voters were supposed to be doing all along?

    If that fails, then revolution will probably follow any way.

    Personally, what I’d like to see is voters to start voting out all do-nothing, FOR-SALE, bought-and-paid-for, self-serving, irresponsible incubment politicians, always.

    At this point in time, most (if not all) in congress are irresponsible.

    That is why no one can list 10, 20, 50, or even 268 incumbents (half of the 535) in Congress) that:

    • do not vote irresponsibly for pork-barrel (while our troops risk life and limb, go without body armor, armor for vehicles, and adequate medical and health care) ?

    • do not vote themselves cu$hy perks and raises (e.g. such as the extravagant retirement plans, funded by tax-payers) ?

    • do not ignore problems for fear of risking re-election or defying their big-money-donors ?

    • do not prevent newcomers from passing badly-needed, common-sense, no-brainer, responsible reforms ?

    • do not tempt, pressure, and threaten newcomers with the loss of party support if the newcomers don’t accept the status quo ?
    • do not pander ?

    • do not peddle influence and accept money from big-money-donors ?

    • do not fuel the petty partisan warfare that distracts the nation from our many pressing problems ?

    • do not spend a great deal of time and tax-payers’ money (via allowances) trolling for money for their campaign war-chests ?

    • do not abuse their allowances (provided by tax-payers) to retain their cu$hy, coveted seats of power ?

    • do not look the other way ?

    • genuinely embrace campaign finance reform, election reform, tax reform, or any reform that will create more transparent, accountable, and responsible government, even if it diminishes their opportunities for personal gain ?

    • are fiscally responsible ?

    • deserve to retain their cu$hy, coveted, and prized seats of power ?

    One thing all voters could start doing is helping to education others, by educating others about the behavior of their congress persons.

    Posted by: d.a.n at May 8, 2006 5:45 AM
    Comment #146127
    Education, and persistance, with massive civil disobedience. A constant putting before the people the failure of the system and the discussion of alternatives. Always the being open to alternatives.
    I could not agree more, except with the massive civil disobedience. It should remain an option, but an option of last resort. Why? Because too many voters do not even care (78 million of 200 million). The other 122 million are still re-electing their tormentors. There are other alternatives. One obvious alternative is to stop repeat offenders … stop re-electing them. Try that first. Posted by: d.a.n at May 8, 2006 5:57 AM
    Comment #146135

    David: “…why do are you still here? Even rats have the good sense to abandon a sinking ship.”

    I’m surprised that you’d let someone’s despair trigger a reaction like this. Where else can you fight if not on the battlefield? I had someone recently email me with something similar - they said I should move to France where people think like I do. It’s insulting to tell someone that their dissent should be carried out elsewhere, when THIS is the country where it belongs.

    I have one message from now until the electorate is restored, and that is: DO NOT USE COMPUTERIZED VOTING MACHINES! If no punchcard or markable ballet will be supplied to you, then ask for a write-in ballot. If they refuse, CALL THE POLICE! It is unlawful for any polling center to restrict the accessibility of your voting rights. Do Not Trust ANY Computers!

    All we have is our right to vote, and if you all allow this right to be marginalized, then the only option we have remaining is FORCE. An uprising over the accessibility of voting options will cause a civil war - make no mistake about it. However, if civil war it takes, then be prepared to fight the cops because that’s the most immediate thing you’ll see. You’ll know that our republic has reached it testing point when the cops start searching every home on your block. Before they get to you, be prepared to travel for several days away from the cities. God, I hope it doesn’t come to this.

    I have a feeling that this November is going to put our voting rights to the test, and if that happens, you’ll see major protests, I assure you. If the incumbents remain in power unequivocally this year, watch as the major news outlets try to distract us from the problem that we all know exists. Watch as they fan the flames of democrat VS republican nonsense the whole way through. Watch as they run through the plethora of stories until they have successfully diminished the major news and lead the masses away towards ignorance. But don’t just watch this time!

    If it takes quitting our jobs or telling our bosses to hold it for a while, then so be it. I’m ready for it, and you all should start thinking about this too. Find people that you trust and stay in contact with them. Help each other plan for a worst-case-scenario. Just like the plan to evacuate your home in case of a fire, you should also have a plan to fight for your survival against a worse-case-scenario government action.

    If you cannot leave the major cities, then make a plan for smuggling yourself through major transportation systems. Otherwise, be ready for incarceration, because this is the battleground of the very near furture. They will begin their terrorist hunts in the most populated ares of the country.

    And if our country stoops to this kind of in-fighting, be prepared for attacks from without. Nations like China and Russia would be keen to exploit our weak spots … especially during our weak moments, and extra-especially if they were to form an alliance, which is beginning to come into fruition.

    Be Aware America! The dream is wrapping up for most of us, and we should all see it coming. If you know someone currently serving in the military or specialized policed units, then try to get them on your side. I think maybe the only thing that will stump the coming civil war is the moral conscience of our trained tactical forces - otherwise, we’d be fighting a vastly superior force of killing machines. Ma, Pa, keep you kids human please … for the sake of our democracy.

    “We cannot properly enforce a law which cannot be enforced - which the American people do not want enforced” —Fiorello Enrico LaGuardia

    Posted by: Bill Courtney at May 8, 2006 7:50 AM
    Comment #146141

    Bill, it was a question, in response to Tony’s previous complaints absent any recommendations for solution. My words were not intended to say he should leave America. I despise that kind of logic as well, too oft heard from the conservative “right”.

    In context with my other words written, the question was if he has no hope of anything changing, why is he still here? A legitimate and rational question requesting a legitimate answer.

    I absolutely agree on the Electronic Voting machines without a paper trail.

    As for your and Tony’s discussion of civil conflict or revolution in America, all I can say is, we have been there before, and done that before. You are both right to point out that it can happen again. It concerns me to no end that Bush is planning on putting a military 4 star general at the head of our civilian intelligence agencies. These are the kind of steps a dicator or communist government takes, along with secret surveillance and undercover infiltration of American groups like Quakers opposed to the Iraq war on religious grounds.

    Posted by: David R. Remer at May 8, 2006 8:10 AM
    Comment #146142

    Tony, thank you for your detailed responses. It is clear you do have ideas and plans on how to turn America around for the better. That is what I was seeking to accompany the complaints.

    I agree with you, Civil Disobedience and Demonstration may very well be necessary to turn things around in America, especially if the elections don’t appear above board and reflective of the pre-election polls and exit polls.

    For me, however that day has not arrived. So I will continue to advocate for ballot box solutions. The idea of counseling my daughter to stay and fight a civil war in America in this day and age, is however, not acceptable to me as her parent. Not when far greater sanity is only a northern border away.

    Posted by: David R. Remer at May 8, 2006 8:16 AM
    Comment #146144

    David -

    Actually, I not advocating civil war as much as I feel there is a “Civil” civil war already in progress. We attack each other with the bare minimal of information or provocation. It seems we would rather follow our politicians leads rather than question them. I would suggest that we let THEM (politicians) sling the mud while we (The Voters) sit back and try to decipher who, if either, would make an acceptable representative.

    This about it this way - if you daughter was going on a school field trip and when you met the chaperone… and they immediately started bitching and complaining about the OTHER parents… you’d probably immediately question the validity of having this person watching over your child. Why is it the opposite for our government leaders? My immediate reaction when I hear candidates complaining about their opponents is: “Yea, of course you don’t like your opponent, you want their job. Tell me something I don’t know. Prove to me you’re worth a vote.”

    Posted by: tony at May 8, 2006 8:24 AM
    Comment #146148

    “I would suggest that we let THEM (politicians) sling the mud while we (The Voters) sit back and try to decipher who, if either, would make an acceptable representative.”

    What exactly is the difference between this and what already goes on? Your media outlet will not inform you of which candidate is or os not a criminal of some sort, or softer yet, which is less intent on taking your nod to power as a blank check to spend on some kind of glamorous government upgrade for the future of all government-kind? There’s got to be a better way to learn about these people! This is the point in the conversation where I would direct you to VOID (Vote Out Incumbents for Democracy).

    Just ask d.a.n. about any house member and you’ll get the scoop. You may then realize just how little choice we have in the matter of voting.

    Posted by: Bill Courtney at May 8, 2006 8:55 AM
    Comment #146152

    This difference is for us (The Voters) to avoid immediately attacking each other based on the superficial CRAP politicians are slinging. The current batch of politicians and political party mindset wants us to fight among ourselves because it keeps us from solving the actual problem…

    Posted by: tony at May 8, 2006 9:21 AM
    Comment #146157

    tony, more accurately, it keeps us from voting their incumbent asses out of office. Make that past tense. November will be different, I believe.

    Posted by: David R. Remer at May 8, 2006 10:05 AM
    Comment #146160

    David -

    I hope you are right. I will be actively voting the bastards out (with one exception… ( http://vernonrobinson.com/media/miller_mariachi.mp3 ) This guy is the only other option… so can’t let this wacko into office…

    There’s not a 3rd party option (“We got both kinds of politicians - REP & DEM!”)

    Posted by: tony at May 8, 2006 10:26 AM
    Comment #146183
    Tim Crow wrote: I am here to … dreams of the American dream turns into a nightmare.

    I am here to point out … it is time to change the government, not by changing its clothes, but changing its guts.

    I choose to live here because I am an American and I am tired of my country being debased by some schmarmy, faux democracy … today and cut your throat tommrrow.

    I am here to … sit down and shut up. I will do neither—and I’m not leaving, either.

    BTW, I enjoyed reading that.
    I share your concern about our dysfunctional government.
    You understand the problem perfectly.
    Too many don’t have a clue and don’t care to.

    Voters may never use the one simple thing right under their very nose to restore a balance of power (the whole purpose of voting), in which revolution (or worse may eventually result anyway), but there is one really good, peaceful, responsible way voters could start protesting right away, and continue to do so every election … start voting out the irresponsible incumbent politicians every election.
    It is not a once-in-awhile duty.
    It is duty for every election.
    And voters need to take off their partisan blinders, because taking that easy way out (pulling the party voting lever) is how they enable irresponsible incubments to continue to be irresponsible.

    Now make the most of your valuable insight, and help educate other voters, friends, relatives, associates, and bloggers all over the internet … spread the message … because it is the one simple thing we were supposed to be doing all along. Vote responsibly. Vote out irresponsible incumbents always, and implement reforms, and simplifications to facilitate transparency, which will lead to accountability, which will lead to responsibility.

    • Stop Repeat Offenders.
    • Don’t Re-Elect Them !
    Posted by: d.a.n at May 8, 2006 11:42 AM
    Comment #146232

    d.a.n.:

    You and I are not that far apart. I’ve said it before on this blog and I’ll say it again—I honor your efforts, and I hope those efforts will pay off in the long run.

    My concern is that this approach of the center -column folks is one that needs at least a four-to-six election cyle to start seeing results. I don’t know if we have that long. The damage being done by the neocons to the fabric of constitutional government may take a generation of commited citzens to repair. Assuming we are allowed to.

    Bill Courtney’s comments are in keeping with the possible ramifications of NSA surveillance on
    Americans, of Halliburton building massive detention centers “for alternative uses”, the kidnapping and detention of citizens without legal recourse etc. For instance, what if private companies or the government end up taking over the internet? There will be a need to create a network of underground contacts and information that must start outside our front doors.

    Bill’s comments are trenchant—get to know your neighbors, attend city council meetings and neighboorhood meetings. Talk about political and social issues with people—plant those seeds of questioning in them. If the internet, the last bastion of non-MSM information goes down, what would we do as concerned citizens to get the word out, to create a market of ideas and alternative thinking?

    Posted by: Tim Crow at May 8, 2006 1:57 PM
    Comment #146249

    “ramifications of NSA surveillance on Americans”

    Just imagine how much fun we’ll all have once the head of the NSA becomes the head of the CIA.

    Posted by: tony at May 8, 2006 2:53 PM
    Comment #146442

    LOL! Hey Tony! Lookit this:

    May 8, 2006 - The President Nominates Michael Hayden for Director, Central Intelligence:

    Mike knows our intelligence community from the ground up. … He’s the right man to lead the CIA at this critical moment in our nation’s history.”

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/05/20060508.html


    Wayback Machine time…


    August 10, 2004 - The President Nominates Porter Goss for Director, Central Intelligence:

    Porter Goss … knows the CIA inside and out. He’s the right man to lead this important agency at this critical moment in our nation’s history.”

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040810-3.html


    So, my questions are: Is “inside and out” better than “from the ground up”? What about From The Sky Down? Isn’t that where the planes came from? Who’s really “The Right Man?” If it was Goss nineteen months ago, can it really be Hayden now? If it’s really Hayden (now), why was it Goss then? Is it possible that Hayden is Now as Goss was Then? And, if so, who will it be Next? Stay tuned, for another edition of Flip-Flopper In Chief!

    :oD


    David R. Remer wrote:

    The idea of counseling my daughter to stay and fight a civil war in America in this day and age, is however, not acceptable to me as her parent. Not when far greater sanity is only a northern border away.

    How about counselling her to stay and fight a Revolution - you know, like the first one - for America instead?

    As for Canada, what’re you going to do when the Nookewlur War starts under President-For-Life Cheney in 2009?

    Posted by: Betty Burke at May 9, 2006 6:32 AM
    Comment #147293

    First, to clear a couple of things up from back in january postings, Bush and the Republicans have not cut wages and benifits, contray, over the past years since clinton left office every year we have got a raise to get back in line with the private civilian sector, secondly,i dont know of anyone in the military who has been brainwashed to be gop, everyone in a soldiers command from sergeant to sergeant major to general preaches for soldiers to vote on time and vote the way they want to, they dont threaten or sway you either direction, lastly, Iraq did have wmd, maybe not the smoking gun nuclear stockpile everyone wanted, no that was sent across borders before the invasion, but i personally handled thousands of pounds of ammunition of all kinds during my first year there,chemical weapons were everywhere just waiting to be found, you cant have a top general named “Chemical Ali” and not have chemical weapons, which are weapons of mass destruction, luckily we destroyed most of it before the insurgents got to it. this is all straight from the horses mouth experience.
    anyone who has something to post is welcome to e mial me for proof, i love debates, especially when i have seen first hand what i am talking about, have a good day all

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