Could Healthcare Kill Russia Probe Compulsive Disorder?

The Fifth Circuit - an apparently conservative and fairly daring circuit if legal commentators are to be believed - has resumed hearing Texas v. Azar. This is the case which produced Fort Worth Texas Judge Reed O’Connor’s ruling that Congress’s removal of the penalty (or mandate) of the ACA left the act with no leg to stand on, because of Chief Justice Roberts’ reasoning back in 2012, where he described the mandate as a tax and therefore concluded the ACA was constitutional.

As the Daily 202's James Hohmann writes:

"If the circuit struck down the ACA, the Supreme Court would likely feel compelled to take up a case that could determine whether an estimated 20 million people lose coverage, keeping the issue front and center into 2020. Nearly every American would be affected in some way by the outcome."

If the high court took up the case, many analysts presume that Chief Justice John Roberts would find a way to save the law again, as he did in 2012. But the dynamics have changed in the past seven years."

Yes, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh would likely rule against the ACA given their legal record, although I wonder if Kavanaugh is as safe a bet on that as Gorsuch seems to be. And President Trump, if you think back to the presidential campaign, actually promised a fairly populist approach to healthcare, rather than the standard GOP view that public healthcare is too expensive and too bureaucratic.

Once he was in power, however, President Trump allowed Paul Ryan to try and set the tone for a repeal and replace move in Congress, only to have moderates like Maine's Senator Collins and Alaska's Murkowski as well as maverick, late Senator McCain vote it down, along with Democrats of course in July of 2017.

The GOP doesn't want to go back there after that failure it seems.

But the 5th circuit and then the Supreme Court may force them to. Imagine if the 5th overturns and it goes on appeal to the Supreme Court just as the 2020 campaign really kicks into gear later this year? Imagine the Democrat primaries with dozens of candidates trying to outdo each other by painting Republicans as healthcare killers and promising free everything to everyone in America, but especially healthcare?

Healthcare matters and is a central issue to voters. The ACA is not overwhelmingly popular, but it is certainly popular enough and has gained support since repeal and replace crashed and burned. The only thing that might take the opposition's eyes off the ball is if they continue to insist on endless committee investigations to prop up the Russia-probe zombie which should be dead and buried but will not die.

So, what does President Trump do? Because as he found out in the spring and summer of 2017, "Nobody knew healthcare could be this complicated!"

Welp, in America it certainly can be. It is a complex system with lots of moving parts and radically different solutions out there. And all of them seem to be propped up on some subset of assumptions that often are proven unrealistic because of the behavior of key players, like hospital groups, for example.

So, President Trump should hopefully have a well-thought out plan, or two or three, if the 5th actually does issue a broad declaration of the ACA's constitutionality. Because if this goes to the Supreme Court, it may be what finally gets America and the world to leave Russia-Probe-Compulsive-Disorder (RPCD) behind.

Healthcare: the cure for Russia-Probe-Compulsive-Disorder?

Posted by Keeley at March 29, 2019 12:09 PM
Comments
Comment #440784

Any new healthcare system cannot must be mostly market driven, and regulated to a certain degree by government (preferably by the states mostly; and not mostly the federal government).
All along, the federal government could have offered non-profit health insurance to everyone who wanted to participate, for the lowest premiums possible.
But, the government never tried that.
Why not?
Because the federal government would most likely not be able to provide better healthcare than a regulated-private-health insurance system.
And that is why people like Kamala Harris want to eliminate private-health insurance (which is unconstitutional).
But when did Democrats ever worry about the constitution?
The federal government (centralized) is simply not able to administer things efficiently.
For example, consider $70 Billion per year in Medicare fraud. Consider hundreds of billion$ per year in waste and fraud.
And Democrats want to take control of all health insurance!?!
The $22 Trillion national debt is not helping matters either.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 29, 2019 12:51 PM
Comment #440785

CORRECTION: Any new healthcare system cannot must be mostly market driven, and regulated to a certain degree by government (preferably by the states mostly; and not mostly the federal government).

Posted by: d.a.n at March 29, 2019 12:53 PM
Comment #440788

Why D.? The ACA health insurance was market driven. The for profit health care system is market driven. Yet double digit increases year after year was the norm. Even now with Trumps attacks on the ACA the cost are going up with fear being used as the reasoning. We are the only market driven system in the first world countries and we also pay the highest rates for everything and don’t get the results other countries do. We are practically developing nation status when it comes to healthcare .

So the only reason I can see for your market driven nonsense is ideology. It needs to fall within the conservative ideal despite it being a national shame.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 29, 2019 1:48 PM
Comment #440790

“We are the only market driven system in the first world countries and we also pay the highest rates for everything and don’t get the results other countries do.”

I ask j2t2, my “grave-digging” Pal to prove his assertions. I demand verifiable facts we can all read.

Here’s a hint Pal. Very rich people come to the United States for cutting edge medical treatment they can’t get anywhere else. And, the world uses pharmaceuticals mostly developed by American companies.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 29, 2019 4:06 PM
Comment #440791

Author, nothing can cure the Enemy Of The People, Cahooter and Colluder, and Stochastic Terrorist Traitor Moronidiotimbecile Kook of his russia probe disorder, because he’s guilty. He knows he’s guilty because he takes orders from Putain. The reich wing also knows that he’s guilty. They’re just covering for him because he’s somehow “on their side” for trying to get rid of Black President Care. Does he ever call it The Affordable Care Act at The Hillbilly Nuremburg Rallies?

During the 2016 Presidential Campaign, even Deutsche Bank refused him a loan for Turnberry, another money pit that will never turn a profit, but he got the money. From where? The money trees growing in his garden? Did the windmills blow it his way? BTW, the Virginia Grand Jury is still there, investigating “all of them witches”. So it ain’t over till the fat baby goes home to NY to get arrested there if the Senate refuses to do it’s duty and remove the traitor.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 29, 2019 4:17 PM
Comment #440793

Didn’t the government insist that men pay for women’s issues coverage and make people pay for birth control? Didn’t the government sue a bunch of nuns because they wouldn’t pay for insurance that provided abortions?

Those are not free market practices. No one can make the clame that the ACA follows free market principals. The healthcare industry hasn’t been in a free market for decades.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 29, 2019 4:19 PM
Comment #440811

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=12038

Students say they like Socialism as long as it doesn’t affect them.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 29, 2019 4:29 PM
Comment #440813

The ACA was another Democrap hoax, it was not market driven, and the penalty was still effective through 2018.
Obama told a lot of lies, and used the nuclear option to pass it in the Senate.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 29, 2019 5:45 PM
Comment #440814

The ACA also limited the types of plans.
Some people only wanted catastrophic coverage.
Some wanted different levels of protection.
Some wanted no insurance.
People couldn’t buy insurance across state lines.
The ACA was none of that.
So how was ACA market driven?
The ACA was a total failure, created by socialists that don’t have a clue about real market-driven principles (with some regulation).

Posted by: d.a.n at March 29, 2019 5:51 PM
Comment #440815

The ACA was also not sustainable.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 29, 2019 5:52 PM
Comment #440816

Question?

Would Socializing the USA be found constitutional? Or, would Socialism conflict with our Bill of Rights?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 29, 2019 6:21 PM
Comment #440855

“We are the only market driven system in the first world countries and we also pay the highest rates for everything and don’t get the results other countries do.”

I ask j2t2, my “grave-digging” Pal to prove his assertions. I demand verifiable facts we can all read.

Now that is irony isn’t it Royal. You say I am “grave-digging” yet you support the “market driven” healthcare system that has us last, amongst 13 high income countries,in infant mortality rates and longevity rates!

Here’s a hint Pal. Very rich people come to the United States for cutting edge medical treatment they can’t get anywhere else. And, the world uses pharmaceuticals mostly developed by American companies.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2015/oct/us-health-care-global-perspective?fbclid=IwAR09f08jUv0gu4_3xjaSufY9v9Jy2IQIDDUF8R1JGxfivKKSAbq_VrDyMMw

Posted by: j2t2 at March 30, 2019 11:13 AM
Comment #440856

Here’s a hint Pal. Very rich people come to the United States for cutting edge medical treatment they can’t get anywhere else.

So where do these very rich come from Royal? I wonder why you think this proves anything. I mean is the American healthcare system meant to be for the very rich from the middle east or 3rd world nations lacking in good medical care? Or is the point of the American healthcare system meant to be for Americans including those that aren’t very rich? While you are at it, I ask Royal, my “grave-digging” Pal to prove his assertions. I demand verifiable facts we can all read.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-overall-mortality-rate-1980-2015

Posted by: j2t2 at March 30, 2019 11:52 AM
Comment #440859

j2t2 wants free stuff, and links to a site (www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2015/oct/us-health-care-global-perspective?fbclid=IwAR09f08jUv0gu4_3xjaSufY9v9Jy2IQIDDUF8R1JGxfivKKSAbq_VrDyMMw), which proves nothing, and ignores the many disadvantages of government-run healthcare:

  • (01) Long wait times;
  • (02) leads to a socialist state, and is the first step towards the government controlling other aspects of the economy;
  • (03) rationing; it may limit services;
  • (04) higher taxes;
  • (05) no competition / no inovation; quality of care will most likely decrease; it can limit new technologies;
  • (06) it takes a long time; remember the incompetence of the roll-out of the Obamacare website?
  • (07) DEBT: government debt increased significantly in all countries that adopted universal healthcare; the U.S. already has a $22 Trillion national debt.
  • (08) welfare: we already have welfare; Medicaid already exists for people that cannot afford to pay;
  • (09) people over 65 already have single-payer healthcare (Medicare); how will it be impacted?
  • (10) Medicare already has about $70 Billion per year in Medicare fraud; what will it be for universal heatlhcare?
  • (11) it requires people to pay for things they never use;
  • (12) long wait times and bureaucracy may lead people to be less careful about their health;
  • (13) it may limit the accuracy of patient care; governments are not very good at inovation and keeping records;
  • (14) it requires significant bugdeting skills (which governments are not very good at);
  • (15) the federal government is horrible at administering most (if not all) things; simply consider $70 Billion per year in Medicare fraud; billions in Social Security fraud annually; many hundreds of billions wasted annually by the federal government; $0.73 Billion per day in losses due to illegal immigration (source: KlowdTV.com);
  • (16) how will it affect charity hospitals like Saint Jude’s, Childrens’ Hospital, etc.?
  • (17) it will fail for the same reason the ACA has failed; the federal government is not competent enough to administer any single-payer system, and the larger it is, the worse it will be; The U.S. has 328 Million people, and the following 12 countries (which j2t2 linked to) have 455 Million people: France, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Japan, Norway, Australia, United Kingdom;
  • (18) With open-borders and defective asylum laws, the system will be over-run by illegal immigrants; already, 84 hospitals have closed in the U.S. near the U.S./Mexico border (source: www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf ; www.veoh.com/videos/e143139mKtgs87s?searchId=7568362616461630851&rank=7).
Trying to eliminate health insurance companies (such as Kamala Harris and similar ilk want to do) would be illegal, because it is not constitutional. The government cannot ban an insurance industry without changing the constitution first. Besides, why would the government care if private insurance exists, if government-run healthcare is so much better ?!?
Why?

Besides, all the government has to do is create their non-profit government-run health insurance, charge the lowest premiums possible, and the private health insurance companies would go out of business.
Right?
Wrong !
That’s because the federal government doesn’t do anything efficiently.
Consider the current $70 Billion per year in Medicare fraud, and hundreds of Billion$ wasted and stolen annually.
There are some things the government must do, but it doesn’t do most (if any) of them efficiently.
Only a complete moron would believe the federal government does most (if any) things efficiently, when the evidence to the contrary would fill volumes.
Simply Google “federal government waste” and visit www.cagw.org/ , 50 examples of government waste , www.rd.com/culture/wasteful-government-spending-examples/ , www.usnews.com/news/slideshows/rand-pauls-festivus-reveals-1b-in-wasteful-government-spending , www.nationalreview.com/2015/12/top-10-wasteful-government-expenses/ , …

  • [01] $0.73 Billion per day due to illegal immigration;
  • [02] $283,500 on Department of Defense bird-watching;
  • [03] $48,500 to wrote about Russian smokers;
  • [04] $406,419 to look at a “chicken and egg” problem;
  • [05] $3.1 billion on vacation for federal employees placed on administrative leave;
  • [06] $5,000 for a documentary film about Madison County, North Carolina’s best fiddler;
  • [07] Nearly $150,000 to understand why politics stress us out;
  • [08] Regulating llama farmers out of existence;
  • [09] $65,473 to figure out what bugs do near a lightbulb;
  • [10] Making Americans do their dishes twice;
  • [11] $35,000 for solar-powered beer;
  • [12] The federal government made at least $72 billion in improper payments in 2008.
  • [13] Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.
  • [14] Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.
  • [15] Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them — costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually — fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve.
  • [16] The Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” series identifying more than $100 billion in potential spending cuts.
  • [17] Examples from multiple Government Accountability Office (GAO) reports of wasteful duplication include 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 safe water programs.
  • [18] Washington will spend $2.6 million training Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly on the job.
  • [19] A GAO audit classified nearly half of all purchases on government credit cards as improper, fraudulent, or embezzled. Examples of taxpayer-funded purchases include gambling, mortgage payments, liquor, lingerie, iPods, Xboxes, jewelry, Internet dating services, and Hawaiian vacations. In one extraordinary example, the Postal Service spent $13,500 on one dinner at a Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse, including “over 200 appetizers and over $3,000 of alcohol, including more than 40 bottles of wine costing more than $50 each and brand-name liquor such as Courvoisier, Belvedere and Johnny Walker Gold.” The 81 guests consumed an average of $167 worth of food and drink apiece.
  • [20] Federal agencies are delinquent on nearly 20 percent of employee travel charge cards, costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually.
  • [21] The Securities and Exchange Commission spent $3.9 million rearranging desks and offices at its Washington, D.C., headquarters.
  • [22] The Pentagon recently spent $998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida.
  • [23] Over half of all farm subsidies go to commercial farms, which report average household incomes of $200,000.
  • [24] Health care fraud is estimated to cost taxpayers more than $60 billion annually.
  • [25] A GAO audit found that 95 Pentagon weapons systems suffered from a combined $295 billion in cost overruns.
  • [26] The refusal of many federal employees to fly coach costs taxpayers $146 million annually in flight upgrades.
  • [27] Washington will spend $126 million in 2009 to enhance the Kennedy family legacy in Massachusetts. Additionally, Senator John Kerry (D-MA) diverted $20 million from the 2010 defense budget to subsidize a new Edward M. Kennedy Institute.
  • [28] Federal investigators have launched more than 20 criminal fraud investigations related to the TARP financial bailout.
  • [29] Despite trillion-dollar deficits, last year’s 10,160 earmarks included $200,000 for a tattoo removal program in Mission Hills, California; $190,000 for the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, Wyoming; and $75,000 for the Totally Teen Zone in Albany, Georgia.
  • [30] The federal government owns more than 50,000 vacant homes.
  • [31] The Federal Communications Commission spent $350,000 to sponsor NASCAR driver David Gilliland.
  • [32] Members of Congress have spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars supplying their offices with popcorn machines, plasma televisions, DVD equipment, ionic air fresheners, camcorders, and signature machines — plus $24,730 leasing a Lexus, $1,434 on a digital camera, and $84,000 on personalized calendars.
  • [33] More than $13 billion in Iraq aid has been classified as wasted or stolen. Another $7.8 billion cannot be accounted for.
  • [34] Fraud related to Hurricane Katrina spending is estimated to top $2 billion. In addition, debit cards provided to hurricane victims were used to pay for Caribbean vacations, NFL tickets, Dom Perignon champagne, “Girls Gone Wild” videos, and at least one se*x change operation.
  • [35] Auditors discovered that 900,000 of the 2.5 million recipients of emergency Katrina assistance provided false names, addresses, or Social Security numbers or submitted multiple applications.
  • [36] Congress recently gave Alaska Airlines $500,000 to paint a Chinook salmon on a Boeing 737.
  • [37] The Transportation Department will subsidize up to $2,000 per flight for direct flights between Washington, D.C., and the small hometown of Congressman Hal Rogers (R-KY) — but only on Monday mornings and Friday evenings, when lawmakers, staff, and lobbyists usually fly. Rogers is a member of the Appropriations Committee, which writes the Transportation Department’s budget.
  • [38] Washington has spent $3 billion re-sanding beaches — even as this new sand washes back into the ocean.
  • [39] A Department of Agriculture report concedes that much of the $2.5 billion in “stimulus” funding for broadband Internet will be wasted.
    The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were refundable.
  • [40] Washington spends $60,000 per hour shooting Air Force One photo-ops in front of national landmarks.
  • [41] Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 on admission to entertainment events, $48,250 on gambling, $69,300 on cruises, and $73,950 on exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.
  • [42] Members of Congress are set to pay themselves $90 million to increase their franked mailings for the 2010 election year.
  • [43] Congress has ignored efficiency recommendations from the Department of Health and Human Services that would save $9 billion annually.
  • [44] Taxpayers are funding paintings of high-ranking government officials at a cost of up to $50,000 apiece.
  • [45] The state of Washington sent $1 food stamp checks to 250,000 households in order to raise state caseload figures and trigger $43 million in additional federal funds.
  • [46] Suburban families are receiving large farm subsidies for the grass in their backyards — subsidies that many of these families never requested and do not want.
  • [47] Congress appropriated $20 million for “commemoration of success” celebrations related to Iraq and Afghanistan.
  • [48] Homeland Security employee purchases include 63-inch plasma TVs, iPods, and $230 for a beer brewing kit.
  • [49] Two drafting errors in the 2005 Deficit Reduction Act resulted in a $2 billion taxpayer cost.
  • [50] North Ridgeville, Ohio, received $800,000 in “stimulus” funds for a project that its mayor described as “a long way from the top priority.”
  • [51] The National Institutes of Health spends $1.3 million per month to rent a lab that it cannot use.
  • [52] Congress recently spent $2.4 billion on 10 new jets that the Pentagon insists it does not need and will not use.
  • [53] Lawmakers diverted $13 million from Hurricane Katrina relief spending to build a museum celebrating the Army Corps of Engineers — the agency partially responsible for the failed levees that flooded New Orleans.
  • [54] Medicare officials recently mailed $50 million in erroneous refunds to 230,000 Medicare recipients.
  • [55] Audits showed $34 billion worth of Department of Homeland Security contracts contained significant waste, fraud, and abuse.
  • [56] Washington recently spent $1.8 million to help build a private golf course in Atlanta, Georgia.
  • [57] The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses; 40 percent of this funding goes to Fortune 500 companies.
  • [58] Congressional investigators were able to receive $55,000 in federal student loan funding for a fictional college they created to test the Department of Education.
  • [59] The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually not to farm their land.
  • [60] The Commerce Department has lost 1,137 computers since 2001, many containing Americans’ personal data.
  • [61] $85 Million Spent Building an Unfinished Hotel in Kabul.
  • [62] In late 2016, the Department of Transportation gave San Diego a $1.04 billion grant to expand the city’s trolley service…by a whopping 10.9 miles.
  • [63] The GAO found that in 2015, federal agencies and departments spent $55 billion of that budget on preserving older technology, rather than using newer and more efficient forms of computing and storage.
  • [64] The federal government has spent $1.6 billion of your hard-earned tax dollars buying 64,500 cars, vans and trucks at an average cost of $25,600 each.
  • [65] $1.2 Million Researching the Social Habits of Monkeys.
  • [66] $1 million to tell women not to get in a tanning bed.
  • [67] Spending $495,000 for an exhibit about “medieval smells”.
  • [68] Spending $3.5 million to expand the U.S. wine market.
  • [69] $70 Billion per year in Medicare fraud.
  • [70] Billions spent of 42 different overlapping programs for medical transporation.
  • [71] Spending $500,000 to text Americans about not chewing tobacco.
  • [72] Spending $106 million more than budgeted ($48.7 million) for an office building in Afghanistan.
  • [73] Funding a $400,000 study about studying glaciers from a feminist perspective.
  • [74] Dumping $76.5 million on a plane that doesn’t fly.
  • [75] Spending $500,000 on a documentary about libraries.
  • [76] Taking 13 years and $180 million to form Homeland Security. The Department of Homeland Security was created by combining 22 separate government agencies into one after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. No one doubts that the department’s work is important and necessary, but in the years since, the agencies have continued to use different HR methods with separate computer systems. According to the GAO, the department has made “very limited progress” in addressing certain areas of improvement for consolidating its systems and resources.
  • [77] Paying $225,000 for technology recommendations we already have.
  • [78] Allocating twice the space and money necessary for Native American prisons.
  • [79] Spending $600,000 for inoperable drones.
  • [80] Licensing fees for the lush green camouflage pattern on the Afghan National Army uniforms cost the Pentagon $28 million in 2017. But because the outfits stand out against sand, and because Afghanistan is 98 percent desert, they were deemed unwearable.
  • [81] The American government’s expenses include about $80 million every year to look after wild horses held in federal pens. Experts say the pens are unhealthily overpopulated, with capacity for about 27,000 horses but an actual population of 105,000 animals.
  • [82] If you’re not a fan of the Grateful Dead, you may well be perplexed by the $615,175 given to the University of California-Santa Cruz by the Institute of Museum and Library Services to digitize its collection of Dead tickets, photos, T-shirts and other memorabilia donated by the band, scholars and fans.
  • [83] How much is too much for a bus shelter? A “SuperStop” bus stop in Arlington County, Virginia, received $1 million in federal funding. Its pricey bells and whistles include Wi-Fi, heated benches and sidewalks, and an etched-glass wall.
  • [84] After examining the drinking habits of college students for more than a decade, several National Institutes of Health–funded studies drew these conclusions: Fraternity and sorority members drink more than their peers, and more alcohol is consumed on game days. So that’s $5 million for information everyone already knows.
  • [85] In an effort to determine whether animals other than humans associate the color red with romance, the National Institutes of Health spent $230,000 on research that involved showing male and female macaques images such as seashells and other monkeys’ behinds. Red images apparently garnered a stronger reaction from the female macaques, so that’s one small step for man and one giant leap for monkeys’ behinds.
  • [86] If you had a nickel for every time you wondered if cats and dogs drink differently, how much richer would you be? It’s unlikely you’d be $1.3 million richer, which is how much the National Science Foundation spent on research revealing that “dogs drink quite differently than cats.”
  • [87] To bark or not to bark? That wasn’t the only question surrounding “Doggie Hamlet,” which received a $30,000 grant from the National Endowment for the Arts. The live production of the famous Shakespeare play apparently involved human actors running toward sheep and dogs in a New Hampshire field.
  • [88] Studying Syrian refugees … in Iceland
    It sort of makes sense that the Icelandic government should request a study of the public services provided to around 60 Syrian refugees in the small northern country. It makes considerably less sense that the National Science Foundation spent $40,000 on the report.
  • [89] Air Force wastes big bucks: The bad news: 10 years after the Air Force began working on upgrading its Air Operations Center, the uncompleted project was cancelled. The worse news: About $745 million had already been spent.
  • [90] Millions spent on thousands of idle vehicles: Between them, Customs and Border Protection and the Department of Agriculture’s Natural Resources Conservation Service spent more than $13.5 million in 2015 to maintain more than 2,000 vehicles that could not be shown to have been used in more than a year.
  • [91] Repeated research on redheads: In 2013, the National Institutes of Health highlighted a comprehensive study that examined redheads’ genetic predisposition to sunburns and, in turn, to developing melanoma. Two years later, the NIH began investing more than $1.1 million to repeat research into “why red-haired individuals are so prone to developing melanoma.”
  • [92] Space: The wasteful frontier: The mere existence of the multimillion-dollar Pacific Spaceport Complex - Alaska seems wasteful enough, what with its single rocket launch in the last seven years having been a calamitous failure. But the fact that the Missile Defense Agency is spending as much as $80.4 million to prop up the disused facility lands the place squarely on this list.
  • [93] Extreme robot depreciation: When the Department of Veterans Affairs spent $313,000 on a pair of robots, the plan was to have the machines “assist with the distribution of supplies” in Wisconsin’s Madison VA Medical Center. But after going unused for two years, the robots were sold back to the manufacturer for less than $2,000.
  • [94] IRS takes, then wastes: Since 2014, the Internal Revenue Service has spent $12 million on an email archiving system it hasn’t used. Why? According to a review by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, the system was purchased “without first determining project infrastructure needs, integration requirements, business requirements, security and portal bandwidth, and whether the subscriptions were technologically feasible on the IRS enterprise.” Translation: Facepalm!
  • [95] Renos for a criminal: The bad news: The Federal Emergency Management Agency is spending $326,000 on upgrades to an often-flooded private home valued at $331,000. The worse news: The house belongs to former Olympic gold medalist Steven E. Riddick, a repeat convict who doesn’t even live in the place full time.
  • [96] Lose the race, win big money: Former Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley received less than one percent of the vote in Iowa’s Democratic caucuses, but his short-lived 2016 presidential campaign still produced a check for $1,088,929.29 from the presidential public funding program administered by the Federal Election Commission.
  • [97] Charging for chimps: Despite halting funding for biomedical research conducted on chimps in 2015, the National Institutes of Health continues to maintain the National Center for Chimpanzee Care to the tune of $2.6 million a year instead of safely relinquishing its 139 apes to sanctuaries or zoos.
  • [98] Missing in action: While it has been confirmed that more than $1 billion worth of small arms, mortars, Humvees, and other equipment has made it to Iraq, the Department of Defense’s Inspector General has reported that the DOD is unable to show that any of it was actually transferred to Iraqi security forces as was intended.
  • [99] Sen. James Lankford’s government waste report (NOV-2017) totals over $473 billion (source: www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/27/james-lankfords-government-waste-report-totals-ove/);
Again, only a complete moron would believe the federal government does most (if any) things efficiently, when the evidence to the contrary would fill volumes.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 30, 2019 12:50 PM
Comment #440860

j2t2 conveniently ignores the fact that those cherry-picked nations are much smaller than the U.S. with a popualtion of 328 Million:

  • (01) France: 67 Million;
  • (02) Sweden: 10 Million;
  • (03) Germany: 83 Million;
  • (04) Netherlands: 17 Million;
  • (05) Switzerland: 8.4 Million;
  • (06) Denmark: 5.7 Million;
  • (07) New Zealand: 4.8 Million;
  • (08) Canada: 37 Million;
  • (09) Japan: 127 Million;
  • (10) Norway: 5.3 Million;
  • (11) Australia: 24.6 Million;
  • (12) United Kingdom: 66 Million;
  • _______________________________
  • TOTAL: 446 Million

Posted by: d.a.n at March 30, 2019 1:06 PM
Comment #440861

With the current debt at $22 Trillion, government-run healthcare would be a disaster, just like Obamacare was, which increased costs drastically, and will most likely bankrupt the U.S.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 30, 2019 1:08 PM
Comment #440862

Also D.a.n. the taxes in those countries are very high.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at March 30, 2019 1:21 PM
Comment #440864

Yes, taxes (despite being cherry-picked) are very high in those countries listed above.

I think a lot of people want socialism, because they think they are going to get free stuff.
That will be true for a some people, but it won’t be true for most people.
Also, government-run healthcare will be so incredibly mismanaged, it will be a huge disaster.
There’s also no need for it, because we already have welfare, Medicaid, and Medicare.
Unfortunately, socialists are wanting to gain more and more control, by growing the welfare state (i.e. buying votes), and the voters don’t really understand what they will be getting, when the federal government is too incompetent to manage most (if not all) things.

But none of this matters, because Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said the world is going to end in 12 years, due to climate change.

There is one thing people should probably be more worried about than climate change, but that one thing will probably contribute drastically to worsening climate change, and exacerbate most (if not all) problems.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 30, 2019 2:26 PM
Comment #440867

For proof that the United States has a poor record in health care compared to the rest of the developed world, j2t2 uses a link to:

“The Commonwealth Fund — a private foundation.” This foundation list as “experts”, one M.D. who is the president and two women vice presidents with no listed credentials. It is a Washington D.C. lobby for socialist. Wonderful PROOF Pal.

j2t2 then attempts to convince us that because the very wealthy of the world come to the U.S. for health care, it means that our health care is only for the very rich.

What a twit. How can one carry on a conversation with a person who uses such logic.

I must admit that j2t2 is attempting to flatter me by using some of my language. Well…flatter away j2t2, perhaps in doing so you may learn something.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 30, 2019 3:38 PM
Comment #440869

U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Kevin McAleenan said Wednesday during a visit to El Paso that the border had hit its “breaking point” and urged Congress to come up with legislative solutions to the problem.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/30/migrants-overflow-border-federal-facilities-local-strain-wall-trump/3309462002/

This morning I listened to Robert Francis O’Rourke giving a campaign speech in El Paso, TX. I believe I heard him say that, (paraphrasing) “If elected president, I will tear down the chain link fence keeping immigrants from crossing over into our city”.

President Trump has announced that he may close our Southern border next week. Serious people have spoken about this illegal border crossing problem including some from the Obama administration.

Yet, we have “BETO” promising to tear down the very walls that protect American citizens from hoards of immigrants.

I have a suggestion for the president. Rent thousands of buses and hire drivers to take these immigrants for which we have no place to detain to California and New York. Drop these illegals off at the City Hall of every major city in those states. Also, give these illegals maps to guide them to the homes of politicians and celebrities. Drop thousands off along Rodeo Drive and in the Hollywood Hills.


Posted by: Royal Flush at March 30, 2019 3:52 PM
Comment #440870

This entire thread should be deleted,

Posted by: ohrealy at March 30, 2019 3:53 PM
Comment #440872
Ed O’hrealy wrote: This entire thread should be deleted.
Why? Only because you disagree?
At least j2t2 tries to argue his case ?
It’s certainly not very Democratic to want to want to silence those you disagree with is it ?
However, that’s is a huge improvement over your typical comments.
Posted by: d.a.n at March 30, 2019 4:10 PM
Comment #440873
Royal Flush wrote: I have a suggestion for the president. Rent thousands of buses and hire drivers to take these immigrants for which we have no place to detain to California and New York. Drop these illegals off at the City Hall of every major city in those states. Also, give these illegals maps to guide them to the homes of politicians and celebrities. Drop thousands off along Rodeo Drive and in the Hollywood Hills.
That’s an excellent idea!

Those two states have the most homicides by non-citizens, but many politicians and people (if not most) in both states do not seem to care?

CALIFORNIA: In California in year 2009, there were 2,430 criminal non-citizens incarcerated for homicide.
In California, in year 2009, there were 28,030 criminals incarcerated for homicide.
In California, in year 2009, there are (based on Pew Research Center) 2.5 Million illegal immigrants in California.
In California, in year 2009, the state population is 37 Million.
Therefore, the homicide rate of illegal immigrants in California in year 2009 is = (2,430 / 2.5 Million) = 0.000972 .
And the homicide rate for U.S. citizens in California in year 2009 is = (28,030 - 2,430) / (37 Million - 2.5 Million) = 0.000742 .
Therefore, the homicide rate for criminal non-citizens in California in year 2009 is (0.000972 / 0.000742) = 1.31 which is 31% higher than the homicide rate for U.S. citizens.

NEW YORK: In New York in year 2009, there were 1,350 criminal non-citizens incarcerated for homicide.
In New York, in year 2009, there were 10,254 criminals incarcerated for homicide.
In New York, in year 2009, there are (based on Pew Research Center) 800,000 illegal immigrants in New York.
In New York, in year 2009, the state population is 19.3 Million.
Therefore, the homicide rate for illegal immigrants in New York in year 2009 is = (1,350 / 800,000 ) = 0.0016875 .
And the homicide rate for U.S. citizens in New York in year 2009 is = (10,254 - 1,350) / (19.3 Million - 800,000) = 0.000481 .
Therefore, the homicide rate for criminal non-citizens in New York in year 2009 is (0.0016875 / 0.000481) = 3.51 which is 251% higher than the homicide rate by U.S. citizens.

Harvard-Harris Poll (17-to-19-JAN-2018; 980 persons polled):

  • 79%: (87%Rep, 79%Ind, 72%Dem): Want Merit Based Immigration
  • 79%: (93%Rep, 80%Ind, 68%Dem): Want Secure Borders
  • 61%: (84%Rep, 64%Ind, 40%Dem): Say Current Border is Inadequate
  • 68%: (78%Rep, 65%Ind, 62%Dem): Want to End the VISA Lottery
  • 54%: (85%Rep, 54%Ind, 30%Dem): Want physical and electronic border barrier
  • 60%: (93%Rep, 80%Ind, 68%Dem): Say NO to DACA Relatives

Posted by: d.a.n at March 30, 2019 4:35 PM
Comment #440875

The Power Of Nightmares: Part 1 Baby Its Cold Outside (2004)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTg4qnyUGxg

Posted by: ohrealy at March 30, 2019 6:27 PM
Comment #440876

Tr-mp throws tantrum with new threat that could cost US billions:

https://shareblue.com/trump-tantrum-border-us-billions/

Tr-mp holds incredibly bizarre press conference — from his couch:

https://shareblue.com/trump-press-conference-mar-a-lago-couch/

Posted by: ohrealy at March 30, 2019 6:39 PM
Comment #440877

Pelosi: GOP ‘scaredy-cats’ are afraid of what we’ll find on Tr-mp:

https://shareblue.com/pelosi-gop-scaredy-cats-fear-congressional-investigations-trump-crimes/

Tr-mp AG wants more time to redact Mueller report before Congress sees it:

https://shareblue.com/trump-ag-wants-more-time-to-redact-mueller-report-before-congress-sees-it/

Posted by: ohrealy at March 30, 2019 6:42 PM
Comment #440878

Let me take a wild guess at why some person would write “Tr-mp” instead of Trump.

Superstition is the answer. If we misspell a name we cast a spell on that person. We can call forth demons and devils from the darkest regions of hell to torment the unfortunate chosen one.

Or…we simply have a very low IQ and believe the best way to ridicule someone is to misspell their name; or, if we are really angry we call them names.

Then, we take a nap to rest our weary brains.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 30, 2019 6:50 PM
Comment #440880

Wow the a**hats are living in fear today. Royal great job on providing zero facts to back up your BS. Choosing to attack the Commonwealth fund instead of proving anything in their link is wrong and backing it up with . I am glad you are flattered but before you break your arm patting yourself on the back I would suggest evading the request that you put up or shut up is saying you have a weak argument.

D. you too, great list, to bad it is opinion based upon ideology, not fact. What I said was “We are the only market driven system in the first world countries and we also pay the highest rates for everything and don’t get the results other countries do.” And you of course foolishly brayed “j2t2 wants free stuff, and links to a site (www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2015/oct/us-health-care-global-perspective?fbclid=IwAR09f08jUv0gu4_3xjaSufY9v9Jy2IQIDDUF8R1JGxfivKKSAbq_VrDyMMw), which proves nothing, and ignores the many disadvantages of government-run healthcare:”. After I was done laughing at you for this bit of propaganda I realized you are so brainwashed you believe this . So first of all thanks for giving the conservative/neo-NAzi/ authoritarian/Fascist/ Nationalist populist friends here on WB the misinformation. Second, why on earth would you believe I think some Medicare for all system would be free? No one has ever said that…well ….except you when you post “alternative facts”.


You guys just cannot get over the fear your ideology is as stupid as you are. Once again I need to paraphrase you “Again, only a complete moron would believe the Market Driven Healthcare System does most (if any) things efficiently, when the evidence to the contrary would fill volumes.” Third the site I linked to does prove we spend the most with our private health insurance system, and it also proves we don’t get the results for spending so much. Sorry you don’t like real facts but them are the facts.

Of course you continue to babble with your 18 myths about why every other country in the 1st world can do universal health care but we can’t. What a loser, so illogical. But you didn’t stop there did you? No you try to convince us that the government can do anything right so you give us 99 examples that prove absolutely nothing except you will believe anything. Then we have the small population argument. But the amount spent on healthcare is per capita so who gives a crap about your weak argument.

Look D., if the lengthiest post wins arguments your reposting these old myths would win. But the length of the post is just not relevant to the point. So you really don’t win anything but the Goebbels award for most propaganda.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 30, 2019 7:35 PM
Comment #440894
j2t2 wrote: Wow the a**hats are living in fear today. Royal great job on providing zero facts to back up your BS.
Hmmmm … j2t2 sounds a little upset (again)? Ed O’realy too.
Are you also angry with Mueller too?
Are you unhappy that the president did not commit crimes that Mueller and the FAKE NEWS MEDIA spent over two years trying to prove?
j2t2 wrote: You guys just cannot get over the fear your ideology is as stupid as you are.
Nonsense. Stupid is as stupid does.
j2t2 wrote: So you really don’t win anything but the Goebbels award for most propaganda.
j2t2 wrote: D. you too, great list, to bad it is opinion based upon ideology, not fact.
Nonsense. Exactly what facts are not true?
By the way, that list of 99 things is only the tiny tip of the iceberg.
Only a complete moron would believe the federal government does most (if any) things efficiently, when the evidence to the contrary would fill volumes. Also, it is ridiculous to think that population and size of a nation has no bearing on efficiency, and even the people most critical of mostly-market-driven healthcare would admit that healthcare is far easier to manage in smaller and more homogeneous countries. The after population of the 12 countries listed above is 37.2 Million, and the largest is Japan with 127 Million. By the way, Japan also has the worst national Debt-to-GDP ratio (236%) in the world. The U.S. has a population that is 328 Million. Again, the U.S. already has welfare and Medicaid for the truly needy, and Medicare for the elderly. Medicare fraud is currently about $70 Billion per year. What’s it going to be when it is Medicare for all?
j2t2 wrote: No you try to convince us that the government can—> [cannot] do anything right so you give us 99 examples that prove absolutely nothing except you will believe anything.
j2t2, Tell us something that the federal government does efficiently.
j2t2 wrote: What I said was “We are the only market driven system in the first world countries and we also pay the highest rates for everything and don’t get the results other countries do.”
Pardon some of us IF we don’t take your word for it.
Also, as Royal Flush pointed out, the source (The Commonwealth Fund) of your data is suspect. The Weekly Standard (sse: www.weeklystandard.com/david-gratzer-and-merrill-matthews/last-in-credibility) stated:
While Republicans advocate repeal of President Obama’s sweeping health care reforms, Democrats are pulling out all the stops to build support for the legislation. And the president’s party [Obama at the time this was written] has a not-so-secret weapon at its disposal: a network of well-funded academics and researchers working to discredit the existing health care system. The Commonwealth Fund, a liberal think tank headed by a former Democratic staffer, leads the effort.
Typical of the Commonwealth Fund is a recent study claiming that the U.S. health care system ranks last when compared with seven industrialized countries. It’s just the latest in a string of policy studies from organizations that want to see a European-style, government-run health care system brought to these shores. Democratic politicians and their allies then use those studies to bolster the case for dramatic reforms.
However, what “The Commonwealth Fund” convenient fails to mention are these 18 disadvantages of government-run healthcare.
“The Commonwealth Fund” also promoted the ACA, and we see how well that worked out!
And with open-borders, guess what would happen next?
j2t2 wrote: Look D., if the lengthiest post wins arguments your reposting these old myths would win.
The truth is what wins. You should try it some time.

Lastly, thanks again for being he gift that keeps on giving! Keep up the great workM!

Posted by: d.a.n at March 31, 2019 11:02 AM
Comment #440906


Increasing the bureaucracy in health care is a very bad idea.
There is almost no arena in which government offers a product or service cheaper, or more abundantly, than private markets (with some common-sense regulation).
Despite what we often hear, our healthcare system is not a “free market” now.
We already have Medicaid and Medicare.
The U.S. government already spends more on health care per capita than all but 3 countries in the world (as of MAR-2017).
Nearly half of all our health-care dollars are spent by the government.
So, it is no wonder that healthcare costs have spiraled out of control (since 1985, as government meddled more and more in healthcare spending).
In all areas of the health industry, where the government has interfered least, such as cosmetic surgery and eye surgery, we have witnessed either stable or declining prices.
We would therefore do well to move health policy toward a more, not less, free-market solution.

The U.S. Constitution gives us certain rights, and the Declaration of Independence stated that we have “certain unalienable rights,” and “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”, but nowhere does it say anyone must provide you with those things.
No where does it say you have the right to demand product or services from anyone else.

IF healthcare is a right, then ALL doctors are practically slaves (especially if, like Kamala Harris proposed, all private healthcare would be banned).
Does it mean that every American has a right to the skill and knowledge of all physicians and providers?

The problem with what some people consider as a “right”, is that someone else must give it to them.
What if they don’t want to, even IF you pay for the product or service ?
Are you going to force someone to it to give you?

Also, once you start down this path of claiming things you want as “rights”, where does it stop?
Perhaps you will then believe you have a “right” to food, car, house, money, dental implants, breast implants, transplants, se*x-change surgery, clothing, electricity, natural gas, etc., etc., etc.

The U.S. may choose to make laws to protect its citizens from harm, crimes, etc., but that still does not guarantee citizens from harm.
That is why people have a “right” to bear arms, and the choice to protect themselves and their families, which is why the 2nd Amendment is so important. The police cannot be everywhere at the same time.

The U.S. may choose to provide products and services to its citizens (and illegal immigrants too), but that does not mean anyone has a right to those products and services.

Who gets to decide who should receive health care and how much?
Who gets to decide what the health care budget should be?
Who should have the power to make health care decisions for us? Does it mean that anyone can demand the government to pay for hospitalization, for prescription drugs, and for specialty treatments such as organ transplants?

Do proponents of healthcare as a “right” mean everyone should have health insurance?
The problem with this belief is that simply having health insurance does not guarantee timely access to actual medical care.
Every citizen of Canada has government-paid health insurance, but the long wait times for treatment, would be unacceptable for most Americans.

Health care is a necessity of life.
But so is food, shelter, and clothing, but no one is demanding universal “food care” or universal government housing. However, we already have welfare, Medicaid, and Medicare.

People expect access to food, shelter, and clothing.
Americans expect choices and competition when they shop for these necessities of life.
So, why should healthcare be any different?

IF the U.S. had universal foodcare, many of us would probably be starving to death.
Likewise, if private health insurance and private health care are banned, many of us will be waiting for it, and possibly, many will die waiting.

The Veterans Administration hospital system, a comprehensive government-run, single-payer health care program, reveals unacceptable wait times and huge inefficiencies. Fundamentally, government-run healthcare systems ration healthcare, and the quality of care varies greatly.

Health care is an economic activity like many others, and it is a personal interaction between patient and provider. We should work toward putting patients in charge of their health care, reducing the role of government, and not demanding health care as a “right”.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 31, 2019 3:25 PM
Comment #440907

“Third the site I linked to does prove we spend the most with our private health insurance system, and it also proves we don’t get the results for spending so much.”

Good Lord Gravedigger, you bow to the opinion of one M.D.?

Does this guy have all knowledge? Are you really going to hang your “pointy” hat on this guy? Where are the “volume” of facts you talk about? You sound like “pencil head” Adam Schiff, he has facts too he claims.

You are wrong when you say The United States can’t have universal health care. We looked, saw the miserable results, and wisely decided we don’t want total government health care.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 31, 2019 5:10 PM
Comment #440908

Socialized medicine update: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries as NHS hospitals face winter crisis

“In the U.K., having the government “guarantee” healthcare while trying to contain costs results in strained medical services, turning one of the largest economies in the world into a “third world”-like environment. The NHS “guarantee” doesn’t always translate into actual access to care when you need it.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/socialized-medicine-update-britain-cancels-50-000-surgeries-as-nhs-hospitals-face-winter-crisis

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 31, 2019 6:04 PM
Comment #440909

A&E hospital waiting times hit worst level since NHS records began, figures show

“NHS leaders said Thursday’s (2/14/2019) figures must be a wakeup call to the government that chronic underfunding in social care and a mounting staffing crisis is creating dangers for patients.

The Royal College of Emergency Medicine (RCEM) said the pressures had been normalised by years of cuts to beds and staff, and A&Es are now in “chronic crisis”. “These figures make clear the true scale of this crisis facing our systems,” RCEM president Dr Taj Hassan said.

This is being driven by the increasing elderly population, but also stems from a decade-long funding squeeze which means accessing social care services, GPs and other preventative services has been made harder.

More than 164,000 patients waited over two weeks to see a consultant after being urgently referred by their GP because of suspected cancer in 2018, a 50 per cent rise on 2017, end of year data also released on Thursday shows. Around 4,600 patients waited more than the target of two months to start treatment after a referral, which was a 17 per cent increase.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-crisis-hospital-waiting-times-winter-patients-england-flu-weather-a8778886.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 31, 2019 6:18 PM
Comment #440912

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Comment #440931

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Posted by: d.a.n at April 1, 2019 7:33 AM
Comment #440952

Wow the a**hats continue to grasp at straws.

Time to pick a winner for the “Circular Logic” award-

Roayl proclaims “The Commonwealth Fund — a private foundation.” This foundation list as “experts”, one M.D. who is the president and two women vice presidents with no listed credentials. It is a Washington D.C. lobby for socialist. Wonderful PROOF Pal.”

D. in all seriousness actually tells us “But none of this matters, because Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said the world is going to end in 12 years, due to climate change.”

In another comment D. then says “Hmmmm … j2t2 sounds a little upset (again)? Ed O’realy too.
Are you also angry with Mueller too?” Which is a diversion from the subject. I mean D. did you ask Royal if he was a little upset for his twit comment? Were you and Royal upset when you called us grave diggers? A**hats and f**ktards with double standards.

D. illogically tells us the weekly standard is right
“Also, as Royal Flush pointed out, the source (The Commonwealth Fund) of your data is suspect. The Weekly Standard (sse: www.weeklystandard.com/david-gratzer-and-merrill-matthews/last-in-credibility) stated:”
as if these guys attacking the messenger is somehow proof of anything. We don’t like your facts so we attack your messenger!

Not to be outdone when it comes to stupid comments Royal tells us “Good Lord Gravedigger, you bow to the opinion of one M.D.?

Does this guy have all knowledge? Are you really going to hang your “pointy” hat on this guy? Where are the “volume” of facts you talk about? “

Really Royal now you demand a volume of facts! Yet you fail to give us any facts to back up your opinions! I guess this disingenuous approach is what you can muster up… but why are you raising the bar for me to provide a “volume” of facts when you can’t produce squat to disprove what Commonwealth Fund has provided?

But Royal doesn’t stop there, he continues with “You are wrong when you say The United States can’t have universal health care. We looked, saw the miserable results, and wisely decided we don’t want total government health care.” as if I said we couldn’t have universal health care and as if the ACA was universal health care. Yet he calls others “twit”!

D. then says “However, what “The Commonwealth Fund” convenient fails to mention are these 18 disadvantages of government-run healthcare.
“The Commonwealth Fund” also promoted the ACA, and we see how well that worked out!”

which of course fails the intelligence test due to the illogical argument. It can’t be right because it didn’t post D.’s 18 myths of conservative ideology along with the factual information. Of course he also fails to mention the repub attacks on the ACA over the last decade. Conservatives intentionally sabotaging the health care system because it is inconsistent with their dogma is no reason to suggest the Commonwealth Fund facts are incorrect.

Of course Royal still isn’t done he spews out quotes from the Washington Examiner! After using his weak argument that the Commonwealth Fund is biased! But to top it off he quotes the Independent “NHS leaders said Thursday’s (2/14/2019) figures must be a wakeup call to the government that chronic underfunding in social care and a mounting staffing crisis is creating dangers for patients.” to explain why the British system is having problems. Seems the conservatives in England have to resort to the tactics of their American counterparts because of the cognitive dissonance they suffer from.

Good job Royal the “circular logic award” is yours for the week.

So you guys went thought this big to-do and yet not one fact has been disputed from the Commonwealth link. You have lied, denied, cried, used myth and misinformation, half truths and outright lies, you have thrown in everything but the kitchen sink, used red herrings and strawman arguments, and claimed bias without anything to prove the results of the study was biased!

I feel like I am picking on the one legged man in the a**kicking contest with you guys.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 1, 2019 11:31 AM
Comment #440954
j2t2 wrote: Were you and Royal upset when you called us grave diggers? A**hats and f**ktards with double standards.
Whaaaahhhhh !!!
Did your rant above make you feel better now!
Perhaps the source of the majority of your frustration is actually due to the weakness of your arguments?
“grave-digger” is not nearly has nasty and vulgar as calling people (who you disagree with) A**hats and f**ktards, but we know that par-for-the-course for j2t2.
  • The U.S. government already spends more on health care per capita than all but 3 countries in the world (as of MAR-2017).
  • Nearly half of all our health-care dollars are spent by the government.
  • And that is why healthcare costs have spiraled out of control (since 1985, as government meddled more and more in healthcare spending, and added prescription drugs to Medicare, ACA, etc.).
  • and these 18 problems with government-run healthcare.
Sorry, but you have not provided nearly enough evidence to make me believe that government-run healthcare will be more efficient, when it has already proven it is not.
Again, as always, thanks for being the gift that keeps on giving! Keep up the great work!
Posted by: d.a.n at April 1, 2019 11:58 AM
Comment #440955
j2t2 wrote: So you guys went through this big to-do and yet not one fact has been disputed from the Commonwealth link.
Not true.
I provided many facts, and I agree that healthcare costs are currently too high (since 1985), and it is because of government meddling, and the solution is to reduce the government meddling, and set up some common-sense regulations.

The U.S. is too large and diverse for a government-run healthcare system, and the federal government does little (if anything) efficiently.

By the way, you did not answer my question.
The federal government hundreds of departments and agencies, and there are some things that the government must do.
However, can you name only 5 things that the federal government does efficiently?

Good luck!

Again, as always, thanks for being the gift that keeps on giving! Keep up the great work!

Posted by: d.a.n at April 1, 2019 12:07 PM
Comment #440956
Keeley wrote: Could Healthcare Kill Russia Probe Compulsive Disorder?
Yes, and it could also do great damage to the nation, that already has a $22 Trillion national debt, because the debt of all nations (much smaller nations too) that set up government-run healthcare, has increased significantly.

j2t2, Do you think “health care” is a “right”?

Posted by: d.a.n at April 1, 2019 12:11 PM
Comment #440959

“They just can’t stop themselves” award is up for grabs.

D. asks “Did your rant above make you feel better now!” Well D. nice diversion are you diverting attention from what was written because once again you can’t respond with anything resembling reasoning and intelligence?

D. tells me “Perhaps the source of the majority of your frustration is actually due to the weakness of your arguments?”
If my arguments are so weak D. why do you continuously avoid responding to them? Perhaps D. my frustration is due to your weak logic and continued repeating of myths. You guys have failed to counter anything from the Commonwealth link. You have put your failed ideology up as facts when it isn’t. It is your argument that is weak. Unless you consider attacking the messenger a strong argument.

And that is why healthcare costs have spiraled out of control (since 1985, as government meddled more and more in healthcare spending, and added prescription drugs to Medicare, ACA, etc.).

No it’s not D. While your ideology forces you into this narrow mindset it doesn’t make it right. The simply fact is the private sector was turned loose to profit from healthcare during the Nixon Administration and costs have escalated since. Between the lobbyist bribing government officials and the sharp increases in costs for meds and medical services in this country costs have soared.

By the way, you did not answer my question

That’s special D.. Instead of framing it like that I suggest we use a catchphrase. Lets say we Royal’ed it up.
This bit of irrelevant questioning doesn’t deserve an answer. Strawmen just don’t warrant a response. As I have previously stated your myths are simply that, your myths.


I don’t know where your getting the info but according to most American is number 1 one health care spending year after year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita

Posted by: j2t2 at April 1, 2019 12:59 PM
Comment #440960

j2t2, The charts you linked to show healthcare costs about the same as other nations, until after 1985. That’s when the federal government expanded Medicare, which also included pharmaceuticals, and again in 2008 when the federal government started the ACA.
Medicaid/CHIP enrollment in Medicaid expansion states has increased by 36% since 2013.

Almost HALF of every healthcare dollar is now spent by the federal government.

I never disagreed that healthcare is more expensive in the U.S.
However, it’s not only greed that drives up costs; it is also government bureaucracy of nightmare proportions too. By the way, the ACA was horrible, and caused costs to skyrocket, and the insurance companies loved it. The ACA was a failure, and the government-run VA reveals the problems and inefficiencies inherent in most (if not all) government-run programs.

At any rate, thanks again for being the gift that keeps on giving. Keep up the good work, and perhaps gives us some more of your Words of Wisdom.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 1, 2019 1:43 PM
Comment #440961

j2t2, Aside from believing healthcare is a “right”, do you also believe that private health insurance and health care should be banned (as Kamala Harris described)?

Posted by: d.a.n at April 1, 2019 2:02 PM
Comment #440962

“Really Royal now you demand a volume of facts! Yet you fail to give us any facts to back up your opinions!”

Really j2t2, get your head examined. You are the one who wrote you had a “volume of facts”; not me.

My facts came from “The Royal College of Emergency Medicine” as cited in my post. Perhaps our “gravedigging” Pal doesn’t even know what the NHS is, or what they do.

Please, please, don’t anyone tell j2t2 the answer, his head may burst.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 1, 2019 2:03 PM
Comment #440963

j2t2, IF it were not for government inefficiencies, healthcare in the U.S. would probably be less expensive than those 12 countries listed above, since half of almost all healthcare dollars are spent by the federal government.

So, I’ll assume you were unable to list at least 5 things that the federal government does efficiently.

I think j2t2 thinks he’s going to get free stuff, and that explains his ideaology.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 1, 2019 2:14 PM
Comment #440964

Ha ha! AOC accused Republicans of passing the 22nd amendment (limiting president to 2 terms) so that FDR could not be re-elected. What she didn’t know was that FDR died in 1945, the 22nd amendment did not pass both houses until 1947, and the amendment was not ratified until 1951.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 1, 2019 2:27 PM
Comment #440965

I think j2t2 thinks he’s going to get free stuff, and that explains his ideaology.
Posted by: d.a.n at April 1, 2019 2:14 PM

I agree d.a.n. He writes like a typical “free-loader”. What our “gravedigger” Pal fails to understand is important. “Free stuff” isn’t free. Even if j2t2 didn’t pay a dime of his own money for health care, his cost could be his life.

Really RF? How can you say that?

Simple, he may die from his health problem before he will be treated…FOR FREE.

“Dr Mark Porter, leader of the British Medical Association, said: “The NHS is being forced to choose between which patients to treat, with some facing delays in treatment and others being denied some treatments entirely.”

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/dec/08/nhs-rationing-denying-patients-care-cash-crisis-survery-doctors

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 1, 2019 2:45 PM
Comment #440970

“Between the lobbyist bribing government officials and the sharp increases in costs for meds and medical services in this country costs have soared.”

Brilliant deduction from our “gravedigger” j2t2. Sharp increases in cost makes costs soar. My God, who can debate this fellow? His crushing logic is phenomenal.

Beyond that Pal, I challenge you to prove that government is being bribed by lobbyists. Don’t slink away from this challenge j2t2 as you usually do. Man up and don’t be a “girly-boy”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 1, 2019 4:52 PM
Comment #440971

Ha ha! “free-loader”!
By the way, I do agree that healthcare is too expensive, and the quality (in some cases) may not be very good.

However, that is because we currently do not have a free-market healthcare system, and the ACA screwed everything up, premiums doubled or tripled, deductibles are so high, that the insurance is useless.

50% of all money spent on healthcare is spent by the government.
50% of our healthcare system is already government-run, because of welfare, Medicaid, and Medicare, and all of those have grown ever larger since 1980, and that is the same time that healthcare costs (per capita) started to rise in the U.S. above the costs in France, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Japan, Norway, Australia, United Kingdom, and many other nations (as shown here in the chart j2t2 linked to).

The bottom line is, IF you want something thoroughly FUBARed, then turn it into a government-run system, and it will soon be SNAFUed.
The ACA failed (not to mention the Healthcare.gov website roll-out) because (1) there was strong public opposition by those that knew they were going to be paying a LOT more, (2) insurance premiums skyrocketed because it raised minimum requirements, and a LOT of people now have to pay for health care for people that get their healthcare for free; (3) there were too many stupid laws that incentivized employers to lay off people, or not hire more people, or cut back their hours; (4) tens of million of people were STILL uninsured; (5) it increased the federal debt; (6) again, government-run equates to inefficiency-and-bureaucracy of nightmare proportions; (7) many states rejected the ACA and the constitutionality of forcing people to pay for health insurance; (8) at the time, the Democrats had 100% control of both houses and the executive branch, and there was no input from the Out-Party; and (9) Most Americans said they are paying more, but getting less;

Posted by: d.a.n at April 1, 2019 4:53 PM
Comment #440972

d.a.n., there is a common thread that runs through the logic used by Socialist everywhere.

Socialist would rather die waiting for health care that is rationed, than embrace good private insurance that is not available to every single person for free.

Capitalist living in our Democratic Republic cherish our freedom and liberty to achieve on our own, what Socialists believe can only be given to us by government.

If one person has better health care than another person, then the entire system must be suspect and discarded. Socialists can not tolerate personal achievement.

Reduced to its basic motivation; Socialism is merely envy satisfied by government intervention.

Capitalism and free enterprise encourages people to work and excel to live better.

Socialism is the great leveler seducing people to be satisfied with mediocrity achieved without merit.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 1, 2019 5:16 PM
Comment #440989
Royal Flush wrote: There is a common thread that runs through the logic used by Socialist everywhere.
Socialists would rather die waiting for health care that is rationed, than embrace good private insurance that is not available to every single person for free.
Capitalist living in our Democratic Republic cherish our freedom and liberty to achieve on our own, what Socialists believe can only be given to us by government.
If one person has better health care than another person, then the entire system must be suspect and discarded. Socialists can not tolerate personal achievement.
Reduced to its basic motivation; Socialism is merely envy satisfied by government intervention.
Capitalism and free enterprise [with some common-sense regulation] encourages people to work and excel to live better.
Socialism is the great leveler seducing people to be satisfied with mediocrity achieved without merit.
Exacatly! Well said.
I refer to those extremists as cheaters, and the cheaters try to disguise their envy and jealousy as demands for equality. The truth is, they think they are going to get something for free, because they think someone else will have to pay for it. The could care less that numerous examples exist to show that governments are terrible at administering most (if not all) things, and are inherently fraught with massive waste, fraud, corruption, and incompetence.

Healthcare costs did not start to spiral out of control (compared to consumer-price-index) until government started meddling in healthcare (i.e. expansion of welfare, Medicaid, and Medicare, adding pharmaceuticals to Medicare, ACA, etc.) since 1980. Or since 1960, based on this MAY-2017 article by the Mises Institute, which explains how government-run healthcare made healthcare so expensive.

The waste, fraud, corruption, and incompetence is staggering. Medicare fraud is about $70 Billion per year, and other federal government waste and fraud costs hundreds of billions (possibly over $1 trillion) per year.
CAGW.org has mile-long lists of waste and fraud. It’s out-of-control, and some people now want to give government control over the healthcare system too!?!

Why do some people believe that healthcare is not affordable unless the government administers it, but they believe that healthcare will become affordable when a government-run bureaucracy is included to administer it?
It makes no sense.

And there are ample examples of how socialism has failed:

  • Venezuela (today),
  • East Germany (ended 1990),
  • Ethiopia (ended 1991),
  • Poland (ended 1989),
  • Romania (ended 1990),
  • USSR (ended 1991), and some other nations that are struggling with problems inherent to socialism;
  • The U.S.A. and the failed Affordable Healthcare Act;
  • And the U.S.A. today, and healthcare costs have spiraled out of control since 1980, and 50% of all healthcare spending is now by the government, and some people believe the solution is more government control !?!

There are also nefarious forces at work too, by people (master cheaters/master parasites) who want control of not only healthcare, but everything!
They want to be in control of everything, but be responsible for nothing.
The “New Green Deal” is a good example.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 2, 2019 8:09 AM
Comment #441009

CORRECTION for CAGW.org link: https://www.cagw.org/porker-of-the-month/cagw-names-rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-march-2019-porker-month

Posted by: d.a.n at April 2, 2019 11:24 AM
Comment #441019

d.a.n., my best friend came to the United States legally from Poland when it was being controlled by the Soviet Socialist Republic. He would regale me with stories of how pathetic Socialism was in his country of origin back then.

He was fond of reminiscing about work under socialism. “We would pretend to work, and they would pretend to pay us.”

He lived in a small rural farm community. He said every house was painted blue. It was the only color of paint available. The government even decided what color paint to produce.

He said food was always rationed. People would stand in long lines at the meat shop and bakery. The shelves were emptied quickly and many in line would go home empty handed.

After the fall of the USSR, he visited Poland twice to visit relatives. He couldn’t believe the transformation from Socialism to Capitalism. The shelves were full of food and all manner of products. The people were prospering and happy.

My friend left Poland with fifteen American dollars in his pocket and lived with a brother in Chicago. Today, he is the owner of a large rental housing complex and quite wealthy. No one gave him anything. But, he had desire, brains, and a willingness to work. And, the United States gave him the opportunity to succeed.

Socialism kills incentive. Socialism kills freedom. And sometimes, Socialism kills its own citizens.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 2, 2019 4:09 PM
Comment #441026

Yes, I know a Russian guy who came to the U.S. (broke) as a teenager. He became a billionaire, and one of the largest real estate owners in Nevada. I developed some sensor systems, ethernet communications, and software for his 162 foot long yacht.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 2, 2019 5:23 PM
Comment #441027

Boy the fear is palpable with the a**hats today. All the way to Soviet Russia with the whole socialism bit! Are you guys stupid or do you really believe socialism as practiced in some Western European countries is the same thing as the Soviet Union type government? Bringing out the friends who escaped from communism to tell us about democratic socialism! How embarrassing for you guys. If you are truly that lost perhaps instead of spouting myths, misinformation, half truths and outright lies you just keep your stupidity to your selves? I mean my God talk about a weak argument, have you no decency?

I searched and searched for an intelligent comment from either Royal or D. and here is the best I could find.
D. tells us “2t2, The charts you linked to show healthcare costs about the same as other nations, until after 1985. That’s when the federal government expanded Medicare, which also included pharmaceuticals, and again in 2008 when the federal government started the ACA.”

In fact D. “The Medicare Prescription Drug Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003 (MMA) made the biggest changes to the Medicare in the program in 38 years.” which was 1965 not 1985.

There were some minor changes in the 80’s to Medicare but lets face it despite your need to blame the government the reason has nothing to do with federal bureaucracies, which for medicare is 3% which is less than private insurance companies. The real reason is for profit health care systems can charge what they want and do charge excessively. Hedge Funds buy pharma’s and quadruple the price of medicine.

I never disagreed that healthcare is more expensive in the U.S.

No but Royal did.

However, it’s not only greed that drives up costs; it is also government bureaucracy of nightmare proportions too.

If only the bureaucracy was that big for medicare. In fact CMS employees 4100 people which hardly qualifies as “nightmare proportions.” I would suggest the insurance companies are bloated much worse than medicare.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 2, 2019 7:21 PM
Comment #441034

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Posted by: JOHN SMITH at April 3, 2019 2:27 AM
Comment #441078
j2t2 wrote: Boy the fear is palpable with the a**hats today. … If only the bureaucracy was that big for medicare. In fact CMS employees 4100 people which hardly qualifies as “nightmare proportions.” I would suggest the insurance companies are bloated much worse than medicare.
Ha ha !
Nevermind about $70 Billion per year in Medicare fraud !
Nevermind hundreds of billions in waste & fraud annually by the federal government !

But thanks for trying, and being the gift that keeps on giving. Please keep it up.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 3, 2019 10:48 AM
Comment #441081

So D. by diverting did you agree your “government bureaucracy of nightmare proportions” accusations against medicare is wrong?

Posted by: j2t2 at April 3, 2019 10:52 AM
Comment #441085
j2t2 stupidly wrote: So D. by diverting did you agree your “government bureaucracy of nightmare proportions” accusations against medicare is wrong?
Ha ha!
You’re kdding, right?
That’s really funny, since there is up to $70 Billion per year in Medicare waste and fraud.
4,100 CMS employees is about 4,100 too many, since they are wasting up to $70 Billion per year.
Right, we really need more of that, eh ?
And you think we need to expand Medicare for all, which should push waste and fraud into the Trillion$ per year.

Waste and fraud (many hundreds of billion$ per year) by the federal governement would fill volumes.

But thanks again for trying, and being the gift that keeps on giving. Please keep it up!

Posted by: d.a.n at April 3, 2019 11:07 AM
Comment #441087

You’re right. Government started around 1960 (earlier than 1985), and that is when and why healthcare costs started spiraling out of control.

Healthcare costs did not start to spiral out of control (compared to consumer-price-index) until government started meddling in healthcare (i.e. expansion of welfare, Medicaid, and Medicare, adding pharmaceuticals to Medicare, ACA, etc.) since 1980. Or since 1960, based on this MAY-2017 article by the Mises Institute, which explains how government-run healthcare made healthcare so expensive.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 3, 2019 11:31 AM
Comment #441088

D., such a fine example of cognitive dissonance. I would suggest at the least you have the decency to admit your “government bureaucracy of nightmare proportions” is a myth not a fact, is that too much for you as well?

As far as fraud, yes $70 bil sounds like a lot. But how much fraud is there in the private sector insurance companies who do in fact have a “bureaucracy of nightmare proportions”. Lets include the worst kind of fraud, the insurance companies not paying for claims. While we are at it lets include the compensation packages for the CEO’s and such.

And lets not forget who is responsible for the 70Bil fraud.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 3, 2019 11:49 AM
Comment #441090

There’s nothing to admit.

The government bureaucracy IS pathetic, and it is beyond nightmare proportions.

So those 4,100 people employed by the CMS are allowing $70 Billion (or more) per year in waste and fraud. That’s $1.4 Billion per state per year!

It’s the job of government to try to prevent waste and fraud, and the federal government IS pathetic at it, as it is with most (if not all) things, and that is why healthcare costs have spiraled out of control since 1980, as indicated by the chart you linked to .

So, why can’t you list only 5 things that the federal government does well?
Why do you think the solution to every problem is more government and bureaucracy?
Is it because you think you are going to get some free stuff that someone else will have to pay for?

Again, thanks for being the gift that keeps on giving. Keep up the good work, and perhaps, give us some more of your “Words of Wisdom”.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 3, 2019 12:29 PM
Comment #441091
j2t2 wrote: I would suggest at the least you have the decency to …
Oh … like your “Words of Wisdom” like these:
  • [49] j2t2 wrote: And you guys on the right support using babies for your own se*xual gratification, Weary.
  • [50] j2t2 wrote: Wow D. Since when do you require proof! You certainly don’t when you accuse the Obama administration or the Clintons of everything under the sun, what a f * * king hypocrite. Have you no decency?
  • [51] j2t2 wrote: Really D.[d.a.n] have you no decency?
  • [52] j2t2 wrote: So yeah once again it is BS and you [d.a.n] have no decency.
  • [53] j2t2 wrote: FFS guys, have you no decency?
  • [54] j2t2 wrote: Both you clowns make these claims but cannot back them up. You divert and deflect. Have you no decency?
  • [55] j2t2 wrote: Have you no decency?
  • [56] j2t2 wrote: That is hypocrisy at the highest level.
  • [57] j2t2 wrote: In fact right now I’m rather proud that you have spent the time going through the archives hunting for my words of wisdom.
  • [58] j2t2 wrote: Because…wait for it…..wait for it…….. I am proud of those comments.
Thanks again for trying, and being the gift that keeps on giving. Please keep it up! That nasty, vulgar, hate speech is bound to make your circular non-sense more credible, eh?
Perhaps you should look in the mirror when you ask that question?
Posted by: d.a.n at April 3, 2019 12:45 PM
Comment #441100

“Are you guys stupid or do you really believe socialism as practiced in some Western European countries is the same thing as the Soviet Union type government?”

What a joy to joust with our “grave digging” Pal j2t2. By his own hand he has revealed how ridiculous it is to compare Conservatives in the United States with Nazi’s or Fascists.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 3, 2019 1:50 PM
Comment #441102

j2t2 claims that he doesn’t resort to name-calling, or making racist statements, etc.
For example

  • [01] j2t2 wrote: I am proud of each and every one of my comments you have listed here. In fact I am especially proud of the donkey show comment [see #11 below].
  • [02] j2t2 wrote: Weary, I haven’t said you [Weary Willie] are a Nazi.
  • [03] j2t2 wrote: I am not calling anyone a Nazi.
  • [04] j2t2 wrote: So first of all, thanks for giving the conservative/neo-Nazi/ authoritarian/Fascist/ Nationalist populist friends here on WB the misinformation.
  • [05] j2t2 wrote: Hiding behind populism just like good ol’ Adolph [Hitler], the lot of you.
  • [06] j2t2 wrote: you complain about the fascist tag you guys on the right have earned.
  • [07] j2t2 wrote: In fact I have said many times here on WB [that] you conservatives here on WB [WatchBlog] remind me of the people of Germany [i.e. Nazis] in the late 20’s and early 30’s.
  • [08] j2t2 wrote: Welcome to Trumps America, Zeig Heil !
  • [09] j2t2 wrote: The people of Germany, a lot of good people fell for this type of blaming those different from us and look where it lead, they were Zeig Heiling to a dictator a few years later.
  • [10] j2t2 wrote: I don’t recall using the term racist or bigot or calling anyone a racist or bigot.
and then j2t2 asks others whether they have any decency ?
Nevertheless, j2t2 repeatedly tries to persuade others of the credibility of his comments ?

Posted by: d.a.n at April 3, 2019 2:10 PM
Comment #441103

So….resorting to “the gift”, the surest sign of a weak argument D..

You’re right. Government started around 1960 (earlier than 1985), and that is when and why healthcare costs started spiraling out of control.

Oh so it isn’t like the charts say? It’s earlier! LOL!! Face up to facts D. Maybe the problem is the market not the government. Maybe the reason most other industrialized countries went to a socialized health care system is due to higher costs of the marker driven system.

The MIses Institute, where very problem is due to the government! This argument is wrong headed IMHO D.. This is their reasoning…
The government started medicare, which in turn allowed more people to receive health care.So health care providers saw the rise in demand and therefor raised prices on health care. The government is at fault for starting an insurance plan that allowed more people to be covered by insurance! That is the argument ins’t it?

This is a damaging argument for free market healthcare and insurance IMHO.


Posted by: j2t2 at April 3, 2019 2:32 PM
Comment #441109
j2t2 stupidly wrote: Maybe the reason most other industrialized countries went to a socialized health care system is due to higher costs of the marker driven system.
No, it’s because those countries were already socialist countries.
You are also ignoring (1) the rising healthcare costs in those other countries; (2) With open-borders and defective asylum and detention laws, the system will be over-run by illegal immigrants; already, 84 hospitals have closed in the U.S. near the U.S./Mexico border (source: www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf ; www.veoh.com/videos/e143139mKtgs87s?searchId=7568362616461630851&rank=7); (3) ACA failed, and there is about $70 Billion per year in Medicare fraud, so why should anyone believe Medicare for all succeed? (4) Long wait times; (5) leads to a socialist state, and is the first step towards the government controlling other aspects of the economy; (6) rationing; it may limit services; (7) higher taxes; (8) no competition / no inovation; quality of care will most likely decrease; it can limit new technologies; (9) it takes a long time; remember the incompetence of the roll-out of the Obamacare website? (10) DEBT: government debt increased significantly in all countries that adopted universal healthcare; the U.S. already has a $22 Trillion national debt. (11) welfare: we already have welfare; Medicaid already exists for people that cannot afford to pay; (12) people over 65 already have single-payer healthcare (Medicare); how will it be impacted? (13) Medicare already has about $70 Billion per year in Medicare fraud; what will it be for universal heatlhcare? (14) it requires people to pay for things they never use; (15) long wait times and bureaucracy may lead people to be less careful about their health; (16) it may limit the accuracy of patient care; governments are not very good at innovation and keeping records; (17) it requires significant budgeting skills (which governments are not very good at); (18) the federal government is horrible at administering most (if not all) things; simply consider $70 Billion per year in Medicare fraud; billions in Social Security fraud annually; many hundreds of billions wasted annually by the federal government; $0.73 Billion per day in losses due to illegal immigration (source: KlowdTV.com); (19) how will it affect charity hospitals like Saint Jude’s, Childrens’ Hospital, etc.? (20) it will fail for the same reason the ACA has failed; the federal government is not competent enough to administer any single-payer system, and the larger it is, the worse it will be; (21) The U.S. has 328 Million people, and the following 12 countries (which j2t2 linked to) have 455 Million people: France, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Japan, Norway, Australia, United Kingdom; etc.;

So, name one thing the government can do more efficiently than a market-driven system (with common-sense regulations)?
Good Luck!

The chart shows a rise above the other countries at year 1980. Whatever year you want to use, the rising healthcare costs is because of government meddling, and the inherent waste and fraud in anything the federal government tries to administer.

Again, thanks for being the gift that keeps on giving. Keep up the good work, and perhaps, give us some more of your Words of Wisdom, which are doing wonders for your credibility!

Posted by: d.a.n at April 3, 2019 4:30 PM
Comment #441144

D., Once again the surest sign of a weak argument is the repetitious braying of myths.
Myth 2-Do you realize Germany does just this and sgtill the costs is lower!
Myth5- do you have any proof to back this statement up? We don’t have free market fire departments any more because they failed decades ago. Nor do we have a socialist state because we have a socialist system for the fire department.
Myth6- rationing! Like we don’t do it already with the market based system.
Myth8- Yet all these other countries can and do have innovation and some if not all have a better quality of care than we do, with a socialist system!
Myth10- Debt! Have you no decency D.. Anyone who applauded Trumps latest round of tax cuts has zero grounds to even mention the word debt.
Myths 11 and 12- Yet we have innovation, yet we have quality of care as good or better than marker driven insurance companies.
Myth 15- WTF? Did you bury that myth so far in you thought no one would read it? People have wait times now we aren’t any better with our market based health care now. But your long wait times equals people not taking care of themselves is just illogical reasoning.
Myth 16- Yet Medicare and medicaid seems to be able to function just fine.
Myth 17- with a conservative led legislature you may have something, only it is sabotage not poor record keeping.
Myth18- Yet not to long ago they put people on the moon and into space.
Myth 19- is grasping at straws isn’t it?
Myth 20- is interesting. It will fail because conservatives will sabotage it just as they have done the ACA is much more factual than your version.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 4, 2019 8:41 AM
Comment #441145
j2t2 wrote: Yet Medicare and medicaid seems to be able to function just fine.
Ha ha! Right, with $70 Billion per year in waste and fraud in Medicare alone?

Decency? HHMMmmm … do you mean like your style of decency as shown here ?

Are you sure you aren’t actually a right-wing shill, because you make it so easy with such lame and pathetic arguments [not to mention the nasty, vulgar name calling, and calling everyone (that disagree with you): Racists ! , Fascists ! , Nazis ! , Brown Shirts ! , Beastialists ! , White Nationalists ! , Sexists ! , Misogynists ! , Xenophobes ! , Anti-Semites !, Authoritarians !, Right-Wing Conservatives ! , Bigots !, Repub F**ktards, F**king Fascists, as*hats, ignorant F**ks, or telling them F**k you, or Go F**k yourselves, “And you guys on the right support using babies for your own s*xual gratification…”, etc., etc., etc.!] ?

Only an moron (or someone who thinks they are going to get some free stuff) thinks government-run systems are not wasteful and inefficient (i.e. almost half a trillion wasted by the federal government annually, due to waste, fraud, corruption, and incompetence).
But thanks for being the gift that keeps on giving. How about some more of your Words of Wisdom that keeps on giving. Keep up the good work, because the Democrat party is probably very grateful.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 4, 2019 10:21 AM
Comment #441154

d.a.n., I am certain that our “gravedigging” pal j2t2 does not know why the cost of higher education is so high either. It has the same root cause as high cost health care.

I provided proof positive from the director of NHS that their Socialist health care system was failing. j2t2 ignored facts as usual.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 4, 2019 2:17 PM
Comment #441156
I provided proof positive from the director of NHS that their Socialist health care system was failing. j2t2 ignored facts as usual.

Royal, you provided a newspaper article saying the system has been underfunded by politicians and therefore hasn’t kept up with the population. Of course, just like conservatives sabotaged the ACA, any system can be sabotaged and then declared to be “failing” by those that want it to fail. The sad thing is our system is also failing.

“With the exception of Canada and Sweden, patients in the United States have a harder time making a same-day appointment when in need of care. In 2016, 51% of patients in the United States were able to make a same-day appointment with a provider, compared to 57% of patients in similar countries.”

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-of-adults-who-made-a-same-day-or-next-day-appointment-when-needed-care-2016_updated


Posted by: j2t2 at April 4, 2019 2:30 PM
Comment #441162
j2t2 stupidly wrote: Royal, you provided a newspaper article saying the system has been underfunded by politicians and therefore hasn’t kept up with the population.
It may have been underfunded, since it would take many times more money to run anything whenever the government runs it, due to massive waste, fraud, and corruption.
The problem is that government meddling drives up all costs due to waste, fraud, corruption, and bureaucracy of nightmare proportions.

j2t2 simply wants free stuff.

I had not thought about that much, but come to think of it, education in the U.S. used to be #1, but today, after decades of more and more federal and state government meddling, the U.S. has fallen to 17th.

j2t2 wrote: Years of Conservative attacks on the school systems have led us down a dark road. It will be generations before we come out of the tail spin caused by conservatism in this country. We need to look to other nations and their systems IMHO ours is “failing most kids”.

j2t2 thinks conservatives are to blame for everything, but conservatives are asking for anyone to take care of them from cradle-to-grave. It is socialist extremists (and similar cheaters and parasites) like j2t2 that want something from someone. They believe the myth that we can all somehow live at the expense of everyone else (via legal plunder of others property).

But many thanks to j252 again for being the gift that keeps on giving. How about some more of your Words of Wisdom that keeps on giving. Keep up the good work, because the Democrat party is probably very grateful.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 4, 2019 3:34 PM
Comment #441163

Ha ha! j2t2’s chart shows 9 countries in a chart, and the U.S. is 7th (for speed of access).

Wow, there are 192 nations in the world, so the U.S. is in the top 7 of all nations in the world.

But many thanks to j252 again for being the gift that keeps on giving. How about some more of your Words of Wisdom that keeps on giving. Keep up the good work, because the Democrat party is probably very grateful.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 4, 2019 3:38 PM
Comment #441164

CORRECTION in #441162:
j2t2 thinks conservatives are to blame for everything, but conservatives are [NOT] asking for anyone to take care of them from cradle-to-grave.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 4, 2019 3:42 PM
Comment #441166
j2t2 wrote: I provided proof positive from the director of NHS that their Socialist health care system was failing. j2t2 ignored facts as usual.
j2t2 would probably say the same thing about us.
The only difference is, he’s wrong, and we’re right.
: ) Posted by: d.a.n at April 4, 2019 4:13 PM
Comment #441167

“Royal, you provided a newspaper article saying the system has been underfunded by politicians and therefore hasn’t kept up with the population.”

There it is folks, right from the “gravediggers” fingertips. The director of NHS, the long standing British system of socialized medicine, declares it is underfunded and j2t2 wants that system here in the US.

Here we have a health care system that began in July 1948, and it is still struggling with cost and patient care. Surely, after seventy years, one would think they would have it working well if the underlying principal was sound.

Many British citizens die waiting for medical procedures. j2t2 claims it is free, so one should assume dying prematurely is not a cost.

Here is a recent headline “The Telegraph New”.

Historic tax rises on middle class families needed to save the NHS (j2t2 would translate that as “free”)

A joint report by the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) and the Health Foundation found there was “no more room” to increase health spending by taking from other Government budgets and concludes that “taxes will have to rise”.

Funding these projected increases in health spending through the tax system would require taxes to rise by between 1.6 and 2.6 per cent of GDP - the equivalent of between £1,200 and £2,000 per household per year within 15 years.

“If we are to have a health and social care system which meets our needs and aspirations, we will have to pay a lot more for it over the next 15 years. This time we won’t be able to rely on cutting spending elsewhere.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/23/2000-per-household-needed-save-nhs-report-warns/

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 4, 2019 4:58 PM
Comment #441178


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Posted by: Find Right Career Path By Astrology at April 5, 2019 12:29 AM
Comment #441223
There it is folks, right from the “gravediggers” fingertips. The director of NHS, the long standing British system of socialized medicine, declares it is underfunded and j2t2 wants that system here in the US.

Oh please Royal not another strawman! First where did I say I want a system like the British? Their system is but one example of many that saves other first world countries money. That happened to be one you found that is having problems currently. Second underfund any healthcare system and you will have shortages.

Here we have a health care system that began in July 1948, and it is still struggling with cost and patient care. Surely, after seventy years, one would think they would have it working well if the underlying principal was sound.

You know you could say the same exact thing about our healthcare system Royal. Yet we spend more than the British and don’t get the results they do.

Many British citizens die waiting for medical procedures.

So do many Americans to poor to go to a Doctor or hospital until to late. In addition we also have our citizens going bankrupt as a result of a illness or injury.

j2t2 claims it is free, so one should assume dying prematurely is not a cost.

Wow putting words into my mouth again Royal. Creating red herrings then arguing with yourself! As you know I didn’t say that. We all know any healthcare system costs money. This myth you repeat about free is just a lie that you and D. keep repeating becuase you cannot deal with the cognitive dissonance. Assume what you will but please try to do better when responding to something I write.

A joint report by the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) and the Health Foundation found there was “no more room” to increase health spending by taking from other Government budgets and concludes that “taxes will have to rise”.

Just like private sector insurance premiums rise every year. Yet that doesn’t seem to be a problem for you. I would also suggest the British are going through the same hurdle we are at this point. The aging population, Baby Boomers swelling the rolls of Medicare.

Ha ha! j2t2’s chart shows 9 countries in a chart, and the U.S. is 7th (for speed of access).

At least you admit our system isn’t number one D.. And it seems you now realize that our market based system is worse than most of the universal health care systems when it comes to speed of access.

Wow, there are 192 nations in the world, so the U.S. is in the top 7 of all nations in the world.

Wow D. using the third world and developing countries to brag about our system! Since you want to compare lets use the WHO rankings of 2000 to compare our system and that of Cuba. We rank #1 in dollars spent, Cuba ranks 118th. In overall quality of the system we rank 37th, Cuba 39th.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 5, 2019 12:19 PM
Comment #441224
It may have been underfunded, since it would take many times more money to run anything whenever the government runs it, due to massive waste, fraud, and corruption.

Yet they spend roughly half of what we do per capita on healthcare and cover all their people! What a pathetic situation D. you have nothing but stupid myths to defend the real parasites you seek to protect.

The problem is that government meddling drives up all costs due to waste, fraud, corruption, and bureaucracy of nightmare proportions.

Just not in these other countries D.? Why can they do it but we can’t? Conservative ideology is why. The true cheaters are those that use these types of strawmen to convince others they are right.

The real problem is you having to defend your conservative ideology and you are grasping at straws to do so. The truth is our health insurance companies, hospitals and pharma’s are raking in massive profits by corrupting our elected officials who then sabotage our system.

In fact these private sector insurance companies have fleeced taxpayers out of $70billion” as providers of Medicare advantage plans. These are the true parasites and you defend them because your ideology demands it. Wise up.

j2t2 simply wants free stuff.

Lying is a sure sign of a weak argument D.. This weak red herring argument fails D. It really isn’t about anyone wanting a free anything D.. Are you really that stupid you have to resort to this type of deception to respond?

j2t2 wrote: Years of Conservative attacks on the school systems have led us down a dark road. It will be generations before we come out of the tail spin caused by conservatism in this country. We need to look to other nations and their systems IMHO ours is “failing most kids”.

Yes I did D. and you have proved me right in this thread many times. Just look at the number of conservative myths. red herrings, strawmen, myths and outright lies you have spewed on this thread alone. The problem is some people believe you.

j2t2 thinks conservatives are to blame for everything, but conservatives are asking for anyone to take care of them from cradle-to-grave.

Not everything, you exaggerate once again, but the conservative ideology has blighted the country for years. This cute myth you spout is a sure sign of a weak argument D.. Yet you keep doing it. If you think conservatives voters aren’t involved in the social safety net of this country you are either lying or stupidly misinformed.

It is socialist extremists (and similar cheaters and parasites) like j2t2 that want something from someone. They believe the myth that we can all somehow live at the expense of everyone else (via legal plunder of others property).

The only myth I see is your lies D.. Advocating for universal health care has broadened to socialist extremist according to the far right extremist D.! One would think, listening to D. spew his hate and fear, only a few conservatives would pay for the entire countries medical bills! Of course that isn’t the case at all as everyone eligible for medicare has been paying into the system for years. But this bit of conservative ideology spouted by D. is why I hold conservative ideology responsible for the damage done to our country since the days of Reagan.

A very weak argument isn’t it D. when you have to resort to such lies to defend our corrupt private sector health related companies?

Posted by: j2t2 at April 5, 2019 1:57 PM
Comment #441227

j2t2 asks: “Why can they do it but we can’t?”

Well d.a.n., we have come full circle with our “grave digging” Pal j2t2. He began by insisting that national health care was a huge success everywhere it has been instituted. I proved him wrong with the British National Health Service which is the longest standing (70 years) socialized health care system in the world. The NHS is floundering and will require huge increases in taxes to pay for health care.

Our slippery Pal changes subjects when he is cornered. That’s OK, we nailed his hide to the wall this time. Now, he merely claims that we are spending too much money on health care.

I agree with that. And, I know why; even though these dummies don’t.

We will no longer accept, from our Liberal “grave digging” pals, the usual bull-crap about socialized health care works well and saves money.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 5, 2019 3:48 PM
Comment #441231

All the countries j2 listed are about, population wise, like one of our states. J2 doesn’t understand that there are 50 states with 50 different requirements concerning health. To coordinate all 50 states into a single payer system would be an expensive nightmare. Romney did it when he was a Gov.,but that was for one state and had problems, the problems with implementation of 50 states would be Obama care on steroids.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 5, 2019 4:21 PM
Comment #441233
Well d.a.n., we have come full circle with our “grave digging” Pal j2t2. He began by insisting that national health care was a huge success everywhere it has been instituted.

Royal, you are consistent at the least. To bad it’ consistently wrong. That is not what I said, but you know that. In fact what I began with was “Why D.? The ACA health insurance was market driven. The for profit health care system is market driven. Yet double digit increases year after year was the norm. Even now with Trumps attacks on the ACA the cost are going up with fear being used as the reasoning. We are the only market driven system in the first world countries and we also pay the highest rates for everything and don’t get the results other countries do. We are practically developing nation status when it comes to healthcare.”.

I proved him wrong with the British National Health Service which is the longest standing (70 years) socialized health care system in the world. The NHS is floundering and will require huge increases in taxes to pay for health care.

No you didn’t prove what I didn’t say wrong Royal. And while we are at it England’s isn’t the oldest “socialist”system, Germany is.

All systems have problems and they have theirs but it’s not floundering unless you think our system has failed completely as they out perform us on many things for less money. Yes they have lagged behind on capital improvements and yes costs go up, ours does in the double digits most years. We pay higher premiums each year. Whats the difference if they will have to pay higher taxes or we will have to pay higher premiums.

So before you throw yourself a victory party get real you haven’t proved anything but you don’t know what you are talking about.

Our slippery Pal changes subjects when he is cornered. That’s OK, we nailed his hide to the wall this time. Now, he merely claims that we are spending too much money on health care.

Well at least you are a true conservative Royal, not bound by truth or integrity. You can say anything and then believe it whilst your friends are lying for you. In fact what I said in my first comment was we were paying more and getting less with our market based system. My god red herrings and strawmen one after another Royal. Yet no hide on the wall as you falsely claim.

We will no longer accept, from our Liberal “grave digging” pals, the usual bull-crap about socialized health care works well and saves money.

What an a**hat Royal. All these facts provided to you and you lie like this! Not to mention you never accepted anything about socialized healthcare to begin with. Your ideology doesn’t allow it. Unfortunately for you the facts don’t go your way despite this pitiful attempt to claim you have done something other than make a fool of yourself.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 5, 2019 5:37 PM
Comment #441236

Sorry j2t2, you’re not plowing any new ground, just turning over old dirt.

The NHS is in financial trouble for many of the same reasons we don’t have a true capitalist centered health care system in the US.

The politicians in both countries are attempting to appease political groups rather than doing what is best for everyone.

We have virtually destroyed higher education with prohibitive costs the same way we have destroyed reasonable cost private health care.

The solutions to lowering education and health care costs are not complicated. Yet, there is no political will to do so. The same is true with our broken immigration system.

We will continue to suffer from political malfeasance for many more years. When voters finally realize they are being taken for suckers; things will change.

The “grave-diggers” will certainly not agree with me. They are too invested in “feel-good” politics that produce nothing of real or lasting value.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 5, 2019 6:28 PM
Comment #441260
Sorry j2t2, you’re not plowing any new ground, just turning over old dirt.

I would think myth busting would be more apt a description of what I have been doing Royal.

So lets keep it up.
You tell us “The NHS is in financial trouble for many of the same reasons we don’t have a true capitalist centered health care system in the US” as if it isn’t capitalist raking in the big bucks by the billions from healthcare and health insurance sectors of the economy. The fact is we did have a capitalist system prior to the ACA and the ACA is still a capitalist system. Now you may not like the way capitalism has evolved since the Reagan revolution but hey it was what conservatives asked for.

We have virtually destroyed higher education with prohibitive costs the same way we have destroyed reasonable cost private health care.

Again a free market system run into the ground by the free market. I know it would be nice to blame the government for the problem but they have cut back on grants years ago and have stood by while the banksters have gouged those that borrowed to fund their tuition.

The solutions to lowering education and health care costs are not complicated. Yet, there is no political will to do so.

I’ll bite Royal, what’s the answer?

We will continue to suffer from political malfeasance for many more years. When voters finally realize they are being taken for suckers; things will change.


I imagine it will be like it was in the early 1930’s Royal. The repubs will run the ship aground and then several decades of Progressive government will correct the corruption and right the ship.

The “grave-diggers” will certainly not agree with me. They are too invested in “feel-good” politics that produce nothing of real or lasting value.


Spoken like a true conservative Royal. I’m sure as this statement really doesn’t say much the a**hats will agree with you.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 6, 2019 4:31 PM
Comment #442464

j2t2 thinks he’s going to get some free stuff, and he thinks healthcare is a human right.

The difference between constitutional rights, and healthcare is that:

  • (1) constitutional rights are things you are allowed to do, provided they do not violate others’ rights;
  • (2) healthcare is something that someone else has to pay for, and for many people, someone else would have to pay for others’ healthcare;
For these people that think healthcare is a right, who would they demand their healthcare from IF there are insufficient funds, doctors, and hospitals to provide them the healthcare they demand as a right?Promising healthcare for all is yet another indication of how low Democrats will sink to get more votes, and power.
IF the Democrats get their way, it won’t last long before it fails miserably. Already, Social Security and Medicare are in trouble, and the national debt is now far beyond nightmare proportions (i.e. $22 Trillion).

At any rate, many thanks (again) to j2t2 for being the gift that keeps on giving.

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