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> We do know who’s losing from it: John Kerry.

I wouldn’t be so sure. If the Bushies try to score points with this, Kerry can make a pretty strong argument that it is the same old Republican sleazemongering that was aimed at Clinton.

If this story is indeed true, I don’t think the right wing is releasing it. Think about it. If you were Karl Rove, and you stumbled upon this story, would you release it now, when other democrats are still viable candidates? No, you’d wait until Kerry had the nomination truly locked up and then send this out. The best way to use this to Bush’s advantage would be to hold onto this and release it at a more opportune time.

I think the mainstream, should stay away from it until it is confirmed… .It’s unfair to report rumors, had Kerry come out today and said “Yes, I had and Affair.” Or had a media outlet doen the research and confirmed it for sure, that would be one thing, but often times, the media reports something that is a rumor, and whne it turns out to be false, they don’t report that, and the damage is already done.

But really, as you state, Rove would hold onto this information til later, and who controls the media?

I have a hard time believing it was Rove. Why not sit on a bombshell like this untill the General election? I think the Hillary in 2008 theory proposed by Rush is the dumbest. I don’t think the country is going to be up for Bill as first lady even 4 years from now. As for Dean, yup I can see that maybe Roy Neel, even if it hits the fan in Time next week, Neel may have wanted it out for the WI primary. Pretty much the whole upper echelon Democrats are Kerricellian except Gore. I’ve heard the Gore VP vetting theory before, but, I’ve also read that Kerricelli was passed up by Gore, becuase Kerry knew too much about the Gore/Clinton cocaine connection. Something about a group slinging kilos in Phili in a Gore campaign building. I don’t see how Kerricelli can’t know about Citigroup’s money laundering for Hernadez and BanaMex, Clinton either for that matter he pardoned Deutch and vacationed at Rancho Hernadez’ in the Yucatan. Watching the ships roll in … and then I watch them roll away again! Of course Clark has to know aboutJackson Stephens, Barry Seals and Mena Ark. and all that Soros Heroin flowing through the Balkans … but I digress.

http://www.narconews.com/docs/ontrial.html
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/politics/demo_party_prez.html
http://www.narconews.com/kerry2000.html

It is also revealing that Manatt, Phelps and Kantor, (later to become Manatt, Phelps and Phillips) also represented Mochtar Riady’s Lippo Group and the Worthen Bank of Arkansas, which was then owned by Jackson Stephens (Jimmy Carter’s roommate at Annapolis). Both the Lippo Group and the now defunct Worthen Bank turn up like a carpet weave throughout Bill Clinton’s history, the history of Mena Arkansas, Democratic Party fundraising and the story of BCCI. We also noticed that. Conveniently, Charles Manatt also sits on the Board of Federal Express.

The damage is already done without corraboration..It is disgusting, but, hey Kerry has plenty of time to dig up more dirt on Bushie.

There is a phenomenon arising regarding the internet news, a huge amount of which is BS and we all see it, and mainstream media. If a legitimate news story is scooped on the web, it will make it to the mainstream media, given sufficient time to research the story. If an internet news item does not make main news media, either, it was bogus, it doesn’t have public interest value, or it may be true but is unverifiable.

What this phenomena means is that damage from an unverifiable or bogus internet news item will not significantly damage the reputations of persons in the story. That damage can only be brought about by the mainstream media. For all of the folks on the internet, most still look to the mainstream media for confirmation of validity, and a large number of internet surfers don’t vote, and finally, the majority of Americans do not yet rely upon the internet for their reliable news.

Consequently, it is very unlikely any damage has been done to Kerry’s reputation at this point, by the Drudge misinformation.

It has to be Karl Rove. They know that Kerry is the strongest opponent, and would like to see Dean, Edwards or Clark win the nomination.

As my son said, “Better to bleep and intern, than bleep the whole country.”

Sol: What would you expect the mainstream media to report at this point? Kerry denies it. The woman refuses to talk to the press. Her parents say there wasn’t an affair. There’s a reason that people who aren’t in the gutter press sit on stuff like this until there’s reliable information backing it up — groundless rumors are an equal opportunity destroyer.

February 06, 2004
Rumor: A Kerry Affair & Push Polling
Rumor has it that John Kerry (D) is going to be outed by Time Magazine next week …

Which issue of TIME, exactly, did the original story refer to? This is the following week. The TIME website does show a story re: Kerry, but nothing related to this, at least not online that I could find.

It was not quite like that. According to “someone very close to Clark”, what the general said was “if the media has any proof this could cause the Kerry camp to implode”. I would assume this was in response to speculation on the reporters part. They may have even asked him about it. After all this information has been around for years and is one of the Reasons Gore didn’t choose Kerry for VP. Can you imagine how that would have played after Bill’s inability to keep his pants zipped? But it is not just how it would look… some of us “immoral” democrats actually believe in fidelity and corny stuff like that.

So it makes sense that Clark would go ahead to endorse Kerry since that was the plan all along. If you saw him on Charlie Rose you know he admited that the party encouraged him to run to pull support from Dean. I am sure the general intended to win. I just think he was used as a tool and I think he probably knows it now.
As for Lehane, I don’t blame him for talking this story up all over town. He and many of the other top aides actually believed that Clark was an outsider, a maverick reformer. Besides Lehane is known for dirty fighting.

The most interesting question is “Will the democratic party be willing to go down sleaze lane again?” Personally I am not willing to nominate another womanizer.

Sign me: a Clarkie who will not be voting for Kerry.

I thought the smear came from Rove. Last night Aaron Brown did a short discussion about rumors on the internet and the responsibility of the media. I emailed a complaint about the show and got this reply. “What to know something interesting. The rumor didn’t come from Rove at all. It came from a D. I know that for a fact.” Now I don’t know who the D is but I know we need to win the election this year. America cannot stand another four years of Bush. I suggest Democrats need to get their act together and stop shooting each other in the back.

From what I understand the time line for all of this is suspect. This is supposed to have happened in 2002. So the comment about Al Gore not choosing Kerry as a running mate doesn’t fit the timeline. Personally I have my doubts about the story. The person who started this rumor knew this would scare the heck out of most Democrats because of what happened with Clinton.

I was a Clark supporter but I’ve always been of the mind I would vote for whomever. I have real heartburn about the 2000 election and the way this administration have put this country in jeopardy. You can decide not to vote if you want but do not complain when Bush get’s reelected and we got four more years of the same BS.

I agree totally with Charlene! Democrats are all back shooters. Bill Clinton paid a terrible, terrible price for his rampant sexuality. When are you going to make up your mind to move on!

Yeah, the timeline doesn’t fit for this affair to have happened in regards to GOre not choosing Kerry for 2000, in fact alot of the timeline doesn’t even fit for them to be in the same state…I like how some articles call her a blonde, whiel other stories show a photo of a dark brunette.

Also, Kerry fired Chris Lane (i mgith hae name wrong) who thme moved to the Clark campaign.

Ans, I don’t know, Kerry has dated movie stars and heireses…a young reporter doesn’t quite fit.

You can thank FReepers for publicizing your blog, citing it as the original source for the rumour and noting the identity and background of Cam.

As usual we know what we’re talking about.

You can thank FReepers for publicizing your blog, citing it as the original source for the rumour and noting the identity and background of Cam.

Duly noted, however I’m not Cam and my source was not from the Clark camp, it came from Capitol Hill. Try reading the article instead of shooting from the hip.

As usual we know what we’re talking about.

I’m pretty sure I have a leg up on you considering I wrote this. But feed whatever conspiracies you want, it’s no skin off my back for you to try and link Clark, Clinton, the Pope, Voltron, etc. in some cockamamie story.

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This critter is too cute for you, but feel free to use it for your sig until you gleefully reveal your ID.

How’s it feel out-sliming Drudge?

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It’s amazing how people jump to conclusions. I haven’t paid attention to this site since I joined the Clark campaign in September of last year. It is pure coincidence that I am the founder of WatchBlog and that “SoL” used WatchBlog to break the Kerry Intern story online (apparently, it was a well-known rumor among political circles for years).

I know who “SoL” is and it’s not me, David Remer, or Chris Lehane. I will not divulge this person’s identity because I do not condone smear politics and want nothing to do with it.

I take credit for building WatchBlog (It’s a cool idea, no?), but I do not take credit for “SoL’s” post. I really do not care who broke the story or who should get credit for it. I think the American public is tired of this kind of politics and the mainstream press has essentially ignored it.

It’s true that I still host WatchBlog and own the domains, but I haven’t had much dealing with the site since I handed over the reigns to David Remer in October.

The conspiracy theorists love to point out the coincidental connection between me, this story, and the Clark campaign (I agree, it makes for an intriguing story) but the truth of the matter is that I’m not involved except coincidentally.

I think John Kerry will be a good DNC nominee, even though Clark was my first choice.

You say: “Update 2: The New Republic is also curious about the perceived double standard. Can anyone point out some liberal-leaning news sites that are asking this same question? It’s starting to look like this is the new angle of this story if the media continues to ignore it, turning this into a liberal bias issue.”

Actually, the New Republic item that you linked to here makes the OPPOSITE argument. That is, it argues (convincingly to my mind) that there is actually no “liberal bias issue” here. You disagree?

Cheers,
Jeff Weintraub

Does it matter that the girl named was never an intern?

THat during the time this “affair” supposedly took place, she was working up to 80 hours a week on student assignments and dating someone?

Can someone have an affair while recovering from prostate surgery?

Did anyone stop to question if perhaps this girl started the rumor on her own? TO benefit her reporting career?

Or perhaps she is just a huge victim in all of this…Her leaving the country making her a convienient pick…

Maybe her dad thinks Kerry is a “SLeazball” because of his stance on the Vietnam war.

It’s good to have something like this hit the medai, when Bush’s approval rating is the lowest it’s ever been, and other articles are point out faults with His Budget, WMDs, Cia, 911, etc.

here is the newest from the Sun (it is owned by Murdoch, isn’t it?)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004072203,00.html
according to which she has taped an interview with “a US TV network at Christmas” (could it just possibly be Fox?) but they are sitting on it (“October Surprise”?). It goes on to say that she wants to tell her story but no one is believing her. Regardless of who started the rumor, it would be nice to put it all behind since Bush has never been as vulnerable as he is now, and for the “perfect storm” to take a full effect and do him utterly in, Kerry should not allow the story to pester. And, yes, the timeline is all wrong — here they are talking about a “fling” in the spring of 2001, so Gore obviously has nothing to do with it. It would be nice to know which party her parents belong to.

SoL—why so sensitive? I’m not ‘shooting from the hip’ at you or anyone else here. That Cam worked for Clark is only relevant because this leak/rumour appeared on a site started by him. Otherwise, no one would care about who he is, was, or will be.

You scooped Drudge, and your scoop is turning out to be legitimate. No one is assigning any conspiracies to it whatsoever.

Clinton’s only relevance to this matter would be to cite the obvious: why, why, WHY can’t Democrats keep their zippers closed? Why do they feel comfy betraying their marital vows, their loved ones, their friends and family who put faith in them to be above that sort of shabby behavior? To let one’s party loyalists contribute thousands of hours and millions of dollars to one’s campaign, knowing that it may be wasted, but willing to risk it all for a chance to grab the brass ring….it’s just sad, SoL. It speaks volumes about what sort of ethical and moral decay has overtaken the Democratic party.

Good luck, and lay off the defensive posturing. btw: I think many of us are looking forward to hearing the interview that Ms.Polier taped supposedly back in December. How sad for her that nobody would believe her until now.

Thanks for doing the right thing and helping this young lady out. If she is telling the truth, then we are very fortunate to have found this out before Kerry was annointed rather than after.

Good luck! Autumn

I give Kerry maybe a week. The Sun has reported there is a video tape of the women talking about her affair with Kerry and the station has been sitting on it since December. Notice McCauliffe trying to get everyone out of the race by Feb 3rd! Also, Clark just screwed up and blabbed. Damage control, get Clark to shut up (not an easy task.) Grab the news cycle with Clark endorses Kerry. Damge control 2) bitch like hell about the AWOL thing which is MCauliffe really hanging his ass out for Kerry. The AWOL deal is simply dead now, McCauliffe risked his reputaton and the White House has every right to call for an apology! You don’t call the sitting President of the United States a deserter unless you are Al Sharpton! Or, you have undeniable evidence. If the story hits the press now, they will try to buy more time by saying the White House is retalliating for the AWOL nonsense. They will try to take WI and piss their pants trying to clear the field again. Gore was overheard talking to someone about Kerry’s affair. If this came from anywhere, Roy Neel comes to mind! And after the Gephardt, Torricelli, Hindery, Ossama ads, I shed no tear!

Those ads are very telling. Here is why:

The 527 that ran them would have to reveal funding by 1/31/04. Gephardt is the obvious culprit. When they came out Gephardt said he didn’t know who paid for them. Smoking gun! Gephardt had to know he would be sitting safely on the sidelines by 1/31/04. He knew he was going to lose! Therefore we can assume that Kerry knew Gephardt was going to lose, McCauliffe knew Gephardt ws going to lose … Iowa was a fix. Or at least in large part a staged event. The field was stacked to get Dean. Clark admitted on Charlie Rose his run was to get Dean. Sharpton is in GOP hands and traded cash to challenge Dean on race. When does McCauliffe start pitching a fit about AWOL? 2/1/04, the press barely thinks about the obvious connection of Leo Hindery( Global Crossing ) Torrecelli ( DSCC fundraiser, Kerry 2004 fundraiser ) McCauliffe ( Global Crossing bag man.)

Again McCauliffe has been calling for everyone to drop out of the race by Feb 3rd! you have to ask yourself why? Clinton didn’t win a state until Georgia.

The elephant in the living room, Kerry is going to get rocked by this scandal! Who wins? Dean, Edwards, Democrats everywhere!

It’s funny how people latch onto Clark’s statements about the supposed ‘affair’. How the heck would Clark know anything about it? It’s much more likely that Clark heard the same rumours we’ve been hearing, and was simply repeating them.

-Cf

Okay, now that we are, hopefully, done with one rumor, does anyone know what this is all about?

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/04/02/ana04003.html

Ever think maybe Jackson Stephens himself? Perhaps he thought that even if Clark did drop out, that he could blackmail Kerry into a Kerry/Clark ticket. Two guys that fought in Nam vs. Two guys that started one! Or, perhaps he just told Clark, and Clark being about as smart as most Army guys from Arkansas, just could not keep his mouth shut. Or, really thought he could pass this on to reporters “of the record” and, they were under some sort of legal obligation to not say anything. Clark endorsing Kerry was obviously just a ploy to grab a news cycle. Why not just endorse his silly ass right after you lost and quit? The people behind all this stuff are all corrupt Clintonites, Jackson Stephens, Torricelli the ugly side of the Clinton years is already raring its ugly head. Straight out of Mena!

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