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Okay, “an anonymous Iraqi official” speaking to an Iranian news source? Sounds like the gospel truth to me.

After tonight, though, I’m guessing this will headline on 60 Minutes next week along with images of George Bush morphing into Darth Vader. What this proves—if we needed any more proof—is that the anti-Bushes will stop at nothing.

No gospel here, just announcing a story circulating on the net. As for who is behind the story and whether it is true or not, appears some of us opposed to Bush’s reelection have a more open mind and wait for corroboration before making up our minds.

Though some of the Bush religious right of course know the truth and don’t need evidence or corroboration getting in their way. They will dismiss it out of hand.

Funny when one thinks about it. Whether it be Clinton and leftie devotee’s or Bush and rightie devotee’s, they would stand behind their man even if he robbed their mother, saying their mother is a liar, and Bush (or Clinton) could, would never do such a thing as what Mom said.

One of the reasons democracy functions so poorly and with lack of accountability in this country. Too many people love to worship their candidate and believe he (she) can do no wrong. They are afterall, just people like you and me. But, we know we are perfect too and above criticism from birth. :-)

Worshipping a candidate would definitely be a problem, David, but “a lack of accountability” cuts both ways.

Some unnamed individual reports to an organ of an anti-American state-controlled press that some other unnamed individual(s) saw somebody unloading something—perhaps WMD materials—at some port in Iraq? Please.

The implication of this story, based on the thinnest evidence imaginable, is treason on the part of the President of the United States.

Uncritical worship is one thing—uncritical hatred is another.

All I can say is that though I’m not surprised, I’m truly sorry we’ve reached this level of polical discourse in America.

CIA Picks New Iraq Weapons Inspector. [AP Politics] By KATHERINE PFLEGER, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - The CIA (news - web sites) named a new inspector to lead the search for Iraqi weapons of mass destruction Friday, choosing a veteran investigator who has expressed recent skepticism that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) possessed banned weapons that posed an immediate threat.

Was this preparation for the story that is breaking now? Healthy skepticism is extremely important to any democracy.

Another reason for healthy skepticism appears below in a story released on Jan. 25.

U.S. IS TRADING IN WMD. Moscow Times: “Halliburton’s new partner [Altanmia Marketing of Kuwait - representative agents for companies trading in military and nuclear, biological and chemical equipment] traffics in the essential elements of WMD - the very stuff whose spread and sale the United States is ostensibly dedicated to stopping around the world.”

David, I gotta admit, at this early date this story is about as credible as something from the Weekly World News. I, too, have an open mind about how low this administration will stoop, but this story seems a bit hard to swallow.

I suggest we wait until the evidence is a little better than the Tehran Times before elevating it to a topic on WatchBlog.

-Cf

Hey has any one of you ever read “The Project For The New American Century”
You really should check it out. Actually it’s about 170 pages, but you could try the executive summary.Just do a google search on it, should pop right up.Now that is one scary,scary piece of literature, atleast for us yellow bellied, unpatriotic, naive liberals.

Oh yeah, those are the guys who wrote Clinton in 1998 and urged him to immediately invade Iraq.

The group of people who sent that letter include Richard Perle, former advisor to Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Israel’s militant Likud Party, and Francis Fukuyama, who I used to think was pretty bright.

Yeah—check it out. It’s shelved right next to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

What would lend this story credibility is if the weapons are “found” close enough to the election to put bush over the top.
Just as the critically timed October “capture” of Osama bin Laden would be suspicious.

I am not surprised.

Not that Bush is ‘planting evidence’ as the story alleges… I am not surprised that you guys are willing to sink to this level.

Power is like a drug to liberals. And what we see here is like the symptoms of withdrawal. Like addicts willing to commit burglary to feed their habit, these stories will continue to be put forth by liberals in a desparate effort to get back in power.

Following this analogy, the best thing for you guys is to go cold turkey. Bush should put all democrats in rehab. By declaring martial law, suspending the elections and removing every democrat from office until after treatment at freemarket re-education camps run by the Young Republicans (you know, similar to the nazi youth).

Once they are ready to become productive members of society again, they will be given jobs with the government again, that is, at the United States of Walmart, as our newly reconstituted republic will be called. Where they will learn to live within their means and have to compete for limited health benefits on the merits of their hard labor.

Donald Rumsfeld will also be made next in the line of succession. As I think he would made an excellent emperor, er, I mean, President.

“……Donald Rumsfeld will also be made next in the line of succession. As I think he would made an excellent emperor, er, I mean, President.”

That the nice thing about his website.
We get to take our Trolls for a periodic walks.
Used to be they had to live under a bridge.
Personally I love a well-crafted troll.
To see them majestically sunning themselves in the warmth of the web just makes me swell with pride and giddy in a mischievous way.

Trolling: Trolling aims to elicit an emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their minds.

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Everyone needs to spend some time working inside the federal government. After watching the behavior of political appointees, low bid contractors and elected officials, conspiracy theories start to seem all to plausible.

I have been waiting for this kind of allegation to surface since the invasion.

Wow. Quite a charge. If Bush was willing to do that, wouldn’t it already have been done? As Martin said, an anonymous Iraqi talking to an Iranian news source sounds about as credible as ‘An anonymous Al Qaeda representative’. But maybe it is just me.

Troll?!

I thought I’d lighten up the conversation on this post. It’s already way off into fantasyland so I thought a little neo-con unelected warmonger humor was in order.

I thought it was rather humorous, Bob.

Sebastian, absolutely right. There is a lot of corroboration to be done before this charge can be taken seriously. But, since both Bush and Kerry feel it is fair game to create incredible news about each other, I figured we paeons at least have the right to report what is being reported.

As for timing, if I were Bush, I would have had to sneak them in sometime before the elections. Now one good piece of evidence would be the ship’s manifest and how long it had sat outside port before coming in to unload. Not that the manifest would show what the cargo was if it was a CIA controlled operation, but, the departure date and the unload date would be revealing.

Given Iran - Contra and a host of other S. and Central America CIA operations in the past that we have since learned about, such accusations should be followed up on. It is an awesome power the President more than one before have been drawn into its misuse like a moth to flame.

Bush won’t pull WMDs or bin Laden out of a hat. WMDs are fairly traceable and if bin Laden was already caught, we’d hear about it.

Even the Mayberry Machiavellis aren’t dumb enough to try a stunt like that to win an election.

I do expect Ridge to raise the terror alert level at a strategic moment. It’s reletively harmless (can’t be too vigilant, right?), and you could easily make a case for doing to on any given day.

Lee, I am not as sure as you. The polls bump Bush got from the capture of Hussein is a mighty big carrot to dangle in front of an incumbent President who faces as close a race in Nov. as that of 2000. No one can tell me President’s don’t believe in having as much insurance as possible at election time regardless of party.

“I thought I’d lighten up the conversation on this post. It’s already way off into fantasyland so I thought a little neo-con unelected warmonger humor was in order.

I thought it was rather humorous, Bob.”

So did I. Like I sad “I love a well-crafted troll”. I don’t see the problem with them. Plus humor always keeps the blood letting at a minimum.

David:

Your initial commentary seemed similar to Howard Dean’s comment where he claimed to be simply repeating a rumour, but wasnt sure if it were true. That typically comes under the heading of “gossip”, in the same way as if one were to speculate on, for instance, a person’s sexuality. True, its just idle speculation, but…..idle speculation without any factual information is just, well….just idle speculation.

The real crux for me is this: If Bush were smart enough, evil enough, and competent enough to plant WMD’s in Iraq, then he would have been smart, evil and competent enough to have done it already, and to have planned to do it all along. Why wait until now? To wait until now negates him being smart enough or competent enough to accomplish it.

I was not speculating, joe, I was reporting on what other sites were reporting which could have serious political repercussions. Politics would not be politics without allegations made by all sorts of folks, including the candidates, none of which can be trusted until corroborated.

That does not mean the allegations should not be reported. Watergate never would have brought down Nixon if reporting what others said had not brought the pressure to bear on witnesses and the President himself.

Iran-Contra too would never have been uncovered were it not for uncorroborated allegations reported initially. The allegations led to investigations and they in turn led to facts being established.

Well I never gave him credit for being particularly smart above the average college graduate, but, one must remember that it was not until just about 6 weeks ago that Bush gave up on finding WMD in Iraq. Why would he risk planting them if he continued expecting to find the Real ones? Or was he lying to us when he said we would find the real ones?

David, I’d be wary about getting too excited about stuff from Mehr News. Mehr News is the same agency that accused U.S. soldiers of sexually abusing Iraqi citizens and then posting the pictures on rape.com.

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