Senator Flake - Would You Kindly Zip it & Vote for Neomi Rao and the rest?

Does Jeff Flake, the departing senator from Arizona have any proof of Russia-Trump team collusion? Or is he being a stickler about Senate oversight? Or does he just really not like Trump or his administration, or their policies especially on immigration?

Senator Flake's move in the Senate - threatening to hold up judicial appointments unless the Senate votes on a bill he's co-sponsored to give Robert Mueller the chance to appeal to a 3-judge panel should President Trump have him removed as special counsel - has gotten headlines and has allowed the senator to play up his Never-Trumpism as his DC curtain call, if you will.

So what's more important Jeff Flake? The shape and outlook of the judiciary over the coming years, or an investigation that seems to have been started by an opposition research firm hired by the Democrats to dig up dirt on Trump? Flake's words:

The president now has this investigation in his sights, and we all know it. Why?! Why do we do this?! To protect a man seemingly who is so incurious about what Russia did during the 2016 elections? Why do we do that? Do we have no more institutional pride here?!

Seems to miss - deliberately of course - the point that one of the Senate's main institutional functions is its advice and consent role with regards judicial appointments. It must be a real source of pride for Mitch McConnell that he has managed to bring two conservative Justices to SCOTUS's benches as well as a number of lower-court and district judges.

So Flake's holding up these appointments for the sake of what seems to be a dead-letter investigation is disappointing but hardly surprising.

But there's another issue lurking behind the scenes as well, one that Flake may or may not have an opinion on, even though one gets the feeling that Flake is as vindictive as the president but better at hiding it in classic DC pol style.

That other issue is the administrative state. As James Hohmann (from a critical viewpoint of course) in the WaPo's Daily 202 points out, one of the judicial appointments to the DC Circuit is Neomi Rao, who is currently administrator of The Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs - an office under the OMB that is in charge of implementing policy and regulations for the executive. That's a key role that bridges the White House with the administrative state - which the President is basically at war with, both on policy issues and on the issue of how much power is concentrated in the hands of the regulation-making and enforcing bureaucracy.

As Hohmann puts it:

As a top official at OMB, Rao is a leading architect of Trump's effort to consolidate power at the White House, deconstruct the administrative state and reduce the independence of rulemaking agencies to make them more beholden to the president.

Uh, not quite Jim. Aside from the hypocrisy of cheering Obama's pen-and-phone executive style and jeering Trump for using similar tactics, the point of curtailing the administrative state is to bring government to a more accountable and transparent place where Congress, the Judiciary (real judges rather than quasi-judicial administrative processes in other words), and the Executive are in a balance closer to the wording of the constitution.

So the idea is to curtail them and reduce their scope of influence over voter's daily lives. Might President Trump be tempted to use these rules and regulations against his opponents in a similar way it appears the intelligence community used them against him? Of course he may. But the more important principle is that the administrative state has to be pruned and curtailed. Anything else would not change much at all, and leave it free to continue its sprawling growth.

That's a good enough reason for Senator Flake to shut up and vote in judges like Neomi Rao.

Posted by Keeley at November 15, 2018 8:15 PM
Comments
Comment #434443

Is this article supposed to be ironic, or just stupid? You’ve fallen all the way through the sewer and into the sewage treatment plant with this one.

Cocaine Mitch is getting paid to confirm judges, and Kennedy was probably paid to retire. The reich wing is so crooked they’re all going to need a huge corkscrew to get buried.

Flake has voted with the reich wing on almost all issues, but he’s a traitor if he doesn’t follow the leader in all things.

As for russia, please. Tramp showed his love for Putain again in Paris. “Russia, if you’re listening..” really happened. That’s espionage and treason. If any liberal had done that, the reich wing would be calling for impeachment, removal, and assassination.

Posted by: ohrealy at November 16, 2018 12:07 PM
Comment #434444
Sen Jeff Flake said: The president now has this [Mueller] investigation in his sights, and we all know it. Why?! Why do we do this?! To protect a man seemingly who is so incurious about what Russia did during the 2016 elections? Why do we do that? Do we have no more institutional pride here?!
You would think that someone by the name of “Flake” would try to not act like a “flake” (i.e. by now refusing to vote on judicial nominees until Senate votes on bill protecting the Mueller investigation)? Trump isn’t going to fire Mueller now, because the longer (about 2 years so far) that investigation goes on without finding “Collusion between Trump and Russia”, the more foolish that Mueller, the investigation, and Democrats appear.

HHMmmm… wasn’t ohrealy, phx8, j2t2, and other “Russia! Russia! Russia!” conspiracy theorists predicting Mueller was going to report something very important (i.e. indictments) this Friday, 16-NOV-2018 (i.e. something to prove collusion between Russia and Trump)?

Posted by: d.a.n at November 16, 2018 2:34 PM
Comment #434445

The hypocrisy of Democrats (and others on the left) wanting Trump’s income tax returns is that the IRS already knows ALL about Trump’s income tax returns. What violations does anyone hope to find that the IRS does not already know about? After all, the IRS has audited Trump every year for the last 16 years.

Posted by: d.a.n at November 16, 2018 2:41 PM
Comment #434446

Keely, Ohrealy must actually love your column, because Ohrealy is almost always the first to post on your columns, and posts on your column the most, despite denigrating the column. Must be a love-hate thing?

Unfortunately, when Ohrealy posts, it doesn’t seem to make any sense:

  • [01]Ohrealy wrote (re: open borders): You are really waving a red flag in front of me by mentioning Texas. I am in favor of moving the [Texas/Mexico] border from the Rio Grande back to the Nueces, at least, where it belongs. The northern part that came from the Louisiana Purchase should really belong to Oklahoma.
  • [02]Ohrealy wrote: I certainly think it would be better if Texas was still part of Mexico. We should trade it for Baja California.
  • [03]Ohrealy wrote: Oh, and West Texas could just be one large penal colony, to house all the people that we want to put in jail, about 5 million if some folks get their way (Posted by: ohrealy at March 15, 2006 11:16 PM)
  • [04]Ohrealy wrote: I keep track of everything I write, and you evidently do not, …
  • [05]Ohrealy wrote: … threads were flooded with long nonsensical posts by Sicilian eagle, d.a.n., and joebagodonuts. I don’t come into here to read that crap. When people respond to it, they just get more of the same.
  • [06]Ohrealy wrote: And let’s move the capital from Washington DC, to Nauvoo, Illinois. The rest of D.C. should become a museum district, and be part of Maryland.
  • [07]Ohrealy wrote (about illegal immigration): Why don’t you lazy people in Texas quit griping and actually do something useful about it, if you’re not satisfied with what the Federal government is doing.
  • [08]Ohrealy wrote: I’m sure Mueller will attempt to get Dumpty [Trump] to resign.
  • [09]Ohrealy wrote: Now the inauguration is being looked into, a slush fund never accounted, and plenty of Russians in attendance, including Natalia Veselnitskaya and Rinat Akhmetshin from the Trump Tower meeting, supporting the candidate they helped.
  • [10]Ohrealy wrote: They’re not going to deport the people they need, just the ones who’ve gotten educations that they don’t need.
  • [11]Ohrealy wrote: I never trust a right winger or believe anything they say, whether a troll on a website or a justice on the SCOTUS. They have an agenda, trying to keep a minority in control of a country where most people disagree with their agenda.
  • [12]Ohrealy wrote: Most significantly, the rest of the world is now looking for an alternative currency to the dollar. This is only really happening because of lack of confidence in the current US government. [Not true. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_currency#Global_currency_reserves ; the U.$.D Dollar accounts for about 63% of world reserve currencies; the EURO accounts for 20%, and then all the rest around the world accounts for the remaining 17% (combined); the U.S. Dollar has never fallen below 61% over the last 15 years; the Chinese Renminbi accounts for 1.23% as of 2017];
  • [13]Ohrealy wrote: If you see AOC [Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez] as bad, that bad is in your head, and you should figure out how that got into your head, and who put it there.
  • [14]Ohrealy wrote: Tramp [Trump] is a stochastic terrorist. Wray should go to the White House and arrest him [Trump] immediately.
  • [15]Ohrealy wrote: You’re going to have to resort to the dog whistles like the last reich wing author here had to do to gin up the tin foil hat people.
  • [16]Ohrealy wrote: Mass murdering reich wingers like the Kentucky Kroger Killer [nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/white-supremacist-shooting-in-louisville-kentucky-kroger.html] and that Soros hating Nazi in Pittsburg aren’t dirt. That would be an insult to dirt.
  • [17]Ohrealy wrote: I agree that the Tramp [Trump] should cut out his callous fascist, sexist, racist rage and shouting or serve two years in the tanning bed.
  • [18]Ohrealy wrote (March 28, 2008 08:18 PM Comment #249452): Doctors want single payer to help them get paid. It will not directly affect the care that their patients get, just accounting expenses.
  • [19]Ohrealy wrote: Take your memory pill, as well as the other ones, paranoid jackass, we have already had this conversation before.
  • [20]Ohrealy wrote: Tramp is already giving up on the presidency. He’ll be gone soon. Pence is going to be filling in for him at international meetings.
  • [21]Ohrealy wrote: Is this article supposed to be ironic, or just stupid? You’ve fallen all the way through the sewer and into the sewage treatment plant with this one.
  • [22]Ohrealy wrote: Cocaine Mitch is getting paid to confirm judges, and Kennedy was probably paid to retire. The reich wing is so crooked they’re all going to need a huge corkscrew to get buried.
  • [23]Ohrealy wrote: As for russia, please. Tramp [Trump] showed his love for Putain again in Paris. “Russia, if you’re listening..” really happened. That’s espionage and treason. If any liberal had done that, the reich wing would be calling for impeachment, removal, and assassination.
  • [24]Ohrealy wrote: Why are you bothering to put articles up on this website? You will never get another reader here that has not participated in this site when it was a much better forum. Anyone who participated then would be disgusted by the content now. You might get additional readers if you changed the name to pinocchioblog, or moronidiotimbecileblog, or tinfoilhatblog.
  • [25]Ohrealy wrote: The main question for this election is the same as it has been in every election in this century, how much is the reich wing going to cheat and are they going to get away with it?
  • [26]Ohrealy wrote: Philipino-Italian American and fake Seminole Sayoc was a roadie for Chippendales.
  • [27]Ohrealy wrote: Another F rated article on a D rated website. You’re going to have to resort to the dog whistles like the last reich wing author here had to do to gin up the tin foil hat people.
  • [28]Ohrealy wrote: 700 F rated articles from this “author” at this D rated website.
  • [29]Ohrealy wrote: On the conclusion to your stupid article, why isn’t tramp [Trump] building a wall between Mexico and Guatemala? The caravan started as a relatively small group of refugees, then became much larger when Tramp [Trump] gave them all that publicity. It’s like he needs this caravan to get as big as possible for some reason.
  • [30]Ohrealy wrote: What a stupid article. Globalism is a corporate policy that the right wing loves, in spite of Steve Bannon’s efforts.
  • [31]Ohrealy wrote: The house may be the one owned by Mark Judge’s grandmother. When Rachel Miller began questioning Brat [Brett Kavanaugh] about that date in his calendar, Lindsay Graham began pitching his hissy fit to stop Rachel Miller’s questioning. He knows Brat [Brett Kavanaugh] is a rapist, and wants him on the SCOTUS. Scum of the earth.
  • [32]Ohrealy wrote: The right wing party are The American Psycho Party. They did it to themselves. Brat Kava Nought [Brett Kavanaugh] did it to himself. The incels [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel] love rapists. All the filth, including Georgetown Prep, should be sued and prosecuted. Julie Swetnick: www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/users/user20/declaration_3.jpg

Posted by: d.a.n at November 16, 2018 3:30 PM
Comment #434448

d.a.n., early on after reading a few comments by “Ohrealy” I made the decision not to respond to any of his posts. I am glad I made that decision.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 16, 2018 3:36 PM
Comment #434450

There is a good chance today, Friday, will end with indictments. However, Trump is supposedly finishing his written answers to turn in to the Mueller probe. These questions are supposedly only about collusion (the legal term: conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws and election laws. It could also include FARA violations and related crimes). The Mueller team may wait for written answers. Then again, this may be yet another attempt by Trump to stall, and he is just dangling the possibility of oral or written testimony to delay indictments.

Barely noticed- another Russian was indicted for interfering with 2016 AND 2018 campaign.

Also barely noticed- an indictment for Assange at Wikileaks was accidentally unsealed.

Also also barely noticed- yesterday Michael Cohen took a train to visit the Mueller team for another interview. And the scheduling for sentencing for another felon clearly states there is more than one investigation.

Also also also barely noticed- there are sealed vs sealed indictments flying back and forth at the DC Court of Appeals. One side of the ‘sealed’ is known to be the Mueller team. Their lawyers made the filings. The other side- possibly the president- seems to have lost.

Roger Stone, Jerome Corsi, and Donald Trump Jr. all have said they expect to be indicted. It appears one of Stone’s associates, Randy Credico, sang like a canary during his testimony, leaving Stone and Corsi up the proverbial creek.

Posted by: phx8 at November 16, 2018 3:57 PM
Comment #434451

“Also also also barely noticed”

If I am not mistaken phx8, I stopped paying attention to your “sky-is-finally-falling” nonsense regarding the president months ago. Please do give us updates however when something real happens that we miss.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 16, 2018 4:05 PM
Comment #434452
Also barely noticed- an indictment for Assange at Wikileaks was accidentally unsealed. Posted by: phx8 at November 16, 2018 3:57 PM

Also barely noticed, Theresa May is on the way out, having lost the support of the DUP. Talking with Brits yesterday, they’re pretty pissed about the amount of money that they’ve spent on protecting Assange in his room in the Ecuadorian apartment in Knightsbridge. Assange tried to escape to russia, but is more likely to be extradited to Sweden. Sweden may not want to send him to the US if they’re not sure of what the US government will actually do. The Ecuadorians are tired of Assange, and his little cat too.

Tramp:
I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks I love Wikileaks

Posted by: ohrealy at November 16, 2018 4:21 PM
Comment #434454

RF,
Did you see any election predictions better than mine? A lot of people were unwilling to try. The only one on WB (that I saw) was by Roy Ellis predicting the GOP would keep the House. Rush Limbaugh also predicted the GOP would keep the House too. Now THAT was a crappy prediction.

The House will include 96 women. 83 are Democrats. The incoming GOP Freshman include 1 new woman (and two others waiting for races to be decided. I think one of those lost). The Democrats are incredibly diverse, including blacks, Muslims, and LGBT, representing the make-up of America. The Republicans? Eh, not so much. Just white identity politics as usual.

Gotta go, but I will get around to posting just how much I admire AOL.

Posted by: phx8 at November 16, 2018 4:33 PM
Comment #434455
Also also also barely noticed- there are sealed vs sealed indictments flying back and forth at the DC Court of Appeals. One side of the ‘sealed’ is known to be the Mueller team. Their lawyers made the filings. The other side- possibly the president- seems to have lost. Posted by: phx8 at November 16, 2018 3:57 PM

There are dozens of sealed criminal indictments on the DC docket. Mueller probably did this in advance of whatever Sasquatch loving time travel believing big toilet fraudster Whitaker will attempt to do. He’s an idiot. Mueller is not. I wonder who outsmarted whom.

Mr. Kellyanne Conway is calling the administration a “dumpster fire”, and he’s a far reich wing Clinton hater.

Posted by: ohrealy at November 16, 2018 4:51 PM
Comment #434456

“Did you see any election predictions better than mine?”

Well phx8, you have made many predictions regarding President Trump which is what I wrote about; not elections.

Name a few you are most proud of predicting correctly.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 16, 2018 5:01 PM
Comment #434457

“The Democrats are incredibly diverse…”

That is certainly true phx8 if one only considers physical appearance.

I am proud that the Republican members of congress are diverse in their thinking and actions. Each Republican in the House believes in representing the people in their district; not just those who look like them.

I do not subscribe to your thinking phx8, that only women can represent women; that only blacks can represent blacks; and so on. The best representative are those who do their best to help all people in their district.

The Republican representatives in the House, unlike the Democrats, are never accused of marching in lockstep. We have diversity of thinking. The Democrats have diversity in appearance.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 16, 2018 5:18 PM
Comment #434458

RF,
“I do not subscribe to your thinking phx8, that only women can represent women; that only blacks can represent blacks; and so on.”

And I do not subscribe to your thinking that only white men can represent women; that only white men can represent blacks; and so on.

The GOP resulted to the unfavorable demographic squeeze of the past decades by rejecting the change, and doubling down on its dwindling base of ageing white, rural males with high school education or less. It is turning the GOP into a minority party which depends on obtaining power by suppressing votes and appealing to the worst in Americans, to racism and bigotry and misogyny.

Another reason the GOP continues shrinking is the fact that it is a party of ideology, unlike the Democrats, who are a coalition party. The idea that Republicans have “diversity of thinking” is laughable.

Posted by: phx8 at November 16, 2018 6:37 PM
Comment #434459
phx8 wrote: The Democrats are incredibly diverse, including blacks, Muslims, and LGBT, representing the make-up of America. The Republicans? Eh, not so much. Just white identity politics as usual.
Not true.

phx8 loves playing the race card, but ignores the facts.

Please see the list below of Black Republicans throughout U.S. History…, and others in U.S. government, and the 2018 election.

Also, don’t forget:

  • Slavery (Democrats did that: source: www.britannica.com/topic/Democratic-Party ),
  • the KKK violence (Democrats did that; source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan),
  • Segregation (Democrats did that; source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats ),
  • Jim Crow laws (Democrats did that; source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws)
  • and many other historic abuses heaped on black Americans in the U.S. by the Democratic Party and its supporters, the political party responsible for all of that racism is now the one constantly shouting:
      “You’re a Racist !, Bigot !, Fascist !, Nazi !
    … and (despicably) pitting differentt racial groups against each other (i.e. especially, when it comes to despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes).
    For many Democrats, it is par for the course.
    Since the founding of the Democratic Party, it has always tried to generate racial strife.
    Unfortunately for Democrats, the race card just doesn’t work as well as it did in the past, because Democrats have over-used it, and abused it, and many people are getting sick of it (source: newrepublic.com/minutes/144925/democrats-losing-loyal-voters-black-women).

For example, consider the following statement by phx8 …

phx8 wrote: if Tucker Carlson wants to spread hatred and white nationalism on FOX, he should expect consequences.
phx8 still has not provided any evidence of (exactly) what Tucker Carlson ever said that was racist?

    Black Republicans throughout U.S. History that worked in a direct, professional capacity in politics:
  • Dinah Abrahamson (1954–2013), Author, Republican member of the Nebraska State Central Committee
  • Archie Alexander (1888–1958), governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands
  • Walter G. Alexander (1880–1953), first African-American to serve in the New Jersey Legislature
  • Aris T. Allen (1910–1991), chair of the Maryland Republican Party
  • Claude Allen (b. 1960), White House Domestic Policy Advisor
  • Ethel D. Allen (1929–1981), Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, first African-American elected to Philadelphia City Council
  • Richard Allen (1830–1909), member of the Texas House of Representatives
  • James W. Ames (1864–1944), representative in the Michigan House of Representatives
  • Renee Amoore (b. 1953), health care advocate & founder and president of The Amoore Group, Inc.; former candidate for Republican National Committee Co-Chairwoman
  • John D. Anthony (b. 1976), member of the Illinois House of Representatives from the 75th district, (2013–2016)
  • Caesar Antoine (1836–1921), 13th Lieutenant Governor of Louisiana
  • Robin Armstrong (b. 1969), vice chairman of the Republican Party of Texas (2006–2010)
  • Alexander Asberry (1861–1903), member of the Texas House of Representatives
  • Anna Simms Banks (1862–1923), first female delegate at the Kentucky’s 7th congressional district Convention in Kentucky
  • Martin G. Barnes (1948–2012), Mayor of Paterson, New Jersey
  • Houston A.P. Bassett (1857–1920), member of the Texas House of Representatives
  • Andrea Barthwell (b. 1953/1954), former Deputy Director for Demand Reduction at the Office of National Drug Control Policy.
  • Thomas Beck (1819–?), member of the Texas House of Representatives
  • Ashley Bell, National Director of African American Engagement Office and the Director of the Small Business Administration’s Southeast Region[1]
  • J. Kenneth Blackwell (b. 1948), Ohio State Treasurer, Ohio Secretary of State, and 2006 Republican candidate for Governor of Ohio
  • Donald Blakey (b. 1936), member of the Delaware House of Representatives
  • Edward David Bland (1848-1927), member of the Virginia House of Delegates
  • Kirt Bennett (1967–2010), political activist in Louisiana
  • Michelle Bernard (b. 1963), journalist, author, columnist Lynette Boggs (b. 1963), Las Vegas City Councilwoman, former Clark County, NV commissioner, former candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives
  • Claude M. Bolton, Jr. (1945–2015), United States Assistant Secretary of the Army for Acquisition, Logistics, and Technology (2002–2008)
  • Peter Boulware (b. 1974), NFL linebacker and Republican candidate for the Florida House of Representatives, District 9.
  • Neal E. Boyd (1975-2018), opera singer and former candidate for the Missouri House of Representatives
  • Jennette Bradley (b. 1952), Treasurer of the State of Ohio
  • Randy Brock (b. 1943), State Auditor of Vermont, State Senator of Vermont
  • Stephen Broden (b. 1952), conservative commentator, Life Always board member (a pro-life organization) and evangelical pastor, 2010 Congressional candidate
  • Edward Brooke (1919–2015), U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, first African American elected by popular vote to the U.S. Senate
  • Cora Brown (1914–1972), first African-American female elected to a U.S. state senate
  • Hallie Quinn Brown (1845–1949), an educator, writer and activist
  • Janice Rogers Brown (b. 1949), a former judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit
  • Reginald J. Brown (1940–2005), Assistant Secretary of the Army (Manpower and Reserve Affairs) (2001–2005)
  • Blanche Bruce (1841–1898), U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve a full term in the U.S. Senate
  • C.L. Bryant (b. 1956), Baptist minister, radio & television host
  • Nannie Helen Burroughs (1878–1961), educator, activist and feminist
  • Walter Moses Burton (1840–1913), member of the Texas State Senate
  • William Owen Bush (1832–1907), member of the Washington State Legislature
  • Keith Butler (b. 1955/1956), Republican national committeeman from Michigan, former councilman for Detroit, minister and former U.S. Senatorial candidate
  • Yvonne Brown (1952–2012), first female black Republican mayor in Mississippi.
  • Herman Cain (b. 1945), businessman, media personality, and former candidate for President of the United States in 2012.
  • Richard H. Cain (1825–1887), U.S. Representative from South Carolina
  • Francis Lewis Cardozo (1836–1903), state treasurer
  • Archibald Carey, Jr. (1908–1981), appointed by President Dwight D. Eisenhower as chair of his committee to reduce racial discrimination
  • Selwyn Carrol (1928–2010), member of the Alaska House of Representatives 1973–1975, county auditor of Hampton County, South Carolina[2][3][4]
  • Jennifer Carroll (b. 1959), Lieutenant Governor of Florida[5]
  • Ben Carson (b. 1951), political commentator and pediatric neurosurgeon, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under President Donald Trump (2017–)
  • Stefani Carter (b. 1978), member of the Texas House of Representatives
  • George Washington Carver (c.1860–1943), inventor
  • Juan Chastang (b. 1961/1962), Mobile County, Alabama Commissioner
  • Ron Christie (b. 1969), adviser to Vice-President Dick Cheney.[6]
  • Octavius Valentine Catto (1839–1871), civil rights activist and African American baseball pioneer
  • Julius Caesar Chappelle (1852–1904), legislator (1883–1886), Massachusetts House of Representatives [7]
  • Henry P. Cheatham (1857–1935), U.S. Representative from North Carolina
  • Eldridge Cleaver (1935–1998), author and civil rights leader
  • Garry Cobb (b. 1957), NFL Linebacker, 2014 nominee for NJ 1st Congressional District
  • Walter L. Cohen (1860–1930), Leader of the Black and Tan Republicans
  • Abram Colby (1800s), representative in the Georgia House of Representatives
  • William Thaddeus Coleman, Jr. (1920-2017), fourth United States Secretary of Transportation, first African American Supreme Court Clerk
  • Ward Connerly (b. 1939), political activist, businessman, and former University of California Regent
  • Frank Cousins (b. 1958), first African-American sheriff in Massachusetts
  • Jane Powdrell-Culbert (b. 1949), current member (2003 -) of the New Mexico House of Representatives
  • Norris Wright Cuney (1846–1898), Chairman of the Texas Republican Party (1886–1896)
  • Green Currin (1842/1844–1918), member of the Oklahoma Territorial Legislature
  • Randy Daniels (b. 1950), Secretary of State of New York, 2006 Gubernatorial candidate
  • Christopher Darden (b. 1956), lawyer, O.J. Simpson trial prosecutor
  • Artur Davis (b. 1967), Democratic Alabama Congressman, speaker at 2012 Republican National Convention, potential Republican candidate
  • Ruth A. Davis (b. 1943), diplomat and 24th Director General of the United States Foreign Service
  • Paris Dennard (b. 1982), former White House aide to George W. Bush, CNN and NPR contributor
  • Lurita Doan (b. 1958), former administrator of the United States General Services Administration
  • Oscar Stanton de Priest (1871–1951), U.S. Representative from Illinois
  • Robert DeLarge (1842–1874), South Carolina congressman
  • Frederick Douglass (1818–1895), abolitionist, editor, orator, author, and statesman
  • Antoine Dubuclet (1810–1887), State Treasurer of Louisiana
  • Damon Dunn (b. 1976), former football player, politician
  • Oscar Dunn (1826–1871), 11th Lieutenant Governor of Louisiana
  • Edward Duplex (1831–1900), Mayor of Wheatland, California (1888)
  • Larry Elder (b. 1952), talk radio host and commentator
  • Robert Brown Elliott (1842–1884), U.S. Representative from South Carolina
  • Clark Ervin (b. 1959), first Inspector General of the US Department of Homeland Security
  • James Evans, Chairman of the Utah Republican Party
  • Melvin H. Evans (1917–1984), U.S. Representative from, and former Governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands
  • Charles Evers (b. 1922), civil rights leader, Mayor of Fayette, Mississippi
  • James L. Farmer, Jr., civil rights leader
  • Michel Faulkner, pastor, defensive lineman for the New York Jets, a 2010 nominee for New York’s 15th congressional district
  • Crystal Bird Fauset, first female African-American state legislator in the United States
  • William A. Feilds, member of the Tennessee House of Representatives
  • Ada Fisher, Republican National Committeewoman for North Carolina
  • Arthur Fletcher (1924-2005), official in the administrations of Presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and George H.W. Bush; considered the “father of affirmative action”
  • Gary Franks, U.S. Representative from Connecticut
  • Jendayi Frazer, former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs
  • Ryan Frazier, Aurora City Councilman, 2010 nominee for Colorado’s 7th congressional district
  • Samuel B. Fuller, founder and president of the Fuller Products Company, publisher of the New York Age and Pittsburgh Courier, head of the South Side Chicago NAACP, president of the National Negro Business League, and a prominent black Republican
  • Virginia Fuller, 2010 and 2012 Congressional Candidate
  • Walt Furnace (b. 1943), member of the Alaska House of Representatives 1983–1991[11][12]
  • Matthew Gaines, community leader, minister, and Republican Texas State Senator.
  • James Garner, mayor of the Village of Hempstead, New York, 2004 Congressional candidate
  • Althea Garrison, former member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives
  • Robert A. George, editorial writer for the New York Post, blogger and pundit
  • Mifflin Wistar Gibbs, American consul to Madagascar
  • Jonathan Clarkson Gibbs, Secretary of State of Florida and Florida Superintendent of Public Instruction
  • Ron Givens, member of the Texas House of Representatives
  • James Golden, producer on the Rush Limbaugh radio talk show
  • Rosey Grier, former professional football player, Protestant minister, actor and former candidate for Governor of California, 2018
  • Elbert Guillory, former state senator in Louisiana’s 24th district
  • Darryl Glenn, American politician and lawyer, Republican Party candidate for United States Senate seat in Colorado,2016
  • Ken Hamblin, Radio host, political commentator, author, television personality
  • A. C. Hamlin, member of the Oklahoma House of Representatives
  • Jenean Hampton, Lieutenant Governor of Kentucky (2015–)
  • Jeremiah Haralson, U.S. Representative from Alabama
  • Bill Hardiman, Michigan State Senator, 2010 Congressional Candidate
  • Erika Harold, 2003 Miss America, delegate to the 2004 Republican National Convention, 2012 Congressional Candidate
  • Bruce Harris, mayor of Chatham Borough, New Jersey
  • James H. Harris, member of both the North Carolina House of Representatives and North Carolina Senate
  • Paul Clinton Harris, member of the Virginia House of Delegates
  • Lewis Hayden, elected to the Massachusetts State Legislature
  • Henry E. Hayne, former senator in the South Carolina Senate and Secretary of State of South Carolina
  • Curtis Hill 43rd Attorney General of Indiana
  • Mike Hill, state representative in the Florida House of Representatives
  • William H. Holland, member of the Texas House of Representatives
  • Amy Holmes, political commentator and independent social conservative
  • Deborah Honeycutt, 2006, 2008, 2010 congressional candidate;
  • T.R.M. Howard, Mississippi civil rights leader, surgeon, entrepreneur and mentor to Medgar Evers and Fannie Lou Hamer
  • Will Hurd, U.S. Representative from Texas, CIA analyst
  • Zora Neale Hurston, Folklorist, anthropologist, novelist, short story writer
  • Lynn Hutchings, member of the Wyoming House of Representatives
  • John Adams Hyman, U.S. Representative from North Carolina
  • Niger Innis, commentator and activist
  • Alphonso Jackson, thirteenth Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
  • George B. Jackson,
  • Raynard Jackson, political consultant and political analyst for WUSA*9 TV (CBS affiliate) in Washington, DC
  • Richard E. Jackson, first African-American mayor of a city in New York State
  • Conrad James, member of the New Mexico House of Representatives
  • John James, 2018 candidate for the U.S. Senate from Michigan
  • Kay Coles James, director for the United States Office of Personnel Management 2001–2005
  • Dr. Mildred Fay Jefferson, first African-American woman to graduate from Harvard Medical School; pro-life movement leader; Republican candidate for U.S. House and U.S. Senate[13]
  • Wallace B. Jefferson, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Texas
  • Edward A. Johnson, member of the New York State Assembly
  • James Weldon Johnson, first Black manager of the NAACP, president of the Colored Republican Club
  • Peter K. Jones, member of the Virginia House of Delegates
  • Scipio Africanus Jones, Arkansas delegate to the Republican National Convention
  • E.W. Jackson, GOP nominee for Lt. Governor of Virginia in 2013, President of STAND and CETF, Marine Corps Veteran, and graduate of Harvard Law School
  • Alan Keyes, diplomat, media personality and nominee for the U.S. Senate in Maryland and Illinois
  • Alveda King, minister, political activist, author, niece of Martin Luther King Jr.
  • Stephen N. Lackey, fundraiser, philanthropist
  • Charles Henry Langston, (1817–1892) was an American abolitionist and political activist who was active in Ohio and later in Kansas
  • John Mercer Langston, U.S. Representative from Virginia
  • Jim Lawrence, member of NH House of Representatives (2002–2008), 2014 candidate for 2nd NH Congressional District
  • Jefferson Franklin Long, U.S. Representative from Georgia
  • Nic Lott, Chairman for the Mississippi Young Republicans and Mississippi College Republicans
  • Bruce LeVell, Businessman, Executive Director of National Diversity Coalition for Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign
  • William H. Lewis, United States Assistant Attorney General
  • John Roy Lynch, U.S. Representative from Mississippi
  • Ernest Lyon (1860–1938), Methodist clergyman, former United States Ambassador to Liberia, and founder of the Maryland Industrial and Agricultural Institute for Colored Youths
  • Leo Mackay, Jr., deputy secretary of the United States Department of Veterans Affairs
  • Kenneth Mapp, governor of the United States Virgin Islands
  • Lenny McAllister, political analyst, community activist, television and radio host, author, 2013 Congressional candidate
  • Edward P. McCabe, Treasurer of Logan County, Oklahoma
  • William Madison McDonald, State Chairman of the Republican Party of Texas
  • Angela McGlowan, political analyst, 2010 Congressional candidate
  • James Meredith, civil rights leader
  • Ron Miller, communications director for the Calvert County Republican Central Committee
  • Thomas Ezekiel Miller, U.S. Representative from South Carolina
  • Robert J. Moore, member of the Texas House of Representatives
  • Walthall M. Moore, first African American to serve in the Missouri state legislature
  • Clement G. Morgan (1859–1929), Boston attorney, civil rights activist, and city official
  • Eric Motley, former Deputy Associate Director, Office of Presidential Personnel in Bush Administration
  • George Washington Murray, U.S. Representative from South Carolina
  • E. Frederic Morrow, first African-American to hold an executive position at the White House. He served under President Dwight D. Eisenhower as Administrative Officer for Special Projects from 1955 to 1961.
  • Charles Edmund Nash, U.S Representative from Louisiana
  • Sophia A. Nelson, lawyer, author, political commentator
  • Constance Berry Newman, U.S. diplomat; former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs; member of International Republican Institute
  • James E. O’Hara, Congressman from North Carolina
  • Rod Paige, seventh U.S. Secretary of Education
  • Sherman Parker, Missouri state representative, ran for U.S. House of Representatives
  • Vernon Parker, mayor of Paradise Valley, Arizona, 2010 Congressional candidate
  • Star Parker, author, political commentator, 2010 Congressional candidate
  • Edward J. Perkins, first African-American U.S. ambassador to South Africa
  • Jesse Lee Peterson, civil rights activist, founder of Brotherhood of New Destiny
  • Joseph C. Phillips, actor, columnist, commentator
  • Pio Pico (1801-94), last governor of Mexican California. Formed the Republican Party in California.[14]
  • Samuel Pierce, Housing and Urban Development Secretary
  • P. B. S. Pinchback, twenty-fourth governor of Louisiana; first African-American governor of a U.S. state
  • Colin Powell, 65th United States Secretary of State
  • Michael Powell, 24th Chairman of the FCC
  • Joe Profit, former Atlanta Falcons player; candidate for U.S. House of Representatives in Georgia
  • Pierre-Richard Prosper, Bush Administration war crimes official
  • Joseph H. Rainey (1832–1887), U.S. Representative from South Carolina, first African American to serve in the U.S. House of Representatives
  • Benjamin F. Randolph (1820–1868), State Senator in the South Carolina State Senate
  • Oliver Randolph (1882–1951), second African American elected to the New Jersey Legislature
  • James T. Rapier (1837–1883), U.S. Representative from Alabama
  • Hiram Rhodes Revels (1827–1901), U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve in the U.S. Senate
  • Condoleezza Rice (b. 1954), 66th United States Secretary of State
  • Matthew Ricketts (1858–1917), member of the Nebraska House of Representatives
  • Frederick Madison Roberts (1879–1952), first African-American in the California State Assembly
  • Jack E. Robinson III (b. 1960), party nominee for U.S. House, U.S. Senate, and Secretary of the Commonwealth in Massachusetts
  • Vernon Robinson (b. 1955), candidate for U.S. House of Representatives from North Carolina
  • Joe Rogers (1964–2013), Lieutenant Governor of Colorado, youngest Lieutenant Governor in Colorado history
  • Carson Ross (b. 1946), Mayor of Blue Springs, MO, Fmr. Missouri State Rep
  • Jackie Robinson (1919–1972), baseball player (changed parties after Goldwater nomination).
  • George Thompson Ruby (1841–1882), member of the Texas State Senate
  • George Lewis Ruffin (1834–1886), attorney, judge, Massachusetts state legislator, and Boston city councilman
  • Boyd Rutherford, Lieutenant Governor of Maryland
  • Michael Steele, 64th Chairman of the Republican National Committee
  • Dwayne Sawyer, State Auditor of Indiana
  • Paul H. Scott, Michigan State Representative
  • Tim Scott, U.S. Senator from South Carolina, first African-American senator to win election in the South since Reconstruction and former Representative South Carolina’s 1st Congressional District
  • Marvin Scott, congressional Candidate
  • Winsome Sears, member of the Virginia House of Delegates, 2004 Congressional Candidate
  • Tara Setmayer, former Communications Director for Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher in the U.S. House of Representatives (2006–2013) and current CNN Political Commentator (2014–present)
  • T.W. Shannon, current Oklahoma’s Speaker of the House
  • Robert Smalls, South Carolina
  • John J. Smith (1820-1906), abolitionist and Massachusetts state representative
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  • Princella Smith, 2010 Congressional Candidate, She PAC member
  • Robert Lloyd Smith, member of the Texas House of Representatives
  • Thomas S. Smith, member of the New Jersey General Assembly
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  • Thomas Sowell, economist, writer and commentator
  • Michael S. Steele, political commentator, former Lieutenant Governor of Maryland, former candidate for the U.S. Senate in 2006 and former elected chairman of the Republican National Committee (2009–2010)
  • Shelby Steele, author
  • James H. Stewart, member of the Texas House of Representatives
  • McCants Stewart, lawyer
  • Thomas Stith, III, member of the city council of Durham, North Carolina, 2004 Candidate for Lieutenant Governor, 2007 mayoral candidate for Durham, North Carolina, Chief of Staff to Governor Pat McCrory
  • Louis Wade Sullivan, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
  • Carol M. Swain, author and professor at Vanderbilt University
  • Lynn Swann, NFL player, former Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate
  • Willie Talton, representative in the Georgia General Assembly
  • Noel C. Taylor, mayor of Roanoke, Virginia (1975–1992)[18]
  • Arthur Teele, Assistant Secretary of Transportation
  • Clarence Thomas, associate justice of the United States Supreme Court
  • Thurman Thomas, Buffalo Bill, Republican activist, supported and campaigned for 2010 New York Republican Gubernatorial nominee Carl Paladino
  • Larry Thompson, United States Deputy Attorney General
  • Benjamin S. Turner, Alabama Congressman
  • Scott Turner, member of the Texas House of Representatives
  • James L. Usry, mayor of Atlantic City, New Jersey
  • Jill Upson, West Virginia House of Delegates
  • William T. Vernon, Register of the Treasury under President Theodore Roosevelt[19]
  • Dale Wainwright, Associate Justice of the Texas Supreme Court
  • Josiah Walls, U.S. Representative from Florida, and one of the first African-Americans to serve in the U.S. House
  • Booker T. Washington, educator and activist
  • Maurice Washington, Nevada State Senator
  • J. C. Watts, U.S. Representative from Oklahoma
  • Ida B. Wells, civil rights advocate, co-founder of the NAACP
  • Allen West, former U.S. Representative from Florida
  • John Francis Wheaton, member of the Minnesota House of Representatives
  • George Henry White, U.S. representative from North Carolina
  • James White, current member of the Texas House of Representatives
  • J. Ernest Wilkins, Sr., Assistant Secretary of Labor under President Eisenhower[20]
  • Armstrong Williams, radio and television commentator
  • Benjamin Franklin Williams, member of the Texas House of Representatives
  • Jeffrey L. Williams, President of the Republicans For Black Empowerment in Washington, D.C., commentator, educator
  • Michael L. Williams, Texas Railroad Commissioner
  • Butler R. Wilson (1861–1939), Boston civil rights activist
  • David S. Wilson (c. 1981–), member of the Alaska Senate 2017–present[21][22]
  • Jackie Winters, member of the Oregon State Senate
  • Shannon Wright, author of White Folks Guide to Understanding the Black Community, and Get Out the Vote, commentator and activist, 2016 candidate for Baltimore City Council President[23]
  • LaMetta Wynn, mayor of Clinton, Iowa (1995–2007)
  • James H. Young
  • William F. Yardley, anti-segregation advocate, first African American candidate for governor of Tennessee (1876)
  • Black conservatism (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_conservatism)
  • A small but steady share of U.S. Muslims are Republicans.
  • Republican Muslim Coalition: republicanmuslimcoalition.com/
  • Muslim women, Native Americans, and LGBTQ candidates had a night of historic wins. South Dakota’s Kristi Noem (Republican) became the state’s first female governor. More: www.vox.com/2018/11/7/18072658/midterm-election-results-historic-wins-muslim-native-american-women

As of 2018:

  • 322 Women (208D, 114R) have served in the U.S. Congress:
    • 40 (25D, 15R) in the Senate only;
    • 270 (174D, 96R) in the House only;
    • 12 (9D, 3R) in both the House and Senate;
    • 84 (61D, 23R) women from 33 states serve in the U.S. House

  • As of 2018, 64 women of color (60D, 4R) have served in the U.S. Congress to date: 37 have been Black, 13 Asian American/Pacific Islander, 13 Latina, and 1 multiracial;
  • As of 2018, 38 of the 107 women serving in Congress in 2018 are women of color: 18 are Black, 10 Latina, 9 Asian American/Pacific Islander and 1 multiracial.

phx8 wrote: The Democrats are incredibly diverse, including blacks, Muslims, and LGBT, representing the make-up of America. The Republicans? Eh, not so much. Just white identity politics as usual.
So, phx8 is clearly implying that conservatives and Republicans are racist. phx8 somehow believes all of the above proves conservatives and Republicans are racist. Why is phx8 always playing the race card?

phx8 is entitled to his opinion, no matter how worthless it usually is, but where is phx8’s proof that conservatives and the Republican party are racist?.
Especially, where is anything that comes close the to racist history of the Democrat party?

Posted by: d.a.n at November 16, 2018 6:50 PM
Comment #434460

“It is turning the GOP into a minority party which depends on obtaining power by suppressing votes and appealing to the worst in Americans, to racism and bigotry and misogyny.”

Your Brain-freeze comment should embarrass other Democrats on Watchblog. Holding a majority in all three branches of federal government; executive, legislative and judicial is hardly a minority.

The Liberals on WB have been starved for good news. phx8 and others have been predicting the impeachment of President Trump, recession, and wars. One shithead comedian even hoped for the decline of America. phx8 and his pseudo Commie Pals promote one-world government to be accomplished by glorifying globalism and tyranny.

Winning a near traditional number of house seats in a mid-term election has elated them. They write outrageous crap about “blue waves” and total takeover of government and bringing socialism in America to fruition.

As usual, all their claims of political dominance prove to be merely delusional intercourse with each other.

phx8 and Pals always over reach and under perform.

Man-made global warming has been debunked

War with Korea, Russia and China has been avoided

The United States is winning the trade wars

Illegal aliens attempting to invade the homeland have been stopped

Business harming and useless government regulations have been thrashed

Brett Kavanaugh has been proven completely innocent of bogus charges

The Mueller investigation is ending having failed to produce a single charge of collusion or obstruction against President Trump.

Our economy is the envy of the world

Millions of minorities are now working

and…the Left is jealous

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 16, 2018 7:23 PM
Comment #434464

d.a.n.,
It is good you are trying to learn something about the historical relationship between racism and political parties. Suggestion: get up to speed on what happened when the GOP & Democratic parties switched polarities over the Civil Rights movement, and the Southern Strategy. The party ideologies changed in the 50’s and 60’s, but the people and regions remained the same.

If you have never read the Chernow biography of Grant, I would recommend it. Some find it a heavy go, but the detailed research and especially the chapters on Reconstruction are interesting. As Faulkner said: “The past is never dead. It isn’t even past.”

RF,
“Holding a majority in all three branches of federal government; executive, legislative and judicial is hardly a minority.”

Controlling the branches of government is not the same as having a majority. In 2016 the majority of Americans voted on a nationwide basis for Democrats in the House, Senate, and White House.

“Winning a near traditional number of house seats in a mid-term election has elated them.”
You forgot the 7 governorships, across-the-board rule in 6 states, 3 initiatives that did away with gerrymandering, and over 300 state and local pick-ups.

“War with Korea, Russia and China has been avoided.”
That is a weird thing to say.

Posted by: phx8 at November 16, 2018 10:49 PM
Comment #434465

Notice how phx8 obfuscates, dodges the racist history of Democrats, dodges all questions, facts, and tries to play the race card at every chance possible.

phx8 wrote: if Tucker Carlson wants to spread hatred and white nationalism on FOX, he should expect consequences.
phx8 still has not provided any evidence of (exactly) what Tucker Carlson ever said that was racist?

phx8, j2t2, and ohrealy only know how to do one thing. Howl and scream that everyone that disagrees with them are: Racists ! , Fascists ! , Nazis ! , Brown Shirts ! , Beastialists ! , White Nationalists ! , Sexists ! , Misogynists ! , Xenophobes ! , Anti-Semites, Authoritarian Right-Wing Conservatives ! , and Bigots !.

…. and try to ignore the fact that Democrats have a long, long history of murder, discrimination, and racism:

  • Slavery (Democrats did that: source: www.britannica.com/topic/Democratic-Party ),
  • the KKK violence (Democrats did that; source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan),
  • Segregation (Democrats did that; source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats ),
  • Jim Crow laws (Democrats did that; source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws)
  • and many other historic abuses heaped on black Americans in the U.S. by the Democratic Party and its supporters, the political party responsible for all of that racism is now the one constantly shouting:
      “You’re a Racist !, Bigot !, Fascist !, Nazi !
    … and (despicably) pitting different racial groups against each other (i.e. especially, when it comes to despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes).

phx8 was quick to try to obscure the facts about the history of the Democrat party, but the fact is, Democrats are STILL trying to pit different racial groups against each other (i.e. especially, when it comes to despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes).

Posted by: d.a.n at November 16, 2018 11:21 PM
Comment #434467

More than 3 dozen sealed criminal indictments have been added to the federal court docket in Washington DC since the beginning of 2018.

this “d.a.n.” person is screwing up this site even more with his long posts which no one will ever read. They cause problems scrolling. Should be banned.

Posted by: ohrealy at November 16, 2018 11:42 PM
Comment #434502

There’s nothing more dangerous than an ignorant fascist.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 17, 2018 6:54 AM
Comment #434507

Gee d.a.n, you’re making ohrealy’s finger sore. He’s having a problem scrolling past your facts. (willful ignorance) He thinks your long comments should be banned. (thought police)

What would he say if we all decided his ignorant comments should be banned because they are hard to understand and makes our eyes sore trying to read them? Of course, he wouldn’t be able to say anything, would he, being banned and all?

What do you say, everyone? Should he be banned? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 17, 2018 11:24 AM
Comment #434508

WW,
ohrealy is right. If d.a.n. continues cutting and pasting those long posts he should be banned. The lists are out of date. No one reads them, as previous threads show, with Roy Ellis thanking him for those supposedly informative passages, and RF ‘speed-reading’ through them, yet neither even noticing the ridiculous, factually incorrect assertions, such as ‘the Iranians WILL build a bomb under Obama.’

Sorry. Don’t think I’ve ever called for a person to be banned from this site. But he was banned before, and it is easy to see why.

Posted by: phx8 at November 17, 2018 11:35 AM
Comment #434509

Ha! Funny… ohrealy, phx8, and j2t2 are in trouble IF playing the race-card is ever banned.

I actually would NOT want ohrealy, phx8, or j2t2 to be banned, because they are the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: d.a.n at November 17, 2018 11:43 AM
Comment #434510

I bet phx8, j2t2, and ohrealy would not mind lengthy posts IF they contain what they like…. such as repeatedly calling conservatives and Republicans (or anyone who disagrees with them):

Racists ! , Fascists ! , Nazis ! , Brown Shirts ! , Beastialists ! , White Nationalists ! , Sexists ! , Misogynists ! , Xenophobes ! , Anti-Semites, Authoritarian Right-Wing Conservatives ! , and Bigots !

What they dislike most might be their own comments?

Posted by: d.a.n at November 17, 2018 11:50 AM
Comment #434511

I don’t want anyone to be banned either. It’s no problem for me to have a good laugh at ohrealy’s comments. It’s like laughing at a small child’s cute antics.

phx8, however, showed his true colors by saying d.a.n should be banned for outdated comments. I think he’s calling them fake news. Does he also think MSNBC and CNN should be banned? His support for banning commenters also reinforces my belief that phx8 is also David R. Remer.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 17, 2018 12:25 PM
Comment #434512
The lists are out of date. No one reads them, as previous threads show, with Roy Ellis thanking him for those supposedly informative passages, and RF ‘speed-reading’ through them, yet neither even noticing the ridiculous, factually incorrect assertions, such as ‘the Iranians WILL build a bomb under Obama.’


Not to mention the myths, misinformation, half truths and outright lies included in D.’s posts. When called on it D. doesn’t have the decency to correct the mistakes made when copying this stuff from the discredited far right sites he gets his propaganda from. Instead he ignores them.

I mean deciding on your position on any issue is easier when you have truth and facts, but those are slim pickings in D.’s onslaught of misinformation. Have you noticed how he combines his “facts” so as to attempt to tar the entire group instead of individuals? I for one am proud of what I have said yet he combines everything and by doing so out words into my mouth that I haven’t said, making them misinformation instead of facts. Although I have to say my words of wisdom, if he would only keep up on them, keeps me entertained. Even if they lack context and are modified to fit his narrative. They do show how misguided D. is in general.

To be honest I noticed D. actually used info from VOX for a change! an attaboy is due after all those fairus deluges. So good job D. For once I don’t feel dumbed down by your gaslighting.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 17, 2018 12:31 PM
Comment #434513

Have you noticed how he combines his “facts” so as to attempt to tar the entire group instead of individuals?

I’ve noticed that you continuously claim that all conservatives are Nazis and fascists and racists. Should you be banned also?

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 17, 2018 12:39 PM
Comment #434514

j2t2, Thanks!
phx8, Yes, I have been banned in the past, but not for anything the reached the level of the following:

  • j2t2 wrote: I am proud of each and every one of my comments you have listed here. In fact I am especially proud of the donkey show comment.
  • j2t2 wrote: Now you act surprised and try to deflect the blame! Go f**k yourselves. Point the finger at yourselves for buying into the stupid propaganda you have bought into.
  • j2t2 wrote: I mean I don’t call anyone that I disagree with names, just those that support the far right or are politically on the far right.
  • j2t2 wrote: Jeezus what a bunch of f**ktards these repubs are.
  • Ohrealy wrote: Take your memory pill, as well as the other ones, paranoid jackass, we have already had this conversation before.
  • phx8 wrote: Prejudice against immigrants among U.S. whites is NOT new … So what is happening today is NOT new, or some sort of intractable problem. Racism and bigotry from the rural, white crowds of Trump reflect a long American tradition of hatred.
  • phx8 wrote: Not the majority. 30% [of Americans are racist] seems about right.

Oh….by the way, I removed that Iranian bomb from my list weeks ago. Thanks for the correction.

Again, what phx8, j2t2, and ohrealy seem to dislike most might be their own comments?

Posted by: d.a.n at November 17, 2018 12:41 PM
Comment #434515

Look, d.a.n ! You’ve redeemed yourself by using a liberal-approved source (VOX)!

Now, all we have to do to state our case is to use articles from liberal-approved sites! What would phx8 and j2t2 do if we found sources on their liberal-approved sites that contradict their groupthink?
They would helicopter off into the stratosphere because their heads would be spinning so much!

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 17, 2018 12:46 PM
Comment #434516

LOL! Must have really hit a nerve to cause such a meltdown, eh ? : )

Posted by: d.a.n at November 17, 2018 1:12 PM
Comment #434517

Yea! Did you see them unmelt? Kinda like the Democratics retaking the house. It’s too bad for them the fire is still raging.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 17, 2018 1:30 PM
Comment #434520

LOL! So, if you don’t like Webster or Merriam, just Google up (or, perhaps, Facebook, Twitter, or Jim Acosta?) a new definition, eh?

Posted by: d.a.n at November 17, 2018 1:47 PM
Comment #434522

It’s obvious where j2t2, phx8, and ohrealy get their opinions from. The difference between google and ddg is as different as my and phx8’s opinion. Which one is correct? How do we know which one is correct? How do you prove the definition of a word is such when there’s such a difference between the provided definitions?

I asked a question before. Do we understand the terms used by the person we’re debating? Do words mean the same thing to both sides? That meme throws a lot of doubt on the subject.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 17, 2018 2:03 PM
Comment #434523

The real problem is most likely the “extreme” form, as wiht extremes of many things. Some Nationalism seems harmless enough (i.e. not wanting some arrogant Globalists and foreigners to believe they can run the U.S.A.), but the extreme form of Nationalism could be a bad thing.

  • Encyclopaedia Britannica: Nationalism - ideology based on the premise that the individual’s loyalty and devotion to the nation-state surpass other individual or group interests.
  • Dictionary.com: Nationalism - (1)spirit or aspirations common to the whole of a nation; (2)devotion and loyalty to one’s own country; patriotism; (3)excessive patriotism; chauvinism.
  • Merriam-Webster Dictionary: Nationalism - (1)loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness; exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups Intense nationalism was one of the causes of the war; (2) a nationalist movement or government
    opposing nationalisms;
  • Vocabulary.com: Nationalism - Nationalism is the belief that your own country is better than all others. Sometimes nationalism makes people not want to work with other countries to solve shared problems.
  • Google: Nationalism - (1)patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts. synonyms:patriotism, patriotic sentiment, flag-waving, xenophobia, chauvinism, jingoism “their extreme nationalism was frightening”; (2)an extreme form of this, especially marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries. plural noun: nationalisms; (3)advocacy of political independence for a particular country.
Unfortunately, some Democrats prefer to choose the extreme form to attribute to Trump’s statement: “I’m a Nationlist.”
For example:
phx8 wrote: So, yeah. A U.S. President declaring “I’m a nationalist” scares the crap out of anyone who knows anything about history.

Posted by: d.a.n at November 17, 2018 2:29 PM
Comment #434526

It brings up another contradiction in liberal thinking. They feel nationalism is a fault. They believe the U.S. is no better than any other country. They also refuse to leave this country for another that better suits their beliefs.

That is a contradiction. One of many in the liberal mindset.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 17, 2018 3:24 PM
Comment #434527

Yeah. Reminds of illegal immigrants marching through Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, on their way to the U.S., and they are waving flags of the countries they are leaving, and some illegal (and legal) immigrants in the U.S. are burning the U.S. flag. IF the U.S. is so bad (so bad, that they feel compelled to burn the U.S. flag), then why do they want, so badly, to come to the U.S. ?
Sources:

  • www.caller.com/story/news/local/2018/06/30/video-shows-man-burning-u-s-flag-south-texas-immigration-rally/743128002/
  • www.foxnews.com/us/protesters-burn-american-flag-outside-washington-state-detention-center-ordered-to-vacate
  • knowyourmeme.com/photos/1130747-donald-trump-rally-protests
  • www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBtSdwRqLbc
  • Two people burn a United States flag during a protest in favor of the caravan of migrants that was currently stuck at the Guatemala-Mexico border, in front of the American embassy, in Tegucigalpa, Honduras, Friday, Oct. 19, 2018,” (AP Photo).
  • www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/01/tucker_carlson_on_caravan_waving_a_flag_is_what_you_do_in_triumph_when_you_invade_a_country.html
  • www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/
  • www.cnsnews.com/blog/eric-scheiner/american-flags-burned-mexican-flags-waved-post-election-protests

Why?

Posted by: d.a.n at November 17, 2018 4:01 PM
Comment #434529

Because they are doing exactly what Jim Acosta denies. They’re invading our country.

Liberals are in denial on this issue. They see Democratics walking across that border, not human beings. Liberals will allow an invasion because they think those marching here will be loyal to Democratics. They refuse to believe anything else could happen.

It reminds me of the scorpion and the frog.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 17, 2018 4:16 PM
Comment #434531

The unholy trinity of phx8, j2t2, and ohrealy want d.a.n. banned. Hmmm…no surprise, they are simply acting like Nazi’s and Commies burning books. We are not at all surprised.

The Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist/Fascist cabal always stands for limiting speech and thought.

We are not at all surprised. These are the critters that despise our Founders, and what they believed, and the Democratic Republic they created. They embrace public disorder and law breakers, flag burning, rioting, election cheating, the working class, moms, abortion on demand and apple pie.

Rudeness and crudeness becomes them. We recognize them by the 666 stamped on their hearts.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 17, 2018 5:34 PM
Comment #434532

Correction; They embrace public disorder and law breakers, flag burning, rioting, election cheating, abortion on demand; and hate the working class, moms, and apple pie.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 17, 2018 5:38 PM
Comment #434536

now to get back to flukey flake
. I live in the same small town in AZ that flukey lives in and he has no respect to or from him and his family wish he would move to ocasio’s neighborhood.

Posted by: tom humes at November 17, 2018 7:17 PM
Comment #434550

My friend D. amongst other claims tell us “j2t2 wrote: I mean I don’t call anyone that I disagree with names, just those that support the far right or are politically on the far right. ” IMHO it is just one of the words of wisdom I have written here on WB. D., of course disagrees, and gets angrier as he claims I call him and others here fascist” amongst other things. Yet none of our conservatives friends here on WB are willing to tell us which issues they disagree with the fascist group the Proud Boyd on.

So rather than D. not keeping up on my words of wisdom, Yes I am envious that Ohrealy has jumped ahead of me in total numbers and doing so while speaking truth to ignorance, lets find out why our supposedly conservative friends here on WB have the same stance on issues as the “Western Chauvinists” (LOL). Gotta wonder why they put such an ugly color of lipstick on that pig dontcha.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 18, 2018 3:18 PM
Comment #434551

Royaltells us “d.a.n., early on after reading a few comments by “Ohrealy” I made the decision not to respond to any of his posts. I am glad I made that decision.”

Smart move Royal. We get our share of your myths and misinformation when you do manage to comment. What I have noticed is how you manage to speak ignorance to truth so ineffectively lately. Anyway I appreciate this decision of yours and perhaps others do as well. The way you slobber all over anything D. copies and pastes perhaps instead of a full shot of your anger and hatred in the future you could ask D. to cut and paste your vitriol and you could use numbers to respond…just an idea.

As far as the midterms it seems what has happened is a wave, perhaps not a blue wave perhaps a blue wave, but definitely a youth wave and a minority wave judging by who voted in the midterms.. We see the dems returning to their BC(before Clinton)ideals, a result of the younger generations wanting to have their children growing up in an America pre-Reagan revolution, in the golden age of the baby boomers. So it seems the time has come for a changing of the guard. Instead of Corporate America giving marching orders to conservatives it is time for conservatives to slither back under the rocks they came out from under and leave the world alone. It would be a better place.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 18, 2018 3:41 PM
Comment #434553

Only a political fool doesn’t recognize good governance j2t2. I give Reagan and Clinton praise for their presidential accomplishments that helped all Americans.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 18, 2018 4:55 PM
Comment #434556

Royal, I would suggest only a political fool would think the corruption of the Reagan administration was good governance. Only a political fool would think the same team that told them government is the problem would think the same team is the answer.


Corruption and nepotism isn’t good governance as the Trump administration has proven once again.

Only a political fool would believe the Mueller investigation with it’s record of indictments is taking to long while the repub HoR investigation with it’s dismal results isn’t taking to long. It is this type of thinking from so many political fools that has got us to a dysfunctional government of the Trump administration. If you are one of those that believe government cannot do anything right then you are amongst the political fools I refer to.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 18, 2018 5:25 PM
Comment #434557

It appears j2t2 political blinders have caused him to misunderstand both the Reagan and Clinton administrations accomplishments that helped all Americans.

This poor Liberal boob floats from Mueller to dysfunctional government with a leap that would impress any Marvel Comic Book hero.

Wearing both blinders and earplugs our Liberal Pal seems capable of only “sniffing” out “fake news” while truth is unrecognizable.

We like our Liberals and Progressives this way. Uninformed, misled, bamboozled and unaware.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 18, 2018 5:58 PM
Comment #434558

Nice deflection Royal, just couldn’t face up to the corruption issue I see. So typical yet so sad. Why not man up like a real conservative and address the problems instead of deflection, projection and cognitive dissonance?

Posted by: j2t2 at November 18, 2018 6:57 PM
Comment #434559

I’ll just take a book report on the link you provided j2t2. Give us a two minute summary.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 18, 2018 7:03 PM
Comment #434561

OK Royal how about the first link? which of these do not define our conservative friends on WB as well as most conservatives nationwide?
Pro cop
Pro ICE
Pro law and Order
Pro Life
“Pro American Values”
Anti illegal immigration

Posted by: j2t2 at November 18, 2018 8:12 PM
Comment #434564
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
One of the greatest advantages of the totalitarian elites of the twenties and thirties was to turn any statement of fact into a question of motive.
The greatest enemy of authority, therefore, is contempt, and the surest way to undermine it is laughter.
The chief qualification of a mass leader has become unending infallibility; he can never admit an error.

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Posted by: ohrealy at November 18, 2018 10:35 PM
Comment #434576

Is j2t2 now criticizing people who?:

Support the Police.
Support ICE.
Support Law and Order.
Pro-Life (though the law allows choice).
Pro American Values.
Anti-illegal immigration.

Yes, those are values of many conservative s. I recognize the laws that allow abortion (women have rights too), but understand why many abhor abortion. Which of those do you not support?

Posted by: d.a.n at November 19, 2018 5:12 AM
Comment #434581

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Posted by: sahmat hussian at November 19, 2018 8:27 AM
Comment #434583

“Yet none of our conservatives friends here on WB are willing to tell us which issues they disagree with the fascist group the Proud Boyd on.”

I disagree with them on abolishing prison, giving everyone a gun, and shutting down government. Not exactly fascist in any sense, so maybe our leftist friends here on WB would be willing to tell us which of their beliefs make them fascists.

Posted by: kctim at November 19, 2018 9:59 AM
Comment #434586

RE: Jeff Flake: In an interview with Jake Tapper (CNN), AZ Senator Jeff Flake says that his state is winnable for a Democrat in the 2020 Presidential election. He also said the GOP will need a 2020 challenger against Trump. Jeff Flake told The Arizona Republic that he is convinced “there may not be a place for a Republican like me in the current Republican climate or the current Republican Party.”. Perhaps Sinema will do better? McSally probably would have been the best outcome.

j2t2 wrote: he claims I call him and others here fascist” amongst other things.
Yes, because it is true. Not only that, but the following too (whether it be implied, insinuated, or outright name-calling):
  • j2t2 wrote: I am proud of each and every one of my comments you have listed here.
  • j2t2 wrote: Now you act surprised and try to deflect the blame! Go f**k yourselves. Point the finger at yourselves for buying into the stupid propaganda you have bought into.
  • j2t2 wrote: Jeezus what a bunch of f**ktards these repubs are.
  • j2t2 wrote: I am not calling anyone a Nazi.
  • j2t2 wrote: you complain about the fascist tag you guys on the right have earned.
  • j2t2 wrote: Welcome to Trump’s America, Zeig Heil !
  • j2t2 wrote: It may not be fascism, it may be oligarchy that is the problem but never the less you guys are helping to turn us into something we don’t want to be.
  • j2t2 wrote (comparing conservatives on Watch Blog to “Beastialists” or those that like to watch Beastiality): I didn’t imply anything of the sort. This is what I said “What’s the difference between the Gringo tourist at the Tijuana Donkey Show and the conservatives on WB [Watchblog] that believe the repubs on the intelligence committee actually have something of substance to show the American people?”
  • j2t2 wrote (comparing Trump supporters to Nazis): Oh look a Trump rally [see video of Nazis supporters in 1939] . God , the flag, nationalism, returning America to the people who founded it, and a liberal protestor to beat on.
  • j2t2 wrote: In fact right now I’m rather proud that you have spent the time going through the archives hunting for my words of wisdom.
HHHMmmmm … so, what part of that is false? Why not own it, since you say you are “rather proud” of it?
phx8 wrote: if Tucker Carlson wants to spread hatred and white nationalism on FOX, he should expect consequences.
phx8 still has not provided any evidence of (exactly) what Tucker Carlson ever said that was racist? Posted by: d.a.n at November 19, 2018 2:35 PM
Comment #434589

“Pro cop
Pro ICE
Pro law and Order
Pro Life
“Pro American Values”
Anti illegal immigration”

I fully support all those positions j2t2.

I am also;

Pro Constitution
Pro work
Pro God
Pro capitalism
Pro Democratic Republic
Pro American flag
Pro military
Pro freedom
Pro helping the helpless
Pro peace

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 19, 2018 3:38 PM
Comment #434590

In 2018 leftist world, that all makes you a fascist nazi, Royal.

Posted by: kctim at November 19, 2018 3:54 PM
Comment #434591

I plead guilty kctim

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 19, 2018 3:57 PM
Comment #434594

We’ll have to let the three branches of congress take care of it after they’re inaugurated.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 19, 2018 5:50 PM
Comment #434595

Like, you know, we’ll have to like, wait until after we like, get rid of Pelosi. Then we can like, also get rid of that dumb shooty thing in that like, old piece of paper those racist old white guys like, wrote.

like, #democratsocialistmarchwithantifa

Posted by: kctim at November 19, 2018 6:01 PM
Comment #434596

I am actually surprised that j2t2 threw those items out there, and then did not answer the question.

So, it really makes one wonder?
IF j2t2 is against the following, then I just now realized how far, far, far we are apart on our beliefs.

Pro Law and Order, and Pro police, Pro ICE
Anti-illegal immigration
Pro Constitution
Pro Democratic Republic
Pro Freedom
Pro Helping the truly needy
Pro Peace

phx8 wrote: As for immigration, I would be fine with open borders.
phx8 also lied: If Tucker Carlson wants to spread hatred and white nationalism on FOX, he should expect consequences.
By the way, phx8 still still has not provided any evidence of (exactly) what Tucker Carlson ever said that was racist? Like j2t2, phx8 likes to play the race card a lot.
Posted by: d.a.n at November 19, 2018 7:23 PM
Comment #434622

“Like j2t2, phx8 likes to play the race card a lot.”

They also won’t debate their false claims, either. Which is usually the case when claims are based on only assumption and opinion.

Hate, fear and lies are all they have, d.a.n. Of course, with 90+% percent of the media in their pocket, that’s really all they need.

Posted by: kctim at November 20, 2018 9:54 AM
Comment #434625

“I just now realized how far, far, far we are apart on our beliefs”

It’s more about them putting party before country and their inability to be consistent in their beliefs.

A few short years ago they were bending over backwards to distort and ignore facts in order to defend Hillary. When that no longer worked, they deflected to ‘no conviction, no crime, end of story.’ Today, they use rumors and opinions to condemn Trump and demand his impeachment and arrest.

A few short years ago, their own politicians were making the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants, and calling for better border control. Support that today and they call you a racist.

A few short years ago, supporting things like traditional marriage, men’s and women’s bathrooms, freedom of speech, and our Constitution, meant a difference of opinion with those who did not. Supporting those thing today makes you a fascist nazi.

I could go on and on with example after example of their hypocrisy.

It’s not that we are far, far, far apart in our beliefs, it’s that they are willing to go to any length to get their way. Even if it means putting their country and their fellow Americans at great risk.

Posted by: kctim at November 20, 2018 11:47 AM
Comment #434632

Well we are getting closer to a comprehensive list but you guys seem to have forgotten Mom and apple pie. Will you be adding that to the list D.?

Posted by: j2t2 at November 20, 2018 3:40 PM
Comment #434634

We all know how easily the barrel of apples is spoiled by the rotten one.

The Far-Left gained a real toe-hold in American politics with the advent of the Obama administration. He, and his administration convinced the weak of mind and moral that bad was good. He gained the support of much of the media and we were on our way to destruction.

The weak of mind and moral are easily led and easily persuaded. The Liberal politicians convince some that America is bad, that they have been cheated, that they deserve what others have earned; and “shazam”, magically these politicians have a following and media support. We find this today in the election of Ocasio Cortez. This woman is the face of the Progressive Left. She is totally ignorant, and totally corruptible. I don’t believe she will make it to the end of her first two year term without being indicted for criminality.

Soon, big money notices an opportunity to exploit the weak of mind and moral; and a downhill race to corruption and debasement begins.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 20, 2018 5:00 PM
Comment #434637

Evidently you guys also support a president who allows a foreign dictator to murder an American citizen without any consequences. Any mention of morals and weak minds is not yours to make.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 20, 2018 6:13 PM
Comment #434638

Therefore, enlighten us as to what you think the President should do, j2.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at November 20, 2018 8:21 PM
Comment #434666

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Posted by: sahmathussian at November 21, 2018 8:18 AM
Comment #434673
j2t2 wrote: Evidently you guys also support a president who allows a foreign dictator to murder an American citizen without any consequences. Any mention of morals and weak minds is not yours to make.
Wrong again.

Khashoggi was not a U.S. citizen.

Like Roy Ellis asked, what do you suggest be done about it?
Many other countries have many human rights violations (e.g. China, NK, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Yemen, Turkey, Russia, Myanmar, etc.)

Posted by: d.a.n at November 21, 2018 1:09 PM
Comment #434677

Khashoggi went into self-imposed exile (from Saudi Arabia in JUN-2017) not long after being banned from journalism in Saudi Arabia, so that he could continue to work as a journalist. He was not a U.S. citizen.

Saudi Arabia fired 5 top officials, and arrested 18, and charged 11 people for killing Jamal Khashoggi at the consulate in Istanbul, Turkey. Also, 5 of the suspects may face the death penalty.

It is possible, but seems unlikely that the Saudi Crown Prince did not know about the operation at the Consulate (in Istanbul) in advance. Perhaps the Saudi Crown Prince (Mohammed bin Salman) may have authorized the arrest/kidnapping (but not the assassination) of Jamal Khashoggi, but Khashoggi was accidentally killed?

Do you believe that the Saudi Crown Prince (a)would and/or (b)could get away with both:

  • ordering the assassination of Jamal Khashoggi,
  • and then also seeking the death penalty for 5 of the perpetrators?

IF the Saudi Crown Prince did know something in advance about the assassination, then he is doing an effective job of trying to make it look like he genuinely had no prior knowledge of it (especially by seeking the death penalty for 5 of his loyal subjects)?

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Comment #434703

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Posted by: Sketch Crack at November 22, 2018 10:51 AM
Comment #434711

D. tells us “It is possible, but seems unlikely that the Saudi Crown Prince did not know about the operation at the

He was not a U.S. citizen.

No you are right he wasn’t …yet. He was a resident on a Genius Visa and was applying for a green card. He was a journalist and three of his children are US citizens.

D. tells us “Perhaps the Saudi Crown Prince (Mohammed bin Salman) may have authorized the arrest/kidnapping (but not the assassination) of Jamal Khashoggi, but Khashoggi was accidentally killed? “

Because you send 15 hitmen to arrest the old guy and they just happen to carry a bone saw to your own embassy in Turkey to arrest someone! But then you and the 14 others kill him instead so, of course, what choice do you have but to dismember him after the “accidental” death. I guess you then pray to Allah for having the wisdom to have remembered the bone saw.
Give me strength Lord, gimme strength. Now our far right friends are covering for the Saudi prince because… Putin just wasn’t enough when you are protecting the Donald at all costs. Oh and profit from arms sales.

D. also queries us with this gem “Do you believe that the Saudi Crown Prince (a)would and/or (b)could get away with both:
ordering the assassination of Jamal Khashoggi,
and then also seeking the death penalty for 5 of the perpetrators?”

This is true POG/30’s thinking D., maybe the SCP is killing off the 5 who can prove he directed them to kill the American journalist. They did botch the job and got caught after all. If they were, in fact, the same people who murdered the American journalist. How do you know these aren’t 5 guys from some Saudi prison that were already sentenced to death? Because Trump said or because the SCP said so!

American journalist deserves better than this.

You guys shouldn’t even be allowed to use the words morals or ethics you have fallen so far.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 22, 2018 6:48 PM
Comment #434743

That sounds remarkably like an opinion, j2t2. Who made you the word police?

I wonder how many times the Democratics and their lapdog MSM concocted a story that resembles this one. RussiaRussiaRussia didn’t work so now they’re trying SaudiSaudiSaudi. How long will this faux outrage ooze out into the public?

Democratics need to try something different. Manufacturing outrage isn’t working for you guys any longer. Perhaps, instead of telling Republicans they can’t say something, maybe you should put your thinking caps on and try to come up with something positive for a change.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 23, 2018 12:56 PM
Comment #434750

Zeig Heil Weary Zeig Heil. What you trying to do my friend usurp the crown from D. for the monthly Goebbels award? Despite a solid attempt with this comment, D. has been going so strong this month I doubt you could do enough in the next week to get over the top of his effort to mislead and misinform.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 23, 2018 3:14 PM
Comment #434751

Hmmm…should we invade Saudi Arabia, execute everyone in the Royal Family, and invite the “reasonable” Mullahs of Iran to rule the country?

We all know that the Saudi’s do not adhere to our Western values, but we continue to do business with them if possible.

I do not now, and have never; advocated cutting off my nose to spite my face. The United States has worked with many rogue regimes to the benefit of this country.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 23, 2018 3:38 PM
Comment #434752

Royal …well at least you didn’t go full nuclear in this pathetic attempt to put the Messiah on a pedestal. Good job.


How many rogue regimes killed an American journalist in an embassy without a consequence? Oh, wait you just have to have an apples and orange comparison to defend the Trump at any cost.


Several more civilized countries have suspended arms sales to the Saudis. Of course, they probably recognize the need for a free press in this country than Trump does. POG/30’s.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 23, 2018 4:02 PM
Comment #434754

Dear j2t2,

We would deeply appreciate your wisdom on this matter. Please tell us how the president should proceed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 23, 2018 4:09 PM
Comment #434756

The president has many options, he has failed to do anything but criticize the man who killed Osama Bin Laden while kissing SCP a** all in the same week.

t this point it isn’t what Trump should do but what the American public should do. Unfortunately, the morally bankrupt right wing in this country deems arms sales more important than the life of a journalist killed for speaking truth to power.

Here on WB and across the right-wing media, IMHO, Trump apologist should be denouncing Trump. It is that simple. Until he has a drop in ratings significant enough to gain his attention he will continue to run interference for the SCP. Just as he has done with Putin, Duarte, Jong-un and other dictators every time he gets a chance.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 23, 2018 4:37 PM
Comment #434757

What we know

Posted by: j2t2 at November 23, 2018 4:48 PM
Comment #434758

Many Thanks to j2t2 for expressing his non-insight into how the United States should respond to the Khashoggi killing. While calling Conservatives every possible nasty name in response to our ideas, our Pal j2t2 has no answers at all.

All that is necessary to show j2t2 is a fraud, is to ask him for his opinion on an important national issue. He has no opinion. He can only criticize those who do have an opinion.

j2t2 is devoid of answers that don’t come from some Liberal source. He is a parrot, not a prophet. He adds nothing of value to the debate.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 23, 2018 5:09 PM
Comment #434759

It took Obama over a year to get the guy that killed James Foley and many others. Yet j2t2 wants immediate results concerning something that has nothing to do with us.

Obama himself killed an American journalist with drones. Later he killed his American born son with a drone.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 23, 2018 5:45 PM
Comment #434761

oops here is the link
what we know

Posted by: j2t2 at November 23, 2018 6:10 PM
Comment #434762

We must once again thank j2t2 for providing a link to what others think. What does j2t2 think? Don’t ask, don’t tell.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 23, 2018 6:19 PM
Comment #434763

No Royal the many thanks should go to you. Your ignorant deflection that I just didn’t cooperate with doesn’t prove anything but the desperation in so many Trump apologist.

I choose to deal with what Trump has done to negate damage to his personal business dealings. The man has discredited the CIA and instead has lied and covered up for the Saudi crown prince. You and other Trump apologist have been complicit in this cover up with your foolish ramblings, your foolish deflections.

Trump has sanctioned some Saudi citizens for the murder…so what when you are gonna be beheaded …right”, yet he refuses to sanction the SCP who the CIA says ordered the hit on the American journalist…because Iran is a danger to the world. Oh and Saudi is our friend. But he would allow a murderer to go free instead of insisting the Saudis charge him with the crime as well. Because he is part of the Royal family. So much for the conservatives here in America telling us all about their rule of law principles…right? This two-tiered justice system seems to be what you guys want.


Weary…really! Comparing terrorist who captured an American journalist and the SCP ordering a hit! WTF is the matter with you? Are you so far down the rabbit hole of Trumpism that you can no longer think for yourself? Next, you will be blaming the WAPO for the assassination of the American journalist.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 23, 2018 6:28 PM
Comment #434767

We wonder if j2t2 plagiarized this wording (foolish ramblings, foolish deflections) from Chairman Mao’s “Little Red Book”. No doubt Mao’s book has an honored place on the bookshelf next to “Mein Kampf”.

OK j2t2, we get it. You don’t agree with President Trump. President Trump should…?

So tell us, please; what would you do?

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 23, 2018 6:55 PM
Comment #434778

The sad thing is, Royal, you probably do wonder just that. But that says more about you than it says about me. I’m not surprised you choose to beat the “what would you do” drum as if it were important and would resolve anything. I suggest you read up on what other repubs have said about Trumps refusal to do anything about the SCP and his involvement in the assassination of an American journalist.


The inability of most conservatives here on WB to criticize Trump for anything is well known. To support him regardless of what he says or does is well know. It has resulted in the loss of any credibility you may have had. So keep quiet about his criticisms of the former navy seal while he is defending the murderer. We expect that from you guys. Remember you have given up the moral high ground as well Royal.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 23, 2018 8:49 PM
Comment #434779

j2t2, Nobody is condoning the murder of Jumal Khashoggi, no matter how hard you want to make it look that way.

Still, you have not answered what should be done about it.
The U.S. leveled 17 sanctions against 17 Saudis involved in the death of Khashoggi.

So, the CIA stated that the Crown Prince ordered the murder of Khashoggi? IF that is true, that does change things.

What do you suggest be done about it?
Many other countries have many human rights violations (e.g. China, NK, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Yemen, Turkey, Russia, Myanmar, etc.), and some are far, far, far worse.

Should we nuke all of them?
Really, exactly what is your recommendation?

Perhaps we should cancel any arms sales to Saudi Arabia.
Perhaps we should treat Saudi Arabia like we are treating Iran? Is that your recommendation? I think that would be justifiable.

But, not for Khashoggi … for 15 of the 19 hijackers from Saudi Arabia that (on 11-SEP-2001), 19 illegal immigrants killed 2,996 people, and more than 6,000 others injured. The immediate deaths included 265 on the four planes (including the terrorists), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon. The attacks were the deadliest terrorist act in world history, and the most devastating foreign attack on United States soil since the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. As of September 28, 2008, a total of over 33,000 police officers, firefighters, responders, and community members have been treated for injuries and sickness related to the 9/11 attacks in New York City, including respiratory conditions, mental health problems like PTSD and depression, gastrointestinal conditions, and at least 4,166 cases of cancer; according to one advocacy group “more cops have died of illness linked to the attack than had perished in it”. The 19 perpetrators of 11-SEP-2001 were illegal immigrants, 18 of the 19 terrorist hijackers on 11-SEP-2001 possessed state-issued and/or counterfeit driver’s licenses or ID cards and ALL 19 had obtained Social Security numbers. 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, and the others were from the United Arab Emirates(2), Egypt(1), and Lebanon(1). All 19 were affiliated with Al-Qaeda (a radical Sunni Muslim organization dedicated to the elimination of a Western presence in Arab countries and militantly opposed to Western foreign policy: founded by Osama bin Laden in 1988).

Posted by: d.a.n at November 23, 2018 11:30 PM
Comment #434780

Unfortunately, j2t2, phx8, and many Democrats want open borders.
On 11-SEP-2001, 19 illegal immigrants killed 2,996 people.
For example:

phx8 wrote: As for immigration, I would be fine with open borders.

Posted by: d.a.n at November 23, 2018 11:33 PM
Comment #434781

j2t2, phx8, and many Democrats have some very interesting ways of prioritizing.

Many Democrats and many on the left call for restricting or eliminating 2nd Amendment rights, and say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”.

IF j2t2, phx8, and many Democrats are truly concerned about U.S. citizens (and Khashoggi, who was not a U.S. citizen, but living in the U.S.), why do the want open borders?

What does j2t2, phx8 and many Democrats have to say about the following victims and survivors of these victims of crimes by illegal immigrants (thousands of crimes per year, which could have been prevented)?:

Posted by: d.a.n at November 23, 2018 11:39 PM
Comment #434789
Many other countries have many human rights violations (e.g. China, NK, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Yemen, Turkey, Russia, Myanmar, etc.), and some are far, far, far worse.

How many of these violations are for murdering an American journalist at their embassy to get papers to be married?

The problem D. is Trump has supported the SCP instead of the American journalist. He has shown us his inability to lead, he has backed down from anything but sanctioning 17 individuals, WTF is that? Especially when the SCP isn’t one of the 17. The man that is responsible for ordering the assassination isn’t sanctioned what kind of cowardly president is Trump? Not only that he has chosen to publicly contradict the CIA on the issue.

Of course, his apologist has sided with him which is just as abominable.

So what I think ought to be done simply is relevant. It is what has been done by Trump and his followers that is relevant. You guys spout rule of law but when Trump says no you agree, WTF is that about? Are arm sales to a dictator more important? Not too many other countries that value liberty and a free press.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 24, 2018 1:31 AM
Comment #434801

J2t2, You failed to read what I wrote, which was (after I saw that the CIA saif SCP ordered the assassination of Khashoggi):

Perhaps we should cancel any arms sales to Saudi Arabia.
Perhaps we should treat Saudi Arabia like we are treating Iran? Is that your recommendation? I think that would be justifiable.

But not only due to Khashoggi, but also for 11-Sep-2001 too. 15 of 19 perpetrators were from Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: d.a.n at November 24, 2018 3:58 AM
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Again, Khashoggi was not a U.S. citizen.

If j2t2 and phx8 want to discuss hypocrisy….what about Democrats and many on the left call for restricting or eliminating 2nd Amendment rights, and say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”.

IF j2t2, phx8, and many Democrats are truly concerned about U.S. citizens (about 1000 killed per year by illegal immigrants, and Khashoggi, who was not a U.S. citizen, but living in the U.S.), why do they want open borders?

Posted by: d.a.n at November 24, 2018 4:03 AM
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Of course, we know the answer……it is about pandering to get more Democrat voters. Despicable.

Posted by: d.a.n at November 24, 2018 4:09 AM
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“Remember you have given up the moral high ground as well Royal.”

OH, MY; I hear a disembodied voice. Is it a ghost? Is it a specter? Is it a phantom? Nope, none of these, it is just our friendly wraith j2t2.

Our Liberal Pal j2t2 is all shook up over the killing of one person by agents of another country. Ask him about millions of fetuses, some actually born, that are systematically killed every year in the United States. These deaths are justified by the Left as…wait for it…as, a woman’s choice.

Excuse me j2t2, what was that about “moral high ground”?

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 24, 2018 3:04 PM
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Democratics have never said they have the moral high ground. They only say Republicans have to hold to their own standard. Don’t expect j2t2 to admit to having any moral values.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 24, 2018 3:46 PM
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Weary, I once asked our Liberal Pals, especially the atheists, from where they got their morals. I can’t recall all the answers but it certainly was interesting. Most replied that morals are fashioned, over time, from consensual agreement.

Translation: If it feels good it is good.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 24, 2018 4:05 PM
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