​Nancy Pelosi's 8 Hours on the Floor & The Immigration Dance

Wasn’t that impressive? Eight hours on the floor giving one heck of a filibuster. Nancy Pelosi should be proud. Oh. Wait. Filibusters are only allowed on the floor of the Senate, according to the Senate rules? Not in the House? So we can’t actually call it a filibuster. Let’s call it a filibuzz, where Nancy Pelosi invoked rosary beads, popes, and prayers all in the cause of illegals brought to America at a young age, also known as Dreamers.

She actually, according to House rules regarding the minority leader, had a minute to speak. So what was she thinking?? She was thinking this:

A deal is coming and you folks are gonna need me and my party! Nya Nya!!

In other words, given what we now know about the budget busting deal that Mitch and Chuck have put together in the Senate, it is likely that at least some conservative House members will vote against the Senate spending deal. That's because it lifts spending caps and adds $80 billion a year (which some conservative sites seem not to mention and which should mention it) in additional defense spending; while also adding $63 billion the first year and $68 billion the second year in non-defense spending. That adds up to $291 billion in additional spending over the next two years.

All this to avoid yet another Continuing Resolution or CR. Oh. Wait. Actually Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has suggested that there will indeed be one. more. CR. making it the fifth short term spending bill because the details of all those extra goodies still have to be fought over. So it actually doesn't resolve anything quite yet but says one. more. CR. and then we'll get this done.

Assuming that little 300 billion two-step actually does get done, then the real dance starts. An immigration deal. And that's why Nancy Pelosi multiplied her minute of speaking time nearly 500-fold. She wants to call the tune on the coming immigration deal, and has staked out her position. As someone so beholden to her hard-left base who at the same time was shouted down by Latino and immigration activists at a fairly recent event for not doing enough, Nancy has very little room to maneuver on immigration.

We'll give you your spending deal despite Freedom Caucus defections, but you have to compromise on lottery visas and extended-family (chain) migration.

What Nancy Pelosi is doing is making sure she keeps her base happy while doing her best to present policy options that will infuriate Trump's base. That could mean a very difficult negotiation process on immigration. The only hope that Pelosi won't sabotage a reasonably conservative immigration bill is that maybe House Freedom caucus members will once again prove they can be flexible on both spending and immigration, in ways that the left-wing base of the Democrats seem congenitally unable to be.

So that's the challenge to the Freedom Caucus: be just flexible enough to make Nancy Pelosi irrelevant.

And that would be a sweet sound for anyone concerned about doing the right thing to secure America's borders.

Posted by Keeley at February 8, 2018 11:47 AM
Comments
Comment #424182

Nominal tax cuts - check
Increased spending - check
Illegal aliens over American citizens - check

Congrats Republicans! Your voters turned the country red, prevented another leftist from running the country, and you reward them with more left-wing idiocy.
Unless you’ve got a couple aces up your sleeve, you have just gone from just losing in the mid-terms and Presidency, to losing in a landslide.

Advice for leftists: Put your war on God and guns on the back burner for a couple years and the country is yours.

Posted by: kctim at February 9, 2018 3:10 PM
Comment #424183

When was the last time we actually had a budget? A real budget, last time, when?

Maybe what we’re witnessing is that D.C. forgot how to do a budget and this is what they know. This process of CR after CR is how they believe it’s supposed to be. Or…
Perhaps, long ago, they decided the budget process was outdated and no longer up to the demand, and the CR is the only option they’ve made available to themselves.

Perhaps it is Washington D.C. that is outdated and no longer up to the demand. Perhaps the states should consider converting Washington D.C. into a museum dedicated to the history of our country. Perhaps the states should take the best from D.C. and tailor their uses to best serve their state’s citizens.

Washington D.C. should be our library, not our manager.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 9, 2018 3:55 PM
Comment #424184

kctim,
Never underestimate the ability of the Democrats to screw up a sure thing.

What is going on with the GOP is an absolute disgrace. They are running amok, racking up debt and blowing up the deficit at a rate that makes it hard to even come up with superlatives. They own the House, Senate, and the White House, and THIS is what they have to offer? The Democrats have a little leverage in the Senate, but none at all in the House, unless Republicans fail to agree among themselves. The GOP sets the agenda. The GOP sets the timing. They chair every Committee in Congress, every single one. Remember all that GOP talk during the Obama administration about the debt ceiling, the fiscal cliff, and sequestration? Now that they have a healthy economy and can actually do something, what do they CHOOSE to do?

They run hog wild.

Posted by: phx8 at February 9, 2018 5:02 PM
Comment #424185

After 8 years of Obama and 10 trillion added to the debt you are now B***HING about adding to it phx8. Not to hypocritical are we?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at February 9, 2018 5:39 PM
Comment #424187

KAP,
No. I am not hypocritical. Do you understand the difference between the economy Obama inherited in January 2009 and the economy today?

I doubt it. Show me you have some idea. Look up the monthly job losses back then, the falling GDP, the foreclosures, the plummeting housing prices, the stock market crash. Show me you understand the difference between deflation and inflation. It’s pretty basic. But you need to prove to me you know something before I spend time on it.

Deficit spending cost a bomb under Obama and it saved us. No one liked it, but it worked.

Posted by: phx8 at February 9, 2018 6:30 PM
Comment #424188

I get it phx8, good when democrats do it bad when republicans do it. NEWS FLASH it’s bad when either side does it but is partisan BULLS**T to B***H about it if the opposite side does it.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at February 9, 2018 6:56 PM
Comment #424190

phx8 is running scared. Remember when he said Origon’s Obamacare webpage was a big success? Remember when he said Tesla was the next best thing since sliced bread?. Guess what? What? He was wrong!

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 9, 2018 8:23 PM
Comment #424191

Remember when phx8 said the pound would collapse when Brexit was passed? Remember when he said the stock market would tank if Trump got elected? Remember that? Guess what? He was wrong!

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 9, 2018 8:26 PM
Comment #424192
”..But hey! He cain’t hep it! He was born with a silver foot in his mouth!”


Posted by: Weary Willie at February 9, 2018 8:29 PM
Comment #424193

WW,
The OR web page failed, but Obamacare succeeded in OR.

Tesla is doing great. Did you see Spacex just launched Musk’s car into space? I thought that was pretty cool.

The British pound DID collapse. It has recovered against the weak US dollar. Other currencies are doing well too.

Stock market futures collapsed 700 points when Trump won.

WB is at its worst when trolls put up these posts.

Posted by: phx8 at February 9, 2018 8:35 PM
Comment #424194

Cry me a river, phx8. Ha!

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 9, 2018 8:38 PM
Comment #424195

We ain’t got no crocodile tears here big guy! We’re renaming them Democratic Tears!

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 9, 2018 8:39 PM
Comment #424196

phx8, you are fake news.

I don’t know how I can say it other than that.

C’mon! Have you ever tried listening?

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 9, 2018 8:49 PM
Comment #424197

How did Pelosi manage to talk for 8 hours if she was only allotted a minute?

Perhaps she used the rules.

Lot’s of rules….

I’m all for renaming Washington D.C. “The First National Museum Of The United States Of America”.


Posted by: Weary Willie at February 9, 2018 9:08 PM
Comment #424198

The states could do this. 3/4 of the states could say, “Washington D.C. is a Museum.” and it would be so.

The only thing stopping that from happening is our inability to think for ourselves.


Posted by: Weary Willie at February 9, 2018 9:12 PM
Comment #424201

Tonight Trump refused to let the Democratic memo be released, not even a redacted version. The GOP memo was released without redactions. So much for transparency. It turned out to be exactly what everyone suspected- a flimsy excuse for firing the Deputy AG, Rosenstein, and stopping the Mueller Investigation.

In perhaps the biggest news of the evening, the next person in line at DOJ after Rosenstein, #3 Rachel Brand, resigned to work in the private sector. That clears the way for Trump. He can replace Brand with someone who will do his bidding, fire Rosenstein, and thereby stop the Mueller Investigation, or limit its scope, or take away its budget.

Posted by: phx8 at February 9, 2018 9:52 PM
Comment #424202

phx8, If he released a redacted version you would B***H. The GOP memo had nothing in it to be redacted. S**TY Schiff loaded the Democrat version knowing full well Trump would either redact it or not release it. It was a DAMNED if he did and DAMNED if he didn’t situation. IMO all the top people that were around during the Obama admin. should resign that are in the DOJ.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at February 9, 2018 10:15 PM
Comment #424205

KAP,
Trump should have released a redacted version.

“The GOP memo had nothing in it to be redacted.”

The top of every page is labeled “top secret” and the words “top secret” are redacted with a black marker. Trump chose to declassify previously classified material in order to issue that memo. Here is the released document:

https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/read-the-gop-memo/2746/

According to Speaker Ryan, the point was to provide transparency as the House performed oversight. Obviously, that was not the case. Trump claimed the memo gave him “total vindication.” this was an attack by a political party in Congress on an ongoing investigation, something we have never seen before, and the president declassified top secret material to make that attack possible.

The attack- the memo- failed, and failed badly. First, in general terms, it bet the farm on Carter Page, and anyone who has ever seen him interviewed knows that was an incredibly bad idea. Second, the memo pushed the claim that FISA was not informed that the Steele Dossier had political connections. In fact, the memo DID provide that information in a footnote, and four different FISA judges saw it, an embarrassing item Chairman Nunes was forced to admit in public.

Anyway, you just about have your wish:

“IMO all the top people that were around during the Obama admin. should resign that are in the DOJ.”

Rosenstein is a Republican Trump nominee. Sessions is still there. The #3 and #4 positions are empty, followed in succession by D.A.s for two states- Trump nominees.

Virtually every top official in the DOJ and FBI has been attacked by name, and most of them have been resigned or have been fired; the FBI Director, FBI Assistant Director, FBI Chief Counsel, and FBI Chief of Counter-Intelligence.

Posted by: phx8 at February 9, 2018 10:47 PM
Comment #424206
We ain’t got no crocodile tears here big guy! We’re renaming them Democratic Tears!

Why not name them “fool for Trump” tears Weary, the savior Trump signed this starve the beast bill into law.

I mean the one f**king thing you guys insisted upon was cutting the deficit and debt and you guy just signed the repub controlled bill into law! You should be crying the cry because you just got snookered by Trump yet again.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 9, 2018 11:03 PM
Comment #424207
I get it phx8, good when democrats do it bad when republicans do it.

KAP my moron brother in law laughed at you foolish comment. Even he knows there is a time and place for running up debt and a time and place when you pay it off. Your comment proves you don’t understand this basic concept.

Conservatives be advised your guys are starving the beast. make no mistake this is intentional with the idea of bankrupting the country. Their banana republic third world thinking is the problem. Pay attention to Kansas and Oklahoma for the state experiments in conservative economic ideology that has failed.

Oh and the f**king morons in Texas that were so against immigrants that they are now running into labor problems!

Posted by: j2t2 at February 9, 2018 11:10 PM
Comment #424208

Phx8 like I said if he released a redacted version he still would have been wrong and Shiff and company would have been blasting all over CNN that he must have something to hide so like I said it’s a fanned if he did and fanned if he didn’t situation.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at February 9, 2018 11:10 PM
Comment #424209

Dang spell check it’s damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at February 9, 2018 11:12 PM
Comment #424210

J2 the basic concept is a budget and sticking to it something even your moron brother in law should know. It is a concept that Congress forgot how to do years ago. I know both sides are guilty of running up the debt because A××holes like you and me and your moron brother in law, as d.a.n. says we keep putting the same dumb s××ts in congress all the time. I know what the concept should be but I can’t even remember the last time there was a real budget.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at February 9, 2018 11:22 PM
Comment #424220

KAP, unfortunately you are wrong. As an example in times of war a responsible Congress will spend regardless of the budget. When times are bad a responsible Congress will spend to boost the economy, when times are good a responsible Congress will pay down the debt not increase it with tax cuts and spending.

You blame the dems for the spending after GWB and the repubs crashed the economy telling us it is the same thing as the repubs cutting taxes and increasing spending during the good times. It isn’t.

The repubs are doing this intentionally to break the back of the beast, to starve the beast. They prefer the corporate oligarchy control and “small” government. A return to the corruption of the gilded age.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 10, 2018 10:16 AM
Comment #424222

J2 A responsible congress would have a budget to work with so that in times when it is prudent to either spend or pay down wouldn’t get us into 20 trillion in debt.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at February 10, 2018 11:47 AM
Comment #424223

By the way j2 if you have been really reading my posts and not Comming to some conclusion that is totally opposite or far from what was written as you usually do you would see that I blame both sides for the mess.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at February 10, 2018 11:51 AM
Comment #424225

“Virtually every top official in the DOJ and FBI has been attacked by name, and most of them have been resigned or have been fired; the FBI Director, FBI Assistant Director, FBI Chief Counsel, and FBI Chief of Counter-Intelligence.”

A bit of hyperbole there phx8. But, nevertheless, when windows are opened to allow in the sunshine, the mold and mildew begins to wither and disappear.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 10, 2018 3:22 PM
Comment #424226

j2t2 is misinformed about Texans. We are not “against immigrants”, and never have been. We are against illegal folks coming over our border uninvited.

We had a guest migrant worker program in the US for decades that worked well; especially for agriculture. The problem arose when the “guest workers” refused to go home.

We wonder how j2t2 would treat guests in his home who refused to leave.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 10, 2018 3:33 PM
Comment #424230

j2

“You blame the dems for the spending after GWB and the repubs crashed the economy”

Yeah, except it wasn’t GMB who crashed the economy. It was democrat policies to allow everyone regardless of their creditworthiness to take out mortgages that crashed the economy. Fanny, and Freddy, and too much B and C paper. Oh, and lets not forget repeal of Glass Steagall. Who signed that ? Oh, that’s right, it was clinton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

Posted by: dbs at February 11, 2018 8:41 AM
Comment #424234

dbs, thanks for the link and for Canada, eh?

After watching your link, I clicked on a link to a FrontLine show and watched it. It became obvious why j2t2 believes Bush was the cause of the financial meltdown in 2008.

Your link shows Frank to be the obstructionist to curbing the danger the financial system was in. FrontLine actually used video throughout the show of Barney Franks as the most knowledgeable and concerned about the situation. There was quite a contrast in how the two shows portrayed Barney Franks.

21 minutes into the show the Republicans are mentioned by name. It was the only time a political party was mentioned. It described Paulson as “as free market as you can get”. Throughout the explanation of the lead up to the crash only photos of Republicans are shown. As the show progresses to Freddy and Franny it portrays Barney Frank again lambasting Paulson for what happened with Leahman Brothers.

The icing is on the cake when Congress votes against the first draft of the bailout. Republican after Republican are shown speaking against voting for it. Frontline mentioned that 97 Democratics voted against it only once.

What happens next is, perhaps, the real reason for the vote against the first bailout. Frontline describes them as “Hidden lines inserted into the bill” for capital injection. It goes on to say these hidden lines are responsible for the recovery of the financial markets. All through this description a photo of Barney Franks and another Democratic are displayed on the screen. At the end of the show the last words spoken by an anonymous voice in the background says “Barrack Obama has turned it around.”.

Having watched these two videos side by side it is easy to see the contrast between the two. Frontline and PBS’s version clearly makes Republicans appear to be the only entity at fault and, for good measure, implies the remedy to be clearly the Democratic’s doing. It’s no wonder those who watch PBS, and other left wing news sources, believe what they do about the 2008 financial crisis.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 11, 2018 5:25 PM
Comment #424237
Oh, and lets not forget repeal of Glass Steagall. Who signed that ? Oh, that’s right, it was clinton.

The root cause dbs, Weary was the laissez faire deregulation mindset of the times, Phil Gramm and Alan Greespan leading the way. The fact that derivatives weren’t regulated and the market for prime mortgages was saturated led the banks to the sub prime market guys not the CRA.

The bill that actually repealed Glass-Steagall was the Gramm Leach Bliley Act guys all repubs FYI.

The reason, Weary, you feel butt hurt over the Front Line show is because the repubs received more credit than the dems for the meltdown! They deserved it. This insinuation that the MSM is biased is in reality factual reporting.
ON the other hand Fox News has a far right bias and their misinterpretation of the facts is why people like dbs and you are so ill informed of the facts surrounding the meltdown.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 12, 2018 12:02 AM
Comment #424243
Fanny May and Freddy Mac are not in a crisis.
The more people, in my judgement, exaggerate the threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury, which I do not see, I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound financially and would stand some of the disastrous scenarios, and even if there was a problem, the federal government doesn’t bail them out, but the more pressure there is there, then the less we see in terms of affordable housing.

These are the words of Barney Frank, who ignores the warning signs in favor of protecting the Democratic’s pet peeve, Affordable Housing.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 12, 2018 10:27 AM
Comment #424244
ON the other hand Fox News has a far right bias and their misinterpretation of the facts is why people like dbs and you are so ill informed of the facts surrounding the meltdown. Posted by: j2t2 at February 12, 2018 12:02 AM

And they can be made to do a 180 on any issue when their overlords change their script. That’s why it’s not worth bothering with anything they have to say.

Virtually every top official in the DOJ and FBI has been attacked by name, and most of them have been resigned or have been fired; the FBI Director, FBI Assistant Director, FBI Chief Counsel, and FBI Chief of Counter-Intelligence. Posted by: phx8 at February 9, 2018 10:47 PM

It’s what criminals do when they get caught. Now they even seem to be turning on Tres Gowdy, accusing him of snitching to Mueller. I hope they get more ammo so can shoot each other some more.

In good news, the Euro is down to $1.22 from $1.25. I’m going to be buying some things from Ireland today. Looking for properties west of Cork, away from the viagra factory.

Posted by: ohrealy at February 12, 2018 10:58 AM
Comment #424245

WW & dbs have been saying for years that the economic statistics were faked. Now they want to take credit for the economy that was the same two years ago as it was last year, because it is good now, but that would mean conceding everything they said for years was a lie. They keep getting stuck between lies, and there is the uneasy suspicion that the recent stock market correction might be a harbinger of something worse.

Did Clinton sign Glass Steagall? Yes. It was the product of a philosophy of privatization and deregulation pushed by the conservative GOP. The other big factor was an obscure amendment by Phil Gramm in 2001 that prevented the federal government from overseeing a commodities based on mortgages. The commodities were traded in through shadow banking, and when real estate prices declined, and then Lehmann Brothers collapsed, the markets crashed.

It was a direct result of the GOP philosophy of deregulation and privatization, on top of two rounds of tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. Remember the promises? Jobs by the bushel, incredible growth… The GOP owned Congress and the White House for most of six years. They came into office with a stabilized budget and annual surpluses. By the time eight years passed, there was a net addition of almost no jobs, growth was wiped out, the annual surplus became a $1.4 trillion deficit, and hundreds of thousands of jobs were lost every month.

No, that was not the result of Barney Frank, who was in the House minority during those six years and had no say during that time, not was it the solely the fault of poor people. Mortgages were too easy to obtain, that is true, but the GOP could have changed the rules at any time during those six years.

The truth is, the GOP needed the housing bubble because economic growth was not happening as a result of other GOP policies.

Posted by: phx8 at February 12, 2018 11:25 AM
Comment #424246
The GOP owned Congress and the White House for most of six years.

That is a flat out lie. Prove it, phx8, not with your opinion, with fact. Show us the proof!

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 12, 2018 11:30 AM
Comment #424247

Democratics have “no say”?!

That’s a laugh!

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 12, 2018 11:32 AM
Comment #424248

We wern’t saying the stats were faked. We were saying the
Democratic’s opinion of the economy was fake. 2% growth is stagnate. Democratics were saying 2% was a robust economy and 4% was the worst. How can you justify that description? You say 4% is bad because it’s too good!

Right!

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 12, 2018 11:36 AM
Comment #424250

Factually, the deficit is not sustainable. They will either have to walk back the tax bill, or attempt some kind of cuts that will have devastating consequences. Dumpty may be in favor of chaos.

Via tablet!!!!

Posted by: Ohrealy at February 12, 2018 1:47 PM
Comment #424254

WW,
The GOP controlled the House from 2001-07, for the 106, 107, and 108 Congress. The 106 is a historical asterisk in the Senate because a GOP Senator switched sides part way through, changing the balance in the 50/50 Senate to favor the Democrats by one vote. The 107 & 108 were controlled by the GOP.

http://wiredpen.com/resources/political-commentary-and-analysis/a-visual-guide-balance-of-power-congress-presidency/

Barney Franks was a member of the minority party in the House from 2001-07, and in the House, the majority is in complete control of committees and the agenda.

Posted by: phx8 at February 12, 2018 2:58 PM
Comment #424263

Did you read your link, phx8? The Republicans had both House and senate for 2 years out of Bush’s term. 2003-2005 was when both houses were controlled by Republicans. The rest of the time it was split between D and R.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 12, 2018 5:00 PM
Comment #424269

West Virginia Woman Removed From House of Delegates After Listing Corporate Donors:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGAuJJYt4uo

Everyone else in that room should be arrested and put on trial for bribery.

Posted by: ohrealy at February 12, 2018 8:37 PM
Comment #424270

WW,
There are 435 Representatives in the House. It takes 218 for a majority. In the 107th, 108th, and 109th Congress there were 221,229, and 232 Republicans in the House for years 2001-03, 2003-05, and 2005-07. In the Senate there was a 50/50 tie in the 107th, with the tiebreaker going to the GOP. Partway through the 107th a Republican changed parties, giving the Democrats control. There were 51 and 55 GOP Senators in the 108th and 109th.

“We wern’t saying the stats were faked. We were saying the
Democratic’s opinion of the economy was fake. 2% growth is stagnate.”

You and others, including Trump, said many times the stats were faked, especially the unemployment rate.

2% is growth. 0% is stagnation. Growing 4% or more sets up a boom/bust scenario.

No economist recommends stimulating an economy growing 2-3% at full employment using debt, given the large size of the deficit and debt right now. A stimulus such as a large deficit-financed tax cut will overheat the economy. We saw the first warning signs with the stock market correction. The moment a piece of good news came out that could be interpreted as evidence of overheating, the market fell fast.

Here’s the good news: it should take a while for the imbalances to overheat the economy. Interest rates will rise faster than expected, but it will still take a while for the interest rate of bonds to compete with stocks.

Here’s the bad news: everyone can see it coming. It might take months or even a year or two, but when this thing comes apart, it is going to be really ugly. We will be coming off one of the longest economic expansions and bull markets in American history. In the meantime, the stock market will be like a game of musical chairs. A lot of money can be made in a blow-off to the upside, but when the music stops, better be quick, because someone is going to be left holding a flaming bag.

Posted by: phx8 at February 12, 2018 10:37 PM
Comment #424305

How convenient that you casually forget about the filibuster, phx8. Oh, I forgot! Your did away with the filibuster when it became inconvenient.

Democratics blocked legislation in the senate repeatedly. Hundreds of bills went the Harry Reid’s senate to die. All the house was concerned with when the Democratics held it was ramming healthcare down the nation’s throat. Lies, bribes, threats, and you call that Democracy. Of course, that is the way democracy works, isn’t it?

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 13, 2018 1:17 PM
Comment #424306

You’ve also got to realize a total point drop is immaterial. It is the percentage of the drop that is what’s concerning and the percent is ranked in about 26th place from a record drop. Let’s not get your panties in a wad over the fluctuations in the market. It has been moving up as far as it’s been moving down.


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