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Wow. This thing is really heating up for Ah-nold. May I suggest that his victory is a sure thing? With one possible RUB, A pitched legal battle by the Democrats.

Wasn’t Warren Buffet the money man behind Clinton in his 1992 Whitehouse bid? Isn’t he identified with the DLC?

The escalation of the fund-raising with Buffet on one side, Soros on the other, and a host of millionaire individuals, corporations, and unions in the middle, is obscene. Think about this for a moment. What does all that money generate? A few hundred extra jobs around election season in the Ad agencies, a few extra in media companies and a few thousand, maybe, extra temporary jobs in the campaign organizations.

But, no useful products are created; no food or technology is produced; only banners and buttons which have a very short life span and no function.

100’s of millions of dollars are spent at election time, and what do the American people get from it? Mediocrity. President George Bush is little more than a traffic cop, taught by his advisors a schedule for when this policy or legislative traffic should move before that.

Now, Arnold S. for governor. A speaking puppet with face recognition for the media, who will rely on a minority of Republicans, with a minority agenda, to recreate our society in the image of some perfect world where everyone is induced, coerced, or forced to conform to the laws, behavior, and norms of that minority.

Living, functional democracy depends upon an informed consent of the people, not a bribed consent; not a brainwashed consent; and not a sheepish consent bought with fear and threat.

Democracy for and by the people depends upon a belief by the people that they have the power to effect change and hold officials accountable.

Democracy in America was a fine experiment, but, it is failing in much the same way as it failed in Ancient Greece. Alexander came to conquer, the call rang out for Greeks to assemble and defend their country. But, the reply came back, I paid my taxes to hire the Spartans, let them fight. The reply came back, I am a shop keeper, what do I know of fighting war? The reply came back, I have a half dozen meetings this morning and if I don’t show up for them, my business will fail.

The reply comes back today, I do not have time to become informed, I do not have time to oversee, I am not educated in these things, let those better qualified handle this democracy. But, a democracy it is no more.

DRRemer, I find amusing that you believe Arnold is merely a puppet and is going to do whatever the GOP tells him. He may seek advice from people within his party, but I doubt he’s letting men in the shadows pull his strings.

I also found it appalling that you seem to despise fund-raising and support from billionaires, but if the candidate is Democrat, open the Bill (flood)-Gates and open your wallets for democracy. I am just as wary as you are of donations allowing viewpoints to gain traction, but I’m a staunch defender of Warren Buffett, he’s actually one of the good guys and you need to go read the history (and his own philosophy) behind this financial guru.

DR Remer…
How can you say: “But, a democracy it is no more”
I think that what we are seeing here is Democracy run wild and it is a good thing. Finally a ballot with more than 2 people on it.
Rich people that contribute lots of money to political campaigns also have a right to do so. To run ads with thier own money is also a freedom of speech issue.

Hey you third party guys, there has never been an election slate with national attention like this one. Instead of talkin’ Arnie, why not give us a look at the railroad brakeman, the attorneys and the other candidates (like the true indie, Arianna?)

I’d love to hear some news about anyone BUT Arnie and Gray.

Robbie

PS: Pete, I am not surprised Dr. Reemer’s point sailed over your head. Yes, you are right (did I just say that?) that the slate for governor is a wonderful act of democracy. The point you missed is that the process of getting to the stage, the partisan-engineered recall, is a travesty and makes a joke of the system. It is another case, as the great Bill Maher said, of the GOP trying to get in office by doing anything except winning the election. In this case, they are just trying to have enough elections that they finally win one. The GOP digusts me.

Meant to type “disgusts me” Pete. Don’t want you to troll off on my typos and avoid the subject again. ;-)

Robbie

Robbie D, I’ve been scrounging for the list of candidates and haven’t found a reliable one yet (it was supposed to be released last night), but when I do I’ll be sure to cover the 3rd party. I may be focusing on 3rd party news, but when there’s something newsworthy, I’m not going let party walls stand in the way.

Of course this has led to bellowing from both Dems and Repubs that I should focus on the 3rd party when I give favorable press to one or the other. Not that I’m surprised. Besides, I’ve noticed that the majority of news by both Repubs and Dems is usually about the negative aspects of the other side. This is why I like being in the middle, it allows me to call a spade a spade, regardless of the party.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go find a list of 150 or so candidates to dissect.

Reply to Stephen,

“DRRemer, I find amusing that you believe Arnold is merely a puppet and is going to do whatever the GOP tells him.”

Why is that amusing? Is there any biographical information available to demonstrate his expertise in American History, Political-Social Contracts, California Law, or Economics? NO! Therefore, if he is not educated nor experienced in any of these, how can he be anything other than a puppet for those behind the scenes who will profess to be experts in these areas?

“He may seek advice from people within his party, but I doubt he’s letting men in the shadows pull his strings.”

By what logic or evidence could this be doubted?

“I also found it appalling that you seem to despise fund-raising and support from billionaires, but if the candidate is Democrat, open the Bill (flood)-Gates and open your wallets for democracy.”

Now this is amusing when folks read their own prejudices into the clear and unambiguous utterings of others. Stephen, re read my opening statement:

“The escalation of the fund-raising with Buffet on one side, Soros on the other, and a host of millionaire individuals, corporations, and unions in the middle, is obscene.”

Where in this, or anywhere else in my comment can anything be found to indicate a partiality toward Democrats or their big money? Soros and trade unions, liberal supporters, are included in my criticism. Ah, well…

“I am just as wary as you are of donations allowing viewpoints to gain traction, but I’m a staunch defender of Warren Buffett”

He may be a good guy, but, he is also contributing to the demise of democracy by and for the majority of the people who are not wealthy, by fostering the disproportionate influence of wealth upon the American political system. Rule by the wealthy is not democracy, regardless of whether they are good guys or not.

I wanted to pass this link along.

After years of denials by both parties, Arnold Schwarzenegger’s longtime mistress Gigi Goyette finally admitted to the adulterous affair on British television — an affair that began as statutory rape when she was 16 .

This confirms rumors that were previously published in the National Enquirer in 2001.

Don’t worry Mark, Californians aren’t going to let morals get in the way of voting for Arnold, those rules only apply to Democrats. :)