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V. Edward -

Please explain to me exactly what racial stereotype Rush was talking about.

Mr. Martin,
This is not the most cliche’ and utterly offensive thing that you have ever written.
Wait, yes it is.
You are characterizing all Republicans as bigots. Is this what you have become because of your own hatred?
Even your fellow liberals at Slate.com disagree with you…

This is just disgusting and hateful rhetoric.

The Republicans talk a good game (no pun intended) about wanting to be the Party of inclusion, but at its core, the Party membership would rather not associate with Black Americans.

You are losing your composure Mr. Martin.

Good points, Edward.

I gotta say, I am loving the downfall of Rush. The unscrewing of the GOP has just begun. First the Ramblin’ Gamblin Bennett, now we find that anti-drug Rush is a pill popper reduced to parking lot drug buys, the litany against Bush grows, Cheney’s office (and Scooter) are now implicated in Intimigate…

… the list goes on.

Despite this, many conservatives like Pedro will continue to attack. I am fine with that. It is hard to admit when was has been wrong, especially when the wrongs have been so horrible.

I am laughing at Rush. The big fat idiot is coming down. DITTO!!!!

If Bush was as treacherous, I’d laugh at him, too… but there is nothing funny about the unraveling of America.

The unraveling of the GOP, well…

Hey, maybe when Arnold said he was pro-Hitler he was just commenting on the Bush/Walker relationship with Hermann Goering, no?

I’m with Deth…Are you going to provide the quote or just let us assume that your remarks are the ramblings of a man with no ground beneath his feet?

V,
Saying all Republicans are racists and bigots is like saying all Democrats are freeloading welfare crackwhore homosexuals. Both exist in each party, but for you to label half of this country as racist, only lifts up a neon sign that says, “Look at me, I jump from bandwagon to bandwagon and never know what in the hell I am talking about.”

I don’t even think his comments are racist, though he himself might be, I don’t know and I could care less. “In this instance” he said the guy was “overrated because the media wants black quarterbacks to succeed.”

Is this an untrue statement?

Can you tell me that the media wouldn’t want a black quarterback to dominate the NFL like black people do in almost every other sport? Sure they do, and more power to them. If it lifts the spirits of the black community to see a black quarterback succeed then great. But calling it like it is doesn’t make Rush Limbaugh (who I personally think is a knowledgeable; however, arrogant, ass) a racist. Nor does it give you rhyme or reason to point the finger at millions of people and say (in a tiny Peewee Herman voice) “You’re all a bunch of Bigots.”

Just imagine what the Republican party could say if quoting a Democrat represented the beliefs of the Democratic populace. In that case:

American Library Association - In reference to access by children…
Blocking material leads to censorship. That goes for pornography and bestiality too. If you don’t like it, don’t look at it.”

National Education Association - Don’t teach anatomy to 7th graders, teach them how to put on a condom.

NAMBLA - Child Porn is great stuff, we need more of that.
—> ACLU Item 3

Child Porn is ok to have around because if we censor that then we can censor anything.

(You democrats are all a bunch of child molesters) (do you hear the absurdity in that?)

I don’t have time to research and post links to the 10,000+ OMFG things that Democrats are famous for saying so I invite other Conservatives to post quips of words Democrats have said that we could then Label the entire party with as V has done to us here.

The goal being to show Mr. Martin what a buffoon he has made of himself with these ridiculous accusations.

I don’t think you ought to have editor priveleges.

I agree that it is a misnomer to assign Rush as the spokesperson for an entire party. That’s just not the way it works.

Jake is right, there probably are some racist elements in the GOP, but then there are probably some in the Democratic wing as well; but that doesn’t mean that is the parties’ identity.

Said Rush of Philadelphia Eagles Donovan McNabb. “I think what we’ve had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well,”
“There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn’t deserve. The defense carried this team,”

Limbaugh later defended his remarks:
“All this has become the tempest that it is because I must have been right about something,” Limbaugh said. “If I wasn’t right, there wouldn’t be this cacophony of outrage that has sprung up in the sportswriter community.”

“If I wasn’t right, there wouldn’t be this cacophony of outrage that has sprung up in the sportswriter community.”
See, I think it’s the other way around. If Rush’s statement was accurate, it wouldn’t be racist. It would be an incisive observation. But it’s not, whatever Slate says. Is Donovan McNabb overrated? Possibly, but so is Jeremy Shockey.

“There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn’t deserve. The defense carried this team,”
He’s the quarterback, and the biggest star on the team. This type of player generally has the success or failure of the team pinned on him, just as the President is assumed to be responsible for events that are largely our of his control. This has nothing to do with race. I don’t think black players have anything to prove at this point, at quarterback or any other position, and this kind of talk by Rush just serves to cast a pall over McNabb’s accomplishments, as if his success on the field was the result of some kind of affirmative action.

Man, V. Edward Martin must be competing for the most narrow minded WatchBlog contributor award.

The idea that words from Rush Limbaugh should be applied to the entire Republican party would be laughable if it weren’t so sad.

The spectrum of beliefs and ideals in all parties can never be covered in one word. And no party in the country takes on the beliefs and ideals of just one person.

It’s a shame really, that this kind of writing has an outlet as prominent as this, but it does really demonstrate the absolute senselesness of this particular Third Party WatchBlog editor.

Just sad…

You are right, CJ, it is inappropriate to projects Rush’s ideas on to all Republicans. However, the fact remains that Rush is a prominent Republican with millions of listeners. He doesn’t speak for all members of the Republican party, but he does speak for quite a few of you. As embarrasing as he may be for moderate Republicans, you can’t pretend that he is not a manifestation of a powerful reactionary element within your party.

It’s really sad to see this because even though we shouldn’t view all Republicans as Rush Limbaugh, we still do. I keep telling my Republican buddies to leave the party. They are constantly having to defend themselves as not being racist just because they’re in that party. What a disgrace Rush, Trent Lott, and the like can be!

However, as an Independent, I have to point out the racial faults of the Democratic party too. Hehe. Whether it’s just them parading minorities around like trophies, encouraging social warfare to continue in order to get votes (minorities are a huge voting block for the Dems much like conservative Christians are for the Reps), taunting and promoting race-based ideals even though the goal is to end decisions based on race, or throwing Carol Mosely Braun in the 2004 Presidential race so that Al Sharpton doesn’t get too much power, I find the Democrats to be pretty dispicable too. I remember once hearing a local level Democrat saying that the Republicans will never get the “black vote”. To me, that’s racism. That’s stereotyping that all African American’s vote the same way and that they are not independent thinking individuals. You never hear someone say the “white vote”. Republicans are guilty are many of these things too, but again, as an Independent, I have to point both parties flaws (in order to boost my own ego, just kidding.).

Now, I am willing to give the Democrats credit for the Civil Rights Act, but then I would need to give the Republicans credit for freeing the slaves. I guess, my big thing is, we’re living in 2003 and social warfare is still going strong, we’re still judging people by their race, and while diversity is popular, segregation is everywhere. All of the college universities love to point out their diversity numbers yet when it comes to black people and white people and asian people and hispanics all working together in harmony while wearing GAP clothes, like on the commercials, it’s just not there.

But… as an independent, I am a fan of solutions. I just placed blame on the Reps and Dems and that’s sinking to their level.

What about a grass roots movement for a national “Reach Out” day where we encourage Americans to reach out to their neighbors of different religions, ethnicities, and monetary classes? What about shifting the focus from diversity and stuff like “all we have in common is our diversity” to focuses on unity, community-building, and reaching out to each other? I’ve always pondered why we focus so much on the “differences” between us when there are so many more similarities. With similarities come relationships and with relationships come communities. I guess I’m just curious of what people think of my suggestions and not my blaming of the Dems and Reps.

Dave P
Columbus, Ohio

(BTW, I know this issue is very touchy with people and I hope I didn’t say anything offensive in here. I don’t believe I did but if I did say something wrong, please call me on it.)