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I am all for “common sense” gun control and would even go so far as to propose a re-write of the second Amendment in order to settle once and for all the meaning of same. I for one do not believe the second Amendment gives the American citizen unfettered access to firearms, but only does so in the context of well-regulated militia.

As for the Libertarians, are they advocating that Americans be allowed to carry assault weapons openly in public venues, schools, and the workplace, just in case a terrorist shows up and pops off a few rounds? That kind of nonsensical argument does not warrant further discussion.

And while it may be true that assault weapons are used in less then 1% of violent crimes, most homicides (some 55%) are committed with guns, the majority of those handguns, which are far easier to obtain then assault weapons. Could it be that the current ban on assault weapons prevents their use more often in violent crimes, and that a similar ban on hand guns might have the same effect? Food for further thought?

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Doesn’t this just mean that the ban is effective?

Ryan, it means that we need to ban baseball bats and knives. The statistics show a decrease in ALL violent crime. Assault weapon crime did not go down in relation to any other crimes, but as a whole, they all went down. This points more to an overall trend. Perhaps crime is cyclical, such as being heralded by the global warming nay-sayers?

Statistics can be twisted to fit anyone’s view, even mine, but I think the point is clear in this case.

V. Edward Martin: That’s why I quoted them in that regard, I found it hilarious that he insinuates that if there were no assault weapon ban, we would all head to the mall and do our shopping with a M-16 on our shoulder. If terrorists show up, the Gap is suddenly going to be the scene of a civilians vs. Al Qaieda shoot-out.

Banning guns is the same as banning drugs. It is ineffective and impossible to enforce. How long would it take to get some drugs right now? The “assault” weapon known as the M16 is not fully automatic anyway. Each time you pull the trigger one round goes off. I dont see how that is an assault weapon. Full auto weapons have been illegal since the 30s. Gangsters still posess them although i cant. The civilian version of the M16 is no more an assault weapon than any other rifle of the same caliber(5.56 or .223 remington).
It just looks different and “scary”.Ignorance on this issue is astounding. I just want to know one thing. How would banning more guns reduce crime? Crime is related to poverty and not guns. Banning drugs and declaring war on them has only increased the problem by an additional 50% and filled our prisons with people who are otherwise harmless pot smokers. This is just a dead topic in my book.

To really understand what’s going on in the United States, Britain, Canada, and Australia today with regard to civilian weapons ownership and self defence, we need to see it from the globalist perspective.

Under the fast-approaching, liberty-shattering ‘New World Order’ so beloved by Tony Blair, both of the Bushes, and the US and UK political elite, there will be NO personal weapons of any kind permitted, nor any ‘culture of violence’ [i.e. no potential future resistance].

For a good introduction to the elite’s ultimate goals in this, from a U.S. perspective, see “GUN CONTROL AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER’ at http://www.survivalistskills.com/nwa.htm as well as ‘OPERATION GARDEN PLOT’ at http://www.survivalistskills.com/GDNPLOT.HTM and ‘THE PLANNED US AND CANADIAN CONCENTRATION CAMP AND DETENTION CENTRE PROGRAM’ at http://www.survivalistskills.com/camps.htm.

The rational and normal mind recoils from the idea that a nation’s leaders might be at perpetual war with their own people in pursuit of some higher, global goal. But read “The U.S. Public Warms To The Idea Of Civilian Concentration Camps” at http://www.survivalistskills.com/CONCAMP.HTM [This is a long page, slow to load, but well worth it. Be sure to see the quotes and astonishing photographs at the end of the article!], and reflect on how consistently this occurs, and how easily the general public are pursuaded to applaud and agree with their own loss of rights.

[for a similar perspective on the same process at work in Canada and the UK, see “How Canada Lost Its Liberties And Freedoms - And Few Cared!” at http://www.survivalistskills.com/CANLIB.HTM and “How Britain Legislated Away 2,000 Years Of Rights And Freedoms” at http://www.survivalistskills.com/UKLIB.HTM]

Still unpersuaded? “TRAGEDY AND HOPE”, by Professor Carroll Quigley, is a virtual ‘blueprint’ of the political elite’s game-plan for accomplishing their ‘New World Order’ by guile - and by force, where need be. Read the huge array of quotations from political and other leaders on that page, and ask yourself whether they have not already accomplished much of what they need to achieve in order to turn the world into a giant ‘global plantation’, where they are the unresisted masters.

There’s a substantial archive of other fascinating and invaluable ‘New World Order Intelligence Update’ articles on the New World Order at http://www.survivalistskills.com/sect22.htm and archived also at http://www.rarehistorybooks.com/NWOLINKS.HTM. The ‘NWOIU’ site itself is currently down for substantial re-construction, but these archived articles are well worth reading.

One extraordinarily interesting page, at http://www.survivalistskills.com/GUNQUOTE.HTM, provides a large number of famous and favourable quotations on the citizen’s right to keep and bear arms AND a warning from Britain on the results of surrendering that right!

All of us will ultimately be the victims of this global drive to eliminate the means - and even the very thought - of self defence.

V. Edward Martin: Your message above does not sound like a man looking for “common sense”. Common sense indicates that gun control laws affect only the law-abiding citizen; not criminals who are, by definition, law breakers, nor tyrannical governments. You are clearly against the private, civilian ownership of firearms of all kinds, and your desire to re-write a portion of our most sacred document, the Bill of Rights, clearly points out your fanaticism in this matter.

The arguments that you make against the carrying of so called assault weapons have also been made against the carrying of concealed weapons. Such laws have statistically been proven to prevent or stop criminal attacks by numerous sources. Perhaps you need to read the opinions of people other than Sarah Brady — Try these: http://www.cato.org/legalissues/gun-control.html

Finally, look at the current situation in Washington, D.C., the Murder Capital of the US. The population is virtually defenseless against criminal attack because pistols are completely banned. Sen. Orin Hatch of Utah has stated that such a ban violate the Second Amendment rights of Washington, D.C. citizens and he is working to have the ban removed. To Sen. Hatch, a disarmed citizenry is not a “common sense approach to gun control”, it is lunacy.

Open your mind, Mr. Martin, and perhaps a history book or two as well. You will learn that our nation’s 1968 gun control laws were originally derived from those of Nazi Germany. You will also learn the fate of unarmed populations, such as the Jews and Poles of Hitler’s Third Reich and, more recently, the massacred Muslims (ethnic-cleansing) of Milosevic’s Ksovo. Then comeback and tell us about “common sense”.

very simple. “if guns are outlawed, ONLY outlaws will have guns!”

Gun Control is not the answer. Crime Control is the answer. “If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns”, an old saying but still true today. The assault weapons they speak of only look ‘scary’ you can take a muzzle loader and do just as much damage, however it will take longer and you’ll probably be subdued before the next shot, but anything is a weapon. via baseball bat or knife or as we are all unfortunately aquainted with a ‘plane’. In 1976, Washington D.C. banned all gun access or carrying. Subsequently, the murder rate went up 200%. You can make statistcis go either way, but that is a big increase. Crime Control not Gun Control

I ALSO BELIVE IN CRIME CONTROL! THE GOVERNMENT TRIES TO CONFUSE PEOPLE BY TELLING THEM THAT GUN CONTROL WILL MAKE US SAFER! BULL! I BELIVE THAT ANY MAN OR WOMEN THAT IS NOT NUTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO AN GUN THEY CHOOSE! I THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT WANTS US TO BOW DOWN TO THEM DEFENSLESSLY! I OWN SEVERAL SEMI-AUTO RIFLES AND I WILL NEVER GIVE THEM UP TO THE GOVERNMENT! MY MAIN QUESTION IS WHY DO THE POLICE NEED HIGH CAPACITY MAGS AND RIFLES WITH A BAYONET MOUNT YET I CAN’T OWN ONE! I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY PERSON THAT WANTS TO INFRINGE ON MY RIGHTS, AND I SUGGEST TO YOU ALL TO DO THE SAME! DON’T BE PUSHED AROUND ANYMORE!