​House Intel Committee Needs to Open the Floodgates and Let the Information Drain Out

National security is where Freedom of Expression goes to die. And national security can be such a vague and amorphous concept at the edges that giving free reign to the executive’s desire to decide on what information should be kept secret, can be a step towards a police state.

On the other hand, having a transparent, public debate in Congress on every intel operation that America is involved in around the planet is both operationally impossible as well as a threat to those very operations.

Where the hell do you find the right balance, Mr. Attorney General? Especially when you recused yourself from the matter at hand - the various Russia probes in Congress and in the Mueller probe - because of a possible if rather minor conflict of interest? In other words, are you even part of this crucial decision that now looks to be gathering the weight of a real Watergate-style crisis?

This is about the FBI and the DOJ slow-walking the House and Senate intel and justice committees requests to release as much information to the public as possible on two key and consequential points of conflict and interest:

Senators Graham and Grassley's criminal referral of Christopher Steele's possible lying to the FBI which was sent to the FBI back on January 4th of this year.
The around 50,000 text messages between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok, among which thousands are missing, and among those which Congress has are some disturbing references that display a clear bias against Trump and perhaps a clear intent to undermine both Trump's campaign and his actual presidency.
Both the FBI and the DOJ claim national security concerns as the reason for denying and/or delaying any release of information that they say would damage America's intel community. How much deference on the part of voters and their representatives in Congress are they due, in this matter, and in general when it comes to matters of national security?

Let's leave aside that it's now the left that are defending the executive's power to keep information from the public in the interest of national security, in sharp contrast to Bush 43's presidency. Governments change, voters change their minds. It's how democracy works.

The substantive and normative difference in this case is that this retention of information is about the very executive that both the DOJ and the FBI are a part of: the Trump administration. The logic goes something like this:

To ensure executive privilege (even if they don't use that Nixonian term) on matters of national security, they can't show the public information about how officials in both the FBI and DOJ may have undermined their constitutional boss, the President himself. And they did so as part of an investigation that is about possible collusion between the President's campaign team and administration and Russian authorities. An investigation that has morphed into an obstruction of justice investigation with no real evidence of collusion as of yet. And in which the FBI interview that resulted in at least one charge against Michael Flynn was conducted by none other than FBI agent Peter Strzok.

And it was that interview, held on January 24, 2017, that led to Flynn's firing, to Session's recusal, to Trump possibly suggesting to Comey that they should go easy on Flynn. To Comey's firing. To Comey's leaks of his own memos to the New York Times, through his friend, law professor Daniel Richman. Who is now apparently Comey's personal attorney. Which means that they will claim attorney-client privilege regarding any classified material in those memos. And those leaked memos led to acting AG Rosenstein appointing a special prosecutor. Bob Mueller, ex head of the FBI and good friend of fired Director Comey.

Got any questions?

Stephen Boyd - assistant attorney general for legislative affairs - has told House Intel Committee Chairman Devin Nunes that by giving the public any answers, it would:

... be extraordinarily reckless for the Committee to disclose such information publicly without giving the Department and the FBI the opportunity to review the memorandum and to advise the HPSCI (the House intel committee) of the risk and harm to national security and to ongoing investigations that could come from public release.

The House intel committee reminded the DOJ and FBI that essentially they're the ones now being investigated. Nunes spokesperson Jack Langer said:

Agencies that are under investigation by congressional committees don't typically get access to the committees' investigative documents about them, and it's no surprise these agencies don't want the abuses we've found to be made public.

Adam Schiff of course will release his own memo, defending the FBI and DOJ and defending the credibility of the Mueller investigation.

The swamp is flooding across the landscape. The only way out is to release as many of the underlying documents as possible. Even if it gets a Russian General or two killed, as the Daily Beast in a wonderfully speculative piece suggests the Steele Dossier did, following dutifully on Glenn Simpson's comments in his testimony to Congress.

Credibility is draining out of the DOJ and FBI by the day. Leak by leak. Reveal as much as possible. As soon as possible. For the sake of the executive branch. And the constitution.

Posted by Keeley at January 26, 2018 3:59 PM
Comments
Comment #423739

What a bad article. I’m so sorry I read any of it. Isn’t there some way WB can find decent writers?

“… Mr. Attorney General… you recused yourself from the matter at hand… because of a possible if rather minor conflict of interest?”

Sessions lied to Congress, both aloud AND in writing. He met with the Russian ambassador at least twice. During testimony he ‘could not recall’ over 100 times in three meeetings whenever the subject of Russia came up, although his memory worked perfectly fine on any other subject.

“This is about the FBI and the DOJ slow-walking the House and Senate intel and justice committees requests…”

No. No one is slow walking anything because this is an ongoing investigation, and it is unheard of for the findings of an investigation to be revealed before it is complete. Furthermore, the top positions at the DOJ are all occupied by Republicans. The head of the FBI is a Republican. So is the former head. So is Mueller.

The only Committee driving this is the House Intelligence Committee; specifically, Nunes and Gowdy, because they are the only ones who read the underlying evidence behind the memo. The other 11 Republicans have not read the supporting material. The memo itself was written by staffers from that committee with the specific intention of undermining the investigation and the credibility of law enforcement and the judiciary.

Comey did not “leak” his own memos. He wrote them and they are not classified. It is impossible to “leak” something like that.

Oh, enough. #releasethememo was trending thanks to FOX, Hannity, and Russian bots. The bots are were big on #schumershutdown and #maga.

Trump is treason. The crooks and traitors will go down, and the people supporting them- like this addled writer- deserve to go down with them for doing everything possible to harm the interests of this nation and promote Russian interests…

Posted by: phx8 at January 26, 2018 4:32 PM
Comment #423742

“…it is unheard of for the findings of an investigation to be revealed before it is complete.”

Except for the investigation of Hillary Clinton phx8. In that case, the final determination of the investigation came before the investigation was finished. The old “cart before the horse” gambit.

We understand however why that was done. Top level democrats are always above the law. They are “tyrants-in-waiting”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 26, 2018 4:52 PM
Comment #423746
What a bad article. I’m so sorry I read any of it. Isn’t there some way WB can find decent writers? Posted by: phx8 at January 26, 2018 4:32 PM

Or someone with better internet access. Search engines will curate the best articles for you, and all you have to do is base it on that.

Just from Bloomberg:

The U.S. Is About to Get Real Cold Again. Blame It on Global Warming:
The reason: Climate change is reducing the gap between North Pole temperatures and those to the south, weakening winds in the upper atmosphere and creating conditions that propel their currents in unusual new ways.

The Dark Side of America’s Rise to Oil Superpower:
If Shale 2.0 output keeps prices low, Russia would be a big loser. Moscow has used oil revenue to finance aggressive foreign intervention from Ukraine to Syria. The only solution is to continue cooperating with Saudi Arabia on keeping production low—not something the oligarchs relish.

Biggest Stock Sell Signal Since 2013 Sparked by Record Inflows:
Investors poured $33.2 billion into stocks in the week to Jan. 24, Bank of America Merrill Lynch said in a research report, citing EPFR Global data. Actively managed equity portfolios, technology funds and Treasury Inflation Protected Securities all enjoyed record inflows.

Lachlan Murdoch Is Going to Do Things His Way at the New Fox:
Today Lachlan Murdoch is the subject of more speculation in media circles than he ever was before. While his father, now 86, has groomed him for the top job, Lachlan has never independently run anything as big and complicated as what is being billed as the “new Fox.” He now seems all but certain to assume the helm after his brother, current Fox CEO James Murdoch, sees through a $52.4 billion asset sale to Walt Disney Co. over the next 12 to 18 months. The question — for the global media and investors alike — is what will happen then.

The U.S. Drops Out of the Top 10 in Innovation Ranking:
The U.S. fell to 11th place from ninth mainly because of an eight-spot slump in the post-secondary, or tertiary, education-efficiency category, which includes the share of new science and engineering graduates in the labor force. Value-added manufacturing also declined. Improvement in the productivity score couldn’t make up for the lost ground.
“I see no evidence to suggest that this trend will not continue,” said Robert D. Atkinson, president of the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation in Washington, D.C. “Other nations have responded with smart, well-funded innovation policies like better R&D tax incentives, more government funding for research, more funding for technology commercialization initiatives.”

From the NYT:
Naomi Parker Fraley, the Real Rosie the Riveter, Dies at 96

The U.S. Can No Longer Hide From Its Deep Poverty Problem:
According to the World Bank, 769 million people lived on less than $1.90 a day in 2013; they are the world’s very poorest. Of these, 3.2 million live in the United States, and 3.3 million in other high-income countries (most in Italy, Japan and Spain).

From MIT Technology
The tricks propagandists use to beat science:
A model of the way opinions spread reveals how propagandists use the scientific process against itself to secretly influence policy makers.

Meanwhile, we have no worthwhile writers here at all, and the comments are just as unreadable.

Posted by: ohrealy at January 26, 2018 5:22 PM
Comment #423752

Actually, Keeley’s post is a very good article. If phx8 and ohrealy got any of their news from sources other than the liberal media, they would know it. There is an old saying “garbage in, garbage out”. These libs on WB are only able to repeat what they hear. As a result, they simply repeat the latest media talking points.

Ohrealy is looking for one good writer for WB; but I am looking for the multitude of liberals who used to comment on WB. Is this all that’s left to stand up for progressivism? Ohrealy, ph, and j2? It’s a sad state of affairs, when all you have is three silly little people left to defend the liberal media talking points. I guess the rest of them have seen the handwriting on the wall.

Posted by: Blaine at January 26, 2018 8:46 PM
Comment #423756

Read the moniker on the front page, ‘O’. “political blog with opinions and comments’…

Shouldn’t we be discussing something related to politics such as the dim’s putting out feelers for a member of the Kennedy clan to make a run for the president … Chappaqudic (sic, really sic) and all that …

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/25/state-union-2018-joe-kennedy-response-370845

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 26, 2018 11:13 PM
Comment #423759

There aren’t any Kennedys left that had anything to do with Chappaquiddick. That’ a dead issue. (bad pun intended)

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 27, 2018 12:35 AM
Comment #423798

I’d like to see the memos too.
However, is there evidence of laws broken?
Or is it just a lot of obvious bias (not illegal) and text messages?
IF not, the republicans are going to look as bad as the democrats hysteria about Russia/Trump collusion, when it was actually Hillary and the DNC that paid for the Steele dossier.

Posted by: d.a.n at January 28, 2018 1:06 PM
Comment #423804

Wednesday coming up d.a.n. A day that will live in infamy, one the dim’s will remember, sadly, evermore…

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 28, 2018 4:55 PM
Comment #423807

Hope you’re right Roy.
Because from what I have seen so far, it will be very difficult to pin any crimes on most high-ranking officials in the current and present administrations.

And then, as you know, people in the federal government can break the law, and never be indicted, but if they do, and they are convicted, they get a pardon or commuted sentence.

I guess I have little faith in few (if anyone) ever being help accountable.

  • Responsibility = Power + Virtue + Education + Transparency + Accountability
  • Corruption = Power - Virtue - Education - Transparency - Accountability

Transparency is just one of the main factors to responsible government, but Accountability is equally important, and there is far too often no Accountability.

At any rate, the majority of voters have the government that they elect, and re-elect, and re-elect, … , at least, possibly, until rewarding corrupt incumbent politicians with perpetual re-election finally becomes too painful.

Posted by: d.a.n at January 28, 2018 6:15 PM
Comment #423812

Well d., it’s going to take some time, couple of years perhaps, to run some of this crap to ground. I’m not so big on actually locking any body up or fining them as I am just getting some official accounting of what folks did, why, and who they are.

Hillary and/or Obama may not do any jail time but it is super important to know the in’s and out’s of what they did against the people/Constitution.

Down thru history we know that partisan politics has often worked in an illegal way to effect some partisan gain in the political realm. A sure bet that some things have happened that has never surfaced and probably never will.

But, to the extent we can shed light on such actions and take actions to make sure it is highly unlikely to never be repeated in the future, this works to secure our Constitution/sovereignty.

A lot like this illegal immigration thing. Those who have worked to maintain this illegal system over the decades will work fiercely to get some loopholes worked into any new laws so they can, at some point, restart some lesser form of illegal immigration. Just the nature of the political beast (money).

Doubtful much, if anything, can be done against the MSM for their complicity/support. But, those gov’t emps involved will likely never hold another gov’t job, or certainly not in management, IMO. Going to be a long two years or so …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 28, 2018 10:31 PM
Comment #423813

Failed to mention that I believe this will effect the dim’s for some time to come. It’s all on archived video and I’m sure the GOP will make good use of it.

And, hasn’t Hannity/FOX done a good job here. Not sure it would have ever been pursued had Hannity not given life to it. Many thanks to him, some talk radio’s and so on …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 28, 2018 10:38 PM
Comment #423829

Interesting that many Democrats don’t seem to want the FISA memo released, Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski on MSNBC are saying it would be reckless to release the FISA memo.

They are also saying that Trump should be impeached for lying about thinking about firing Mueller.

However, FactCheck.org states: Trump cannot directly fire Mueller. Only the Deputy Attorney General, who appointed Mueller, can fire Mueller, and only for cause. But Trump could fire the Deputy Attorney General, or order the special-counsel regulations repealed, and then fire Mueller.

Posted by: d.a.n at January 29, 2018 8:27 AM
Comment #423830

I fail to see why everyone is considering new immigration laws instead of insisting the existing laws be enforced. New laws, just like Roy Ellis said, will have loopholes put in to facilitate more illegal immigration. Let’s insist the existing laws are upheld before any new laws are considered.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 29, 2018 9:59 AM
Comment #423832

“I fail to see why everyone is considering new immigration laws instead of insisting the existing laws be enforced.”

Weary, existing immigration laws promote America and acceptance of those who wish to become a part of her. Today’s ‘democrats’ want new leftist immigration laws that promote the rejection of American culture and our founding principles, and that demand embracing foreign cultures and their ideals of government that run contrary to our Constitution.

For examples, all you have to do is look at the ridiculous divisive rhetoric equating love of country and small government to nazi’s, authoritarianism and racism.

Posted by: kctim at January 29, 2018 10:36 AM
Comment #423833

If that’s the case, why are Republicans insisting new laws are needed?

I think the American people have been duped to believe the old laws don’t work when, in fact, the old laws are being ignored instead of enforced. Were they to be enforced the immigration landscape would be completely different and new laws should not be needed.

New laws should be viewed as an accommodation to illegal immigration, not a solution.


Posted by: Weary Willie at January 29, 2018 11:05 AM
Comment #423834

The new laws required (for good reasons) are:
(a)stop chain-mirgation, so that each the 50 relatives of each legal immigrant cannot easily cut to the front of the line and acquire citizenship;
(b)stop the immigration/visa lottery, which allows some to cut to the front of the line;
(c)require and enforce eVerify (and/or similar background-check services), so that greedy employers can be prosecuted for employing illegal immigrants;
(d)the offspring of illegal immigrants should not receive automatic citizenship; 70% of babies born at Dallas Parkland Hospital are by illegal aliens; they parents then get a blue passport and collectively then live off the welfare and medicaid and benfits for the baby; 51% of all immigrants (legal and illegal) receive welfare; there are numerous magnets, that result in net losses to the U.S. (source: www.theamericanresistance.com/issues/economic_costs.html); 32% of all prisoners in federal prisons are illegal immigrants (source: www.cis.org/Huennekens/32-Federal-Inmates-Are-Aliens);

At any rate, the majority of voters have the government that they elect, and re-elect, and re-elect, … , at least, possibly, until rewarding corrupt incumbent politicians with perpetual re-election finally becomes too painful.

Posted by: d.a.n at January 29, 2018 11:43 AM
Comment #423835

A few Republicans want new laws in order to strengthen our immigration policy, and others want new laws because they see moving left to be the most beneficial to their career.

Leftists don’t want a solution to illegal immigration, it is a major part of their plan to move away from the Constitution in order to ‘transform’ the country from the inside. Something we have been warned about, but have always ignored.

Posted by: kctim at January 29, 2018 11:47 AM
Comment #423836
Hope you’re right Roy. Because from what I have seen so far, it will be very difficult to pin any crimes on most high-ranking officials in the current and present administrations.

Perhaps Mueller needs to review the RICO laws and see if they apply to Trump and the money launderers and the Russia oligarchs that do this stuff around the world.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/the-swiss-connection_court-upholds-swiss-investigator-s-dismissal-due-to-russian-links-/43861896

Posted by: j2t2 at January 29, 2018 12:14 PM
Comment #423838

Wouldn’t chain migration end if everyone was evaluated by their worth instead of their connections to others? Aren’t there adequate laws already in place to evaluate the individual’s value to the U.S.?

The DV lottery can be of value if the chosen are subject to the same rules every applicant is subjected to. If they fulfill the requirements of all immigrants and enter the queue with everyone else, why couldn’t a lottery system from countries that are under represented be a workable solution?

eVerify has been available since 1996. Over 700,000 employers use eVerify and over a million and a half hiring sites as well. Why is eVerify being portrayed as something that needs to be created and implemented in the future?

An in depth study of how foreign tourists in the 20-21st centuries became the equivalent of 19th century slaves needs to be done to explain how this aberration came to be the “law” of the land. Is it actually the “law” of the land? I’m not so sure it is actually codified, or if it is an interpretation coming from an increasingly vague and abused 14th amendment.


Who can point out how “new” laws strengthened our immigration policy? If that were the case we would not have an immigration problem. If any new laws should be passed they should be to repeal laws that have destroyed a once enforceable immigration policy.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 29, 2018 1:41 PM
Comment #423842

Sunday Wray meets with house Intel committee to preview 4 page memo.


Monday McCabe steps down, or is forced out. Sounds like this memo could be extremely bad for some folks in the swamp.

Posted by: dbs at January 29, 2018 3:53 PM
Comment #423845

“I fail to see why everyone is considering new immigration laws instead of insisting the existing laws be enforced.”

For me Weary, it is about changing the law regarding the “chain migration” and “lottery” style of choosing those who come legally to this country.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 29, 2018 5:15 PM
Comment #423846

Can you imagine any of these students as future leaders?

VIDEO: Students hate Trump’s SOTU…before it even happens!

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10442

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 29, 2018 5:48 PM
Comment #423848

I just heard that the committee voted to release the memo. I expect President Trump to sign off and we, the people, can read and judge for ourselves to determine if some officials, in our government, are acting against our best interests.

We, the people, have demanded transparency in government. Finally, we have elected officials who agree and act accordingly.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 29, 2018 7:30 PM
Comment #423853

Can’t wait to see all the black lines.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 29, 2018 10:03 PM
Comment #423858

Whats the difference between a Tijuana donkey show and what we have seen from the repubs on the intelligence committee this past month?

Whats the difference between the gringo tourist at the donkey show and the conservatives on Wb that believe the repubs on the intelligence committee actually have something of substance to show the American people?

Posted by: j2t2 at January 30, 2018 12:29 AM
Comment #423873

J2

Funny you would use the donkey show as a metaphor to describe the investigation of corruption inside the DOJ by Obama’s people. Ironic.

Posted by: dbs at January 30, 2018 7:58 AM
Comment #423874

dbs funny you would misinterpret the unwarranted attacks on the DOJ and FBI by repubs in Congress, gringo tourist comes to mind.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 30, 2018 9:48 AM
Comment #423875

Not as funny as you declaring them lacking of substance and unwarranted attacks before they are shown to the American people.

Rather than spending all your time trying to come up with ridiculous nonsensical comparisons to make believe nazi’s and s*x shows, perhaps you should spend some of it learning how to withhold judgement until the facts are known?

Posted by: kctim at January 30, 2018 10:04 AM
Comment #423880

J2

Hardly unwarranted. The evidence keeps piling up. Here’s a newsflash. If that unverified, piece of OR paid for by the DNC, and the Clinton campaign was a major factor in the issuing of that fisa Warrenton. The Mueller investigation is doomed. And so are those who took part in that witch hunt.

Posted by: dbs at January 30, 2018 12:38 PM
Comment #423883

The fact that democrats are loosing their minds over this memo being released, tells me all I need to know

Posted by: dbs at January 30, 2018 2:23 PM
Comment #423888

Our conservative battle against Liberals, Progressives and Socialists is nearly over for awhile. They have shouted and postured and written about a collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign for over a year. And, today there is still not a single fact they can print showing any such thing.

As losers usually do, they slink away in the dead of night muttering something about “we’ll be baaaack”. They attempt to use humor to assuage their fear of disappearing altogether as a political force.

The whistle-blowers are coming out of the woodwork in an attempt to get a deal to exempt themselves from prosecution. Those at the top of this corrupt pile of dung are eyeing the exits looking for an escape.

Sadly for them…there is none.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 30, 2018 3:50 PM
Comment #423900
j2t2 wrote: Whats the difference between a Tijuana donkey show and what we have seen from the repubs on the intelligence committee this past month?
Racists, NAZIs, and now accusing people of beastiality?

Is there no level that you won’t stoop to?
Why so much anger, vitriol, and hatred?

Posted by: d.a.n at January 30, 2018 10:53 PM
Comment #423921

All you have to do is look at the faces of the democrats at the SOTU address to know the depths of anger and depravity they gone too. A truly sick bunch.

Posted by: Blaine at January 31, 2018 4:12 PM
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