Cohen Kim & Trump - History is Not a Split Screen

The split screen on Wednesday reflected a bad day for President Trump. That’s the narrative we’ve been hearing since this Wednesday when two things happened:

• Michael Cohen testified that Trump had indeed signed several checks to cover his payments to Stormy Daniels and that he had been involved in the supposed negotiations over a possible Trump Tower development in Moscow well into 2016, as well as saying that Candidate Trump never expected to win and that his campaign was all about marketing his brand with the world’s greatest infomercial. And a few other nasty things.

Almost all of them already publicly aired at some previous point. But having Cohen under the bright lights of a live Congressional hearing, attempting to paint the Trump Org as some sort of shadowy criminal enterprise of which he shamefully was part, had many in the opposition and across media salivating lasciviously.

• Trump at what seems to have been the behest of his advisors, especially John Bolton, cut short the Hanoi meetings with Kim, saying North Korea had not offered sufficient progress on denuclearization in return for the complete elimination of sanctions they had been demanding.

What to think then?

What the hearing was about was to try and drum up support among moderate Democrats and independents for impeachment proceedings. Russia collusion is almost certainly a dud. Hillary's possible collusion (along with her husband) with Russia is scornfully dismissed, so all that's left is to try and build up an assault on Trump's character, dramatically dragging any and all of his past across the political stage in order to show voters that the emoluments clause or the 25th amendment or any old high crime and misdemeanor is somehow justified.

And if the electorate realizes that the economy is really quite darn good (growth just under 3% and unemployment around 4%) and that impeachment is not a favorite of theirs broadly speaking, then they'll at least have subjected the Trump administration to a series of annoying and hopefully debilitating set of inquiries bringing in almost anyone associated with the president over the past decade or so.

It remains to be seen if their constant need to leave aside the business of government in order to continue their obsessive persecution of Trump will rebound against them. Hence Chairman Cumming's theatrical rage when the GOP members suggested the first Congressional hearing of the new Congress was to interview someone convicted of lying to Congress. No, it wasn't the first hearing, but it was the hearing of this still-young year for any and all Democrats and Never-Trump'ers.

As for the Hanoi Summit shut-down, it was not the end of negotiations. It was the end of one round among many rounds of talks. And talks will proceed. President Trump signaled that over and over again going into the summit. In fact, if you think about it, talks with the DPRK have been going on (and off) for decades, arguably since at least the mid-90's. And if you consider the negotiating or threatening in response to events like the 1968 USS Pueblo's crew's kidnapping and the axe murders in the DMZ in 1976, then for at least 50 years is more like it.

The truth about North Korea is that it's not about Trump or any other individual president. It's about finally resolving the last major Cold War conflict. A conflict which is being kept alive because of a communist state - China - that views the Korean peninsula as its personal sphere of influence and a weakened Russia that cannot abandon the Pavlovian reflex of its long-time ambitions for the Northern Pacific. It is precisely because of China and to a lesser extent Russia that a Stalinist autocracy still exists on the threshold of the 3rd decade of the 21st century. This is a problem that will not be easily solved, and it may be done by Trump's administration, but the much more likely outcome is that a few steps forward will be undone by an unpredictable act of aggression or the uncovering of some blatant violation on the part of the DPRK.

The real achievement will be if the steps backwards do not return us to a few years ago with a crazed regime actively testing nuclear weapons and ICBM's. And even that is a challenge given the nature of the North Korean regime.

So yes, the media can delight in the Hanoi Summit Shut-down but this story has a long way to go. And as for the other side of the split-screen, Democrats are the majority which means they have to govern and not just investigate for partisan reasons and it would help if they could curtail their more radical members. November 2020 is still over a year away, so this story also has a little ways to go, maybe even to the third week of January 2025.

Posted by Keeley at March 1, 2019 1:55 PM
Comments
Comment #439037

Thanks Keeley, I enjoyed reading your assessment. Frankly, I don’t expect North Korea to denuclearize during President Trump’s first term.

The sanctions against NK are serious and, despite the surreptitious help by China and Russia, keep the regime from economic growth or prosperity.

Kim has made some movement in his military leadership to allow himself more flexibility in meeting our demands. If we see more changes such as this, a big move could come in just a few years.

Should Kim find a way to ensure his survival and remain in power, I believe he will opt to fully denuclearize.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 1, 2019 2:34 PM
Comment #439038

“Russia collusion is almost certainly a dud.”

You need to get a better joke writer. The traitor had his instructions from Putain through Lavrov this week. He spent millions to fly that whole mess over to Hanoi (ouch, ouch, bonespurs) for no purpose except to distract from the Cohen hearings, which were scheduled prior to the trip.

Your knowledge of history and current reality disqualifies you from ever writing another article. It reads like something from an out of date text book. North Koreans work in Russia, and their salaries are very important to the economy.

There are no tests because the site blew up/imploded, close enough to the China border to cause an earthquake in their closest city, and Kim was summoned to Beijing in his armored train to talk about it. Kim Jung Un knows the dotard is too stupid to even understand that, but all the dotard needs to understand are his instructions from his boss/owner.

I don’t understand the concern about that particular autocracy, and no concern for other autocracies.

“Hillary’s possible collusion (along with her husband) with Russia is scornfully dismissed”, is proof of your insanity. If you’re taking the lithium, you need a stronger prescription.

Why are you trying to get in line with fake “Roy Ellis”, an avowed nazi? What on earth do you think that will do for this site? Why have three columns at all instead of changing it to one tinfoilhat blog?

Posted by: ohrealy at March 1, 2019 2:47 PM
Comment #439040
Ed O’hrealy wrote: Why are you trying to get in line with fake “Roy Ellis”, an avowed nazi ?
Ed O’hrealy, obviously, only comes here to spew hate and vitriol, as demonstrated by his many nasty, racist, hateful comments over many years (since 2006 or earlier).
Ed O’hrealy wrote: There are no tests because the site blew up/imploded …
As if there is only one site? N.Korea has several other missle sites (source: www.pri.org/stories/2018-11-12/report-says-north-korea-still-has-functioning-undeclared-missile-bases)

Many thanks to Ed O’hrealy, for being the gift that keeps on giving. Seriously. People like Ed O’hrealy are doing wonders for THEIR party. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 1, 2019 4:32 PM
Comment #439042

“Russia collusion is almost certainly a dud.”

Yeah, that one made me laugh out loud, but the next sentence is even funnier:

“Hillary’s possible collusion (along with her husband) with Russia is scornfully dismissed…”

ohrealy, you might already know this, but there are several dozen consecutively numbered sealed indictments in the federal docket in D.C., a highly unusual number. Gee, wonder what they are for. Gosh… Hmmm… Well, that’s a real poser.

An indictment for Wikileaks and Assange was accidentally revealed a few months ago, although no one knows what the sealed indictment involves. I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess it does not involve Hillary Clinton.

Roger Stone will go on trial in May. Prosecutors estimate it will take 5-8 days. Hey Roger, don’t pre-pay for any vacations later this year. Just sayin.

The underground nuclear test facility in NK collapsed. They do not have any other way of testing nukes right now. Missile bases are NOT the same as underground testing facilities for nuclear weapons.

Posted by: phx8 at March 1, 2019 5:24 PM
Comment #439043

True to form, our fact-challenged Pal phx8 continues to speculate relying only upon his hunches for direction. We wonder, can phx8 demonstrate to us, with proof, the last time his hunch paid off with fact?

Did Cohen tell the committee that Trump never expected to win the presidency? I think he did. If so, why would Trump enlist the help of the Russians to help him lose?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 1, 2019 5:33 PM
Comment #439044

Good point, Royal.
phx8 likes to make predictions that never come true. After each disappointment, phx8 writes: But, but, but, but, … , blah, blah, blah, but indictments are on the way.

phx8 wrote: Missile bases are NOT the same as underground testing facilities for nuclear weapons.
Wow. phx8 is a genius. Which is a bigger threat? An underground test site (which may not be the only site), or missiles and missile sites ? Is phx8 and Ed O’hrealy asserting that the U.S. should make a deal with N. Korea now, and remove sanctions against N. Korea, when they have not de-nuclearized ?

Many thanks to phx8 and Ed O’hrealy for being the gifts that keep on giving (and proud of it too!).

Posted by: d.a.n at March 1, 2019 5:58 PM
Comment #439045

RF,
“… why would Trump enlist the help of the Russians to help him lose?”

The Russians initially launched the multi-pronged attack against the 2016 election to undermine Hillary Clinton and American confidence in the electoral process. Part of that was revenge against HRC and Obama for perceived interference in their 2012 election. Another part was revenge for the Magnitsky Act, which put harsh sanctions on the Russian economy and individual Russian oligarchs. And finally, interfering in the US election was intended to weaken the US and advance Russian interests worldwide.

Trump became the primary vehicle for this Russian attack.

Trump anticipated losing would give him a real estate opportunity worth several hundred million dollars with Trump Tower Moscow. This reward was dangled before Trump and his associates as incentive to do what no loyal American would even consider. And if Trump actually won, so much the better for Trump and for Russia.

What could not be anticipated was just how good and how massive the Russian attack turned out to be, through social media, through Wikileaks dumps, and through the willingness of a part of the American population to follow a con, a cheat, and a liar. They were encouraged to ignore all else by a propaganda machine fronted by FOX, Limbaugh, Hannity, and others.

Because Trump pushed the magic button for a portion of the GOP and conservatism- racism, bigotry, and more.

Last observation: the GOP has changed radically. Polls show a lot of Republicans support Trump, but these are not the same Republicans as a few years ago. The so-called RINO’s, moderates, establishment Republicans, and Neo-Cons have been replace by once independent bigots, racists, Neo-Nazis, and worse. This has become the Republican base, and its politicians are caught in a trap of their own making.

Posted by: phx8 at March 1, 2019 6:41 PM
Comment #439048

pdx8, the sealed indictments are the only hope that Mueller has been spending his time well. Much of the rest of what has happened could have been done by Rod Rosenstein and the grand juries without the special counsel. People are pretty disappointed so far. Mueller is going to have to come out with a statement himself to justify the long delay:

https://www.needtoimpeach.com/impeachable-offenses/

The last two years of the lord of misrule have been a complete joke. Everyone is laughing at him, all around the world. He’s like one of those roman emperors who didn’t know what was going on, even though every other person in the empire and beyond knew. Stupidity is not a defense, but insanity could be. He might as well dress up as Nero.

Pod Save America has been on fire. They usually do live feeds twice a week, but more lately. Ben Rhodes was particularly good yesterday.

Besides Malcolm Nance, Dr. Jason Johnson is particularly good at summing things up. He has a YT channel with clips of appearances on AM Joy and other shows that you might have missed. Joy Reid is always fantastic.

I went to a few local stores today. All have help wanted signs out and none have enough people to operate their businesses properly.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 1, 2019 7:26 PM
Comment #439050

pdx8, I don’t know if you knew this, but Stephanie Miller is the daughter of Barry Goldwater’s VP running mate in 1964. He was a Nuremburg prosecutor. That party is unrecognizable, especially here. Malcolm Nance was also a “Colin Powell Rpblcn”. W got a larger percentage of the Hispanic vote, so they were heading someplace. Now, they’re a dwindling race and resentment minority.

Putain would never have followed through with the tower in Moscow if his puppet had lost. Even though he doesn’t have a clear grasp of western economics, of the non-looting variety, he knows a loser when he sees one. Besides the title article in The Atlantic on impeachment, there was also an article in that issue on How The Kleptocracy Came To America.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 1, 2019 7:43 PM
Comment #439051

The divisions created in our society are a replication of the divisions in Australian society, surprise, surprise. What we would call a redneck, they call a “bogan”.

Aussie Bogans Compilation :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-_sIFAUPMc

Dr. Jason Johnson with Ari Melber on the legal request for the POS tax documents:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K77u5pKxexM

Posted by: ohrealy at March 1, 2019 7:58 PM
Comment #439052

Who’s pdx8 ?
phx8 likes predicitons.
Here’s a prediction after Mueller’s done.
What do they call racists like this, in Australia?

Posted by: d.a.n at March 1, 2019 8:15 PM
Comment #439103

WOW…I challenge our Pal phx8 to prove every silly claim he makes in Comment #439045. Seldom have a I read a post filled with such hatred, deceit, and downright mendacity.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 2, 2019 3:19 PM
Comment #439104

What a treat to watch and listen to President Trump addressing the crowd at the CPAC convention today. His rhetoric was electric, bold, and inspiring. He absolutely crushed the Liberal/Socialist/Communist cabal and took the “never-Trumpers” to the woodshed for a well-deserved political spanking.

This man is unique. He not only inspired the nation with the vision he expressed as a candidate; but has fulfilled many of those promises to the tremendous benefit of every American and much of the world.

He eagerly anticipates an almost joyful experience in running against a Democrat Socialist agenda.

President Trump is helping to Make America Great Again

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 2, 2019 3:28 PM
Comment #439107
Royal Flush wrote: President Trump is helping to Make America Great Again
And most Democrats and socialist extremists are doing everything they can to prevent it, not to mention T H I S growing list.
Posted by: d.a.n at March 2, 2019 5:29 PM
Comment #439111

Reagan shook things up and it ended him up in a hospital bed.

Kennedy tried to go against the establishment and look what kind of bed he’s sleeping in now, a flower bed.

McKinley was a popular, pro-tariff president, the last of the post Civil War Republican era. He was assassinated by a obscure, disgruntled, anarchist, factory worker. His mentor was an anarchist who’s tactic was the use of violence to instigate change. Does any of this sound familiar?

McKinley’s vice president Theodore Roosevelt succeeded him and ushered in the Progressive era. It’s an eerily strange resemblance to Vice-President Johnson’s rise to power, isn’t it?

McKinley’s assassination ushered in the dominance of the Progressive movement. Kennedy’s death resulted in The Great Society and U.N. involvement in U.S decision making. Reagan was fortunate enough to live through the attempt on his life. Who knows how far Globalism could have advanced had he died.

The left is desperate. Many of the conditions our country suffers from offer Globalists an opportunity to grasp power through a Trump assassination. Many in this country would cheer his death. We should pray for Donald Trump, especially during his second term.


Posted by: Weary Willie at March 2, 2019 7:45 PM
Comment #439116

I really enjoy your article. thanks for sharing

Posted by: Rashid at March 3, 2019 2:01 AM
Comment #439125
And if the electorate realizes that the economy is really quite darn good (growth just under 3% and unemployment around 4%)

Lol, from the Trump lie of best ever to “really quite darn good” in so little time!
Despite the Trump lies this economy is no better then the Obama economy and we have went to a trillion dollar deficit faster than Trump could lie his way out of it.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 3, 2019 11:33 AM
Comment #439127

Isn’t it a wonder how when Democratics are in charge everything is good and when Republicans are in charge everything is bad. And then, when Republicans are in charge and things are good, it’s because the Democratics set it all up for them.

It’s simply amazing how that works!

I have a question for our leftist, partisan, narrow minded, friends here on WatchBlog.

If Obama was such a whiz at economics, why did it take him 9 years of an 8 year administration to improve the economy?

Do you realize the Democratics could have held power for another half-dozen decades if they concentrated on the economy instead of the ACA when they held all the power in 2008-10?

Your side got greedy. I don’t see that changing either.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 3, 2019 12:39 PM
Comment #439130

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Posted by: piyush narayan at March 3, 2019 1:06 PM
Comment #439139
It’s simply amazing how that works!

Truth is stranger than fiction Weary. The fact is the economy was the worse we have seen in decades when Obama took the wheel. It got better over time for some of us and stayed that way. It was Trump and the repubs who made promises they didn’t keep on the economy. They also are the ones that, through their propaganda machine, worked hard to convince us the economy was so bad and only they could make it better.

why did it take him 9 years of an 8 year administration to improve the economy?

First we have to assume that is true…right Weary?. But it is not. Trump is blowing smoke up your a**.

Second we have to remember where the economy was at when he took over. I think if you look at 2014, 2015 you will see the economy was recovered as much as we can expect considering we had a repub Congress that actively sought to undermine the president and the country for political reasons.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 3, 2019 3:15 PM
Comment #439140

The CEO and shareholder enrichment act 0f 2017

Posted by: j2t2 at March 3, 2019 3:24 PM
Comment #439142

“The people there talk about being pro-tariffs, anti-justice, anti-law enforcement, anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, pro-Russia, pro-autocrat. It’s unrecognizable what Donald Trump has done to the party and what he’s done to the conservative movement…”
Rick Tyler, Republican strategist, on the crowd at CPAC, 3/2/19

“Given my experience working for Mr. Trump, I fear that if he loses the election in 2020, there will never be a peaceful transition of power.”
Michael Cohen, Close long-time associate to Trump during testimony

During the 2016 election, Trump repeatedly suggested that the results would be “rigged.” If he is still in office in 2020, his incentive to deny election results will be even stronger. Losing the presidency will be an existential threat to Trump and his family. Nothing will stop the SDNY from arresting him for financial crimes.

For example, in the 2012 Financial Disclosure Statement for Trump presented to the Oversight Committee, a property called Seven Springs was listed at a value of $291 million. Before 2012 it was listed at up to $25 million. Today it is listed at $25-50 million on Trump’s disclosure form. If Trump submitted that form to Deutsche Bank while seeking a $1 billion loan, that would be a garden variety case of fraud, the kind SDNY routinely jails people for committing.

Posted by: phx8 at March 3, 2019 5:16 PM
Comment #439144
j2t2 wrote: Blah, blah, blah, … , Trump is blowing smoke up your a**.
open-borders phx8 wrote: Blah, blah, blah, … , “Nothing will stop the SDNY from arresting him [Trump] for financial crimes”.
Why should anyone take you two serious when you constantly write nasty, racist, hateful comments like this?. It is obvious that your numerous comments over many years (since 2006 or earlier) are fueled by blind hate and racism.

Never mind any of the following:

  • (01)economy,
  • (02)pushing for more fair trade,
  • (03)working for better border security,
  • (04)reduced bureaucracy and unnecessary regulation,
  • (05)reduced taxes,
  • (06)decimation of ISIS,
  • (07)higher GDP and economic growth,
  • (08)reduced unemployment,
  • (09)more people working, and less people on welfare (record numbers of people receiving welfare under Obama),
  • (10)corporations and money returning to the USA,
  • (11)higher consumer confidence,
  • (12)stock market reached all-time highs (despite dip the day after the 7-NOV-2018 election),
  • (13)Trump led an unprecedented global campaign to achieve the peaceful denuclearization of the Korean peninsula, and Kim Jong Un isn’t shooting more missles over Japan,
  • (14)the horribly stupid Iran deal was ended, and re-imposed sanctions on Iran,
  • (15)two Judicial appointments to the Supreme Court,
  • (16)denouncing “Guilty Until Proven Innocent”,
  • (17)gave the green light for school choice programs,
  • (18)repeal of the Obamacare penalty,
  • (19)exit from the Paris Climate Agreement,
  • (20)preseving coal as a backup energy source and preserving the Steel industry for national security reasons,
  • (21)Trump has signed legislation to bring more accountability to the Department of Veterans Affairs and provide our veterans with more choice in the care they receive,
  • (22)Trump followed through on his promise to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem,
  • (23)secured the release of prisoners from North Korea and Venezuela,
  • (24)Trump ordered strikes against Syria in response to the regime’s use of chemical weapons in April 2017 and April 2018,
  • (25)Trump imposed a range of sanctions on the Maduro dictatorship in Venezuela, including sanctions targeting Maduro and other senior government officials,
  • (26)Trump’s administration and I.C.E., in the first year (2017), made 110,568 arrests of illegal immigrants, of which 92% had criminal convictions,
  • (27)and, ALL of that was accomplished in 2 years, despite 90% negative reporting by the (much of it false) Main Stream Media).

What do the Democrats do?
Democrats:

  • (1) sought to continue slavery (source: www.britannica.com/topic/Democratic-Party);
  • (2) created the KKK (source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan);
  • (3) created Jim Crow laws (source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws);
  • (4) and imposed racial segregation (source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats).
… and today, not much has changed, because the Democrats are now:
  • (01) despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes, by pandering to illegal immigrants for 30+ years, for more votes (via more representation in the House, via more U.S. House representatives, via apportionment of representatives (and more electoral votes, and more federal funding), based on population, based on the decennial CENSUS, which does NOT verify U.S. citizenship);
  • (02) fighting against a [x]citizenship check-box on decennial CENSUS;
  • (03) lying about level of crime by illegal immigrants, and refuse to report 2,000 homicides per year by criminal non-citizens (source: DHS, GAO, cis.org, site2data.com/homicides1.html);
  • (04) lying about the cost of massive illegal (and legal) immigration (about $300 Billion per year in net losses; sources: www.washingtontimes.com ; www.youtube.com/watch?v=msGVs4lFDw4 );
  • (05) calling for open borders;
  • (06) calling for the abolishment of I.C.E.;
  • (07) calling for another amnesty, like the shamnesty of 1986, which quintupled the severity of the problem;
  • (08) refusing requirement for employers to use eVerify;
  • (09) giving illegal immigrants drivers’ licenses, and also automatically register them to vote at the same time; and then Democrats ignore many tens of thousands of instances of voter fraud by illegal immigrants (source: site2data.com/voting1.html);
  • (10) wanting more mayors like Libby Schaaf, who warns illegal immigrants before an ICE raid to arrest criminal illegal immigrants;
  • (11) wanting more sanctuary cities and states, where Democrats (and A.G. Xavier Becerra) passed sanctuary city and state laws that protect criminal non-citizens (e.g. an illegal immigrant, Garcia Zarate (already deported 5 times) can shoot and murder Kate Steinle, and be acquitted for that murder);
  • (12) calling to abolish or restrict 2nd Amendment rights, and say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”, but conveniently ignore 2,000 homicides per year by criminal non-citizens (source: site2data.com/homicides1.html);

Many thanks to j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy who are doing a great job at winning voters over to their nasty, racist, hateful way of thinking.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 3, 2019 6:55 PM
Comment #439149
Why should anyone take you two serious when you constantly write nasty, racist, hateful comments like this?

I would suggest, D., that it is because they see through your lies. I haven’t written anything racist as you would have us believe, unless of course you have re-defined the term. Your false accusations are the drivel of liars and propagandist. You group us together as a smear tactic and even your conservative friends see through your BS.

I would also suggest that when we see the repubs moving farther and farther to the right, what you consider to be hateful and nasty is merely an accurate reflection of the facts. As Phx8 told us even repub strategist are scared of what you guys have become. Remember you project so much so often you have no credibility nor integrity.

The real question you should be asking is why should your repetition be considered anything but propaganda. Why should your false narratives be believed. You have tried to use this attack the messenger crap for some time now to discredit the truth of our message. The problem is it doesn’t work against the truth of our comments, except in your mind and the weaker minds that believe your propaganda.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 3, 2019 8:09 PM
Comment #439150

j2t2, it’s actually called Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. This is why no one takes you seriously.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 3, 2019 8:17 PM
Comment #439153

It’s a shame WatchBlog visitors have to put up with the likes of j2t2’s comment. His attempts to redefine facts really give put a damper on the WatchBlog community’s ability to discuss issues seriously.

j2t2, why don’t you give the combative nature of your comments a break? Why don’t you hold your tongue until you can offer something positive to the discussion?

I’m looking forward to your commitment to point out the aggressive nature of our police forces. I’m looking forward to rebuilding infrastructure. I’m looking forward to a ban on divided government!

Let’s start coming together with a simple definition of what our federal government should do. Let’s start with the federal government’s agreement with the many states. Let’s start with the U.S. Constitution as it was ratified in 1792. (or 89?).

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 3, 2019 8:39 PM
Comment #439154
it was ratified in 1792. (or 89?)

Let’s start here.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 3, 2019 8:47 PM
Comment #439155

Let’s reaffirm what we all think we know. Perhaps the origin of our disagreement were conceived here?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 3, 2019 8:51 PM
Comment #439156

disagreements

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 3, 2019 9:00 PM
Comment #439157

Let’s start by identifying the problem.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 3, 2019 9:08 PM
Comment #439166

President Trump is helping to Make America Great Again

Sure he is Royal…. One lie at a time

Posted by: j2t2 at March 4, 2019 2:32 AM
Comment #439183

j2t2 lies: I haven’t written anything racist as you would have us believe, unless of course you have re-defined the term.
Not true. For example:

  • j2t2 wrote: Neither am I a build a wall on one border to keep the brown guys out type.
  • j2t2 wrote: Seems you guys [on Watchblog] just want to keep out the brown skinned families.
So, j2t2 doesn’t think those statements are racist?

Posted by: d.a.n at March 4, 2019 10:14 AM
Comment #439184
  • j2t2 wrote: I haven’t written anything racist as you would have us believe, unless of course you have re-defined the term.
  • j2t2 wrote: Neither am I a build a wall on one border to keep the brown guys out type.
  • j2t2 wrote: Seems you guys [on Watchblog] just want to keep out the brown skinned families.
j2t2’s comments above is calling people on Watchblog racists, and accusing them of wanting only to keep out people with brown skin. And then j2t2 claims to have never written anything racist. Evidently, j2t2 believes calling others racist is not racist. ?
Posted by: d.a.n at March 4, 2019 10:22 AM
Comment #439191

Wow using your distorted “logic” D., you have re-defined racist to fit your false narratives! It seems you are from the “calling someone racist is racist” line of illogical thought! Don’t I have to actually say you are a racist…. or do I just have to be accurate in my descriptions to earn your silly version of reality? Jeez D. the hatred in you is overcoming your reasoning. Or is it your fear overcoming your cognitive abilities?

Anyway your reverse racist mentality is a false narrative, a red herring and a strawman all rolled up into a hateful attack the messenger rant. You are truly a waste of time and space.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 4, 2019 12:43 PM
Comment #439192

” Fox executives lied, cheated and committed fraud “

“appear to have given false testimony in an attempt to conceal their wrongful acts.” According to the ruling, Fox has taken a “cavalier attitude toward its wrongdoing” and exhibits a “company-wide culture and an accepted climate that enveloped an aversion for the truth.”

“False promises, fraudulently induced releases, the cavalier attitude of Fox executives and even a hint of perjury in this case “support a finding of reprehensibility,”

Posted by: ohrealy at March 4, 2019 1:05 PM
Comment #439193

Is j2t2 angry?
j2t2 fails to understand what pains him most, is j2t2’s own nasty, racist, hateful words and lies (what j2t2 refers to as his “Words of Wisdom”).

Posted by: d.a.n at March 4, 2019 1:13 PM
Comment #439202
Weary Willie wrote: It’s a shame WatchBlog visitors have to put up with the likes of j2t2’s comment.
But these three (j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy) are the gifts that keep on giving.
The Democrat party would be delighted to have the type of support that these three provide.
Posted by: d.a.n at March 4, 2019 3:04 PM
Comment #439204

“Tr-mp Gives Endless Idiotic Speech to Moronic CPAC Crowd”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0fYPQYjhso

That sums that up.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 4, 2019 5:00 PM
Comment #439210

Who, among our Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist Pals, would like to replace Capitalism in the United States with full-blown Socialism? Why?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 4, 2019 6:14 PM
Comment #439212

RF,
Replacing Capitalism with Socialism doesn’t make any sense. Blending Democratic Socialism with Capitalism makes a lot of sense. Throwing around the word ‘socialism’ is strange, because it is impossible to tell what Trump, a Trump supporter, or you mean by that. Is recognizing the scientific fact of Climate Change socialist? Is Medicare socialist? What about Medicare-for-all? Is friendliness toward immigrants socialist? Is hostility to minorities capitalist? How do you connect pro-choice with socialism, or capitalism? It just doesn’t work. It is kind of like shouting ‘Benghazi!’ and assuming that settles something.

Here is an interesting poll comparing perceptions of Democratic positions with the GOP:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/poll-more-americans-see-democratic-positions-climate-health-care-abortion-n978401?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

In category after category- climate change, health care, immigration, and abortion- Americans far prefer the Democratic positions. On one category- fiscal issues- the two parties are tied.

Posted by: phx8 at March 4, 2019 6:55 PM
Comment #439214

The reich wing doesn’t know what they think about anything until they’re told what to think about it.

Pod Save America splaining:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVlw5K20NNs

Posted by: ohrealy at March 4, 2019 7:10 PM
Comment #439218

The problem is the capitalist system we have put in place during the 80’s and continue to protect to this day. We replaced a liberal capitalist system with a neo-liberal capitalist system. This neo-liberal capitalism is defined as follows- (from https://eanfar.org/classical-liberalism-vs-neoliberalism/)
1.Deregulate all markets, especially financial and labor markets (based on a priori faith in the ability of bankers and corporate executives to regulate themselves).
2.Dismantle domestic social stability programs (regardless of the inevitable social, political, and economic instability this creates) because personal responsibility is paramount.
3.Implement corporate welfare programs and extensive WTO rules to protect banks and bondholders from their own malfeasance and negligent risk management, including bailouts and many other government interventions (while ignoring the continuous creation of moral hazards and the hypocritical contradiction of their “personal responsibility” mandate above).
4.Eliminate capital controls to allow “hot money” to move rapidly between countries so that investors and corporations can exploit arbitrage opportunities in labor, tax, currency, and natural resource markets (regardless of the volatility and destabilizing impact that hot money has on all markets throughout local and global economies).
5.Promote the financialization of virtually everything, including re-engineering Western manufacturing and insurance companies into quasi-banks and derivatives traders to “diversify risk” (but really to exploit the get-rich-quick scams on Wall Street because real manufacturing industries are not able to spike quarterly profits enough to guarantee their stock option bonuses, which do nothing to increase production and value for the real economy.)
6.Sell all public assets to private owners (regardless of whether a country’s private markets are mature or transparent enough or sufficiently regulated to effectively manage those assets).
7.Treat foreign investors exactly the same as domestic investors (ignoring the obvious reality that foreign investors do not have the same loyalty and commitment to a country’s economic and social needs as local investors).
8.Insist that foreign investors should be allowed to own and control vital infrastructure assets in the energy, banking, telecommunications, water distribution, transportation, and natural resource sectors (while prohibiting foreign ownership and control of vital infrastructure and resources in their own countries).
9.Reduce the negotiating power of workers, eliminate labor market protections, and embrace the arbitrary and unsubstantiated notion of a “natural rate of unemployment.” (Of course, this “natural rate” is never “natural.” In reality, the neoliberal “natural rate” is whatever rate happens to exist after all corporate welfare and government labor policies have impacted the labor market, including policies that promote offshoring, outsourcing, labor wage suppression, union-busting, labor price pressures from minimum-wage laws that suppress domestic job creation, among many other “natural” factors.)
10.Promote “free trade” by forcing developing countries to eliminate trade policies that protect their economies from hostile foreign political and economic forces before they are strong enough to effectively endure such forces (while neoliberals do everything possible to protect their own economies).
11.Reject all forms of Import Substitution Industrialization (ISI) in favor of strict adherence to export-led growth and the arbitrary notion of “comparative advantage” (while ignoring how this dooms developing nations to a pre-industrialized mode of production; prevents them from achieving sustainable, stable, and long-run economic development; keeps them dependent upon imported manufactured goods from industrialized nations; and keeps them subservient to the economic and political agendas of industrialized nations).
12.Prevent countries from enforcing their own health and safety regulations on imported products (regardless of how corporate interest groups and conflicts of interest in exporting countries might compromise the safety of their exported products).
13. Prevent countries from enforcing their own environmental regulations against foreign corporations (regardless of the environmental consequences).
14. Impose a global intellectual property regime that prevents countries from developing their own intellectual property in vital public health areas such as disease management, food production, clean energy production, among many others.
15. Cut taxes for top income earners (regardless of the fiscal condition of the government).
16. Shrink the size of government as an end in itself (without a serious investigation into how big or small a government should be to achieve long-run economic and social stability).
17. Reject any form of monetary autonomy and impose macroeconomic austerity on all countries (except their own country).

So a Social democracy system seems to be much better than what we have. If, of course they social democracy system means a market based system with shareholders being the owners of the means of production.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 5, 2019 12:15 AM
Comment #439238

“Is recognizing the scientific fact of Climate Change socialist?”

Not at all. But fearmongering and stripping away rights in order to forcefully confiscate wealth and redistribute it, is.

“Is Medicare socialist? What about Medicare-for-all?”

Strips away freedom of choice. Government controls funding and coverage, but does not yet provide the means. 90% socialist.

“Is friendliness toward immigrants socialist?”

Far from it. Nobody is suggesting that though.

“Is hostility to minorities capitalist?”

Far from it. Nobody is suggesting that either. In fact, our capitalist society has done more for our minorities than other countries have done for theirs.

“How do you connect pro-choice with socialism, or capitalism?”

Socialism requires government to force people to do things against their will. Actual freedom of choice simply cannot exist under socialism.

Posted by: kctim at March 5, 2019 9:22 AM
Comment #439239

kctim, Thanks for answering phx8’s stupid questions, and that stupid NBC poll (More Americans see Democratic positions on climate, health care, abortion as ‘in the mainstream’. Republicans are seen as more in line on issues of taxes and spending). Perception usually does not match reality. And the two charts in that poll show that Demcorats think they are more “main-stream”, and Republicans think they are more “main-stream”. How NBC concludes from those two charts that more Americans think Democrats are more “main-stream” is questionable. It appears more likely that NBC has an agenda.

Royal Flush asked: Who, among our Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist Pals, would like to replace [regulated] Capitalism in the United States with full-blown Socialism? Why?
ANSWER: people that want free stuff, and many politicians promise free stuff to get elected.
j2t2, open-borders phx8, and Ed O’hrealy seem to love AOC. Possibly, because she is promising a lot of stuff that they think they will get for free ?
Ed O’hrealy wrote: If you see AOC [Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez] as bad, that bad is in your head, and you should figure out how that got into your head, and who put it there.
Ed O’hrealy wrote: AOC is dangerous? WTF? Seriously, I think lithium may be the solution to the author’s problem.
phx8 wrote: AOC killed it last night in an interview with Rachel Maddow. It is understandable why conservatives “freak out” over her. They are seeing the Ghost of Christmas Future.
phx8 wrote: phx8 wrote: AOL AOC (Alexandria Ocasio Cortez) is awesome. You are seeing the future. She [AOC] is charismatic, her political instincts are excellent, and she has already proven adept at using social media.
j2t2 wrote: It is time we drop these conservative myths guys. The world is moving ahead and dealing with over-population and MMGW. Only the far right and other dictators like Putin aren’t.
j2t2 thinks right-leaning people are unfair for laughing at AOC, but AOC deserves to be “laughed at” when she says the “world will end in 12 years”.

j2t2, Most of those policies (except perhaps 6 and 16) are not virtuous, they are not the values of people fair-minded people that cherish a basic philosophy of “live-and-let-live”.
As the title of the article states, it is defining NeoLiberalism (not NeoConservatism or NeoModeratte, or whatever other label).
However, that does not change the fact that the U.S. is suffering due to many of those things in the list above, to varying degrees.

NeoLiberalism:

  • 1. Deregulate all markets… [That’s a bad thing. Some regulation is necessary, otherwise, extremism would lead to monopolies, and wallowing in every manifestation of unchecked greed].
  • 2. Dismantle domestic social stability programs… [That’s not going to happen. It should be fixed, because IF Congress continues to spend Social Security money for everything else, then it will fail, which begs the question: Is the federal government able to adequately administer such programs?]
  • 3. Implement corporate welfare… [That’s a bad thing. That’s how General Motors got $10 Billion from tax payers.]
  • 4. Eliminate capital controls to allow… [That’s a bad thing. Again, some regulation is necessary, otherwise, extremism would lead to monopolies, and wallowing in every manifestation of unchecked greed].
  • 5. Promote the financialization of virtually everything… [That’s a bad thing. Again, some regulation is necessary, otherwise, extremism would lead to monopolies, and wallowing in every manifestation of unchecked greed]
  • 6. Sell all public assets to private owners… [That depends on the assets, and in some cases, some guarantees may be necessary to protect the assets.]
  • 7. Treat foreign investors exactly the same as domestic investors… [That’s a bad thing. As a result, much of the property in the U.S. is foreign owned.]
  • 8. Insist that foreign investors should be allowed to own and control vital infrastructure assets… [That’s a bad thing. Again, some regulation is necessary, otherwise, extremism would lead to monopolies, and wallowing in every manifestation of unchecked greed. ]
  • 9. Reduce the negotiating power of workers,… [That’s a bad thing. However, that does not mean government should control wages of non-government entities, nor should Unions be able to force people to participate.]
  • 10. Promote “free trade” by forcing developing countries to eliminate trade policies… [That’s a bad thing. Sovereign nations should do whatever they want. However, nations that impose tariffs should not be surprised if they are confronted with reciprocal tariffs. Duh! Free Trade is a good thing. However, there are a few industries and sectors that require some protection, and some that require limits, for national-security reasons (e.g. steel, weapon systems, patents, some technology and scientific knowledge, anti-dumping restrictions, exchange-rate restrictions, etc.) ]
  • 11. Reject all forms of Import Substitution Industrialization (ISI) in favor of strict adherence to export-led growth… [This is a bad thing, and goes against the idea of Free Trade.]
  • 12. Prevent countries from enforcing their own health and safety regulations on imported products (regardless of how corporate interest groups and conflicts of interest in exporting countries might compromise the safety of their exported products). [This is a bad thing. The solution is: “Don’t buy un-safe products from other nations. ]
  • 13. Prevent countries from enforcing their own environmental regulations against foreign corporations (regardless of the environmental consequences). [That’s a bad thing. but it happens all the time. Many greedy corporations move off-shore to take advantage of nations with weak environmental regulations, and those corporations should be held accountable.]
  • 14. Impose a global intellectual property regime that prevents countries from developing their own intellectual property in vital public health areas such as disease management, food production, clean energy production, among many others. [That’s a bad thing. No nation should be prevening other foreign nations’ from developing better public health, food production, or clean energy. b>]
  • 15. Cut taxes for top income earners (regardless of the fiscal condition of the government) [This is a bad thing, but it exists today. First of all, IF you believe a fair-and-just tax is a FLAT percentage, then our current tax system is unfair, because a wage earner (i.e. making $65K per year) pays a much higher percentage (e.g. 35%) of their income to taxes than a multi-millionaire (e.g. paying 15% on $40 Million). Obviously, that’s not fair IF you believe a FLAT percentage is fair.]
  • 16. Shrink the size of government as an end in itself… [That depends. However, for the most part, the federal government is severely bloated, wasteful, and inefficient. For example, consider $70 Billion per year in Medicare fraud alone, and that is only the tip of the iceberg. ]
  • 17. Reject any form of monetary autonomy and impose macroeconomic austerity on all countries (except their own country). [That’s a bad thing. Sovereign nations have a right to self-government, and that includes monetary autonomy. That does not mean monetary abuse should be tolerated by other trading-nations.]

Posted by: d.a.n at March 5, 2019 9:56 AM
Comment #439247

D., I’m surprised, you have pulled your head out of your a** far enough to see the light. Quite a breakthrough for a conservative. Good Job.

Your really stupid comment needs to be addressed. Which one you ask …right, there are a three. So lets deal with them.

1.”ANSWER: people that want free stuff, and many politicians promise free stuff to get elected.” This myth is as stupid as conservatism gets. It is neo-liberalism thought IMHO.

2.”it is defining NeoLiberalism (not NeoConservatism or NeoModeratte, or whatever other label).
However, that does not change the fact that the U.S. is suffering due to many of those things in the list above, to varying degrees.”

Wow just when you think we have hit the depths of conservative’s stupidity here you go lowering the bar. Your response says “its liberalism not conservatism so there”. But you would be wrong to think that. Here are some thoughts for you to deal with. From- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

“Neoliberalism or neo-liberalism[1] is the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism and free market capitalism.[2]:7[3] Those ideas include economic liberalization policies such as privatization, austerity, deregulation, free trade[4] and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society.[12] These market-based ideas and the policies they inspired constitute a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus which lasted from 1945 to 1980.”

“David Harvey traces the rise of neoliberalism in the United States to Lewis Powell’s 1971 confidential memorandum to the Chamber of Commerce.[83]:43 A call to arms to the business community to counter criticism of the free enterprise system, it was a significant factor in the rise of conservative organizations and think-tanks which advocated for neoliberal policies, such as the Business Roundtable, The Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, Citizens for a Sound Economy, Accuracy in Academia and the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research.”

So as we see neoliberalism has been the guiding light since Carter and got going full bore under Reagan. Both Liberals and Conservatives grasped onto the ideology, and here we are today talking about Socialism, Social democracy and democratic socialism. Perhaps what we are saying is we advocate for a social market economy.

IN England conservatives have embraced this type of capitalism without the hysterical nonsense of their American counterparts that claim a loss of liberty and welfare state and other nonsense. The problem here is many conservatives are against “globalist” or economic globalization but advocate for the free market or neo-liberal capitalism. IMHO they are one and the same.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 5, 2019 12:37 PM
Comment #439248

#3

j2t2 thinks right-leaning people are unfair for laughing at AOC, but AOC deserves to be “laughed at” when she says the “world will end in 12 years”.

OK maybe dense but not full out stupid, lets deal with it so you won’t have to continually repeat it as if it were fact. We all know what AO-C was referring to. Yes she exaggerated a bit but hey…Trump….and you seem to have zero problem with exaggeration.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 5, 2019 12:38 PM
Comment #439249

WOW! j2t2 and the left has been keeping a list of Trump’s “exaggerations” and calling them lies since the start of his campaign!

What blatant hypocrisy! Suddenly j2t2 has someone who shifts his jib, and it “a bit” now!

See, j2t2? This is why d.a.n and the rest of us disagree with you. You can’t keep your story straight.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 5, 2019 1:41 PM
Comment #439250

“Replacing Capitalism with Socialism doesn’t make any sense. Blending Democratic Socialism with Capitalism makes a lot of sense.”

Thanks for your response phx8.

Can you describe how you envision “Blended Socialism/Capitalism?

Please don’t use existing Socialized public programs programs.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 5, 2019 1:55 PM
Comment #439251
See, j2t2? This is why d.a.n and the rest of us disagree with you. You can’t keep your story straight

Wow Weary such an illogical leap to defend the deity Trump! You seem to not know the difference between Trump’s lies, deception deceit misinformation and AO-C’s exaggeration. Nor, evidentially, do you understand anyone can do both. The way you defend Trump one would think you would. Perhaps a
less biased source of information
will help you to understand what she was saying and why.

Anyway that isn’t why you guys disagree with me, poor boy, surely you know that. You guys don’t like what I write, the truth isn’t always pleasant and you guys are so emotional and sensitive when it comes to the cult of conservatism and conservative sacred cows.

Not to mention Trump isn’t my story nor for that matter is AO-C. So I don’t know what you think isn’t straight but one thing for certain it sure isn’t your comprehension and reasoning ability.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 5, 2019 2:14 PM
Comment #439252

Paul Douglas, economist and Democratic senator from Illinois for 18 years, was uncomfortable with the environment he found at the university. He stated that, “…I was disconcerted to find that the economic and political conservatives had acquired almost complete dominance over my department and taught that market decisions were always right and profit values the supreme ones… The opinions of my colleagues would have confined government to the eighteenth-century functions of justice, police, and arms, which I thought had been insufficient even for that time and were certainly so for ours. These men would neither use statistical data to develop economic theory nor accept critical analysis of the economic system… (Frank) Knight was now openly hostile, and his disciples (See Milton Friedman) seemed to be everywhere. If I stayed, it would be in an unfriendly environment.”(wiki)

Friedman was an advisor to Republican President Ronald Reagan and Conservative British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher(big fan of Pinochet who adopted Friedman’s suggestions). His political philosophy extolled the virtues of a free market economic system with minimal intervention. He once stated that his role in eliminating conscription in the United States was his proudest accomplishment. In his 1962 book Capitalism and Freedom, Friedman advocated policies such as a volunteer military, freely floating exchange rates, abolition of medical licenses, a negative income tax and school vouchers and opposed the war on drugs. His support for school choice led him to found the Friedman Foundation for Educational Choice, later renamed EdChoice.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 5, 2019 2:28 PM
Comment #439253

“The problem is the capitalist system we have put in place during the 80’s and continue to protect to this day. We replaced a liberal capitalist system with a neo-liberal capitalist system.”

Thanks to j2t2 for linking to the thoughts of others on this question. Reading the seventeen points listed by j2t2 was interesting. None were factual, and merely expressed some variation on the Socialist themes developed by Marx.

Marx believed, as do our modern Liberals and Progressives of the Democrat Party; that if one is in the upper class, life was one of leisure and abundance, while those in the lower class lived lives of hardship and poverty. Marx looked around the world to find reasons for poverty. He found his answer…poverty was the result of Capitalism.

Marx did not understand, nor do our Liberal Pals on WatchBlog understand; we, each of us individually, are our own greatest source of wealth. We remove ourselves from poverty if not prevented from doing so by government programs designed to keep us poor.

Want Proof?

Take a look at a family with five children, living within modest means. One child found a way to obtain a higher education and today holds a high paying job in industry. Two children are blue-collar workers making good wages and have a wonderful life. One child died of drug abuse and one child is living on welfare.

These children all had equal opportunity, yet did not obtain equal results.

Should government interfere and demand equal results?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 5, 2019 2:31 PM
Comment #439254

“…a market based system with shareholders being the owners of the means of production.”

OK j2t2, I’ll bite. What the hell does that even mean?

Shareholders own all capital.

How did they obtain the capital. From where did the capital originate?

Under j2t2’s system, private capital no longer exists. We all share equally. Hmmm…what “ism” does that remind you of that resulted in wars, poverty, and millions being killed for political reasons?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 5, 2019 2:39 PM
Comment #439255

Another question for our Socialist Pal j2t2. If “shareholders” own the means of production, who determines each persons share?

Does everyone share equally regardless of their input? Does everyone have to work for their share? Were the former owners duly compensated for losing their shares? Who makes decisions, individuals or all shareholders?

Is this just a Union on Steroids?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 5, 2019 3:20 PM
Comment #439258

The Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist mantra has been “put us in charge and we will change the world”.

Who Benefits From Democratic Control?

“Of the 20 most dangerous major cities, all but one had a Democratic mayor. In many of these cities, the Democratic Party has ruled for a half-century or more. Only Tulsa, Oklahoma, with 17.3 murders per 100,000 residents, had a Republican mayor.”

https://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2019/01/23/who-benefits-from-democratic-control-n2539347

Voters in these failed cities are finally noticing that Democrat campaign promises don’t ever work.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 5, 2019 4:44 PM
Comment #439259

Has anyone besides me wondered about the veracity of Democrat claims? They claim that MMGW is “settled science”. And yet, they deny the “settled science” concerning human chromosome biology which determines human se*uality.

I am considered a “climate denier”.

Does that make our Liberal Pals “S*x deniers”?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 5, 2019 4:54 PM
Comment #439268

Reading the seventeen points listed by j2t2 was interesting. None were factual, and merely expressed some variation on the Socialist themes developed by Marx.

I disagree Royal. We need an accurate definition of Capitalism and Socialism that reflects where we are today not a century ago. We are all over the board trying to talk about the issue you brought up. It is a well known fact Neo-liberalism is what we have here in America today. The 17 points describe to a “T” what has happened over the years to our economic system. That is why we hear the call for the various types of socialism more and more.

From the link-
“Neoliberal Capitalism Has Destroyed Global Trust in Capitalism. The mainstream neoliberal economists and their curriculum that dominates college Economics programs worldwide have turned the majority of humanity against capitalism[5].[6] That’s a tragedy in itself, but when the fruits of capitalism become so distant from the majority of the human population, it’s no surprise that the majority of humanity would perceive capitalism as hostile to their existence. It’s a mistake for successful beneficiaries of capitalism to assume that the free market alone will fix everything.”

I mean you can hide your head in the sand and deny our economic system is Neo-liberal Capitalism but you are only shooting yourself in the foot.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 5, 2019 6:54 PM
Comment #439269

So, after all of this, it has proved again that j2t2, open borders phx8, and nutty Ed O’hrealy have their C L I C K ___ H E R E.

All j2t2, open-borders phx8, and Ed O’hrealy (who [Ed] doesn’t always agree with j2t2) have is each other.

So, again, thank you j2t2, open-borders pdx8, and Ed O’hrealy, for being the gift that keeps on giving. All of your comments are winning over new socialist extremists in droves. Keep up the great work!

Posted by: d.a.n at March 5, 2019 7:35 PM
Comment #439270

The funny thing is j2t2 gave us a link to neo-Liberalism and tried to attribute those 17 neo-“liberal” abuses to non-liberals.

But then, what do you expect from someone who writes all of T H I S ?

Again, people that spew these sort of nasty, racist, hateful comments, prove (based on many years of comments since 2006 or earlier) that they are incapable of civil and logical debate. It always proves to be a waste of time. They are only here to antagonate and spew more nasty, racist, hateful comments.

However, on a positive note, many thanks to j2t2, open-borders phx8, and nutty Ed O’hrealy for being the gifts that keep on giving. It’s funny that they think they are helping THEIR party. So, keep up the good work!

AOC for president 2020 !!!

Posted by: d.a.n at March 5, 2019 8:23 PM
Comment #439326

j2t2 is right. We need to define Capitalism again. Actually, we should rediscover the true definition of Capitalism, because what we have now isn’t true Capitalism.

If you don’t believe me, tell me this is true Capitalism:

ARTICLE VIII. - YARD SALE REGULATIONS

Sec. 8-160. - Purpose.

This article is adopted for the purpose of authorizing and regulating yard sales within the corporate limits of the City of xxxx, xxxxxxxx.

(Ord. No. 1110, § 1, 10-26-10)
Sec. 8-161. - Definitions.

The following terms shall be defined in this article as follows:

(1)

Yard sale. “Yard sale” means the sale of new or used household articles or household goods to the public at large, at any specific location, both indoors and outdoors, in a residential district, and includes such terms as garage sale, basement sale, moving sale, rummage sale, or flea market.

(2)

Public way. “Public way” means all such streets, roadways, or alleys within the corporate limits of the City of xxxx that are under the city’s jurisdiction, and any other public rights-of-way or easements.

(3)

Household. “Household” means an individual who applies for a permit and anyone who resides in that individual’s residence.

(Ord. No. 1110, § 1, 10-26-10)
Sec. 8-162. - Prohibition.

No person, firm, business entity, or other organization shall conduct a yard sale within the corporate limits of the City of xxxx without first obtaining a permit and fully complying with the terms of this article.

(Ord. No. 1110, § 1, 10-26-10)
Sec. 8-163. - Permit; fees.

(a)

Each applicant for a permit to conduct a yard sale shall make an application with the clerk-treasurer on forms prescribed by the board of public works and safety. The applicant shall provide all the information required by the permit application. The sale days shall be consecutive.

(b)

In the event a permit is granted, the city shall charge and collect a fee of $5.00 for a one or two-day permit and $10.00 for a three or four-day permit, payable prior to the issuance of the permit.

(c)

Any nonprofit organization exempt under Section 501 of the Internal Revenue Code may obtain up to two permits per calendar year without payment of the fee, provided that all proceeds of the sale inure to the organization.

(d)

No fees shall be charged for any weekend designated by the city as a “Free Yard Sale Weekend.”

(Ord. No. 1110, § 1, 10-26-10)
Sec. 8-164. - Conditions of conducting the sale.

(a)

A property location may not be permitted for a yard sale more than three times in a calendar year. The property location must be identified as the post office address assigned thereto and shall include the dwelling or any part thereof, yard, open field, barn, garage, accessory building, and parking area.

(b)

The yard sale must be conducted only by the homeowner, tenant, or occupant, or with the homeowner, tenant, or occupants permission.

(c)

A permitted yard sale shall be limited to no more than four consecutive days and must be conducted between the hours of 7:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m.

(d)

The conduct of the yard sale shall not interfere with the orderly flow of pedestrian or vehicular traffic.

(e)

Yard sales shall be conducted on private property or public property with permission and no merchandise shall be placed upon public rights-of-way, including streets and sidewalks.

(f)

All unsold yard sale merchandise remaining on the site at the conclusion of the sale must be removed therefrom immediately. Merchandise sold to purchasers must be removed from the permitted sale site within 24 hours of the conclusion of the sale.

(Ord. No. 1110, § 1, 10-26-10)
Sec. 8-165. - Advertisement; signs.

A yard sale may be advertised to the public by means of newspapers, radio, television, cablevision, handbills, and signs. If the seller chooses to advertise by handbills or signs, the following restrictions apply:

(1)

Only signs purchased from the city shall be displayed.

(2)

Four signs with be issued with each permit. Additional signs may be purchased for $0.50 per sign. No more than six signs can be displayed.

(3)

Signs and handbills shall not be placed in the public right-of-way. No signs or handbills shall be placed on utility poles, trees, or private property which is not the permitted site.

(4)

Signs and handbills cannot be displayed more than seven days before the sale and must be removed immediately following the conclusion of the sale and must be properly disposed.

(5)

Any sign improperly located or otherwise placed in violation of this article may be removed by the city and confiscated.

(Ord. No. 1110, § 1, 10-26-10)
Sec. 8-166. - Exceptions.

This article shall not apply to or affect the following persons or sales:

(1)

Persons selling goods pursuant to an order or process of a court of competent jurisdiction.

(2)

Persons acting in accordance with their powers and duties as public officials or as court appointed personal representatives of estates.

(3)

Sales by homeowners or occupants who, during the normal course of housekeeping, advertise or otherwise offer for sale, an individual item of property, such as furniture, an appliance, or a vehicle, being replaced or no longer needed.

(Ord. No. 1110, § 1, 10-26-10)
Sec. 8-167. - Enforcement; fines.

Whoever violates any provision of this article shall be fined for each such violation the sum of $100.00. Each day that a violation occurs shall constitute a separate violation. Such fines shall be payable to the ordinance violations bureau through the Clerk-Treasurer of the City of xxxx.


ARTICLE IV. - YARD SALE SIGNS

Sec. 8-91. - Regulations.

(a)

It shall be unlawful for a person, or organization to affix to any pole, post, tree, stake or other structure located on any city right-of-way or easement a sign or advertisement for a yard, rummage or garage sale, as defined in xxxx Zoning Code title XIV, section 4, except as provided by this article.

(b)

That upon obtaining a yard sale permit, under title XIV, section 4 of xxxx [Zoning] Code, a person or organization shall be issued four advertising signs which may be placed within the city’s rights-of-way or easements.

(c)

That upon the completion of the yard sale event as provided in title XIV, section 4 of the xxxx [Zoning] Code, the permittee shall remove all advertising signs from the city’s rights-of-way and easements.

(Ord. No. 918, 9-13-94)

Section 6. - Yard and rummage sale permits.

No yard or rummage sale shall commence operations on any parcel of land without the property owner first obtaining a permit from the zoning administrator. Rummage, garage and yard sales shall be limited to five two-day permits within a calendar year.

There will be a citywide yard, and rummage sale on one day per year for those residents subject to the zoning jurisdiction of the City of xxxx. No fee will be charged to participants and no permit will be required. The organization or person assuming responsibility for coordinating the event, shall apply to the xxxx Plan Commission for a date on which this event may be held.
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Let me know when you find anything resembling freedom here.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 6, 2019 9:53 AM
Comment #439327

I found it ironic that my city passed these ordinances at the same time Ronald Reagan signed the NAFTA “Free Trade Agreement”.

Clearly a “good enough for thee, but not for me.” type of deal, yes?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 6, 2019 9:57 AM
Comment #439335
The funny thing is j2t2 gave us a link to neo-Liberalism and tried to attribute those 17 neo-“liberal” abuses to non-liberals.

D. are you really that bitter and broken of a person you can’t comprehend what was said? The fact is what I said was simply the truth. Reagan ushered the era of neo-liberal economics in as part of the Reagan revolution. Conservatives signed on in droves. You told us “Most of those policies (except perhaps 6 and 16) are not virtuous, they are not the values of people fair-minded people that cherish a basic philosophy of “live-and-let-live”, and for once you were right. Yet it is capitalism today and has been capitalism since the 80’s in America. These policies were developed based upon the right wing Chamber of Commerce.

I’m sorry if this bursts your bubble and you realize your conservative leaders have pulled the wool over your eyes. But that is the truth. But remember it wasn’t just the conservatives it was the dems as well….Bill Clinton was instrumental in this. So when you try to attribute Neo-liberalism to only the liberals you could not be more wrong.


Your understand most of us in America are suffering because of this type of system as you have told us “However, that does not change the fact that the U.S. is suffering due to many of those things in the list above, to varying degrees.”. Now if you can take off your partisan blinders and realize your team were the main culprits, well that would be a major step forward.

The reason you see the younger generation that lean right moving towards right wing populism and you see those than lean left moving towards left wing populism, as they seek answers you can understand why. If you guys continue to bury your heads in the sand and come up only to throw stones at AO-C and Sanders you will find capitalism as an economic system becoming less and less popular.

The answer of course is to get rid of Neo-liberalism and return to a more inclusive system of economics in this country.

All j2t2, open-borders phx8, and Ed O’hrealy (who [Ed] doesn’t always agree with j2t2) have is each other.

D., how sad. These are the words of a hateful fearful bitter man. Look guy, instead of refusing to look at this revelation as partisan BS take some time to find out I’m telling the truth here. You will feel better for it and you will be a better person because of it. Remember Neo-liberal capitalism is just one form of capitalism, there are others. No one here on WB is saying throw the whole thing out.

I know this started with Royal wanting to discuss Socialism, and it does, IMHO. Neo-Liberal capitalism is the reason many are looking to other economic systems. Just like the people in Europe did in the early to mid 20th century. The reason other forms of economics have gotten attention lately is because of Neo-liberalism IMHO just as the gilded age ushered in the progressive era.

I also understand this is a touchy subject for you guys on the right. Daring to criticize capitalism is a brave step forward and you, D., have taken the first step with your previous comment. So I ask you guys to stop diverting, deflecting, and throwing up the usual red herring, strawman, attack the messenger smokescreens and deal with Neo-liberalism or one day you may be dealing with Socialism.

Weary Reagan didn’t sign NAFTA. Clinton did after GWHB brokered the deal.

Royal, to answer your questions; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

“The social market economy was designed to be a third way between laissez-faire economic liberalism and socialist economics.[5] It was strongly inspired by ordoliberalism,[6] social democratic ideas and the political ideology of Christian democracy, or more generally the tradition of Christian ethics.”

“The “social” segment is often wrongly confused with socialism and democratic socialism and although aspects were inspired by the latter the social market approach rejects the socialist ideas of replacing private property and markets with social ownership and economic planning. The “social” element to the model instead refers to support for the provision of equal opportunity and protection of those unable to enter the free market labor force because of old-age, disability, or unemployment.[9]”

Royal perhaps you should discuss your “Reading the seventeen points listed by j2t2 was interesting. None were factual, and merely expressed some variation on the Socialist themes developed by Marx.”. He seems to disagree as do I. Understand that these 17 points are in fact capitalism as practiced in America today. Now perhaps Marx as he criticized capitalism said some of these things, I don’t know. But lets not discount them just because Marx said them. If you are a supporter of this type of capitalism, say so and defend it on it’s merit’s.

Royal, It seems you are saying our economic system is actually socialism.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 6, 2019 12:58 PM
Comment #439336

Royal perhaps you should discuss your “Reading the seventeen points listed by j2t2 was interesting. None were factual, and merely expressed some variation on the Socialist themes developed by Marx.”with D.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 6, 2019 1:16 PM
Comment #439337

It has been difficult to determine what j2t2 believes. He wrote; “Shareholders own all capital.”

Please tell us j2t2, without all the BS, is this your position?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 6, 2019 1:54 PM
Comment #439345

Technically you’re correct, j2t2, but it was Reagan’s brainchild and he laid the groundwork for Bush’s achievements. If Clinton bastardized it in some way, maybe that’s why we have Trump in the White House right now.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 6, 2019 6:15 PM
Comment #439394
j2t2 wrote: Blah, blah, blah, … , blah, blah, … , D., how sad. These are the words of a hateful fearful bitter man.
j2t2 continually writes nasty, racist, hateful comments such as these, and claims others (who disagree with him) are “hateful”, “hypocrites”, and have “no decency”.
Nothing hypocritical about that, eh?
It is deeply revealing that j2t2 and similar ilk could possibly fail to recognize that they are the epitome of hypocrisy.
j2t2 is clearly angry about it, but fails to recognize that no one needs to help make j2t2 look foolish, hateful, nasty, and racist, because j2t2’s own comments accomplish that beyond a shadow of a doubt (which j2t2 claims to be “proud” of, and calls his “Words of Wisdom”).

Many thanks to j2t2 for being the gift that keeps on giving, and for never understanding how useful he is to those he hates, and how detrimental he is the party he supposedly supports. Please keep up the great work!

Posted by: d.a.n at March 7, 2019 11:18 AM
Comment #439396
j2t2 wrote: Royal, perhaps you should discuss your “Reading the seventeen points listed by j2t2 was interesting. None were factual, and merely expressed some variation on the Socialist themes developed by Marx.”, with D. [d.a.n]
There’s no need, because there is no disagreement.
Royal Flush is correct when he denies that those 17 “Neo-Liberal” policies are non-liberal and/or capitalist polices.
Those policies are mostly extremist policies, belonging to these two groups of people:
  • Cheater Extreme #1: One extreme wants regressive taxation, unfettered capitalism, monopolies, and the freedom to explore and wallow in almost every manifestation of unchecked greed.
  • Cheater Extreme #2: The other extreme wants a nanny-state, that will wipe their lazy butts for them; where politicians lure citizens into being increasingly dependent on the government; with massive cradle-to-grave government programs (which are usually severely mismanaged; e.g. $70 Billion per year in Medicare fraud; $Trillions borrowed from Social Security; etc.) that nurture a sense of entitlement and dependency on government; wants to grow government ever larger (despite the already current nightmare proportions); rewards failure and laziness; tries to disguise their envy and jealousy as demands for equality; and perpetuates the myth that many things should be free, and that we can somehow all live at the expense of everyone else.
Today, there are more extremist Democrats, who belong to Extreme#1 (as demonstrated here), than there are Republicans that belong to Extreme#2 (because there are regulations to limit/prohibit monopolies and many manifestations of unchecked greed). There’s plenty of blame to go around for what ails the nation, but Democrats are responsible for most of it (not Republicans), because Democrats:
  • (1) sought to continue slavery (source: www.britannica.com/topic/Democratic-Party);
  • (2) created the KKK (source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan);
  • (3) created Jim Crow laws (source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws);
  • (4) and imposed racial segregation (source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats).
and today, not much has changed, because the Democrats are now:
  • (01) despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes, by pandering to illegal immigrants for 30+ years, for more votes (via more representation in the House, via more U.S. House representatives, via apportionment of representatives (and more electoral votes, and more federal funding), based on population, based on the decennial CENSUS, which does NOT verify U.S. citizenship);
  • (02) fighting against a [x]citizenship check-box on decennial CENSUS;
  • (03) lying about level of crime by illegal immigrants, and refuse to report 2,000 homicides per year by criminal non-citizens (source: DHS, GAO, cis.org, site2data.com/homicides1.html);
  • (04) lying about the cost of massive illegal (and legal) immigration (about $300 Billion per year in net losses; sources: www.washingtontimes.com ; www.youtube.com/watch?v=msGVs4lFDw4 );
  • (05) calling for open borders;
  • (06) calling for the abolishment of I.C.E.;
  • (07) calling for another amnesty, like the shamnesty of 1986, which quintupled the severity of the problem;
  • (08) refusing requirement for employers to use eVerify;
  • (09) giving illegal immigrants drivers’ licenses, and also automatically register them to vote at the same time; and then Democrats ignore many tens of thousands of instances of voter fraud by illegal immigrants (source: site2data.com/voting1.html);
  • (10) wanting more mayors like Libby Schaaf, who warns illegal immigrants before an ICE raid to arrest criminal illegal immigrants;
  • (11) wanting more sanctuary cities and states, where Democrats (and A.G. Xavier Becerra) passed sanctuary city and state laws that protect criminal non-citizens (e.g. an illegal immigrant, Garcia Zarate (already deported 5 times) can shoot and murder Kate Steinle, and be acquitted for that murder);
  • (12) calling to abolish or restrict 2nd Amendment rights, and say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”, but conveniently ignore 2,000 homicides per year by criminal non-citizens (source: site2data.com/homicides1.html);
So, your comment is wishful thinking, and a lame attempt to pit me and Royal Flush against each other. It ain’t gonna happen.

Again, many thanks to j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy for being the gifts that keep on giving. Seriously, keep up the good work!

Posted by: d.a.n at March 7, 2019 12:03 PM
Comment #439397

Not to mention the following:
U.S. federal officials convicted of corruption offenses: 60% are Democrats.
Voter fraud convictions: 81% are Democrats (Voter Fraud database [1979 to 2018]).
And today, Democrats (despicably) pretend there is no crisis at the border.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 7, 2019 12:05 PM
Comment #439398

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