If Kavanaugh Is/Isn't Confirmed - What Next?

Nathan Gonzalez at The Hill was recently predicting that the House mid-terms are shaping up to definitely be a binary situation: either great or good; for Democrats that is. So, what to make of the suddenly closing intensity gap between GOP voters and Democrat voters? The NPR, PBS, and Marist University poll reduced the gap from around 8 points down to 2 points as voter intensity on both sides has increased over the last few weeks. But much moreso for GOP voters.

Why?

Well, maybe there's some subtle undercurrent that no one is looking at, but the only logical response is the Democrat's search and destroy tactics deployed against Judge Kavanaugh. But, this link comes with caveat emptor on the part of GOP voters. Beware their anger if they feel that GOP Senators have backed off and are not sufficiently supportive of Kavanaugh.

In other words, confirm or die a political death in November or whenever your seat is up for re-election.

And this increase in voter intensity seems to indicate that it's as much a promise as an angry disgruntled threat on the part of GOP voters. So, the fact that it would appear - we'll all believe it when we see it of course - that Senator McConnell has the necessary votes to confirm Kavanaugh, means that GOP voters will be relieved and should put that relief into action in November.

Should is a conditional, however. (Yes, it's a modal verb that sets up a conditional ... better?)

In other words, we can perhaps game out a few possible scenarios that include predictions on both Kavanaugh's confirmation and the mid-term elections results:

  • Judge Kavanaugh is confirmed. The House flips by just enough seats to go Democrat. The Senate stays Republican by one or two seats. Will House Democrats do a full-on Maxine Waters and start impeachment proceedings before Valentine's Day? They know it will be a theatrical stunt given the Senate's composition.
  • Judge Kavanaugh falls 1 vote short of confirmation. The House flips Democrat who have a clear majority as angry GOP voters stay home. The Senate stays GOP by 1 seat. Impeachment proceedings are launched, even though it dies in the Senate. Does Trump try to get anything domestic done on his agenda?
  • Judge Kavanaugh falls 1 vote short of confirmation and the House stays Republican as enraged GOP voters decide to protect President Trump from impeachment proceedings. The Senate stays GOP by 1 or 2 seats. Trump launches a full-metal-jacket assault on Democrats that makes the current stand-off appear polite.
  • Judge Kavanaugh is confirmed but the House flips anyway and so does the Senate. Impeachment proceedings are launched, and the media goes hunting for further details on Trump's family tax issues that the NYTimes recently reported on. All in order to seek non-Russia grounds for impeachment. Trump remains defiant but is surrounded by enemies to an even greater extent than before.
  • Judge Kavanaugh is confirmed, the House flips and the Democrats start impeachment proceedings against Kavanaugh rather than Trump. The Senate stays GOP and lets the process die a quick death once it reaches the upper chamber. Trump visits India and proclaims a new US-Hindu alliance.

But given the way these past months have been, there will be something else that will hit the headlines soon and force its way to center stage. What that will be is anyone's guess. Because in a raging Culture War, any excuse will serve as grounds for a new battle to be fought.

Posted by Keeley at October 5, 2018 9:50 AM
Comments
Comment #432337

“raging Culture War”

Australian billionaire’s stooges should stop waging that culture war against The US. He already did it in Australia and the UK, and you’re expecting us to fall for the same crap here. Some of us are aware of history and what goes on in the world.

Partisan Hack Brat K Nought is totally unqualified for the SCOTUS. Former Justice Stevens pointed out that he will have to recuse himself on many issues that come before the court and would only be a part time justice. The same will now apply if he stays on the Appellate court.

The FBI interviewed Tim Gaudette of the rapehaus, and Chris Garrett, who Nought tried to finger for the assault on Christine Blasey. We’ll find out what they had to say eventually.

Posted by: ohrealy at October 5, 2018 11:17 AM
Comment #432338

Whats next? More of the same from the right wing

Posted by: j2t2 at October 5, 2018 11:19 AM
Comment #432340

If not confirmed, those on the right b*tch and moan for a while. Dems take the House and possibly the Senate.

If confirmed, leftists take to the streets in protest and riots. Dems take the House.

Posted by: kctim at October 5, 2018 11:39 AM
Comment #432342

Do you mean when confirmed kctim? Although Kavanaugh is a political operative not SCOTUS material the repubs will push him through the Senate instead of doing the right thing for the country. The Oligarchy demands it. Conservatives demand it. Populist demand it. Better to have a conservative loser than take the chance of a dem victory in the mid terms.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 5, 2018 2:16 PM
Comment #432344

j2t2,
I tried not to put too much energy into following the Kavanaugh confirmation. Collins promised her vote weeks ago. Kavanaugh was a terrible pick, and the consequences will haunt us for years and years. Kavanaugh wrote an op-ed for the WSJ claiming he was off his game during his Senate testimony, and that he will actually be independent and non-partisan on the bench. Snort. He is a partisan hack, and he has been one for a long time. Meanwhile, he lied under oath something like 32 times. A ridiculous whitewash of an investigation only interviewed people okayed by Kavanaugh’s patron, White House Counsel Don McGahn. The FBI was not allowed to interview Ford, Kavanaugh, or the 40+ other leads generated, nor to follow up on leads generated by the handful of interviews they actually did. For some reason, the GOP imagines the perjury and all those people willing to attest to it will magically.

It was a bad pick from the word go. What a mess. Now a partisan GOP hack will discredit every 5-4 decision. Ugh.

kctim,
While a Democratic tsunami may be in the making, I am a little more cautious than most. Gerrymandering by the GOP will make a big difference in the House. I think control of it will be very close. The Democrats need something like 53-55% of the popular vote just to take it.

There is a curious possibility. Gerrymandering works great if the difference is 10% or less. If Democrats win by more than 10%, gerrymandering will have the opposite effect, and will actually work against the GOP. But 10% is a huge margin, so we will see.

It will be extremely difficult for the Democrats to take control of the Senate. Not impossible. Just difficult. As someone said, when someone plays Russian Roulette, odds of 1/6 are taken very seriously.

Posted by: phx8 at October 5, 2018 3:41 PM
Comment #432347

“Kavanaugh was a terrible pick…”

Weak argument phx8. The legal community gives him high marks for his judicial ability, honesty, knowledge and in every other consideration for a Supreme Court Justice.

Consider that Brett Kavanaugh voted 93 percent of the time with his colleague Judge Merrick Garland when they both heard cases together on a federal appeals court in D.C.

Judge Garland joined 27 out of 28 opinions written by Judge Kavanaugh, while Judge Kavanaugh joined 28 out of 30 of Judge Garland’s rulings.

Judge Kavanaugh said their decisions aligned because both of them approach the law as written without interjecting personal preferences.

Excerpted from https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/sep/5/kavanaugh-garland-voted-together-93-pct-time/

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 5, 2018 4:16 PM
Comment #432348

Listening to an hour long explanation of her intended vote on the Kavanaugh nomination by Senator Susan Collins on the floor of the Senate gave me a new and even greater respect for her.

She carefully laid out, in great detail, her concerns as an American citizen, a woman, and as one who believes in following the constitution. She described the questions she asked of Kavanaugh in their personal meeting; and his forthright answers.

Even those who may disagree with her must respect the careful manner in which she came her decision. It certainly was not a knee-jerk, party following, and mindless endeavor.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 5, 2018 4:27 PM
Comment #432356

RF,
You do realize, right, that Susan Collins told McConnell she would vote for Kavanaugh before any of this happened? The MSM tried to make this look close, but in truth, the issue was never in doubt.

Now that’s a strange argument- Kavanaugh voted with Garland, so Kavanaugh was qualified, yet Garland did not even deserve to have a hearing. I see. If the only basis for judging Kavanaugh was his short time on the D.C. Circuit court, he would have been fine. It was everything else he did before that was so damning.

He displayed his lack of judicial temperament before the entire country during that hearing. He displayed his hyper-partisanship for all to see with his opening statement. That was bad. That was really bad.

His history during the Clinton impeachment was damnable. I notice you never responded to the link about the 10 questions about s*x Kavanaugh wanted asked. After that, Kavanaugh reversed his opinions about whether a president should be held accountable by a special counsel, and recently Kavanaugh made it clear, he thought a president should not be subject to any investigations while in office. Bet Trump loved that one!

Tens of thousands of pages were concealed by Trump about Kavanaugh’s years in the Bush administration. We don’t know what they say, or why they are being concealed. Think those papers will stay concealed forever?

Now he will be on the court, and it is a bad pick that will haunt all of us for a long time to come.

Posted by: phx8 at October 5, 2018 7:30 PM
Comment #432364

phx8, Remember what Joe Biden said about SCOTUS nominations in a PRESIDENTIAL election year? I said in another thread that what you Democrats say and do will come back to bite you in the A$$. Garland was Bite number one. You liberal, progressive democrats have another bite coming with your blue wave going down to a blue ripple.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2018 8:13 PM
Comment #432365

KAP,
Biden said approving nominations should be delayed until after an election campaign in early November, NOT until mid-January when a new presidential term started.

So you believed in a false talking point promoted by McConnell. Knowing that is false, do you still think that was the right thing to do to Garland? Not even give him a hearing? The Constitution requires the Senate to “advise and consent.” The Constitution does not say ‘Some Senators’ or ‘one party.’

Look, it was wrong, and the GOP did the country a great disservice in their pursuit of power. Now the GOP is about to push through the most overtly partisan candidate in memory, a nominee who displayed a gross lack of judicial temperament during his hearing. That was bad.

As for repercussions at the voting booth, about 30% of all women have been subjected to s*xual assault. Siding with Kavanaugh meant disbelieving the sworn testimony of Dr. Ford. I think a lot of women are going to be very, very unhappy with the GOP.

Posted by: phx8 at October 5, 2018 9:10 PM
Comment #432366

Phx8 I heard what Biden said. So lets quit with the BULLS××T. America has seen just how far your side will stoop to get your way. Garland was child’s play compared to what the “demonrats” will do.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2018 9:25 PM
Comment #432367

KAP,
You write: “America has seen just how far your side will stoop to get your way.”

What are you talking about?

Posted by: phx8 at October 5, 2018 9:39 PM
Comment #432369

Phx8, The words of Chucky Schumer, “by any means necessary” I think that may include uncooberated accusations such as gang rapes Ford’s naming witnesses that actually helped Kavanaugh, and the other young lady that claimed he pulled out his male member and stuck it in her face. When that BULLS××T didn’t work they tried the yearbook, then his drinking beer, then it went to his temperament. Then after agreeing for a week your side then claimed it ain’t enough time. Now it’s protest at Senators homes and offices. Your side is just a bunch of crybaby A$$holes.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 5, 2018 11:02 PM
Comment #432377

Also phx8 someone on your side leaked the letter Ford sent to her congressperson and Feinstein. Only 3 people had custody of that letter, her sleaze bag lawyers, her congressperson, and Feinstein. Feinstein and her staff had good reason to possibly leak it as a last ditch effort because the hearings weren’t helping the judicial committee’s democrats cause.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 6, 2018 12:02 AM
Comment #432396

Looks like a done deal. The blatant smear campaign by the left appears to have failed. We’ll see this afternoon/evening in the final vote. It’s a shame the left would stoop to such lows, attempting to destroy a man with un corroborated accusations. I guess we really shouldn’t be surprised at what these Bolsheviks are willing to do, to get their agenda through.

Posted by: dbs at October 6, 2018 7:40 AM
Comment #432400
Consider that Brett Kavanaugh voted 93 percent of the time with his colleague Judge Merrick Garland when they both heard cases together on a federal appeals court in D.C.

Yet the repub majority in general and McConnell wrongly refused to do their job when Garland was nominated by Obama!

Posted by: j2t2 at October 6, 2018 10:04 AM
Comment #432401

j2t2,
“Consider that Brett Kavanaugh voted 93 percent of the time with his colleague Judge Merrick Garland when they both heard cases together on a federal appeals court in D.C.”

Easily the strangest argument I’ve heard from a conservative for why Kavanaugh should be approved.

What a terrible mess. The GOP is going to push this through. Corroborating witnesses who volunteered to be interviewed by the FBI but were ignored, and signed sworn affidavits, are going public with their corroboration. The latest, by a guy named Keith Koegler, says Dr. Ford told him about a s*xual assault by “a federal judge in Washington D.C.” She told him this prior to Kavanaugh even being announced for the short list.

There are somewhere between 28-40 witnesses who will undoubtedly come forward. There are at least 29 statements made by Kavanaugh during his hearing- under oath- that were false or misleading or outright lies.

An illegitimate president is delegitimizing the Supreme Court right before our eyes, and the GOP is going along with this. Why? To pay off their donors, and hold onto power. And for some, to avoid prosecution.

Because of Citizens United, ‘anonymous’ money from the Russians has been funneled through shell corporations the RNC and the NRA to the GOP. Trump has been laundering Russian money for a long time, mostly through the cash sales of condos.

A crisis is coming, far worse than Kavanaugh, and it will come after the election, when the Mueller investigation releases its report and announces its indictments. Trump and the GOP will be desperate to prevent its release. If they control the House and/or the Senate at that time, they will do anything to prevent this.

Posted by: phx8 at October 6, 2018 10:20 AM
Comment #432405

“Yet the repub majority in general and McConnell wrongly refused to do their job when Garland was nominated by Obama!”

They didn’t have to. And if democrats were able to the same thing to one of Trumps nominees, they would do the same thing. Crocodile tears.

Posted by: dbs at October 6, 2018 12:13 PM
Comment #432406

“What a terrible mess. The GOP is going to push this through.”


You mean like the way Reid changed the cloture rule and pushed through all obamas nominees in order to pack the DC court of appeals. You guys make me laugh. Your chickens are coming home to roost. In your minds nothing is legitimate unless it works to your benefit. Spare me the whining.

Posted by: dbs at October 6, 2018 12:20 PM
Comment #432408

dbs,
In the other column you made claims about Hillary Clinton and Birtherism, and I asked you for one- just one- quote from Hillary to show she was a Birther- and you never responded. You never provided a quote.

You have repeated this lie quite a few times. Are you lying and just want to admit it, or do you have a quote from Hillary Clinton to prove she’s a Birther?

I ask, because I have lots and lots of examples of Donald Trump’s Birtherism and even more of his racism. Right at the moment the country seems to be focused on the misogyny of the GOP, but I want to give you another chance to cite one- even one- quote, before you run away.

Posted by: phx8 at October 6, 2018 1:14 PM
Comment #432411

It may have not been Hillary herself who started the birtherism b’s but a couple of her supporters did.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 6, 2018 1:58 PM
Comment #432412

KAP,
You write: “It may have not been Hillary herself who started the birtherism b’s but a couple of her supporters did.”

That is 100%, indisputably false.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/

Posted by: phx8 at October 6, 2018 2:09 PM
Comment #432414

Now he will be on the court, and it is a bad pick that will haunt all of us for a long time to come.
Posted by: phx8 at October 5, 2018 7:30 PM

Another justice on the supreme court who proclaims his love for the constitution, and his intention to use it as his guide, is hardly one to fear. Unless of course, one is “haunted” by failure to use our highest court for political purposes.

phx8 finds my comparison of judicial agreement between Merrick Garland and Brett Kavanaugh strange. I used it as he called Kavanaugh “a terrible pick”. Certainly that is not true if one is basing their opinion on the ability of men, from different political views, to agree.

We are now beginning to hear a new line of BS coming from our Liberal Pals on WB. Here’s just one example from phx8…”An illegitimate president is delegitimizing the Supreme Court”

This sounds like a clarion call for Civil War.

The small mob of extreme Leftists that are presently wagging the Democrat Party in a very nasty fashion continue their effort to insight violence with lies.

The Democrat Party has to make a decision soon. Will they swing ever further Left into oblivion; or will they turn the ship and steer back to the middle ground where most Americans live?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 6, 2018 3:22 PM
Comment #432415

Phx8 Washington Times says Mark Penn started it and that it had Democrat roots. So IMO I think Trump just capitalized on something that your side started

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 6, 2018 3:42 PM
Comment #432419

KAP,
Obviously you did not read the link.

The Washington Times ignored previous examples of Birtherism, and referred to this memo by Mark Penn in 2007:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2008/08/penn-strategy-memo-march-19-2008/37952/

The linked article includes a word ‘proposal’ and the Mark Penn memo. This is what the Times referred to:

“But he also called Obama “unelectable except perhaps against Attila the Hun,” and wrote, “I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values.” Penn proposed targeting Obama’s “lack of American roots.”

Obviously the proposal was never implemented. It is questionable whether that can even be called Birtherism, since Penn was suggesting that Obama not being hawkish enough in a time of war was Un-American.

The linked article- which you obviously did not read- cites the specific origins of Birtherism in March 2008 among right wing web sites.

Hillary Clinton NEVER promoted it and never said anything remotely close to the conspiracy theory of Birtherism.

Posted by: phx8 at October 6, 2018 5:23 PM
Comment #432420

Meanwhile, the mess with the Kavanaugh nomination is already rolling…

An ethics complaint was filed against Kavanaugh with the D.C. Circuit court, due to his repeatedly lying under oath and lack of judicial temperament. Judges take a rather dim view of perjury, especially from a fellow judge, not to mention referring to conspiracy theories about the Clintons and so on during their hearing.

Garland recused himself. The senior judge deemed the complaint had merit, and referred the complaint to the Supreme Court.

This has never happened before. Right now, no one is quite sure what to do. Once on the Supreme Court, a justice is presumably beyond the reach of any law other than impeachment. Chief Justice Roberts will most likely leave it in legal limbo.

The only problem is that, if the House goes to the Democrats in the midterms, there will be hearings with VERY PUBLIC testimony from all those people the White House prevented the FBI from investigating. Ford could testify again. Kavanaugh could be asked to testify, and he would almost certainly refuse. There is a good reason the White House would not allow the FBI to interview him.

So putting Kavanaugh on the bench will not make things get better. They are going to get worse.

Posted by: phx8 at October 6, 2018 5:32 PM
Comment #432421

phx8, As far as the birther thing goes I could give a rat’s A$$ about who started it. With all the BULLS**T that goes on during elections nothing surprises me anymore. No matter if Hillary or Trump started it. it is now a moot point. I can imagine the BULLS**T that will come out in the next presidential elections. I predict it will be the dirtiest election in history.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 6, 2018 5:38 PM
Comment #432422

So putting Kavanaugh on the bench will not make things get better. They are going to get worse.
Posted by: phx8 at October 6, 2018 5:32 PM

If Liberals pray to any deity, that would be what they ask for.

Sanity will resume after the November elections regardless the outcome. Who could be so foolish as to believe anyone, Democrat, Liberal or Socialist; would want more pure political vitriol?

Believing there are more credible witnesses with anything detrimental to Justice Kavanaugh is truly demented.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 6, 2018 5:44 PM
Comment #432423

If the Democrats win the House you’ll see the Judiciary Committee in action, with the power to compel testimony with subpoenas. Kavanaugh himself might be out of reach, but a lot of other people won’t be, and a lot of others want to give testimony, not only about alleged s*xual assaults, but on Kavanaugh’s repeated lies under oath.

RF, you may choose to believe women lie about s*xual assaults, but Kavanaugh’s lies under oath- and there were a lot of them- are undeniable.

What excuse will you use to justify perjury by a Supreme Court Justice?

Posted by: phx8 at October 6, 2018 6:12 PM
Comment #432424

“RF, you may choose to believe women lie about s*xual assaults…”

Are you actually telling us phx8, that you believe women never lie about such things?

“What excuse will you use to justify perjury by a Supreme Court Justice?”

I will let you know phx8, just as soon as you have provided us proof that you have stopped beating your wife.

Democrats lost an election to Donald Trump that all the polls, all the Lefty’s on WatchBlog, and most of the media proclaimed they could not possibly lose.

Immediately after the election the Democrats put into motion their fall-back plan of trying to impeach President Trump for every imaginable reason anyone could conjure up from thin air.

They defended all the high ranking FBI and Justice Department officials fired from their jobs including those likely to be indicted for criminal offenses.

They tried desperately to stop Neil Gorsuch from being confirmed as a supreme court justice. They failed.

Even more desperately they have tried to stop Brett Kavanaugh from being confirmed as a supreme court justice. They failed.

Failing to damage or impeach President Trump, these same flaming idiots now believe they will impeach Justice Kavanaugh.

Out of kindness for my fellow man I ceased accusing our Liberal Pals of mental deficiency. I will have to rethink that decision.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 6, 2018 6:45 PM
Comment #432432

Angka Jitu Togel

Posted by: Cs 007 at October 7, 2018 7:00 AM
Comment #432433

Ginsberg won’t make it to 2024 on the supreme court. If you think the left was unhinged over Kennedy’s replacement, wait until Ginsberg is replaced with a constitutional conservative. You aint seen nothing yet. If Trump is re elected this is almost assured. Thomas could retire as well.

Posted by: dbs at October 7, 2018 7:39 AM
Comment #432437

According to a Telegraph article, Clinton supporters circulated the “birther” theory in an email as early as April 2008.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy,” the email said, according to the Telegraph. “She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth.”

Clinton supporters

Had “Trump supporters” mentioned anything controversial the left would immediately attribute it to Trump himself. Trump and his supporters are one in the same to the left. Why aren’t Clinton and her supporters tied at the hip also?

I can’t believe phx8 can be so ignorant as to think the Clinton campaign had nothing to do with tarring Obama with the birther issue. His claim it was all Trump’s doing is deflection. If Trump hadn’t brought it up again the entire issue would have drifted off into obscurity. Trump’s role is not letting it happen, so he gets the misplaced blame for starting it.

It’s moot, anyway. phx8 is using it as fodder for his constant negativity.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 7, 2018 10:40 AM
Comment #432538

“Why aren’t Clinton and her supporters tied at the hip also?”

They are united in their opposition to racism. When a Clinton volunteer forwarded the quoted Birther e-mail in 2008, that person was immediately dismissed from the campaign. The campaign never supported Birtherism or racism. Neither did Hillary Clinton. And I’m still waiting for even one HRC quote showing she bought into Birtherism.

Trump made this fundamentally racist conspiracy theory the heart of his 2012 campaign, and he continued promoting it even after Obama produced his birth certificate. The GOP supported Trump. Polls showed about 50% of the GOP believed in Birtherism, and another 50% or so believed Obama was a Muslim.

But conservatives can not bring themselves to say Trump is a racist, and Trump’s Birtherism is wrong. Instead of condemning it, along with Trump’s other numerous displays of misogyny, bigotry, and Islamophobia, conservatives play whataboutism. There are the usual pathetic attempts to equate Trump’s racism and incitement of hatred with Hillary Clinton, Obama, anyone at all, as long as conservatives can be spared the humiliation of making a moral judgment about their leader and themselves.

Posted by: phx8 at October 7, 2018 4:15 PM
Comment #432547

phx8 likes to throw around slurs like racism, misogyny, bigotry, Islamophobia and a whole alphabet soup of other nasty names. From where do these charges come?

Liberals play a word game with comments they don’t like. President Trump, for example, comments about Dr. Ford’s inability to remember any details of her alleged assault, but can vividly recall she had just “one beer”. Those comments become an attack on women and a disregard for women’s rights. Really? In what world?

Senator Susan Collins delivers a powerful and extensive review of her thought process in arriving at her decision on Kavanaugh’s confirmation and is immediately declared an enemy of women and a Republican pawn. More word games with absolutely no foundation in fact.

There are thousands of examples of Lefty’s like phx8 using words, taken out of context, to condemn actions of those they hate.

We hear calls for civility from Democrats as they shrilly attack innocent people guilty of nothing more than expressing their opinion.

Hate-filled is hardly strong enough to describe the likes of Maxine Waters, Chuck Schumer, Diane Feinstein, many Hollywood celebrities and late night TV comedians.

These folks puff themselves up with mutual flattery and feigned affection for everyone while making the most heinous and gag-producing accusations based upon nothing but their own demented imagining.

In a just world, these sub-humans would just disappear.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 7, 2018 5:12 PM
Comment #432548

RF,
“President Trump… comments about Dr. Ford’s inability to remember any details of her alleged assault, but can vividly recall she had just “one beer”. Those comments become an attack on women and a disregard for women’s rights.”

Trump mocked Dr. Ford. He mocked a woman who credibly stated she had been a victim of s*xual assault. He claimed she said ‘I don’t remember” but, in fact, she did remember things like whether it was upstairs or downstairs. Trump lied. Even worse, the all white crowd cheered and jeered and clapped when Trump mocked her. It was an absolutely repulsive display, perhaps the lowest point of the entire debacle.

The ugliness of that all white crowd can not be over stated. And consider this- that event was held in MS. 37% of the state is black, yet there was not a person of color to be found when the camera panned across that disgusting crowd of deplorables.

As for Collins, even before the nomination was announced, McConnell cleared Kavanaugh with her. She promised to vote for him. That is why the GOP was in such a bind. They were committed to Kavanaugh, even though it soon became apparent he was a terrible nominee.

Is anybody here stupid enough to believe the GOP was going to nominate and confirm Kavanaugh without first making sure they had the votes? Does anyone believe for one second that Collins was on the fence? Snort. There was no “thoughtful and extensive review,” other than putting together a sham presentation to soften her betrayal of women in order to support a white male patriarchy.

Funny side note- when Collins gave her phony presentation, she arranged for two female Republicans to sit behind her, and frame her for the camera. The seats actually belonged to two old white male GOP Senators. It was pure theater meant to hide the ugliness of today’s GOP.

Posted by: phx8 at October 7, 2018 5:29 PM
Comment #432549

Two can play your hateful and silly game phx8.

“The ugliness of that all white crowd…” Racists comment phx8

“…disgusting crowd of deplorables…” Hateful comment phx8. Do you know everyone in that audience? Were the children deplorable also?

“Trump lied” Your opinion phx8. No facts, just a hateful parsing of words.

“She promised to vote for him.” More nonsense phx8. You only think that. Empty words and meaningless conclusion.

“…he was a terrible nominee…” Truly ignorant statement phx8; considering all his peers and work history reveal the opposite.

“…her betrayal of women in order to support a white male patriarchy.” My favorite comment phx8 to prove how morally warped and hate-filled Liberal truly are. A truly immoral man writing true hate against a person expressing their honest opinion.

“…old white male GOP Senators…” Simply a glaze of hate by you on display phx8.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 7, 2018 5:47 PM
Comment #432550

RF,
Lots of denials, not many facts. How do you explain an all-white crowd at a Trump rally, in a state with a 37% black population?

Trump lied at that rally when he mocked Ford. Trump said she could not remember if it was upstairs or downstairs. She did, in fact, state it was upstairs. Trump said she didn’t remember how many years ago it was. Trump lied.

And yes, Collins promised her vote before any of this became public. Don’t be so naïve. How do you think these things work?

Kavanaugh was a terrible nominee. Twice I linked the s*xually explicit questions he wanted to ask a sitting president under oath. You ignored it. Why? Kavanaugh lied more than two dozen times in his hearing. Tens of thousands of documents from Kavanaugh’s time at the Bush White House are being withheld without explanation. His judicial temperament was so bad, it was laughable, as SNL and Matt Damon so hilariously demonstrated.

Well, he is on the bench now. If the Democrats win the House, the witnesses will be PUBLICLY interviewed. Have fun with that.

You’ll be glad to know the Russians approve of Kavanaugh because he will protect Trump during the looming impeachment. They aren’t shy about that. They fully expect Trump to be impeached. The Russians also wholeheartedly promote the conspiracy theory about George Soros funding all those protestors.

Posted by: phx8 at October 7, 2018 6:19 PM
Comment #432551

“How do you explain an all-white crowd at a Trump rally, in a state with a 37% black population?”

Wow…phx8 sees nothing but race, not people, not human beings. What a horrible obsession for a mature man to have. Look at a crowd and try to determine if the racial mixture is acceptable.

“Trump lied” Poor fellow, phx8 finds lies everywhere. What ghoulish attention to minutia.

“Don’t be so naïve.” phx8 has excellent imagination skills. What he can’t prove, he imagines.

“Kavanaugh was a terrible nominee.” phx8 continues to write ridiculous claims that are refuted by nearly everyone in the legal community. We fear for your sanity phx8. You are displaying “Kavanaugh fever”. It could be fatal if not treated with the truth.

“…the witnesses will be PUBLICLY interviewed…” We can’t wait for that phx8. What we do wonder is WHAT DID THEY WITNESS? Will it appear in newsstand magazines like the NE? Certainly we can expect these publicity seeking dredges to make paid appearances all over the Liberal world. It will be fun to watch the drama. Hey, maybe they can make a movie. George Soros could produce, Bill Clinton could direct, and Hillary could star as Dr. Ford. She is good at crying and imagining things.

“…Russians approve of Kavanaugh…” Good going phx8. I knew you could work the Russians into your fantasy. I am disappointed that Kavanaugh isn’t being blamed for climate disasters, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions.

We all enjoy your hate parade phx8. Next time, try to get something religious to throw into the delirium pot.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 7, 2018 6:56 PM
Comment #432552

Let’s try that again:

How do you explain an all-white crowd at a Trump rally, in a state with a 37% black population?

Posted by: phx8 at October 7, 2018 10:34 PM
Comment #432561

Selective photography.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2018 1:25 AM
Comment #432579

J2
“Do you mean when confirmed kctim?”

No, I meant if confirmed. In this world of spineless Republicans and a media who claims a few activist tweets and paid protesters represent America, I believed there was a good chance of Republicans caving as they always seem to do.
I don’t buy into your ‘oligarchy’ nonsense, J2.

Phx8,
IF you guys quit using gerrymandering as an excuse and stopped attacking the intelligence and shouting racist at everybody who disagrees with you, it wouldn’t be close.
People are rejecting leftist positions and identity politics, IF you want their vote, accept that and make your party more to their liking.

Posted by: kctim at October 8, 2018 8:05 AM
Comment #432582

How do you explain an all-white crowd at a Trump rally, in a state with a 37% black population?

Seems like a simple question. No conservative will answer it. Looks like I hit a nerve.

RF objected to my noticing it, but could not answer the question.

kctim,
Gerrymandering is a longstanding fact in American politics. Both sides do it. The difference is the extent. GOP states do it a LOT more than Democratic ones, and that is why theGOP holds a majority in the House, although their candidates only received 49% of the vote.

GOP Senators received only 43% of the vote in 2016. Trump lost the popular vote by 2%. It matters, because the GOP represents a minority of American voters, yet it is not making any attempt to govern from the middle. Just the opposite.

So I’ll give you another crack at it:

How do you explain an all-white crowd at a Trump rally, in a state with a 37% black population?

Posted by: phx8 at October 8, 2018 1:13 PM
Comment #432583

Phx8,

Gerrymandering is a lame excuse, nothing more. Perhaps calling everybody who disagrees with you a bigot, racist, sexist, homophobe, misogynist etc… isn’t working out as great as you hoped it would.

“How do you explain an all-white crowd at a Trump rally, in a state with a 37% black population?”

What’s to explain? Black folk didn’t want to go to a Trump rally. Big deal.

What’s with you and all this hateful and divisive racism you have been promoting lately? Sheesh!

Posted by: kctim at October 8, 2018 2:07 PM
Comment #432584

phx8 is off his rocker. There are 2 black men sitting right behind the podium at the MS rally.

https://youtu.be/uCZGk_ITs7Q?t=342

phx8 needs to expand his sources. Listening to CNN 27/7 has destroyed his ability to think clearly. I’m wondering if he even looked for black people, or did he just parrot what his CNN brain washer told him to think.

Nice try, phx8, but you’ve just given us another reason to laugh at your repeated inaccuracies.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2018 2:37 PM
Comment #432586

phx8 is trying out for a model position for new beauty regimen. He’s doing egg facials.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2018 2:42 PM
Comment #432587

WW,
There are two black men sitting seven rows back- not “right behind” Trump. That camera view is not the same as the televised feed, which closes in and only shows @ first five rows. So out of 50 people in the wider picture, there are only two blacks.

If there are something like 50 whites and two blacks, how do you explain that in a state that has a 37% black population? Your turn.

RF says I am wrong to notice the whiteness of the crowd. Kctim says “Black folk didn’t want to go to a Trump rally.”
You quite rightly point out the crowd is only something like 96% white, not 100% white. Care to explain why blacks are almost completely absent? You’ve already made the usual personal attack. Now that you’ve got that out of the way, please explain. Take a shot.

My next question will be why, in its entire history, there has never been a woman on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Not one. Put on your thinking caps!

Posted by: phx8 at October 8, 2018 2:58 PM
Comment #432588

“RF objected to my noticing it, but could not answer the question.”

No objection phx8, I just don’t notice a persons race when I enter a building or room Guess I am not a racist.

I don’t ask for anyone to reveal their religious beliefs, political beliefs, or other preferences. I accept everyone in the building until they prove I shouldn’t.

Please phx8, help me correct my “deplorable” behavior.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2018 3:31 PM
Comment #432589

Phx8, women rep. Senators have been offered a seat on the committee but declined. Grassley has said it may be due to the heavy work load.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2018 3:32 PM
Comment #432590

I’d also venture to say they don’t want to put up with the left’s verbal abuse.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2018 3:39 PM
Comment #432591

Perhaps phx8 doesn’t understand how congressional districts are determined in each state. He always gets it wrong when discussing gerrymandering.

He claims there is more gerrymandering being done in GOP held states. Wow…what a revelation by this brain-trust. I will make this simple for him and just hit the highlights.

The U.S. census determines the number of voters in each congressional district.

With that information, each state determines the boundaries of the district, usually by legislative approval.

If a legislature is controlled by the GOP, one could expect them to favor themselves in drawing the district lines.

phx8 wrote; “GOP states do it a LOT more than Democratic ones…”

Well…DUH! Win control of more state legislatures phx8, and you too can be the gerrymandering champions.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2018 3:45 PM
Comment #432592

My next question will be why, in its entire history, there has never been a woman on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Not one. Put on your thinking caps!
Posted by: phx8 at October 8, 2018 2:58 PM

What is wrong with phx8? He is having a bad “hair” day.

I watched the Kavanaugh hearings and saw women on the committee.

OH…wait…perhaps he is asking why no Republican woman senator sits on the committee.

Hell, I don’t know. Can phx8 tell us the reason?

OH…wait…I’ll bet it has to do with men hating women. Especially old white men.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2018 3:54 PM
Comment #432593

Justice Kavanaugh met with his four law clerks, all women — a first for the Supreme Court

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/07/us/politics/kavanaugh-clerks.html

Hey phx8, why is Justice Kavanaugh, an old white guy hated by women and Liberals, the first one to hire all women for his clerks?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2018 4:09 PM
Comment #432594

The ugliness of that all white crowd can not be over stated.

How do you explain an all-white crowd

there was not a person of color to be found

How do you explain an all-white crowd at a Trump rally

How do you explain an all-white crowd at a Trump rally, in a state with a 37% black population?

So I’ll give you another crack at it:
How do you explain an all-white crowd at a Trump rally, in a state with a 37% black population?

There’s 2 black guys behind the podium!

If there are something like 50 whites and two blacks, how do you explain that in a state that has a 37% black population?

My turn? When you’re in a hole, how do you know when to stop digging?


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2018 4:14 PM
Comment #432595

My turn? When you’re in a hole, how do you know when to stop digging?
Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2018 4:14 PM

Unfortunately Weary, for many liberals they only stop digging their political grave when the medical examiner removes the abnormal brain for study.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2018 4:24 PM
Comment #432597

KAP,
“Grassley has said it may be due to the heavy work load.”
Grassley later apologized for that comment, because it suggests men can handle it, but not women. The fact is, there are only 6 female GOP Senators, and 45 male. It is the consistent stands of the GOP against issues that concern women that has driven them away. The problem has become even worse with Trump.

RF,
“Win control of more state legislatures phx8, and you too can be the gerrymandering champions.”

It has nothing to do with the number of state legislatures. The effect of gerrymandering is relative to the size of the state engaging in it.

https://rantt.com/the-top-10-most-gerrymandered-states-in-america/

The most gerrymandered states: North Carolina, Maryland, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Utah, Texas, Arkansas, Ohio.

As for Kavanaugh hiring female clerks, that is a good thing. He claims to be a family man and he coaches a girl’s basketball team. Those are good things too. That doesn’t excuse him from past deeds, or demonstrating a totally inappropriate judicial temperament during his hearing, or why tens of thousands of documents from the Bush administration need to be concealed, and so on.

Posted by: phx8 at October 8, 2018 5:13 PM
Comment #432598

OK phx8, remain stupid about gerrymandering. We are all laughing at you.

Please name and factually prove Kavanaugh’s supposed “past deeds” that can’t be excused phx8.

Concerning Kavanaugh’s temperament during his defense against spurious accusations, I suggest phx8 is not competent to judge how anyone would respond under similar circumstances. Unless of course they are prejudiced.

What professional credentials does phx8 possess that would make him an expert on this subject?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2018 5:33 PM
Comment #432599

The only reason the Democratics lost this battle is because Trump and Kavanaugh didn’t give up and quit. They stood their ground. That’s something we usually don’t see on the right side of the aisle.

No, sir. I am not tired of winning yet.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2018 5:37 PM
Comment #432602

phx8, As for why women are not on the Senate Judiciary committee republican side is not that they weren’t offered the position. They, the women, chose not to be on it. The way your side treated Palin in the 2008 presidential run was appalling and IMO soured a lot of women who were Republicans not to seek elected office. I see phx8 you still don’t believe Kavanaugh is innocent. On Facebook someone put up a list of men wrongfully accused of RAPE. Just the “A’s” alone had 25 men who served anywhere from a few years to 30 years in prison before they were exonerated by DNA evidence. You think women don’t lie well 25 men will tell you, you are full of S**T

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2018 8:34 PM
Comment #432603

KAP,
Someone came up with a statistic that between 2-10% of criminal accusations are false, and false claims of s*xual assault fall within that range. Of course, that also means 90% or more of such accusations turn out to be valid. In any case, there are such things as false accusations, and there are people who are fabricators, so any claims like that in a case as publicized as the Kavanaugh nomination have to be approached with caution.

Just to be clear, I opposed Kavanaugh’s nomination before the s*xual assault accusations came up. He did a lot of really dirty work during the Clinton impeachment. Don’t ever feel sorry for this guy or his family, not for a second. He was more than willing to dish it out in the past. When Bush won and a Democrat was no longer in the White House, Kavanaugh reversed everything he believed, and said a president should not be investigated while in office. Kavanaugh was, and is, a hyper-partisan, as proven by his opening statement. That’s fine for some job descriptions, but NOT for a justice on the Supreme Court. In addition, tens of thousands of pages from his time in the Bush administration are being concealed.

As for the situation with Dr. Ford, yes, I believe her.

Everything about the behavior of Kavanaugh GOP supporters suggests they are concealing information, and everything about Dr. Ford’s supporters suggests the opposite.

The investigation was conducted without revealing the limitations imposed by the White House. Perhaps six people were interviewed. Incredibly, neither Kavanaugh nor Ford were interviewed. Dr. Ford took a lie detector test. Kavanaugh did not, even though he ruled in 2016 that those tests could be used in background investigations. It was fine for other people, but not for him.

Leads were not investigated. People contacting the FBI and offering sworn affidavits were turned away.

In addition, Kavanaugh lied repeatedly under oath during his Senate appearance.

If the Democrats take the House, which is likely, all these issues will be PUBLICLY investigated.

There are a ton of good lawyers out there, both liberal and conservative. The GOP had until January 3rd to confirm a nominee, so there was plenty of time. There were a lot of uncontroversial conservative judges that could have been nominated. That brings up the question: Why Kavanaugh?

Posted by: phx8 at October 8, 2018 9:28 PM
Comment #432605

Phx8, I watched the whole Kavanaugh conformation and the BULLS××T hearing afterward. Your side agreed on 1 week. The FBI questioned all witnesses named by Ford. They all stated to them the same thing that was in their statements previously given. The one lead I heard about resently was by a guy who said Ford mentioned the Past abuse thing to him in 2016. That ain’t no witness. Then we have the other 2 women and the lie in Colorado and R.I. The 2 women were a joke. You guys tell so many lies you don’t know what truth is.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2018 9:59 PM
Comment #432606

Also phx8 if your side didn’t bring those other 2 women into the picture and just stayed with Ford, you may have had a chance to derail Kavanaugh. But NOOOOOOO your side had to bring in the weeny face and 10 time rape party goer. That is where your side screwed up and all belief went out the window and became a circus. You over played your hand again.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2018 10:33 PM
Comment #432611

After reading the comments in this thread I can only say the ability of conservatives to disregard truth is IMHO much more of a concern than a few hats getting knocked off of heads. The generation long battle to win the propaganda wars has made the truth nothing more than a causality of their war for power and control. Who was it that said it is not truth that matters but victory ? Oh yeah…


Posted by: j2t2 at October 9, 2018 12:49 AM
Comment #432617

“In addition, Kavanaugh lied repeatedly under oath during his Senate appearance.”

Do tell.

Posted by: dbs at October 9, 2018 4:41 AM
Comment #432627

Whew! Good thing conservatives don’t believe in polls!

The numbers for Kavanaugh are horrific. 51% oppose his nomination, 41% support it. 52% believed Dr. Ford, 38% Kavanaugh.

A generic poll for the House shows Democrats with a 13% lead. This was before the Kavanaugh vote.

A Politico poll shows 68 GOP seats in the House are in play, and just six Democratic seats.

In a CNN poll, 73% of all white women will vote for a Democrat. Among college educated women, the number is even higher.

One piece of good news for Trump supporters. Young people do not show up in numbers for midterms. And the Governor of GA has just purged 750,000 votes right before the election. Root for Americans not to vote and you should be fine!

Posted by: phx8 at October 9, 2018 3:21 PM
Comment #432628

Correction, in the CNN poll it is 63%, not 73%.

Posted by: phx8 at October 9, 2018 3:22 PM
Comment #432629

Hmmmm, so you think you’ll get back more than the 63 seats you lost in 2010?

I can’t wait for the election. After all the spinning, twisting and excuse making in 2010 about no mandate, it’s going to be quite entertaining watching you now scream MANDATE!!!
LOL

And if you somehow blow it again, as you did in 2016, the typical excuses of gerrymandering, purging, disenfranchisement, racism etc… will be flying off the shelves.
LOL

Posted by: kctim at October 9, 2018 3:49 PM
Comment #432630

Yea phx8 we know how the polls work Hillary was supposed to win and how did that work out for you?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 9, 2018 3:50 PM
Comment #432633

“I opposed Kavanaugh’s nomination before the s*xual assault accusations came up.”

That’s fine phx8. However, the legal community praised this candidate. Your thinking is way out of line with facts and expert opinion.

I am surprised that phx8 is back to standing on a poll and making election predictions based upon them. Some folks are capable of learning from the past.

phx8 is not one of them.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 9, 2018 4:40 PM
Comment #432636

RF,
“… the legal community praised this candidate. Your thinking is way out of line with facts and expert opinion.”

No. Over 2,400 law professors signed a petition opposing Kavanaugh. That is more than one out of every four law professors in the entire country, on just one letter. There has never been opposition in the past even remotely resembling that. In addition, a former Supreme Court Justice and lifelong Republican publicly opposed confirming Kavanaugh. That is believed to be the first time a former Justice has expressed that kind of opposition. From the WaPo:

“More than 2,400 law professors have signed on to a letter saying that Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh displayed a lack of judicial restraint at a Senate hearing last week — behavior that would be disqualifying for any court nominee.”

And

“As someone who knew and liked Brett Kavanaugh when we clerked together, I have tried very hard to stay out of this process and to give him the benefit of the doubt,” said Mark Lemley, a professor at Stanford Law School. But Kavanaugh’s behavior at the hearing last week “was not what we should expect of a Supreme Court Justice. Telling obvious lies about his background, yelling at senators, refusing to answer questions, and blaming his troubles on others is not appropriate behavior.”

The condemnation specifically addressed Kavanaugh’s lack of judicial temperament and lack of impartiality.

Now he is on the Court, and this bad pick will haunt us all for a long time…

Posted by: phx8 at October 9, 2018 7:44 PM
Comment #432637
phx8 wrote: No. Over 2,400 law professors signed a petition opposing Kavanaugh. That is more than one out of every four law professors in the entire country, on just one letter.
OK. So, that means (based on your numbers, which are questionable) the other 75% did not disapprove.
phx8 wrote: There has never been opposition in the past even remotely resembling that.
Not true. Clarence Thomas and Robert Bork were also crucified.
phx8 wrote: Now he is on the Court, and this bad pick will haunt us all for a long time…
You are entitled to your opinion, for what it is worth. Posted by: d.a.n at October 9, 2018 8:04 PM
Comment #432638

I wonder how those 2400+ law professors would act if they were accused of rape, abuse, and waving their man hood in girls face? I would venture to say they would act the same way Kavanaugh did, phx8 if they knew they were innocent.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 9, 2018 8:11 PM
Comment #432639

What Mueller Investigation?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 9, 2018 8:34 PM
Comment #432641

WW,
It appears Mueller is waiting until after the election to make any announcements, in order not to influence the vote. That would be in accord with a DOJ policy, but it is not a matter of law.

Michael Flynn, the Former National Security Advisor for Trump- you remember, the guy who lead the chants of ‘lock her up’ at the convention- will be sentenced in mid-December. He pleaded guilty to a felony. Flynn, the National Security Advisor, lied to the FBI about his conversations with the Russian Ambassador. Since Flynn will be sentenced, that means the FBI will be done with him, and not need his testimony beyond that time.

Posted by: phx8 at October 9, 2018 9:00 PM
Comment #432642

What does the conviction of Flynn, or anyone else have to do with Trump colluding with the Russians?

The only collusion I have seen so far is by the DNC, and some FBI employees who abused their office and power.

Posted by: d.a.n at October 9, 2018 9:11 PM
Comment #432643

So far, the Mueller Investigation is a joke.

They got some low hanging fruit, but after all this time, they don’t have a shred of evidence to prove collusion by Trump with the Russians, and after all this time, it is unlikely Mueller ever will.

Posted by: d.a.n at October 9, 2018 9:14 PM
Comment #432644

d.a.n.,
The Mueller team is investigating Russian influence in the election, and any collaboration between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

The top people from the Trump campaign- the Campaign Manager and the Deputy Campaign Manager- have already either pleaded guilty or been convicted of multiple felonies. Most likely those two do time in prison as part of a reduced sentence. Their plea bargains have been offered because they have information valuable enough to let them off, well, not easy, but easier than decades in prison. Same for Flynn.

Trump’s personal lawyer has also pleaded guilty to multiple felonies and is cooperating with the SDNY and the Mueller probe. He has already sworn under oath that Trump directed and coordinated illegal payments to Stormy Daniels and a playboy model. That’s two felonies right there.

The thief who provided fake identities to Russians will be sentenced tomorrow.

A Foreign Policy Advisor, Papadopoulos, will do a 14 day sentence in exchange for his cooperation.

A lawyer who married the daughter of a Russian oligarch lied to the FBI, and did time.

Roger Stone says he expects to be indicted. One of his associates refused a subpoena. Quite a few people lied to Congress (and possibly the FBI), including Trump Jr., Erik Prince, and Michael Caputo. If Hope Hicks told ‘white lies’ she may be in trouble too. People who have NOT been interviewed can count on being targets. I’d say the chances of Trump Jr. remaining a free man are not good. Kushner has been interviewed for about financial matters, but nothing to do with the Russians.

A boatload of Russians and several Russian corporations have been indicted.

There is not much question Trump colluded. Before the infamous and, according to Steve Bannon, “treasonous” Trump Tower meeting, Trump Jr. called a blocked number twice while coordinating with the Russians. Trump Jr. refused to say who he called. You can bet the Mueller probe knows. And Trump was on the floor above the Russians during that meeting. Bannon said there was “zero chance” Trump did not meet with the Russians.

There is still a LOT we do not know, but you can bet the Mueller team does. That includes Cambridge Analytica, the Trump campaign obtaining the data analytics of the Clinton campaign (basically the step-by-step game plan), and more.

Posted by: phx8 at October 9, 2018 10:10 PM
Comment #432646

phx8,

Like I already asked (and you still failed to answer):

What does the conviction of Flynn, or anyone else have to do with Trump colluding with the Russians?

Where is the evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians?

Mueller got some low hanging fruit, but after all this time, Mueller does not have a shred of evidence to prove collusion by Trump with the Russians, and it is unlikely Mueller ever will.

Good luck holding Russians and Russian corporations accountable.

The only collusion I have seen so far is by the DNC, and some FBI employees who abused their office and power.

You are SO, SO, SO hopeful that Trump collusion will be found. Don’t you think Mueller would have already announced (or leaked) it, if such evidence existed?

So far, the Mueller Investigation is a joke.


Posted by: d.a.n at October 9, 2018 10:18 PM
Comment #432647

They’re also going to impeach Kavanaugh! They really have their plate full. We better not elect them because they won’t have time to do any governing!

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 9, 2018 11:09 PM
Comment #432648

You must be kidding.

An investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 campaign, and the campaign’s coordination with the Russians, that takes down the Campaign Manager and Deputy Campaign Manager is just plucking “low hanging fruit”?

Flynn was the National Security Advisor. He was lied to the FBI about his conversations with the Russian Ambassador. How bad does this have to get?

“Russia, if you’re listening…”
Trump made that appeal twice that day. When asked later that same day, he insisted he was not joking, that he was serious. The same night Trump made that appeal they attacked HRC’s server for the first time.

Trump cited Wikileaks- a hostile non-state intelligence operation that often acts on behalf of the Russians, according to CIA Director Pompeo- Trump praised them over one hundred times during the month of October, 2016. “I Love Wikileaks.”

How bad does this have to get?

You think indicting members of the Russian GRU and Russian corporations interfering with our election is insignificant? Really? Because Trump keeps calling the investigation a “hoax” and a “witch hunt.”

Seriously, what do you think will happen after the midterm election? You can bet the Mueller team and the Trump administration are already gaming this out: how to counter firings and pardons.

You know the DOJ is also investigating Maria Butina, the Russian spy who infiltrated the NRA, right?

Posted by: phx8 at October 9, 2018 11:15 PM
Comment #432649

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/9/fire-engulfs-office-fan-russian-site-linked-troll-/

Federal News Agency, a Russian-based website linked to Moscow’s meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential race, had its office set on fire overnight, regional media reported. Video footage shared by the website, also known as FAN, showed a fire starting inside its St. Petersburg office shortly before 3 a.m. Tuesday morning. Authorities said a suspect shattered a window on FAN’s ground-floor office and lobbed a Molotov cocktail inside
Posted by: ohrealy at October 9, 2018 11:26 PM
Comment #432650

phx8,

No. I am not kidding one little bit.

Where is the evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians?

You and other leftists keep telling us how serious it is, but the evidence never materializes.

So, you keep saying: Wait … just wait … it’s coming any day now … Oh, it’s coming after the next election … Oh, wait …

You’ve been listening too much to Rachel Madcow’s conspiracy theories that also never quite materialize.

How long has Mueller been investigating so-called Trump collusion with Russia ? MAY, 2017 ?

IF Mueller had any evidence of Trump collusion with Russia, we would have heard about it already.

Here it is OCT-2018.

Where is the evidence that will bring down Trump?

IF there is evidence, then Trump, and others should be held accountable, and we will all say:

  • WOW! One of phx8’s predictions finally came true!!!
  • But I haven’t seen any evidence yet, and IF it existed, Mueller would have found it by now (after 17 months). And how much is this investigation (consisting of mostly, if not all, Democrats) costing the tax payers?

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 9, 2018 11:53 PM
    Comment #432651

    Again, the only evidence I have seen so far of collusion is between the Russians, and the DNC and some FBI employees.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 9, 2018 11:58 PM
    Comment #432682

    d.a.n.,
    You probably know Peter Strzok. Ever see the show “The Americans”? It was about Russian efforts to install sleeper agents into American society, seemingly ordinary Moms and Dads who would work undercover. Well, that actually happened, but not the way it was on television. The Russian effort was infiltrated when the first sleepers graduated from college, and FBI counterintelligence monitored them until 2010, when we busted them. We knew everything they were doing! You know who led that effort? That’s right. Peter Strzok.

    He was, without a doubt, public enemy #1 for the Kremlin.

    Ever hear of Bruce Ohr? Probably not. His specialty was busting Russian mobsters. He would be right at the top of the list too.

    The fact is, the major figures in FBI Russian counterintelligence have been attacked one after another, starting at the top and working down. Almost the entire top tier of the FBI has been purged now.

    And you can bet Putin is very, very happy.

    Posted by: phx8 at October 10, 2018 2:32 PM
    Comment #432684

    phx8 is all atwitter as he claims 2400 Liberal professors signed a letter that indicates a “real man”, one worthy of sitting on the supreme court, would have remained stoic as his reputation was being destroyed and he was being accused of a criminal felony act.

    Sorry phx8, “real men” don’t act this way under those circumstances.

    Why would we be surprised that Liberal Professors from Liberal schools don’t like conservatives?

    Would we be surprised to learn that the New York Times and all their Liberal media consorts favors abortion?

    An old saying says that those who can…DO. And, those who can’t…TEACH. The ABA is an association of doers.

    “The ABA standing committee on the judiciary released its evaluation of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh awarding him a unanimous “well-qualified” rating.
    The panel issues its evaluation based on a variety of measures including integrity, professional competence, and judicial temperament.”

    Posted by: Royal Flush at October 10, 2018 2:49 PM
    Comment #432685

    ” Almost the entire top tier of the FBI has been purged now.”

    We wonder which, of many, definitions of the word “purged” phx8 is using in this context. I believe phx8 is hoping to convince us that these “top tier” people in the FBI were unjustly removed.

    His defense of Peter Strzok and Bruce Ohr is illuminating. It appears that phx8 believes that public servants who have done something good on the job should get a pass when they do something bad on the job.

    Posted by: Royal Flush at October 10, 2018 2:59 PM
    Comment #432686

    I think phx8 believes when things help the liberal/ progressive cause it’s a good thing R. F. They were helping Hillary get elected but their scheme didn’t work and it got them fired and possibly in line for jail time.

    Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 10, 2018 3:44 PM
    Comment #432690

    Big market drop today. DJIA down 832. Up something like 3% for 2018. NASDAQ down something like 8% for the month of October. Supposedly this drop is due to rising interest rates and a rotation from growth stocks to stocks paying dividends, and to bonds.

    I believe it. The tax cuts are turning into an economic catastrophe. Interest rates will continue to rise. The really troubling thing is that the tax cuts went almost entirely into the stock market. Remember when households were supposed to average $4,000 gains? Guffaw. Nope. The tax cuts went into the stock market, and fueled a run up last year.

    Real wages (wage increase - inflation) remain flat ytd. CEO pay increased 13%. Inflation remains at the top of the Federal Reserve range, so regular 1/4% hikes will continue. The rising rates will choke off the real estate market and construction.

    And if this market tanks, all those hundred of billions the GOP & Trump robbed from the Treasury to pay off rich donors will go up in smoke. Poof! And that means someone- Trump or the next president- will be in the terrible position of raising taxes during a recession, which will make the recession even worse, even as deficit skyrockets and the national debt balloons.

    Remember those two huge tax cuts the GOP brought us under Bush? They brought two recessions. Bush started with a budget surplus and ended up with a $1.4 trillion deficit. Bush started with a stabilized national debt of @ $5 trillion. By the time Obama dug us out of that hole, the debt was over $18 trillion.

    Now Trump and the GOP have jacked up the deficit Obama once reduced, and made the position of everyone- well, except for very very rich people- the position of everyone else, I should say, much worse.

    Better start making excuses, conservatives.

    Posted by: phx8 at October 10, 2018 5:56 PM
    Comment #432691

    Please ignore any investment advise from phx8. As you can read above, he is not even aware of how markets and money work.

    Posted by: Royal Flush at October 10, 2018 6:00 PM
    Comment #432695
    phx8 wrote: d.a.n., You probably know Peter Strzok.
    Yes. Peter Strzok was the Chief of the Counterespionage Section and led the FBI’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email server. Strzok hid evidence about Anthony Weiner’s access to Huma Abedin’s (Hillary Clinton’s top assistant) laptop for several weeks. The notebook had 140.000 emails on it. Strzok should have been indicted (not only fired). And Comey, when finding out about the emails, reported it publicly, but Comey still found that Hillary Clinton would not be indicted. The law is now about intent; only that a crime was commited. Intent may only be relevant to the sentence if found guilty. And Hillary was guilty of breaking the law.
    phx8 wrote:He was, without a doubt, public enemy #1 for the Kremlin.
    Strzok, based on all of his twittering with Lisa Page and others, and other evidence, made it very clear about his political bias and goals, which are a disgrace to the U.S.A.
    phx8 wrote:Ever hear of Bruce Ohr?
    Yes, he is another disgrace to the U.S.A., and he should be fired, if not indicted too. Fusion GPS hired Bruce’s wife, Nellie Ohr, an independent contractor and Russia specialist, to conduct “research and analysis” of Donald Trump. No conflict of interest there, eh? Did Nellie Ohr also work on the Steele dossier?
    phx8 wrote:The fact is, the major figures in FBI Russian counterintelligence have been attacked one after another, starting at the top and working down. Almost the entire top tier of the FBI has been purged now.
    That’s a good thing. Some in the FBI, with clear political biases, were trying to affect the 2016 election. Some more need to be fired and/or indicted. Too many in the FBI were/are abusing their positions, based on their political bias.
    phx8 wrote:And you can bet Putin is very, very happy.
    The Russians are probably simply amazed with the ridiculousness of the Democrat’s obsession with Trump collusion with the Russians.

    Again, where is the evidence that there was any Trump collusion with the Russians?

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 10, 2018 8:48 PM
    Comment #432697

    phx8,

    You truly sound like you want the markets to tank.

    Reminds me of Bill Maher, who acknowledged that the economy was “going pretty well”, but then big-mouth Bill Maher, shared his hope that the economy would tank, so that it would hurt Trump politically:

    Bill Maher said: “I feel like the bottom has to fall out [of the economy] at some point. And by the way, I’m hoping for it. I think one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy.”

    Also reminds me of the noticeable increase in left-wing extremism, violence, thugishness, harassment, incitement, and nastiness from the left since 2016.

    As for the national debt, the Democrats are culpable too (possibly, more culpable)?
    House and Senate Democrats voted OVERWHELMINGLY for the 2018 budget.
    source: www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2018/06/20/house-and-senate-democrats-vote-68-percent-and-85-percent-for-massive-military-spending/

    Here are the deficits since 2007:

    • 2007: $161 Billion
    • 2008: $458 Billion
    • 2009: $1,413 Billion (Obama)
    • 2010: $1,294 Billion (Obama)
    • 2011: $1,295 Billion (Obama)
    • 2012: $1,087 Billion (Obama)
    • 2013: $679 Billion (Obama)
    • 2014: $485 Billion (Obama)
    • 2015: $438 Billion (Obama)
    • 2016: $585 Billion (Obama)
    • 2017: $665 Billion (Trump)
    • 2018: $833 Billion (Trump) estimated

    U.S. National Debt (doubled under Obama between JAN-2009-to-JAN-2017; i.e. $10-to-$20 Trillion):

    • U.S. National Debt in TRILLION$
    • $25.0 |—————————————————————
    • $22.5 |————————————————————o-
    • $20.0 |———————————————————-o—
    • $17.5 |——————————————————-o——
    • $15.0 |—————————————————-o———
    • $12.5 |————————————————-o————
    • $10.0 |———————————————o—————-
    • $07.5 |————————————o————————-
    • $05.0 |—————————-o———————————
    • $02.5 |———-o—————————————————
    • $00.0 |_1980_85_90_95_00_05_10_15_18___YEAR

      U.S. National Debt:
    • Year 2008: $9.2 Trillion (G.W. Bush)
    • Year 2009: $10.3 Trillion (Obama) JAN-2009
    • Year 2010: $12.1 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2011: $14.1 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2012: $15.4 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2013: $16.2 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2014: $17.1 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2015: $18.0 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2016: $19.1 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2016: $20.0 Trillion (Obama) JAN-2017
    • Year 2017: $20.1 Trillion (Trump)
    • Year 2018: $21.5 Trillion (Trump) SEP-2018
    source: tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt

    Obama set records on spending, and doubled the federal national debt to $20 Trillion from JAN-2009 to JAN-2017 (see above).
    The federal government already gets more than enough money.
    The federal government needs to cut spending.
    No single president will solve the national debt problem, and it may very likely solve itself the hard and ugly way.
    It is true, that there will eventually be consequences for so much debt, when it finally becomes untenable.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 10, 2018 9:10 PM
    Comment #432730

    d.a.n.,
    The GOP increased the national debt BY CHOICE. They instituted tax cuts that got it rolling under Reagan, increased it under Bush #41, and then between the War in Iraq and the two Bush #43 tax cuts, BY CHOICE, blew it up. Trump is doing the same.

    The Democrats stabilized the debt under Clinton, and increased the national debt out of NECESSITY under Obama, to prevent people the Great Recession from becoming the another Great Depression; by some measures, the Recession was actually worse than the Depression, especially in regard to foreclosures. No liberal wanted to rack up the debt saving the financial sector- what was left of it after deregulation destroyed them- or bailing out GM, but that is what the Democrats and Obama did. And it worked.

    You’re welcome. There is not a day that goes by that you should not be thanking Obama for saving this country’s economy. Thank your lucky stars.

    Another big down day on the markets. Let’s see if it recovers before the close…

    Posted by: phx8 at October 11, 2018 1:31 PM
    Comment #432741
    phx8 wrote:d.a.n., The GOP increased the national debt BY CHOICE. They instituted tax cuts that got it rolling under Reagan, increased it under Bush #41, and then between the War in Iraq and the two Bush #43 tax cuts, BY CHOICE, blew it up. Trump is doing the same.
    True. I never condoned all the irresponsible spending, and the War in Iraq was a disaster based on Weapons of Mass Destruction that never existed.

    However, you conveniently ignore that Obama set a new record by doubling the debt from $10.3 Trillion to $20 Trillion.

      U.S. National Debt:
    • Year 2008: $9.2 Trillion (G.W. Bush)
    • Year 2009: $10.3 Trillion (Obama) JAN-2009
    • Year 2010: $12.1 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2011: $14.1 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2012: $15.4 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2013: $16.2 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2014: $17.1 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2015: $18.0 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2016: $19.1 Trillion (Obama)
    • Year 2016: $20.0 Trillion (Obama) JAN-2017
    • Year 2017: $20.1 Trillion (Trump)
    • Year 2018: $21.5 Trillion (Trump) SEP-2018
    source: tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt

    phx8 wrote:The Democrats stabilized the debt under Clinton,…
    Not true.

    Bill Clinton almost balanced the annual deficit only in his last year (of 8) in office.

    phx8 wrote: … and increased the national debt out of NECESSITY under Obama, to prevent people the Great Recession from becoming the another Great Depression; by some measures, the Recession was actually worse than the Depression, especially in regard to foreclosures. No liberal wanted to rack up the debt saving the financial sector- what was left of it after deregulation destroyed them- or bailing out GM, but that is what the Democrats and Obama did. And it worked.
    Not true.

    Liberals love to tax and spend.
    The Democrats are culpable too (possibly, more culpable)?
    House and Senate Democrats voted OVERWHELMINGLY for the 2018 budget.
    source: www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2018/06/20/house-and-senate-democrats-vote-68-percent-and-85-percent-for-massive-military-spending/

    The economic disaster caused when the mortgage bubble burst (2007-2009) was averted when the federal reserve injected trillions of dollars into the banks, and this was done BEFORE Obama was in office.

    ALL of the major banks repaid those loans.

    The George Bush bailed out Genaral Motors ($17.4 Billion in loans), and tax payers lost $10 Billion on that bad deal (when the GM stock sunk).

    BOTH Republicans and Democrats were BOTH equally responsible for the mortgage bubble crisis.

    Obama made things worse, at the worst time possible, with Obamacare, and excessive regulations, and not having a clue about economics, etc.

    As for the stock market, it looks pretty good (DJIA at about 25,000, and up about 7,112 from 17,888 OCT-2016) since Trump took office JAN-2017, despite your apparent hopes for it to tank:

    • Dow Jones Industrial Average:
    • $27,500 |————————————————————————————
    • $27,000 |————————————————————————————
    • $26,000 |———————————————o——————————-o—-
    • $26,500 |———————————————-o————————-o—-o—
    • $26,000 |——————————————-o—o——-o———o————o-
    • $25,500 |——————————————-o———-o——o—————-o-
    • $25,000 |————————————————-o—o—o———————-o
    • $24,500 |——————————————o——-o——————————-
    • $24,000 |————————————————————————————
    • $23,500 |—————————————o——————————————-
    • $23,000 |————————————-o———————————————
    • $22,500 |———————————o————————————————-
    • $22,000 |———————-o——o—————————————————-
    • $21,500 |————-o—o——o———————————————————
    • $21,000 |————o———————————————————————-
    • $20,500 |———o————————————————————————-
    • $19,500 |————————————————————————————
    • $19,000 |——-o—————————————————————————
    • $18,500 |—-o——————————————————————————
    • $18,000 |—o——————————————————————————-
    • $17,500 |o———————————————————————————-
    • $17,000 |O N D J F M A M J J A S O N D J F M A M J J A S O _ DATE
    • ————- |2016-2017———————————2018————————————

    I always get a kick out of people, who paint a ROSY-AND-WONDERFUL or END-OF-THE-WORLD picture, depending on their ultra-partisan viewpoint, and which party is currently the IN-PARTY and the OUT-PARTY.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 11, 2018 4:09 PM
    Comment #432743

    CORRECTION: Obama did not make things worse, but he could have had a GREAT recovery, instead of a luke-warm-to-weak recovery, if it were not for several things at the worst time possible (i.e. Obamacare, and excessive regulations, and not having a clue about economics, etc.).

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 11, 2018 4:14 PM
    Comment #432745

    He also promoted race hatred and violence against cops with his snide remarks most people would attribute to a non-thinking person.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 11, 2018 4:22 PM
    Comment #432746

    That is, the economy recovered some, in spite of Obama’s Obamacare, bad policies, excessive regulations, increased taxation, largest number of people collecting foodstamps, and attempt to spread the wealth.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 11, 2018 4:32 PM
    Comment #432747

    Isn’t it terrible, WW, the way black men keep throwing themselves in front of police bullets?

    Hey, let’s play spot the black person! In the PA rally I saw one person who might be black out of crowd of 100 white people.

    And guess what! Your man, Kanye West, was in the Oval Office today. He gave an incoherent 10 minute rant and must surely be the first person to use the occasion to declare himself a “crazy mother*cker.”

    Here is Kanye and his special moment with Taylor Swift. Go forward 40 seconds:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z8gCZ7zpsQ

    He was whacked on something. Meanwhile, Taylor Swift, a notoriously apolitical entertainer, came out in favor of Democrats and urged people to vote. 65,000 people registered right then and there.

    Posted by: phx8 at October 11, 2018 4:37 PM
    Comment #432750

    So what you’re saying is Taylor Swift might have 65,000 fake followers? Taylor Swift endorses Democratics and one guy hit’s the enter button. Is that what you’re saying?

    You should stop being a racist, phx8.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 11, 2018 5:23 PM
    Comment #432752

    Taylor Swift is followed by 84 million on Twitter. She has the 5th most followers. Obama ranks 3rd. Trump ranks 17th.

    Gosh, WW, won’t you help, and prove Trump and his supporters are not racist, and point out the hundreds of black people attending the PA rally? I’m having a hard time finding any. If blacks represent 10% of the population, (and 16% of the city of Erie population) and if that Trump rally had thousands of attendants, there should be literally hundreds of black people in the audience. HUNDREDS. Hmph. Wonder why they’re not there. Gee. Quite a poser. What could possibly explain this?

    Posted by: phx8 at October 11, 2018 5:34 PM
    Comment #432755

    Link to the videos of the PA rally and I’ll take a look at them. I’ll probably get you to change your story again.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 11, 2018 6:00 PM
    Comment #432756

    We do appreciate phx8’s ability to spot racism. It is a proven Liberal fact that minorities must show up in equal numbers, according to the Liberal formula, to white’s if the even is to be non-racist. Ensuring a non-racist event is more important than the message given at the event.

    What phx8 is suggesting is the same solution used to fix public school race imbalance. We need taxpayer paid busing to political events. This is similar to busing people to polling places.

    May I suggest that our Pal phx8 starts finding other areas of discrimination at political events. We would appreciate his counting and reporting the number of elder Americans versus the number of middle-aged and young. We would appreciate his counting and reporting the number of women versus men. We also need the numbers of gays, straights, etc.

    phx8 should be congratulated on his race, gender, and age studies. Perhaps there is a Nobel prize in his future.

    Posted by: Royal Flush at October 11, 2018 6:07 PM
    Comment #432762

    Perhaps phx8 could get the media to point their cameras anywhere else but at the podium. Then we could see that all the black people are sitting in the back of the room.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 11, 2018 8:29 PM
    Comment #432797

    Swift has endorsed an ‘old white guy’ that would have voted to confirm Judge Kavanaugh to the USSC. She chose an ‘old white guy’ over a woman. Why does Taylor Swift hate women?

    Because she is supporting a dem, Swift is brave, courageous and strong.
    Because he is supporting Trump, Kanye is a mentally ill token ‘negro.’
    Why are dems so racist?

    “won’t you help, and prove Trump and his supporters are not racist, and point out the hundreds of black people attending the PA rally?”

    So, ‘black people’ aren’t smart enough to disagree with Republicans on the economy, taxation, foreign affairs or national security. The only reason they support dems in such high numbers is because they think Republicans are racists?

    Of all the racist drivel you post phx8, this ranks right up there with the worst. You should be ashamed.

    Posted by: kctim at October 12, 2018 8:39 AM
    Comment #432799

    - He gave an incoherent 10 minute rant and must surely be the first person to use the occasion to declare himself a “crazy mother*cker.”

    https://twitter.com/TianaTheFirst/status/1050440835983134720

    Posted by: kctim at October 12, 2018 9:08 AM
    Comment #432807

    Ha ha !

    Still not the dirtiest thing to come out of someone’s mouth in the Oval Office !

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 12, 2018 11:49 AM
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