The Five Eyes Tried to Infiltrate Trump's Campaign

Michael Flynn has been waiting for just over a year to be sentenced. This after pleading guilty to a ridiculous charge that not even the FBI felt was a case of lying. The FBI were sent in by the outgoing Obama administration because of a grudge against Flynn’s positions when he was part of President Obama’s intel leadership as Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency from 2012 to 2014 when he was let go for reasons that are still not really clear despite an NYT article last March that went on about a Russian woman and the possibility that Flynn was compromised. That leak came out earlier this year. Nearly 4 years after Flynn was fired. Nor did Comey feel that Flynn had lied to the FBI investigators, apparently.

Until Comey was fired and Rosenstein appointed Mueller.

Then everything changed and suddenly what occurs during every transition period - the incoming administration has confidential meetings with diplomats and other officials in the weeks leading up to their officially moving into the White House - was criminalized in order to squeeze Flynn to testify and hopefully provide some sort of evidence, anything please, that might support the theoretical collusion between Trump's campaign team and the Russian government.

General Flynn reportedly gave testimony on 19 separate occasions to Mueller's prosecutors. What did he talk about? We don't know. This matters because now Mueller has asked that he not serve any time because of this service to the country and because of his use as a witness.

Witness to what events?

James Comey is due to testify in private to Congress, a testimony he wanted to do in public. But which Congress refused. Trump has said he will release more documents regarding the FBI and the Mueller probes and the tactics they used to gather information on Trump's campaign. He hasn't. Why?

The Hill's John Solomon, a rigorous investigative reporter, has apparently confirmed through careful reading of interviews and a review of court records that over half-a-dozen intel assets tried to infiltrate the Trump campaign. Elizabeth Vaughn wrote for RedState:

Investigative Reporter John Solomon has confirmed that at least six informants with long-established associations to the FBI or to US or Western (British and Australian) intelligence and two Russians made contact with Trump business and campaign officials between March and October 2016. Solomon said the informants told Trump associates "they had possible political dirt or stolen emails harmful to Hillary Clinton, or unsolicited business in London or Moscow." Solomon obtained this information by conducting over 50 interviews with witnesses and by reviewing court records.

It's noteworthy that "several of the contacts occurred before the FBI formally launched a legally authorized probe into the Trump campaign and possible collusion on July 31, 2016." This is especially significant because the FBI or the intelligence agency involved may one day be called upon to explain the reason for the contact. Or maybe that's too much to hope for.

The names of most of the individuals contacted are familiar: Donald Trump Jr., Michael Cohen, Roger Stone, Carter Page, Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos, Sam Clovis and General Michael Flynn.

Solomon's new information indicates that at least four additional, previously unknown spies tried to infiltrate the Trump campaign or his inner circle of business associates.

We've known that the informants included Professor Stefan Halper, Russian businessman Hank Greenberg, former MI6 agent Christopher Steele and former FBI informer Felix Sater. But Solomon was able to uncover at least four others whose names have not been made public. He said he was asked by US government officials not to reveal their names to "avoid compromising their identities or nexus to intelligence and law enforcement work."

The key to Congress demanding a closed-door session for Comey and President Trump refusing to release what he had promised to release is that some of these intel assets that tried to infiltrate the campaign were or do still work for the British and Australian intelligence services. And that clears up a lot of doubt, especially around the Australian diplomat and George Papadopoulos infamous meeting at a pub in London around April of 2016. We have more than just that little pommie prick from MI6 Christopher Steele involved here. We have active members of British and Australian spy agencies trying to entrap Trump's campaign.

No wonder no one really wants to talk about this. It gives a whole new meaning to the Five Eyes Alliance, doesn't it?

Let's see what gets released from Comey's testimony. That would be a start.

Posted by Keeley at December 5, 2018 7:02 PM
Comments
Comment #435334

Thanks Keeley

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 5, 2018 7:15 PM
Comment #435349

Seriously, “Keeley”, your “article” sounds like the drunken ravings of Jeanine Pirro. Quit pandering to the low information people who spend their days and nights here. That’s only going to keep things the way they are.

Also, very seriously, these long posts of D need to be deleted as soon as yesterday, last week, or last month.

Maria Butina will be making a plea deal soon. Jail is very boring, even for a heroine of russia and their reich wing pawns here.

Posted by: ohrealy at December 6, 2018 12:23 PM
Comment #435350

Always interesting to see a conservative take the side of the Russians against our allies, the UK & Australia. It seems conservatives now prefer the version of events provided by our adversaries, and side those who promote the values of freedom, liberty, and human rights.

It is truly remarkable to see a conservative side with Putin against someone like Christopher Steele. Conservatives have sided with Trump against US, British, and Australian counter-intelligence repeatedly, and cheered when Trump fired Comey and almost everyone involved with Russian counterintelligence at the top of the FBI and DOJ.

It is always hard to know what version of events is current among Trump supporters. At times, Obama and the US IC are faulted for not doing enough about the Russian cyber attacks and infiltration of the GOP & the Trump campaign. At other times, Obama and the US IC doing anything whatsoever is denounced.

Not one of all those Trump campaign crooks and traitors reported Russian efforts to infiltrate the Trump campaign to the FBI. How many contacts are we up to now? Dozens? And not one- NOT ONE- member of the campaign reported it.

Not only that, in almost every case, Trump and his crooks and traitors LIED about the contacts. They lied to the American public. Again and again, they lied to the FBI, and tried to conceal it.

Why all the lies?

Posted by: phx8 at December 6, 2018 12:37 PM
Comment #435351

Well said phx8 and a shining example of the cognitive dissonance we see so much of in our right-wing friends here on WB.

The answer to why “conservatives” would side with Russia instead of our allies is Trump.

The answer to your other question, “why all the lies” ?
Because without lies they have nothing.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 6, 2018 3:02 PM
Comment #435352

j2t2,
They do not share American values, or at least what most of us would consider to be American values. They do not particularly care about freedom or liberty or human rights. The emoluments clause? Pfft. The Due Process of the 5th amendment? Meh. Free press? The enemy of the people! There is really only one thing about Trump they like, and that is the rock bottom motivator. It is at the heart of the deplorable Trump supporters.

They will forgive Trump almost anything. The cult of personality will keep the deplorables in the fold as long as Trump brings the hatred for immigrants, legal and illegal.

Trump ran as a Birther in the 2012 campaign. Trump knew his audience. In polls during the Obama administration, about 50% of the GOP believed in Birtherism, and that Obama was a Muslim. Really racist, bigoted stuff. That was his audience then. In 2016, Trump found a better way to appeal to the darkest parts of the American character. Yet GOP hatred and tribal separatism needed a boost, and that boost came in the form of Russian interference with the 2016 election.

Well, tomorrow we find out more about Cohen and Manafort. It appears more and more likely that Manafort, the 2016 Trump Campaign Manager, was a Russian spy.

Carter Page was either a Russian spy or a Russian asset. Yeah, even the Russians thought Page was an idiot, but after all is said and done, not every spy is freakin’ James Bond.

Posted by: phx8 at December 6, 2018 4:30 PM
Comment #435353
phx8 wrote: Well, tomorrow we find out more about Cohen and Manafort. It appears more and more likely that Manafort, the 2016 Trump Campaign Manager, was a Russian spy.
ohrealy wrote: Maria Butina will be making a plea deal soon.
j2t2 wrote: Because without lies they have nothing.
ohrealy, j2t2, and phx8, we keep seeing, almost weekly, that the “B I G NEWS” is about to be released soon that proves that there was obstruction and/or “collusion” between Trump and Russia.
Where is the evidence of “collusion” or “obstruction” by Trump? Bob Woodward said in an interview with Hugh Hewitt that in his two years of investigating for his new book, “Fear”, he found no evidence of collusion or espionage between Trump and Russia.
Woodward said he looked for it “hard” and yet turned up nothing.

Is this the week for the “B I G NEWS”?
After many tens of million$ of dollar$ spent by Mueller and his army of investigators (most, if not all Democrats), partisans in the DOJ, FBI, and IRS, Bob Woodward, and many others, who have searched for 2 years for collusion and obstruction, and the IRS auditing Trump’s taxes for 16 years, here’s what Mueller has (of which 5 were former advisors to Trump):

  • (1) Paul Manafort (tax evasion, bank fraud);
  • (2) Michael Cohen (tax fraud & campaign finance violation);
  • (3) Michael Flynn (perjury);
  • (4) Rick Gates (tax fraud);
  • (5) George Papadopoulos (perjury; 14 days in jail);
  • (6) Richard Pinedo (identity theft; 6 months in jail);
  • (7) Konstatin Kilimnik (obstruction);
  • (8) Alex Van Der Zwaan (perjury; 30 days in jail)
  • (9) 13 Russian nationals, 12 Russian GRU officers, and 3 Russian companies;
What will the three stooges do when their dream does not come true?

Posted by: d.a.n at December 6, 2018 4:54 PM
Comment #435354

..and in a couple more years you’ll prove it, right?

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 6, 2018 4:58 PM
Comment #435355

d.a.n. the “three stooges” you mention are truly troubled people. We hear weekly from them that the “hammer” is about to fall on the head of President Trump.

No hammer, not even a feather.

I have decided that I will no longer post comments to their same old scenario of gloom and doom. Mueller is wrapping up his investigation and there will be nothing of note dealing with the president.

The fun will begin soon with investigation of some in the justice department.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 6, 2018 5:42 PM
Comment #435358

Yeah, and there is a LOT that can be investigated:

  • (1) Loretta Lynch was corrupt and protected Hillary, Obama, Lois Lerner, etc.
    Loretta Lynch met with Bill Clinton in Phoenix (29-JUN-2016) to let the Clintons know that she [Lynch] and Comey know that the “fix was in” for Hillary for the 2016 election.
  • (2) It was later proven on 5-AUG-2017 that the meeting was “planned”.
    Crooked Lorreta Lynch used an alias email name of “Elizabeth Carlisle” in the letter to Bill Clinton about the meeting in Phoenix on 29-JUN-2016. The public exoneration statements for Hillary were created before the meeting between Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton.
    Peter Strzok was involved in editing and softening the Comey exoneration draft statement, and texts between Strzok and Lisa Page indicate that Loretta Lynch knew in advance that the “fix was in for” Hillary, who would be exonerated by “Leaker” Comey.
  • (3) James Comey protected Hillary and put the fix in for Hillary’s exoneration, despite Hillary violating several laws.
  • (4) Obama White House was behind the spying on Trump and the Investigation that led to the Justice Department and FBI treating Trump’s campaign like a criminal enterprise, and inserted a spy (Stenan Halper) into the Trump campaign, and tapped their phones (more of a political hit, than an actual investigation into Russian interference in the election).
    The FBI also used the fake Steele Dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC, to apply to the FISA court for wire taps. The FBI broke its own rules, and worse. The Obama DOJ whitheld the fact from the FISA court that the DNC was responsible for the Steele doessier.
    Source: www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-behind-trump-investigation/
  • (5) more violations
  • (6) more lies and violations
Had Obama and his administration been investigated over the last two years, the violations would have been far more serious than those found by Mueller so far (which have nothing to do with collusion between Trump and Russia).

Posted by: d.a.n at December 6, 2018 6:14 PM
Comment #435359

First, the Mueller Investigation is a criminal probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election and whether there was cooperation between the Trump Campaign and the Russians.

Indicting Russians, naming names, and identifying companies that participated in a cyber attack on the United States of America the is well worth tens of millions of dollars. Don’t you agree?

A Chinese spy committed industrial espionage and fled to China. The US indicted him. The spy was lured to Belgium with the promise of another industrial secret. The Belgians caught him and extradited him to the US. So that is always a possibility with the Russians.

We can not do anything about the Russian spy that worked George Papadopoulos. By lying, Papadopoulos gave the spy an extra two weeks to flee.

Pleading guilty to felonies does not mean there were no other crimes. Plea bargains were not accepted just because the Mueller prosecutors got bored, or thought these people were actually really nice guys. The bargains were made in order to obtain information about other participants and other crimes- information that would stand up in court.

Al Capone, a notorious killer and mob boss, spent the rest of his in prison for tax evasion.

Manafort made a plea bargain and then passed on everything he could about the Mueller team to the Trump team. That is unheard of. Manafort will spend the rest of his life in prison. Obviously Manafort expects a pardon.

From Flynn’s sentencing recommendation, we know there are at least three ongoing investigations: the conspiracy with Russia, a criminal matter, and a third investigation that is completely concealed from the public. Two prosecutors signed the recommendation. One specializes in prosecuting spies and international espionage; the other specializes in those matters involving the Middle East.

The DOJ investigation into Maria Butina is ongoing. She used the NRA to financially penetrate the GOP. She is reportedly negotiating a plea bargain.

In his guilty pleas, Michael Cohen swore under oath that he engaged in a conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws and the direction of, and in coordination with Trump, in order to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. The hush money payments make two potential felonies for impeachment proceedings.

I get the distinct feeling Trump supporters are so misinformed by FOX & Hannity & Limbaugh, that they have no idea what is going on.

By the way, I read the Woodward book. Woodward is a sycophant who is more interested in preserving his sources. He did not interview Trump. He obviously did not issue subpoenas or obtain any information that was not handed to him by his interview subjects. He did the same kind of book for the Bush administration, basically an apologia with some controversial quotes to spice it up.

Posted by: phx8 at December 6, 2018 6:23 PM
Comment #435361

Wow…phx8 is a fountain of speculation.

Please speculate on Hillary clinton’s connection to the Steele dossier.

Please speculate on the false statements made to obtain FISA warrants.

Please speculate on the penalties deserved by the FBI liars and leakers, Comey, Page, Baker, Strzok, Ohr, and Priestap.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 6, 2018 6:48 PM
Comment #435362

The Mueller investigation has cost nothing. He has actually turned a profit on the crooks he has put away so far.

Posted by: Ohrealy at December 6, 2018 6:57 PM
Comment #435377
ohrealy wrote: The Mueller investigation has cost nothing. He has actually turned a profit on the crooks he has put away so far.
Nonsense. How are profits made from convictions?
Will it add up to the $40+ Million the Mueller investigation has cost so far? Not likely.

But, ALL violators should be held accountable.

Hillary was guilty of crimes, beyond a shadow of a doubt. James Comey and Loretta Lynch put the “fix in” for Hillary for the 2016 election. Hillary Clinton, the Clinton Foundation, “Take the Fifth” Lois Lerner, Joseph Grant and others in the IRS, Eric Holder, Lisa Page, Peter Strzok, John Brennan, Bruce Ohr, Clapper, Susan Rice, and several others should also investigated.

Posted by: d.a.n at December 6, 2018 8:06 PM
Comment #435384

“Please speculate on Hillary clinton’s connection to the Steele dossier.”

No. Trump is president, not Hillary. It is 2018. No more whataboutism. Focus.

“Please speculate on the false statements made to obtain FISA warrants.”

Didn’t happen. Why are you siding with the Russian version of events?

“Please speculate on the penalties deserved by the FBI liars and leakers…”

Nope. If any penalties were deserved they would have been handed out already. The DOJ IG already investigated, remember?

Most of those people named are Republicans. Most are involved in Russian counter-intelligence. Why do you insult the top people in Russian counter-intelligence? Those people swore an oath to protect the Constitution. They put their lives on the line for it. Yet you insult them. Why?

Posted by: phx8 at December 6, 2018 10:58 PM
Comment #435435

Trump: First 22 months in office, average 191,000 jobs created per month. That is good.

Obama: Last 22 months in office, average 217,000 jobs/month. That is better.

This is the 98th month of economic expansion. That is good. 22 occurred under Trump. That is very good. 76 months under Obama. That is outstanding.

Stock market performance under Trump is falling far behind Obama. Oh well. Maybe we will see a Santa Claus rally and the equity markets will finish on a bright note.

Projection for GNP: 2.9% this year, 2.7% next. Some economists are predicting recession in 2020. Prognosticators have successfully predicted 10 out of the last 7 recessions. :-)

Posted by: phx8 at December 7, 2018 10:21 AM
Comment #435436
phx8 wrote: Prognosticators have successfully predicted 10 out of the last 7 recessions.
Again, math does not appear to be your strong suit (like when you wrote: 435 in 328 Million is less than 1 in 10 million).
How do you get 10 out of 7 ?
  • Unemployment is lower now.
  • GDP is higher now (has been as high as 4.2%)

Also:

  • better border security; and better immigration enforcement; between October 1, 2010 and July 21, 2015, the Obama administration released 124 criminal aliens who were later charged with murder-related crimes committed in the U.S. after their release; Obama also released many from Gitmo, and they committed more terrorist acts, killing and injuring more people; as of 23-JAN-2017, several Americans have been killed by the released terrorists; the federal government reported that 17.6% (122 individuals) had been “confirmed of re-engaging” in terrorism;
    Source: www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/jan/25/cory-gardner/how-many-released-guantanamo-bay-prisoners-commit-/
  • the push for eVerify (or similar verification process);
  • lower taxes; all persoanl income tax brackets lowered up to 3% ;
  • the push for free trade (to achieve reciprocal and/or zero tariffs, except for industries crucial to national security);
  • allowed the military to do what they do best, and quickly decimate ISIS and terrorists;
  • lowering corporate taxes from 35% to 21% (near the global average of 20%), causing more investment in the U.S.A, etc.;
    Source#1: www.tcpalm.com/story/money/business/2018/06/28/manufacturers-bringing-most-jobs-back-to-america/36438051/ ;
    Source#2 www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2018/01/17/apple-says-it-will-bring-cash-back-to-us-pay-38-billion-in-repatriation-tax/#62baf5592222 ; )

Posted by: d.a.n at December 7, 2018 10:57 AM
Comment #435438

“How do you get 10 out of 7 ?”

That’s a old joke.

Of more concern is the inverting yield curve. That actually is a strong indicator of recession, and that bears watching. Bonds rule the world. Equities receive the attention, but the big money is in bonds, and they are seeing exactly what I predicted when the tax cuts went into effect. A short term boost in the stock markets, almost entirely concentrated in stock buybacks and dividend increases, has been put in place without any increase in demand. Increasing interest rates to cap inflation… no increase in wages… Big increases in the federal deficit and debt…

No need to even attempt predictions about tariffs, since it is completely unpredictable. They could be increased or removed instantly, on a whim.

If the GOP was serious about stimulating the economy in a useful way, they would have spent money on infrastructure, NOT the military, and they would have increased wages for the poor and middle class while taxing the rich.

Instead, the GOP pitted the poor against the poor by trying to convince poor people that other poor people were the problem. The wildly skewed distribution of wealth is NOT due to poor people, immigrants, illegal immigrants, and so on. It is due to tax benefits being provided to the rich, who in turn give huge political donations.

Cue Citizens United!

Aaaaaand… Cue the Russians to make anonymous dark money donations to the GOP, aaaand…

That’s a wrap.

Posted by: phx8 at December 7, 2018 11:51 AM
Comment #435440
phx8 wrote: Instead, the GOP pitted the poor against the poor by trying to convince poor people that other poor people were the problem.
IF you believe that a flat percentage on all types of income is a fair way to tax people, then the current tax system is unfair, because it is actually regressive, which is proven by Mitt Romney’s taxes of 15% on $21 Million, while a person making $40K per year is paying 30% in combined income tax, Social Security, and Medicare taxes, which does not include the matching 7.65% for Social (6.2%) Security and Medicare (1.45%) taxes paid by the employer). IF Democrats are the champions for the lower-to-middle-class workers, then why didn’t Obama and Democrats fix the regressive tax system, instead of raising tax rates for everyone, except the capital gains tax rate?
The following tax rate changes take effect in 2019:
  • 2017 ____ 2019-to-2025___single____________married
  • 10% _____ 10%________ $0-$9,525 _________$0-$19,050
  • 15% _____ 12%________ $9,525-$38,700_____$19,050-$77,400
  • 25% _____ 22%________ $38,700-$82,500____$77,400-$165,000
  • 28% _____ 24%________ $82,500-$157,500___$165,000-$315,000
  • 33% _____ 32%________ $157,500-$200,000__$315,000-$400,000
  • 33%-35% _ 35%________ $200,000-$500,000__$400,000-$600,000
  • 39.6% ____ 37%________ $500,000+ _________$600,000+
It is regressive because (a)maxiumum capital gains tax of 15%, (b)Social Security (6.2%) and Medicare taxes (1.45%) are ONLY on wages (not on capital gains), (c)and there is a cap of $128,400 and $132,900 cap (for 2018 and 2019 respectively) on income subject to Social Security taxes).
Therefore, the U.S. tax-vs-income curve ACTUALLY looks like this (i.e. regressive):
  • CURRENT OVERALL TAX-RATE CURVE (hammers the middle-class; W=Wage Earners; C=Capital Gains Earners):
  • 45% |__________________________________________________________________
  • 40% |___________________W___W_____W_____W____W_________________________
  • 35% |______________W______________________________W____W____W___W___W
  • 30% |_________W________________________________________________________
  • 25% |_____W____________________________________________________________
  • 20% |__W_______________________________________________________________
  • 15% |_WC___C___C____C____C____C____C_____C_____C_____C_____C____C____C
  • 10% |WC_________________________________________________________________
  • 00% |W_80K_160K_240K_320K_400K_480K_…1+ Million __ $INCOME (including S.S. & Medicare taxes on Wages)
However, as for people being “pitted” against each other, the Democrats are the most despicable for pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes, by pandering to illegal immigrants for votes (via more representation in the House, via more U.S. House representatives, via apportionment of representatives (and electoral votes), based on population, based on the decenial CENSUS, which does not verify U.S. citizenship. Democrats are fighting against a check-box on the CENSUS, despite the check-box being totally inadequate to prove citizenship. Democrats disguise their desire for power for THEIR party as compassion for illegal immigrants, while despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes;

Also, Democrats and many on the left call for abolishing the 2nd amendment, or restricting 2nd amendment rights, and say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”, but ignore the U.S. citizens (4,177 killed per year) in the U.S. by 249,000 (only a portion of of 364,950 in a study group) illegal immigrants in 5 states (source: GAO Report GAO-11-187: www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-187).
GAO Report GAO-11-187:

  • Average number of criminal offenses per illegal immigrant: 13 ;
  • Average number of arrests per illegal immigrant: 7 ;
  • In 2011, the U.S. GAO published GAO-11-187 Report for a study of 249,000 non-citizens in U.S. prisons and jails during 6 years from 2003–2009.
  • The study represented a portion [about 68% of a total of about 364,950 illegal immigrants in state prisons, local jails, and federal prisons in year 2010] in 5 states (Arizona, California, Florida, New York, and Texas).
  • The study found that these illegal immigrants had been arrested for the following violent and drug crimes committed within the U.S.:
    • 25,064 homicides (most were in New York; NOTE: 25,064 homicides / 6 years = 4,177 homicides per year for 5 states for a study group of 249,000 (of a total of 364,950 illegal immigrants; extrapolating, that is 4,177 / (249,000/364,950) = 6,122 homicides per year for 5 states);
    • 69,929 s*x offenses.
    • 94,492 weapons violations.
    • 213,047 assaults.
    • 504,043 drug crimes.
    • After year 2007, homicides exceeded drug-related convictions in New York;
    • Sources: www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-187 , www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf; compare that to all 17,250 homicides in the U.S. in year 2016, and 4,177 homicides per year for a study group of 249,000 (only for 68% of all 364,950 illegal immigrants in state prisons, local jails, and federal jails); as of year 2017, 32% of all persons in federal prison are illegal immigrants (Source: cis.org/Huennekens/32-Federal-Inmates-Are-Aliens ).

Posted by: d.a.n at December 7, 2018 1:47 PM
Comment #435443
phx8 wrote: I get the distinct feeling Trump supporters are so misinformed by FOX & Hannity & Limbaugh, that they have no idea what is going on.
I watch or listen to many Main Stream Media sources (ABC, Al Jazeera, BBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, The New Yorker, Huffington, Washington Post, Politico, PBS, New York Times, Colbert, NPR, USA Today, FOX NEWS, Drudge, etc.).

phx8, j2t2, and ohrealy appear to be getting most of their news from Rachel Maddow, CNN, MSNBC, or the Three Stooges on Looney Toons, since they mostly parrot whatever Rachel Madcow, Don Lemon, and Lawrence O’Donnell say. And Jim Acosta must be their hero.

Posted by: d.a.n at December 7, 2018 2:21 PM
Comment #435445

“If the GOP was serious about stimulating the economy in a useful way, they would have spent money on infrastructure, NOT the military, and they would have increased wages for the poor and middle class while taxing the rich.”

phx8 is reliably socialistic and/or communistic in his comments.

Reduce our military to bare bones so we can be blackmailed by all the tyrants around the world.

Government should determine wages, not supply and demand in a capitalistic system.

Follow Europe into chaos as a direct result of their socialism.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 7, 2018 3:19 PM
Comment #435451

“Reduce our military to bare bones so we can be blackmailed by all the tyrants around the world.”

Most of the world has already concluded they don’t need a big military, when all they have to do is compromise Trump & Kushner, just like the Saudis did. For the price of a F-35 the Russians interfered with our election and put their candidate into office, and did more to promote their interests than decades of military spending every accomplished.

And all that spending on the US military did not do us one bit of good because the Russians figured out how to put a traitor in the White House.

Posted by: phx8 at December 7, 2018 4:48 PM
Comment #435452

Hmmm…reading phx8’s comments directly above leads me to believe he is unhappy with our president. Perhaps I misread his meaning.

His discontent has lead to disillusionary statements about our need to be militarily prepared in the face of growing military threats from China and Russia. We hope that our Pal phx8 becomes more aware of the world, and less concerned with radical politics.

We are thankful that President Trump persuaded our NATO allies to live up to their military commitment in the face of powerful adversaries.

There is not a single sane person on the planet that doesn’t know that peace comes from strength. OH…WAIT; there may be one or two exceptions.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 7, 2018 5:04 PM
Comment #435454
phx8 wrote: For the price of a F-35 the Russians interfered with our election and put their candidate into office, and did more to promote their interests than decades of military spending every accomplished. And all that spending on the US military did not do us one bit of good because the Russians figured out how to put a traitor in the White House.
  • How many votes did the Russians change in any U.S. our elections?
  • How was Trump compromised by the Saudis?
    • After all, the CIA said it has “medium-to-high confidence” that the crown prince “personally targeted” Khashoggi and “probably ordered his death,” the Wall Street Journal reported, citing the agency’s assessment. “To be clear, we [CIA] lack direct reporting of the Crown Prince issuing a kill order,” the CIA assessment read, according to the Wall Street Journal.
  • What exactly did Trump do that is treason? Where is the evidence of treason?
  • How is buying the Steele Dossier (full of lies) from a foreign agent not a crime for collusion with a foreign agent?
Posted by: d.a.n at December 7, 2018 6:17 PM
Comment #435455

Obviously, phx8, j2t2, and ohrealy don’t care what anyone on Watchblog thinks them (i.e. the Three Stooges).
But one thing is pretty damn clear … they are worse than Looney Toons. When they aren’t playing the race-card at every chance possible, they are parroting one or more of Rachel Madcow’s many nutty, unproven theories.

ohrealy, j2t2, and phx8, we keep seeing, almost weekly, that the “B I G NEWS” is about to be released soon that proves that there was obstruction and/or “collusion” between Trump and Russia.
Where is the evidence of “collusion” or “obstruction” by Trump?

Posted by: d.a.n at December 7, 2018 6:43 PM
Comment #435456

The “unholy three” that d.a.n. mentions fit well in the progressive wing of the Democrat Party. This tiny slice of the American electorate is wagging the party tail right now.

However, if one paid close attention to the majority of Democrats who won seats in the HOR formerly occupied by Republicans, one would notice campaigns that were middle-of-the road and leaning Conservative. Only a handful of winners were of the “unholy three” caliber.

If any of these “unholy three” would be honest with us, we would be pleased to read their comments on what kind of candidate they expect the party to nominate for president.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 7, 2018 7:21 PM
Comment #435459

Ignoring all the other investigations for the moment and concentrating on just one aspect of Trump, I have a question:

Should Trump be impeached?

No one seems to be addressing this right now. Trump has been credibly accused of committing two felonies. He violated a Campaign finance twice by secretly paying hush money to a p*rn star and a playboy model shortly before the 2016 election, in order to influence the outcome of the election. Michael Cohen attested to this under oath. Today the SDNY echoed the same language used by Cohen, saying the crime took place ‘at the direction of, and in coordination with’ Trump, ‘in order to influence the outcome of the election.’

Trump, AKA David Dennison, AKA Individual 1, committed a felony. No one is disputing this.

Ignoring everything else- the Russian investigation, and so on- does this crime meet the standards for impeachment? Ignoring everything else, should the House and Senate remove him from office?

Posted by: phx8 at December 7, 2018 9:56 PM
Comment #435461

Phx8, I suggest you read the campaign finance law. There was no crime because you are allowed to use an UNLIMITED amount of YOUR OWN MONEY in a campaign. You are going to end up with egg on your face again because we again have a big NOTHING BURGER.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at December 8, 2018 1:29 AM
Comment #435470

KAP,
The prosecutor for the Southern District of New York has accused Individual 1, i.e., Trump, of a felony. Trump’s personal lawyer has already pleaded guilty. Both the sentencing memo and Cohen’s plea specify Cohen did it “at the direction of, and in coordination with” Trump, in order to influence the 2016 election.

Both Trump and Cohen concealed the payment. They failed to declare it. That is the felony. If revealing the payment had been made public just weeks or days before the election, it could have changed the outcome. So it is definitely a crime. A felony.

The question is this: what, if anything, should we do? Indict the President, AKA Individual 1? Ignore it? Put it off for a while? Is the harm done to the country by an impeachment more damaging than the original felony? Is ignoring a felony committed by the president- done in order to achieve power- something we can live with?

Are you going to opt for denial? I think a lot of people will, especially Trump supporters.

Posted by: phx8 at December 8, 2018 11:04 AM
Comment #435471

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

Let’s apply the same standard used in this case of campaign finance.

Let’s just have

Ninety-four people either refused to be questioned, pled the Fifth Amendment, or left the country altogether.

Then the matter can be ignored altogether.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 8, 2018 11:16 AM
Comment #435475


Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations.
Cohen broke the law.
The problem for Cohen is that he must prove that Trump told him to falsify FEC reports, because that is the campaign finance violation that Cohen confessed to.
IF Trump was guilty, that still would not clear Cohen of the crime.

Cohen recorded some meetings with Trump.
Did Cohen make an audio or video that proves Trump instructed him [Cohen] not to disclose certain contributions on any FEC reporting? Not likely.

Failure to report contributions to the FEC is the crime at issue, and it is a fairly common crime, and generally subject only to a misdemeanor fine, and not a felony or a “high crime” that would serve as basis for impeachment. Obama’s campaign in 2008 also had FEC violations, which were all subsequently settled with a $375,000 fine.

And where is the evidence of “collusion” between Trump and the Russians?

Posted by: d.a.n at December 8, 2018 1:39 PM
Comment #435480

I listened to a talk radio host discuss, for about 10 minutes, what he called Trump’s non-crime (collusion). For the entire time he went on and on how it wasn’t even a crime. About half way through this diatribe he offers one sentence about FBI agents under investigation and then goes right back to the Trump non-crime again.

I called in, but hit a dead spot, so I didn’t get to ask the guy why he was spending all his time talking about a non-crime and barely mention actual investigations going forward. Too bad I couldn’t get an answer, but I think I made my point before losing the connection because he devoted his next 10 minutes on the Hillbilly investigation.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 8, 2018 1:54 PM
Comment #435481
Ignoring all the other investigations for the moment…

Are you referring to ignoring this investigation?

This is MSNBC so I know the left here on WatchBlog knows about the investigation. I’ve seen comments multiple times about how some things should be ignored i.e. “Hillary isn’t president.” What are they afraid of?

Let’s talk about Hillbilly’s investigation as much as we talk about Trump’s investigation. Let’s call it equal time.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 8, 2018 2:41 PM
Comment #435483

phx8, Paying hush money during a campaign is, as I have searched the law and articles about it, in the real murky part of the law. Hart was charged with the same thing and the charges were dismissed or he was found not guilty. Obama paid a 1/3 million dollar fine for his violation in 2008, Clinton and probably every President have done some campaign finance violation along with 535 people of congress. All the Lawyers and a few were of the liberal and Democrat persuasion said that NO LAW was broken so by that they even say Cohen pleaded guilty to a crime that wasn’t a crime. The lawyers even say that paying hush money with YOUR OWN money is permissible. But I listen to some of the IDIOTS of MSNBC and CNN and all of them were getting a thrill running down their legs over what the S.D. N. Y. is trying to pull but will also blow up in their face.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at December 8, 2018 3:02 PM
Comment #435484

by the way phx8, it was probably Mueller forcing Cohen to plead guilty to a crime.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at December 8, 2018 3:05 PM
Comment #435485

Also, IF Trump wanted to pay hush money to anyone, that is not illegal, and it does not have to go through the FEC campaign finance funding, which requires disclosure on FEC reporting if it comes from campaign funds. So, why would Trump make payments through campaign finance funds? It makes no sense. It is more likely that Cohen did all by himself, because he didn’t want to use his own money, and he did not think it would be discovered.

Posted by: d.a.n at December 8, 2018 4:23 PM
Comment #435488

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the facts surrounding this situation. Part of the misunderstanding is due to the changing stories provided by Cohen and Trump.

First, the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony violation of campaign finance law depends on whether the crime was committed wittingly and knowingly. The Obama campaign committed a violation by not declaring large contributions by a deadline. The existence of the contributions was public knowledge, but they failed to file the paperwork in time, and that resulted in a huge fine on a misdemeanor charge. No one was concealing anything.

Second, the Trump campaign gave many explanations for the hush money payment. At first, Trump denied it, and he used an alias to conceal his identity on an NDA- David Dennison. Trump demonstrated consciousness of guilt. Initially, Cohen claimed he made the payments out of his own pocket. It turned out Trump paid Cohen in the form of an exorbitant $35,000/month retainer. Cohen did virtually nothing for Trump or his other two clients, another RNC deputy finance manager who resigned in the scandal, and Sean Hannity. This gets even more complicated because of the roles of David Pecker and Trump’s CEO, but let’s focus on the big question and what we know for sure.

Trump KNOWINGLY and WITTINGLY made payments to Cohen, who then arranged for them to reach the subjects, in order to influence the outcome of the election. That is a felony.

Cohen has pleaded guilty to nine felonies to date. No one can make a witness plead guilty and serve a five year sentence. And even Cohen wanted to do that, no judge would ever go along with that, never mind what would happen in an appeal.

Obviously none of us know the entire story. Much remains redacted. There are supposedly recordings. There is a paper trail. But we do know that a federal prosecutor has named Individual 1- Trump- and accused him of committing a felony, namely, directing and coordinating this whole thing with the intention of influencing the election.

To recap:
A federal prosecutor has accused Trump of committing a felony.

So far, no conservatives seem to think this warrants impeachment.

Posted by: phx8 at December 8, 2018 5:45 PM
Comment #435489

“Trump, AKA David Dennison, AKA Individual 1, committed a felony. No one is disputing this.”

phx8 excels at making me smile. Here he is, once again, flinging himself into a news story with great gusto and expectations.

We have all seen phx8 do this time after time; we warned him about jumping to conclusions, and yet; here he goes again…having learned nothing.

We all know the name for it. When someone continues to do the same exact thing, expecting different results!

Sorry phx8, no excitement here.

The Mueller team has not come up with a single charge against this president. This team has not found a single incidence of anyone on the Trump campaign team guilty of collusion with Russians. This team has not found a single vote that was changed because of the Russians. What this team has found are a few men who broke the law in matters totally unrelated to the campaign.

Our anxious Pal phx8 proceeds to “moon” us with this comment; “Is ignoring a felony committed by the president- done in order to achieve power- something we can live with?”

Wow…how subtle, how original, how patriotic, how simply silly.

pxh8 sounds so very grave and pretentious. Why, the country, our very existence, depends upon a successful impeachment and public hanging.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 8, 2018 5:58 PM
Comment #435490

And a federal prosecutor is going to look stupid when he tries for an indictment phx8.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at December 8, 2018 6:37 PM
Comment #435491

Just to be clear, the federal prosecutor charging Individual 1 with a felony comes from the SDNY. This has nothing to do with Russia. The charge did NOT come from the Mueller investigation.

Quoting from the indictment:

“First, Cohen’s commission of two campaign finance crimes on the eve of the 2016 election for President of the United States struck a blow to one of the core goals of the federal campaign finance laws: transparency. While many Americans who desired a particular outcome to the election knocked on doors, toiled at phone banks, or found any number of other legal ways to make their voices heard, Cohen sought to influence the election from the shadows. He did so by orchestrating secret and illegal payments to silence two women who otherwise would have made public their alleged extramarital affairs with Individual-1.”

This section should help clear up the confusion about the money and its source:

“Moreover, not only was Cohen well aware of what he was doing, but he used sophisticated tactics to conceal his misconduct. He arranged one of the payments through a media company and disguised it as a services contract, and executed the second non-disclosure agreement with aliases and routed the six-figure payment through a shell corporation. After the election, he arranged for his own reimbursement via fraudulent invoices for non-existent legal services ostensibly performed pursuant to a non-existent “retainer” agreement. And even when public reports of the payments began to surface, Cohen told shifting and misleading stories about the nature of the payment, his coordination with the candidate, and the fact that he was reimbursed.”

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/sdny-cohen.pdf

Here is the sentencing memo. It is absolutely damning for Cohen, and this primary source should clear up any questions about whether Trump committed a felony. He did.

Does it meet the standard of “high crimes and misdemeanors”?

Posted by: phx8 at December 8, 2018 7:02 PM
Comment #435492

KAP,
The prosecutor may never issue an indictment. There is a question of whether a sitting president can be indicted in the first place. (I think a president must be subject to indictment). So the question is whether the House and Senate will act to impeach for this felony.

Read the indictment. It is long, but worth going through.

Posted by: phx8 at December 8, 2018 7:08 PM
Comment #435493

OK phx8, we got it. You have written that Trump committed a felony. You believe it. You are absolutely certain of it. We must believe it too. The HOR must impeach. The Senate must find the accused guilty.

Don’t you even read the comments you place withing quotation marks? For example; “…he (Cohen) arranged for his own reimbursement…”

Tell us phx8, what does that mean?

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 8, 2018 7:15 PM
Comment #435494

Did I miss something? Like a trial? Every time someone mentions Cowen they’re talking about his sentence. I thought they discussed sentences after a guilty verdict, not during the investigation.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 8, 2018 7:23 PM
Comment #435495

I misspelled his name, it’s Cohen.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 8, 2018 7:24 PM
Comment #435496

Phx8, first off whoever the prosecutor is, is an idiot to even come up with a felony remark. Harvard law professors have said no crime was committed even the liberal Democrat stated that.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at December 8, 2018 8:18 PM
Comment #435497

Funny how the Three Stooges get so excited every week, when CNN and MSNBC report (again and again) that the end is near for Trump.
They want that so, so, so badly, and say there is proof, but where is that proof? The investigations may find something someday (or decades from now, at this rate).

However, so far, it has only been proven that Cohen violated campaign finance laws, and pleaded guilty for it.

There is still no proof that Trump violated any law, and Cohen’s word alone is not sufficient evidence; especially when Cohen has already been caught in lies that raise credibility issues, and since Cohen is essentially being pressured (or bribed in a way) to produce something for Mueller in return for a lighter sentence for himself (i.e. Cohen).

Unless there is credible evidence that Trump committed a crime serious enough to be impeached, the Senate is not likely to go along, regardless of what the vote is in the House.

And again, there is still no evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians.

Posted by: d.a.n at December 8, 2018 11:11 PM
Comment #435502

What campaign finance laws were broken? From what I hear he paid a hooker off with Trump’s money. So what?

I think we have Trump, using his own money, mixed up with a politician (broke) using someone else’s money.

What campaign laws were broken?

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 9, 2018 10:39 AM
Comment #435508
Weary Willie wrote: What campaign laws were broken?
Some lawyers are saying Cohen did not violate any campaign finance laws.

However, Cohen pleaded guilty to using 1 count of willfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and 1 count of making an excessive campaign contribution (i.e. campaign finance violations), in which Cohen could get 46 months to 65 years in prison.

While there may be an audio recording of Trump discussing payments, there is, thus far, no proof that Trump instructed Cohen to violate any campaign finance laws, and it makes no sense for Trump to use campaign funds for hush money, since all campaign funding has to be reported to the FEC. Cohen pleaded guilty to 5 counts of tax evasion, 1 count of making false statements to a financial institution, 1 count of willfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and 1 count of making an excessive campaign contribution.

Cohen pleaded guilty to tax evasion by underreporting his income by $4.1 million for the years 2012 and 2016, of which: $2.5 million was interest payments from a personal loan; $1.3 million was income from his taxi medallion business; $100,000 was income from brokerage commissions; and $200,000 was from consulting fees.

Cohen is in big trouble for other crimes, unrelated to any campaign finance violations, and his word alone does not prove Trump instructed Cohen to violate FEC campaign finance laws. IF Democrats in the House call for impeachment without evidence, the Senate is not going to go along, unless there is credible evidence that Trump instructed Cohen to violate any laws.

And, where is the evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians?

Posted by: d.a.n at December 9, 2018 11:57 AM
Comment #435512

We all understand that impeachment is a political exercise, not a criminal one.

A NY Times editorial described impeachment this way; “The purpose of impeachment is not punitive. It is prophylactic. It is to protect the public against future acts of recklessness or abuse.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/opinion/impeachment-trump-constitution.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 9, 2018 3:31 PM
Comment #435520

A federal prosecutor for the SDNY has cited Individual 1 as what we call an ‘unindicted co-conspirator.’

One option is to wait until the presidential term ends to prosecute, rather than immediately impeach. The problem is a case like this, when a political party is more loyal to a potential dictator than the Constitution. It only takes 34 Senators to block removal from office, and if a president wants to hold onto power, rather than risk prosecution and jail after the term ends, the inducement to abuse power becomes even more tempting.

Another is to simply ignore felonies committed in order to win an election, on the theory that this does not rise to the level of an impeachable offense.

Yet another is to compile a docket of criminal acts, with the intention of adding everything to the impeachment pile.

During Watergate, a Grand Jury secretly indicted Nixon. He would have been charged with abuse of power and obstruction of justice.

During the Clinton impeachment, the GOP House initially brought 50 articles to charge Clinton. The Special Prosecutor dismissed them as unproven conspiracy theories and refused to go forward. The GOP elected to go with the Paula Jones harassment case.

Today, these two examples of conspiracy to violate campaign election laws cited by the SDNY federal prosecutor are obviously a lot more serious than the Clinton situation, which eventually involved perjury charges for a consensual extramarital affair between Bill Clinton and an intern, and we are WAY beyond those 50 articles the Republican House of the 90’s put out there.

From what I can gather, conservatives on WB either do not understand the SDNY situation, or conflate it with the Mueller investigation; in any event, they are miles away from making a real-world assessment of where we stand today.

Posted by: phx8 at December 9, 2018 7:10 PM
Comment #435531

Phx8, I go by what learned lawyers have to say about the case, not some Trump hater that wants to make a name for him/herself.You know lawyers like the ones that teach at Harvard. Like I said the prosecutor from the SDNY is an idiot if he/she thinks they can prosecute even after Trump leaves office.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at December 9, 2018 7:40 PM
Comment #435540
phx8 wrote: From what I can gather, conservatives on WB either do not understand the SDNY situation, …
Obviously, there’s a major malfunction with your gathering, since you still have not provided a shred of evidence of any laws violated by Trump. Posted by: d.a.n at December 9, 2018 8:43 PM
Comment #435541
The Special Prosecutor dismissed them as unproven conspiracy theories and refused to go forward.

Gee, I wonder why!

Ninety-four people either refused to be questioned, pled the Fifth Amendment, or left the country altogether.
Posted by: Weary Willie at December 9, 2018 9:19 PM
Comment #435542

KAP,
Provide a link to a lawyer other Trump supporter, Dershowitz, and I’m all ears. If it’s Dershowitz, don’t bother. He is now shunned by virtually everyone in his field.

Trump most certainly can be tried and jailed for campaign finance violations when he leaves office. The statute of limitations will not have expired after this term.

What the rest of you are saying does not surprise me in the least. Nixon supporters stood by him even when audio tapes were available. Bush #43 supporters continued to approve of his performance even as the economy crashed. I have no doubt most of you will be dead-enders, stuttering and stammering about Hillary and Obama even as the hammer comes down on Individual 1.

Just to switch gears, this is from the Mueller investigation (SCO), re the discussions between the Trump campaign and Russia about a Trump Tower in Moscow:

“If the project was completed, the Company could have received hundreds of millions of dollars from Russian sources in licensing fees and other revenues. The fact that Cohen continued to work on the project and discuss it with Individual 1 well into the campaign was material to the ongoing congressional and SCO investigations, particularly because it occurred at a time of sustained efforts by the Russian government to interfere with the U.S. presidential election.”

Posted by: phx8 at December 9, 2018 9:46 PM
Comment #435543

phx8, Dershowitz is one of them even though he is a Democrat and you guys think he is a DINO. But there are others and searching through Google I came across this article in Politico dated 08/23/18 “Cohen’s admission doesn’t mean Trump is Guilty” it’s a good read and you might learn something from it. Also it even mentions the John Edwards case, you know the Democrat that did the same thing Trump is accused of doing some years ago, paying HUSH MONEY to his mistress during his campaign and it getting dismissed in court. Also there was one article, I can’t remember the media outlet but it was from one of Obama’s W. H. attorneys Bob Bauher, “Trump opens up holes in campaign finance laws”. So you see there are so many holes in the law that it would be hard to prosecute anyone who pays HUSH MONEY. The word KNOWINGLY comes up to which PROSECUTERS have to prove the accused violated campaign finances.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at December 9, 2018 10:33 PM
Comment #435544

also phx8 that Russia thing never materialized son it is a big nothing burger.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at December 9, 2018 10:35 PM
Comment #435545

phx8 assumes a lot, and speculates a lot, but gets it wrong most of the time.
Not all conservatives defend crimes by conservatives.

  • Nixon broke the law (i.e. conspired to burglarize and bug the DNC), and there was evidence (miles of audio tape, and erased audio).
  • George W. Bush 43 was far, far worse (one of the worst U.S. presidents ever, in my opinion), because of the IRAQ war (few, or zero Weapons of Mass Destruction ever found), the mismanagement of the way the war was fought in IRAQ, the massive cost (trillion$), nation building in IRAQ (something G.W. Bush promised to never do, which cost the lives of thousands and the livelihoods of tens of thousands U.S. soldiers), the mismanagement of the economy and his part in the push for easy mortgages (with the help of many Democrats), including numerous radio broadcasts (by G.W. Bush) pushing home-ownership for everyone, which all culminated in the disastrous mortgage melt-down of 2008 (up to 10,000 foreclosures per day).
    Anyone who violated the law should be held accountable, including Trump.
  • However, phx8, nor anyone else, has yet provided evidence that Trump has violated finance campaign laws, or colluded with Russians, or other serious crimes.
    So, most (if not all) of what phx8 has provided as proof, is nonsense.

    The most serious crimes since 2008, for which there IS ample proof of, is the following:

    • (1) corruption during the Obama administration from 2009 to 2016.
    • (2) all of these lies, scandals, disasters, and violations.
    • (3) Obama released many from Gitmo, and they committed more terrorist acts, killing and injuring more people (www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/jan/25/cory-gardner/how-many-released-guantanamo-bay-prisoners-commit-/); Seriously? As of 23-JAN-2017, several Americans (6 or more) have been killed by the released terrorists; the federal government reported that 17.6% (122 individuals) had been “confirmed of re-engaging” and 12.4% (86 individuals) were suspected of re-engaging in terrorism. George W. Bush released some too, so he is culpable too.
    • (4) Obama Released criminal illegal immigrants:
      • (a) In 2014, the Obama administration released from its custody 30,558 criminal illegal immigrants with a total of 79,059 convictions ( 2.6 convictions per criminal illegal immigrant), instead of deporting them.
      • (b) Between October 1, 2010 and July 21, 2015, the Obama administration released 124 criminal aliens who were later charged with murder-related crimes committed in the U.S. after their release, and before February 2016.
        Source: cis.org/Vaughan/Free-Kill-124-Criminal-Aliens-Released-Obama-Policies-Charged-Homicide-2010
      • (c) In 2011, the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) published a study of 249,000 non-citizens in U.S. prisons and jails during 6 years from 2003–2009. This study represented a portion [about 68% of a total of about 364,950 illegal immigrants in state prisons, local jails, and federal prisons in year 2010] of the total population of criminal illegal immigrants who were incarcerated at the state and local levels in 5 states (Arizona, California, Florida, New York, and Texas).
        The study found that these illegal immigrants had been arrested for the following violent and drug crimes committed within the U.S.:
        • 25,064 homicides (NOTE: 25,064 homicides / 6 years = 4,177 homicides per year for 5 states for a study group of 249,000 (of a total of 354,950 illegal immigrants; extrapolating, that is 4,177 / (249,000/364,950) = 6,122 homicides per year for 5 states);
        • 69,929 s*x offenses.
        • 94,492 weapons violations.
        • 213,047 assaults.
        • 504,043 drug crimes.
        • Sources: www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-187 , www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf; compare that to all 17,250 homicides in the U.S. in year 2016, and 4,177 homicides per year in 5 states for a study group of 249,000 (only for 68% of all 364,950 illegal immigrants in state prisons, local jails, and federal jails). Those 4,177 homicides in 5 states by illegal immigrants is over 24% of ALL 17,250 homicides in the U.S. in 2016 (nation-wide).
      • (d) As of early year 2017, 32% of all persons in federal prison are illegal immigrants (Source: cis.org/Huennekens/32-Federal-Inmates-Are-Aliens ). Obama tries, still to this day, tries to minimize the impact of crime by criminal illegal immigrants. Is 4,177 homicides per year in 5 states something to be trivialized ?

    Posted by: d.a.n at December 9, 2018 11:57 PM
    Comment #435590

    The Clinton Foundation was one of the biggest charity frauds ever.
    Other people have gone to jail for much less.

    For example, former Republican Congressmen Steve Stockman was convicted and sentenced to 10 years in prison for $1 million in charity fraud. Former Democratic Congresswoman Corrine Brown was sentenced to 5 years in federal prison for charity fraud.

    It must be maddening for Stockman and Brown to get years in prison, while the Clintons get away with charity fraud, sending and receiving classified emails on a private server, deleting emails, lying to Congress, Uranium One to give uranium to Russia, lies about Benghazi (and “What difference does it make”?), rigging the DNC, buying the fake “Steele Dossier” (there’s an example of collusion with a foreign government), having the FBI and DOJ look the other way for all of Hillary’s crimes, and having the FBI and DOJ go after the OTHER party, etc.?

    Posted by: d.a.n at December 10, 2018 10:42 PM
    Comment #435591

    Don Jr. has fled to Canada and has no intention of coming back while he may be indicted.

    Posted by: ohrealy at December 10, 2018 11:59 PM
    Comment #435662

    Yep, that’s what all of the nutty left-wing new sources are saying, so it must be true.

    Posted by: d.a.n at December 12, 2018 5:46 PM
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