​Mr. President - Don't Do a Jimmy Carter With Kim Jong-un

As news spreads of an apparent meeting that has been tentatively scheduled between President Trump and North Korea’s Kim Jong-un, it’s helpful to remember a little recent history. Recent if you’re my age of course.

In mid-1994, North Korea's leader, Kim Il-sung was unknowingly a few weeks from his death, and was in a stand-off with America over spent fuel rods being removed from the DPRK's nuclear reactor at Yongbyon. International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors were being denied access to the facility and the Clinton administration was seriously considering sanctions against the North Korean regime. The risk of a second Korean War was real, more real than most realized at the time, with the recent passing of Kurt Cobain and the World Cup of that funny sport called soccer coming to America, occupying a lot of the news.

But the threat of war resulting from planned sanctions (a threat enunciated by Kim Il-sung himself) was real enough to produce an extremely high-level meeting of top military brass in mid-May of that year, in order to put together a plan of action for the military in the case of war on the peninsula. The risks and the costs of that planned conflict were high and the military analysts warned Clinton's White House of this. Diplomacy should be exhausted first was the general idea.

Enter Jimmy Carter, a decade and a half out of the White House and eager peace-loving roving ambassador. He apparently had an open invitation to visit North Korea and, using Al Gore as an intermediary, he asked if he could go. Clinton said yes, so Carter went and promptly overstepped the cautious limits he was instructed to follow, by instead negotiating and then publically pressing for (live on CNN) and thus forcing, a disastrous peace deal on the White House, and the U.S. And Asia and the world.

North Korea's Kim Il-sung died a few weeks later. There's a story about his son Kim Jong-il sending his father's physicians away and calling for doctors from Pyongyang to attend the leader who had suffered a heart attack. Until the regime collapses we'll have no way of knowing if that's really true. We're not even sure of the exact date on which Kim Jong-il himself later died. Or what fricking year Kim Jong-un was born. But we do know that North Korea soon resumed it's clandestine progress towards nuclear weapons capability and now, some 24 years later, we're at a far more dangerous junction, where the costs of any conflict would be even higher.

So. A reminder to President Trump: don't do a Jimmy Carter. I know your advisers have prepped you on this, and you are no Jimmy Carter. But more importantly, don't get fooled by Kim Jong-un. He wants to use the promise of de-nuclearization to demand the removal of American troops from the Korean peninsula and then use his forces to invade and "unify" North and South Korea under his crazed leadership. There is no way on earth or the middle kingdom or the hermit kingdom that he will give up his nuclear weapons without a serious risk of war. Or perhaps even without a war. Period.

Kim Jong-un is no Gorbachev and you're not Reagan Mr. President.

Maybe you could meet in Hawaii Mr. President, and let him know that America will never allow another Pearl Harbor. And that the only way Kim Jong-un can expect peace from America is to turn himself and his crony killers in to the International Criminal Court. That won't happen of course. So we can never expect true, lasting peace or a real and effective peace deal until the Kim's are gone and North Korea can join the civilized world. Until then sanctions and containment will have to do. And just maybe the very real threat of a pre-emptive strike. One that should have been launched in that summer of 1994.

Posted by Keeley at March 9, 2018 1:23 PM
Comments
Comment #425285

Keeley, there will be no Reaganesque proclamation of “trust but verify” for Kim by President Trump.

The president has loads of experience dealing with worldly business leaders (foreign and domestic), potentates, dictators, and tin-horn Commies. He is certainly not a novice, and in most cases, has won good deals at the negotiating table when he was in business.

President Trump is among less than a handful of presidents that I consider street-smart and shrewd in bargaining for the good of the United States. Mr. Obama’s middle name should have been “capitulation” when it came to dealing with adversaries.

President Trump will demand the destruction of all nuclear bombs, bomb making facilities, and intercontinental missiles by the North Korean regime before any slackening of sanctions.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 9, 2018 6:11 PM
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If only we could govern by hindsight. Good thing we have Trump in office IMHO. The personalities of both leaders are close enough they could hit it off well should they actually meet. If they would only duke it out between them, last one standing gets his way. But it is more complicated than that.

The president was very Duterte in his Pennsylvania speech this past week, perhaps the two of them should go see…oh and Putin and al-Assad as well.

Royal we don’t doubt Trump will demand all these things but what are the chances these demands won’t be returned in kind? What if Kim demands we do the same? I would think that once Kim is over his ROTFLMAO attack he will ask us to step up and lead the way in this disarmament. Of course with Putin there perhaps Kim would ask Putin to give up his new nuclear WMD’s as well. Ya know Royal the more I think about it the more it seems we are all naive, not just Trump, when it comes to asking Kim to give up the nukes when we see Putin bleating out threats with his, if only our president would demand of Putin the same thing he demands of Kim…right? That kind of strong leadership would go far… but alas he is compromised isn’t he?

Seems to me this circle jerk Trump started a while back is what happens when we send the naive out against the likes of the worlds leaders. He can bark all he wants but he is muzzled and Kim knows it as he watched Putin put the muzzle on him just this past week. The silence after Putins boast was staggering, not even a tweet. To bad conservatives don’t realize loud boasting and foolish threats doesn’t make a leader strong.

The weakness of Trump is he is lost but thinks he is a player, because he can get a golf course and hotel built in most countries, and he got played even before he got out of the chutes. Yep Putin, al-Assad and Kim riding the Trump and Duterte around the room drinking Russian vodka,Al-Chark beer and eating kimchi while ogling Filipino girls and conducting trade talks. The other TPP as it were.

To bad for us Putin has co-opted our president before helping get him elected. Trump is gonna have to get out from under the Putin manipulations or secede the office to someone that isn’t tainted by Putin. How far down the list would we have to go before we found someone like that? Of course he can think these are two separate issues and try to back Kim down but unless the personalities include naivety then Kim won’t be bluffed as easy as many conservatives seem to think.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 13, 2018 1:24 PM
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Hmmm…j2t2 doesn’t know that Kim is the one who asked for talks. Frankly, I will be surprised if negotiations actually take place. But, like President Trump has stated, we must try to work to make the world safer from the North Korean threat.

With Tillerson gone, it will be much easier for the president to carry out his plans for both North Korea and Iran.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 13, 2018 4:20 PM
Comment #425353

Good Grief, have you seen this video of Hillary Clinton in India.

https://vimeo.com/259784593

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 13, 2018 4:24 PM
Comment #425370

China is making Kim give up his nuclear program, so he is using that to fool the dotard.

Posted by: Ohrealy at March 13, 2018 5:11 PM
Comment #425374

How can we explain the shallow understanding of world affairs and strategic American interests by many Liberals on WatchBlog?

Perhaps they aren’t misinformed, they just choose to write ignorant political pap.

We know that SoS Tillerson opposed the president with regard to handling North Korea, thrashing the Iranian deal, and Man-made global warming. I am glad Tillerson is gone. Pompeo will make a great SecState.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 13, 2018 7:50 PM
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From day one the left has been saying Trump is a failure, and every day Trump moves forward. What would the left say if Trump arranges the unification of N&S Korea? Would they call it dumb luck? Obama led the way? It would have happened regardless? Anything but give Trump credit, right?

If Trump reunites Korea they should take Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize from him and give it to Trump. Trump will have earned his award.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 13, 2018 10:53 PM
Comment #425395

Trump capitulated to North Korea. He caved. He gave them direct negotiations with him without preconditions, without getting anything in return, something no president has been willing to do since the end of the fighting in 1953. Trump is weak. There is a scramble to come up with conditions, but it is difficult without an SoS in place, or ambassador to South Korea.

Yesterday was a barn burner.

Tillerson was fired.

The #4 guy at State was fired shortly afterwards for publicly contradicting the account of Tillerson’s firing given by Kelly and Trump. This firing by tweet is yet another example of Trump’s weakness.

The acting head of NASA suddenly announced his retirement.

Trump’s personal aide was fired and escorted from the White House grounds without even being allowed to grab his jacket. Apparently he was involved in financial crimes. This story was incredible in and of itself, but was swamped by ensuing events.

It was revealed Kellyanne Conway accompanied disgraced and fired HHS Secretary Price on at least ten flights, needlessly costing taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars. Fortunately for her, the story received almost no attention due to the general collapse of the Trump administration.

Carson lied about his staffers arranging the $31,000 furniture set. E-mails showed he and his wife picked it. A day or two before, SoI Zinke was caught ordering $140,000 doors for his office. Those must be amazing doors!

But the biggest news came from PA. A Democrat won a House seat in a district carried by 20 points for Trump, and 17 for Romney. This loss occurred despite personal visits from Trump, Pence, Trump Jr., and dropping twice as much money as the Democrats. A 20 point swing means 119 GOP seats would be endangered in the House. Of course, local issues and the quality of candidates will vary, but… 20 points? That spells disaster for the GOP.

Posted by: phx8 at March 14, 2018 3:26 PM
Comment #425396
That spells disaster for the GOP. Posted by: phx8 at March 14, 2018 3:26 PM

And it was a gerrymandered district too.

Tillerson is gone because he crossed Putain on his terrorist attack in Salisbury, and Dumpty was told to get rid of him. Salisbury was the place that had a boy bishop who died in office in the middle ages. The cathedral choristers elected one of their own to be the bishop during the season from Dec 6, St. Nicholas Day, to Jan 6, Epiphany.

We’ll see what happens with Pompeo. He’s supposed to be very hawkish on Iran, but the Kochs have always done business with Iran, sanctioned or not, and he was their rep in the US-HOR.

I got the hard copy of Chernow’s bio of Grant. The print is even smaller than Hamilton. I have the E copies of it, Fire and Fury, The Plot to Hack America, and the new bio of Fermi, The Last Man Who Knew Everything. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/24/books/review/david-n-schwartz-the-last-man-who-knew-everything.html

I was surprised that Fire and Fury is so well written. It’s much better than I expected.

The aide fired for financial crimes, John McEntee, went right from the WH to Dumpty’s campaign for dictator for life:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/13/17115968/john-mcentee-trump-aide-fired

Posted by: ohrealy at March 14, 2018 4:56 PM
Comment #425399

The biggest news came from PA?
50 some % Republican turnout from 2016.
Lamb is pro 2nd Amendment. Even campaigned at an evil gun show.
Lamb supported the tariffs.
Lamb is pro-life, but says the Supreme Court ruling should be honored.
Lamb doesn’t support the ridiculous idea of a $15 minimum wage.
Lamb came out against re-electing Pelosi as Speaker of the House.
Lamb supports more border security.
Lamb did not attack President Trump or parrot the latest Russian conspiracy theories.
Lamb won by running as a moderate democrat/Republican.

He11, Hillary would be President today IF she would have ran as a normal democrat, instead of adopting the leftist progressive BS.

Posted by: kctim at March 14, 2018 5:13 PM
Comment #425400

By the way, I left out the disastrous interview by Betsy DeVos, Secretary of Education. It has been called the worst interview given by a politician since Sarah Palin face planted because of that veritable tiger of journalism, Katie Couric. Betsy DeVos is an absolute idiot. She is there because of her campaign donation; that, and her brother Erik Prince runs the mercenary business Blackwater, and served as a back channel connection to Russia via the UAE, during that clandestine meeting in the Seychelles.

The UAE/Qatar Kushner corruption story is also off the front pages, but that one is too big to stay down.

And oh, yeah, Trump’s personal assistant, the one fired for financial crimes and hustled off the premises, was immediately hired to be a Senior Advisor for the Trump 2020 campaign.

You can’t make this stuff up.

ohrealy,
The Grant biography was heavy going but very enjoyable. I knew about Reconstruction, but did not realize just how bad it was in the South 1865-76, with the militias and midnight riders resistance to freedom and equal rights for black people.

Pompeo, yeah, he’s owned by the Koch Brothers. It will be interesting to see what they want from him in his new position. Supporters of Pompeo claim he is smart, but I watched Hillary Clinton slap him down during the live Benghazi hearing, and he did not impress me. He is a partisan and a hawk, and how that’s supposed to work out for the chief diplomatic position is something no one can justify or even explain. Even worse, Tillerson left State in tatters, with literally dozens of ambassadorships and top echelon positions unfilled. It’s not like it’s January 2017, and Pompeo is being handed a healthy department by the super competent Obama administration. This thing’s a total mess. Our relationships with allies is in terrible shape and trending worse.

“Fire and Fury” was interesting to me, not so much because it presented new material, but that it tied all the stories that were already out there into one coherent narrative, seen primarily through Steve Bannon’s perspective.

Posted by: phx8 at March 14, 2018 5:15 PM
Comment #425403

“That spells disaster for the GOP.”

Hardly that phx8. This guy won running as a Trump conservative. That sells doom for the Liberal’s plans on bigger government, gun confiscation, and open borders.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 14, 2018 6:05 PM
Comment #425404
seen primarily through Steve Bannon’s perspective. Posted by: phx8 at March 14, 2018 5:15 PM

That’s the biggest stumbling block for me. Evil is evil. Bannon and Ailes are/were both worthless sacks of sh!te. Ailes is easier to stomach since he’s dead, and the other one lives on. Dumpty lives on, but Stephen Hawking died at the ripe old age of 76.

I’m reading the Grant bio out of order. I started with his problems with Pres Johnson, and then went to the 1880 convention in Chicago. I’m not impressed with the writing so far.

The State Dept may be a Late Dept. Pompeo could continue to dismantle it since Dumpty has no use for diplomacy, and those may be Putain’s orders. We’ll see what happens with T.May in the UK basically calling out Putain and Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. She may not last though.

Mueller may indict Assange, putting Ecuador in a fix. I don’t see him coming to the US, but he could be released to the UK, face whatever charges there, and then go back to Sweden.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 14, 2018 6:28 PM
Comment #425405

Pompeo was the top recipient of Koch money in the HOR, “That’s over $900,000 to buy one Congressman” from

https://thinkprogress.org/secretary-of-state-pick-pompeo-top-koch-money-recipient-e910ba9e14fd/

Posted by: ohrealy at March 14, 2018 9:28 PM
Comment #425408

kctim,
I’m totally fine with a the election of a moderate/conservative Democrat. The Democrats are far less ideological than the Republicans. Lamb ran the election as a local one and refused to engage in national politics. Curiously, the GOP took the opposite tack, bringing in Trump, Pence, and others, and talking about Nancy Pelosi and tax cuts. Obviously that did not work.

RF,
According to exit polls, the biggest issue among voters in PA was health care. Not immigration. Not gun control. Not open borders or a wall. Health care. Is that surprising?

Tax cuts did not do the GOP any good. Almost all of the tax cuts went to the richest of the rich, and corporations. They put the lion’s share of that money into the stock market and stock buy backs.

The Trump administration pushed tariffs for steel right before this election with the intention of swinging the vote in their favor. No problem. That’s the benefit of being the party in power. Unfortunately, tariffs won’t really help steel, because while production has dropped 1/3, and employment has dropped even more. It is the same problem for coal. Overall demand is down, there is foreign competition, and technology has made reduced employment in that sector dramatically. Today only 83,000 work in the steel industry.

Here’s the thing. Trump has made a public case for his success in undermining Obamacare. This fall the new pricing for health care insurance will be rolled out, and thanks to Trump’s hollowing out the structure for paying for it, the premium increases will be huge. This will be right before the election. The GOP & Trump are in charge, and they have six more months to fix the problem they created. I’d say the chances of them doing anything are negligible.

Whether it is Pittsburgh- the capitol of Appalachia- or elsewhere, people will ultimately vote the issues that matter the most to them, and health care is likely to be near the top of any list.

Posted by: phx8 at March 14, 2018 10:59 PM
Comment #425409

“We’ll see what happens with T.May in the UK basically calling out Putain and Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism.”

About time! Putin has been murdering former Russian agents and dissidents on UK soil for quite some time with exotic means. The British inquiry on the death of Litvinenko clearly implicated high level Russian agents and probably Putin.

Trump needs to wake up and learn something about Putin from what’s happening in the UK and Syria. He is a murderer and intent on reinstating Russia as a major power.

While Trump may hate Hillary, I would suggest that he take seriously Clinton’s assessment of Putin’s soul that GW saw in Putin. She said: Putin is a former KBG agent, by definition, they have no soul.

Posted by: Rich at March 14, 2018 11:35 PM
Comment #425410

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5789391/russian-nerve-agent-theresa-may-salisbury-poisoning-novichok/

“The PM told MPs this afternoon that ministers are ready to take much more extensive measures against the country and branded Russia’s suspected use of the nerve agent Novichok on Britain’s streets as a ‘reckless and despicable act’”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/westminster-today-live-updates-theresa-may-russia-spy-nerve-agent-pmqs-rt-brexit-corbyn-a8254931.html

“Theresa May announces UK will expel 23 Russian spies in response to Salisbury poisoning”

Putain is re-starting the cold war now that he knows the US will do nothing for its allies.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 15, 2018 12:00 AM
Comment #425411

Oddly, Rupert Murdoch’s outlet Sky News is the most favorable to russia:

https://news.sky.com/story/russia-theresa-mays-comments-on-salisbury-spy-a-circus-show-11287517

I would suggest that he take seriously Clinton’s assessment of Putin’s soul that GW saw in Putin. She said: Putin is a former KBG agent, by definition, they have no soul. Posted by: Rich at March 14, 2018 11:35 PM

He’s still a KGB agent. They just changed the name. He prob ably knows Dumpty’s net worth, as Icahn and the other real billionaires do, maximum estimate, 150 Million, minimum estimate, negative 6 billion. It’s too embarrassing for him to admit.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 15, 2018 12:13 AM
Comment #425417

Leftists are not fine with the election of an actual Democrat. They are already questioning whether Lamb is worth it if he isn’t going to fall in line and vote solidly progressive.

This district in PA just elected a God fearing, gun toting, pro securing our border, anti $15 minimum wage, candidate. All things that today’s far-left progressive democratic party has spent the last 10+ years telling us made a candidate bigoted, murdering, xenophobic, racist and, sexist.

You may be fine with that for now, to help you get the numbers to lead the committees, but if he sticks to the principles he ran on, progressives will be calling for his head.

Posted by: kctim at March 15, 2018 10:03 AM
Comment #425421

kctim,
Let me know when you’re finished whistling past the graveyard.

Meanwhile, Buzzfeed is suing lawyer Michael Cohen, and as part of the suit they may require Stormy Daniels to reveal everything in a deposition. She could deal yet another devastating blow to Trump.

Everyone ready to see Trump’s d*ck pics? They are rumored to be out there. Personally, I’d rather gouge out my eyes with an ice cream scoop.

But as interesting, funny, and horrifying as all that may be, the biggest story is getting lost- the UAE/Qatar deal. Recently George Nader, an American who acted as emissary to the UAE crown prince in a negotiation with Erik Prince and a Russian in the Seychelles, became a cooperating witness for the Mueller investigation a few weeks ago.

Remember- Trump is treason.

Posted by: phx8 at March 15, 2018 2:13 PM
Comment #425422

Ok Phx8, I’m done displaying common sense and presenting facts.

I’ll let you get back to your Russian conspiracy theories and d*ck pics now.

Posted by: kctim at March 15, 2018 2:31 PM
Comment #425424

kctim,
Oh, well you’re “presenting facts”? How could I have missed that?

You write: “Leftists are not fine with the election of an actual Democrat. They are already questioning whether Lamb is worth it if he isn’t going to fall in line and vote solidly progressive.”

I think that is complete baloney. Prove it.

“This district in PA just elected a God fearing, gun toting, pro securing our border, anti $15 minimum wage, candidate.”

God fearing? Don’t know.

Gun toting? He favors background checks and prosecuted cases involving gun trafficking.

“Lamb’s campaign website lists his top priorities as the heroin crisis, jobs and infrastructure, affordable health care, protecting Medicare and Social Security, reforming the student loan system, unions, and modern energy development.”
Wikipedia

He is also very pro-union. Here is his campaign web site and more detail on his agenda:

https://conorlamb.com/priorities/

During the campaign, the GOP criticized Lamb for ‘walking the liberal line.’ The GOP attacked him for opposing the tax cuts. Trump campaigned AGAINST him, not for him. Pence campaigned AGAINST him, not for him.

Is he opposed to a $15 minimum wage? Maybe. I couldn’t find it. He is representing a district in Appalachia, the 7th whitest district in the US. Obviously, some political issues for that part of the country are not going to be seen the same as other areas.

He favors tariffs for steel, and that is understandable, given the district. Shoot, tariffs are a great idea as long as the other party never reciprocates. Sadly, they ALWAYS reciprocate, so tariffs that might help PA, hurt SC when the EU closes a car plant in Spartanburg, or in WI when Harley Davidson is hit with the threatened EU tariffs.

Face it, you’re whistling past the graveyard. The canary in the coalmine didn’t just keel over- someone blew it to smithereens with a grenade, and now there’s nothing but feathers floating around.

At this point in his presidency, Trump is the most unpopular modern president in the history of polling, and there is every prospect it will get worse. In special elections, Democrats won 39 state legislative seats, the GOP 6. Democrats won this House seat, a Senate seat in AL, and several governorships. A lot can change between now and November, but pretending this is in any way, shape, or form a good thing for the GOP is foolish.

Posted by: phx8 at March 15, 2018 3:21 PM
Comment #425425

How could you have missed that, Phx8? Probably by eating up talking-points, instead of actually reading what was really going on in the real world.

Leftists do not like ‘centrists’ at all:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-democrats-should-worry-about-conor-lambs-victory-w517866

God fearing? Roman Catholic.

Republicans support background checks and fighting gun trafficking. Leftists want bans and registration.

Our Republican President has made the opioid crisis a priority. Jobs and infrastructure also.

Everybody wants affordable health care, our differences lie in how to get there. Lamb wants to work within the ACA framework, but is willing to work across the aisle. Leftists demand ‘free’ government health care.

Medicare and SS aren’t going anywhere.

Republicans would be fine with reforming the student loan system. What they don’t agree with is the ‘free’ education leftists demand.

Modern energy development? Like his support of fracking?

Of course Republicans campaigned against him, he was the DEMOCRATIC candidate.

Is he opposed to a $15 minimum wage? Yes. He stated that it seems high and that small business owners did not support it.

I only mentioned the tariffs because leftists have been demonizing our Republican President over them.

This was a victory for moderates, not progressives.

“Face it, you’re whistling past the graveyard.”

IF that were the case, I would be worried or upset with his victory. I am not.
IF he stays true to the moderate positions he ran on, I wouldn’t care if democrats just like him won every other seat coming open.
IF he stays true to the moderate positions he ran on, he will be a bigger problem to progressives than he is to me.

Posted by: kctim at March 15, 2018 4:36 PM
Comment #425427

unable to post this response to Rich before

T. May: “Russia has an undeclared chemical weapons program, in contravention of international law…They have treated the use of a military grade nerve agent in Europe with sarcasm. contempt, and defiance.”

Nikki Haley Bikini condemned the russian attack. She’s more qualified to be POTUS than Dumpty.

All russian diplomats in the US should be expelled NOW, and all their embassies and consulates closed so that they can’t use any of their terrorist tactics here.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 15, 2018 5:05 PM
Comment #425428

ohrealy,
Once again, UN Ambassador Haley came out breathing fire about the Russians poisoning up to 200 Brits with nerve gas before the Trump administration acted, and even then, Trump can’t bring himself to call it like it is. Trump is compromised. Trump is treason.

kctim,
Here is the beginning of the article you linked:

Republicans are f*cked. There is no other possible way to interpret Democrat Conor Lamb’s ridiculously implausible victory on Tuesday in a special congressional election in Pennsylvania. The 33-year-old ex-Marine, former prosecutor, and certified hottie edged out a veteran Republican lawmaker in a steel-country district that Donald Trump carried by nearly 20 points just 16 months ago. A district where Democrats didn’t even bother to run a candidate in the previous two elections. A district that’s practically as white as Utah. A district that’s exactly the kind of place where Trumpism is supposed to be bulletproof. “We should be able to elect a box of hammers in this district,” moaned GOP consultant Mike Murphy. “If we’re losing here, you can bet there is a Democratic wave coming.”

You write: “IF he stays true to the moderate positions he ran on, I wouldn’t care if democrats just like him won every other seat coming open.”

Well, you should be very happy with the midterms, because the Democrats are placing good candidates in races that reflect the politics of those regions, and if the results of the PA race are any indication, there will be lot more legislators like Lamb in office soon, and a lot fewer like Roy Moore.

Posted by: phx8 at March 15, 2018 5:25 PM
Comment #425429

Phx8,

Of course it’s claiming Republicans are f*cked and bemoaning the racial make-up of the PA district, it’s a left-wing rag. That’s why I used it.
You said “complete baloney” and for me to “prove it”, so I provided you with it.

“there will be lot more legislators like Lamb in office soon”

And you really think the anti America, anti white male progressive nuts calling for gun bans, free health care, free schooling, special treatment for certain groups, are going to be happy with that?

Posted by: kctim at March 15, 2018 6:01 PM
Comment #425443

Oh, and here’s the ending of the article I linked to:

“The America of the future looks absolutely nothing like the 18th District in Pennsylvania. And the future of the Democratic Party looks nothing like Conor Lamb.”

These far-left extremists have laid claim to the democratic party and its future. Will actual Democrats fight to get it back?
Doubtful.

Posted by: kctim at March 16, 2018 8:41 AM
Comment #425446

You seem to be arguing semantics kctim with your definitions of what is extreme and what isn’t. But that is what you have, so go for it. You make Lamb sound like JFK and I don’t think there is anything wrong with that.

The thing about the dems winning back majorities in the house and senate is the agenda they will bring to the table instead of being force fed the far right agenda of the current Congress and administration. A majority of Dems in Congress will prevent the SCOTUS from tipping any further to the extreme right. After all we now know the Senate can just sit on a potential appointee until a changing of the guard and not violate the Constitution. So Trump will be done doing any damage to the SCOTUS.

IN addition a dem led Congress will be able to stop the smoke and mirrors Nunes type investigations into Russian activities here in the US. Hopefully they will also be able to thwart any more activist judges and other appointees from actually getting into positions to do any more damage to the country. So yes there is a lot at stake in the next elections.

Unfortunately for conservatives the right wing is getting trounced in courts as their voter suppression schemes come unraveled as they face Constitutional scrutiny. Your front man and his band of liars and fraudsters are embarrassing themselves in Kansas, hope you are keeping up on that as the dog and pony show continues on.

http://www.cjonline.com/news/20180313/kobach-witness-cant-support-claim-that-illegal-votes-helped-hillary-clinton

Posted by: j2t2 at March 16, 2018 11:15 AM
Comment #425452

If actual Democrats help progressives win back majorities in the house and senate, who’s agenda gets brought to the table?

Progressives aren’t happy with the idea of moderates taking back the party. He11, they’re still b*tching and moaning how they cost them government health care under Obama.

Posted by: kctim at March 16, 2018 3:01 PM
Comment #425453

Can you imagine what a civil war in the Democratic party would look like?

First off, the MSM would say, “What civil war?” and second, the rank and file would say nothing for fear of getting fired, slandered, shouted down, shot at, or firebombed.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 16, 2018 3:32 PM
Comment #425455

test

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 16, 2018 4:33 PM
Comment #425456

We all recall when our Liberal Pals were counting on Hillary’s “blue wall” of northern tier states to win the presidency.

The day following the election, all the media smart talking heads wondered why the “blue wall” didn’t hold.

Now, we hear these same Liberals talking and writing about a “blue wave” coming that will sweep Democrats into office.

My friends, just as a zebra can not shed its stripes; Liberals can not grow a functioning brain. They have a mental disorder but refuse treatment.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 16, 2018 4:43 PM
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