Another racist hoax

Remember the outrages about racist slurs at the Air Force Academy? Turns out the black cadet did it to himself. How about that black church that burned down, with Trump written on the wall? That got national attention as a hate crime. Turns out that a black parishioner did it. Bomb threats against Jews? This is the guy. Or the hate crime that turned out to be a blind girl taking care of her dog. Or the guy who wrote the n-word on his own car. People do this because they can so easily create hysteria over nothing important.

This is nothing new. Al Sharpton made his name and started his fortune pushing a bogus rape case.

We empower too much. One anonymous weirdo can make the whole country called racist. Even the hoaxers can win the day. The racist hoax at the Air Force Academy got the Commandant to give an impassioned speech to an audience of innocent cadets, save the one who wrote his own insults. Did anybody apologize for this? Rather they doubled down.

It is like the bad parent who after berating the child learns the kid was innocent, simple brushes it off by saying, "you must have done something.:

There are racists in America, some white, some black, some all sorts of others. But America is not a racist country. The fact that those trying to portray our country as such have to resort to trivial incidents and even hoaxes. Racists are evil, whether they are black or white. But they are few and becoming fewer.

Think about it. It used to be heroic to fight for civil rights. When Martin Luther King fought for the dream that people would be judged by the content of their characters and not the color of their skins, he risked death. Today, the grievance industry works to do the opposite of what MLK said. They want to be more conscious of race. Now, instead of heroic fights, they complain about a blind girl's dog crap.

We all need to lighten up. Even if these incidents are not hoaxes, they are trivial. More importantly, we should not empower anonymous weirdos. We should not allow ourselves to be driven made by a guy with a can of spray paint.

Posted by Christine & John at November 8, 2017 6:22 PM
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Comment #421375

Good post C/J

And, we know who has their “hair on fire” over most hoaxes.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 8, 2017 6:53 PM
Comment #421376

Royale

I bet more people have been involved in these racist hoaxes than the total active membership of the American Nazi Party.

Posted by: Christine & John at November 8, 2017 7:01 PM
Comment #421377

If we use the definition of “hoax” as something accepted or established by fraud or fabrication, much of the constant outrage, finger-pointing, and accusations by the Left could be considered a hoax.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 8, 2017 7:26 PM
Comment #421378

Royal

Much of the grievance industry is hoax. The identity politics it is based on requires outrage. Our generally tolerant society no longer supplies really good ones, so they look to the small and to the untrue.

Posted by: Christine & John at November 8, 2017 7:31 PM
Comment #421379

Let’s not forget how women will take advantage of the battered spouse syndrome and create instances as a weapon of revenge. It’s been going on for decades. Women will start a fight with their spouse and call the cops. Women will claim harassment or offense at the workplace and are not questioned. They use lies and exaggeration to eliminate competition.

Our court system and our law enforcement system and workplace regulations are migrating toward a guilty until proven innocent mindset because of an increased realization that manufactured outrage and an appeasement mentality will benefit the accuser.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 8, 2017 10:06 PM
Comment #421380

I’d rather overreact to 10 hoaxes than underreact to one genuine example. Racism is something that exists beyond the confines of an individual. This is why I don’t say “racists are evil” as C&J have done. Racism exists beyond a single person and can propagate even if nobody behaves in a racist manner as long as the victims believe they are being mistreated on account of their skin color (or other attribute in other cases of bigotry). Perception and interpretation can shape reality as much as the truth can. When the Black community (or any other marginalized group) says they feels threatened, it ought to be our first instinct to defend the vulnerable.

Posted by: Warren Porter at November 8, 2017 10:17 PM
Comment #421382

Warren

Reacting to the hoaxes is not w/o steep costs. They raise hatred and divisiveness. People can suffer can be driven out of schools or careers.

If nobody acts in a racist manner, you do not have racism. Ideas in general, do not exist outside human carriers.

If “victims” believe they are oppressed, but they are objectively not so, it is a type of pathology on their part.

Our first response to an accusation of any sort should be to determine its veracity. We can and should defend the vulnerable, but we cannot do that w/o truth.

If you if you really believe what you wrote, and are not just trying to be provocative, it is one of the most frightening things I have ever read on this site. You are an intelligent and thoughtful guy. I am too and have thought a lot about issues of morality.

What you have written almost totally contradicts what I consider good and ethical.

Yours is a sort of Marxist analysis, where group identity trumps individual and where behaviors are subordinated to status.

The communists, on taking power, murdered millions of people. They specifically did NOT consider individual guilt or innocence. It was enough to prove class membership. There was nothing anybody could do to change that.

This led to a complete perversion of morality. The Nazis followed a similar playbook, substituting race for class. This formulation was the basis for the evil of these totalitarian regimes. When they divorced the individual and behaviors from judgements, and separated guilt from responsibility all their atrocities became possible.

These sorts of formulas destroy humanity and make empathy something to be mocked and ignored. It is truly that basis of evil.

So it is astonishing that in that short paragraph you could advocate so many things that I thinks are wrong factually and morally.

Like Martin Luther King, I believe judging people by what they do and not their race or class. Unlike the totalitarians of the past(and evidently the present) I do not believe in thought crime. These are the basics of liberal democracy and the meaning of a good life.

Posted by: Christine & John at November 8, 2017 10:50 PM
Comment #421396

C&J, just a word of thanks for using the “fake media” as a source for some of your links.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 9, 2017 10:48 AM
Comment #421397

Kinda funny how our conservative friends don’t have a problem with the “fake media” at times like this.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 9, 2017 10:50 AM
Comment #421399

“When the Black community (or any other marginalized group) says they feels threatened, it ought to be our first instinct to defend the vulnerable.”

I too, as was C/J, am astonished with your comment and beliefs Warren.

It would seem that using your formula, my thoughts can harm people regardless of my actions.

Is that how it works with gender identification also. If I am a male; but think I am a female, and you don’t recognize my thoughts, you are harming me?

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 9, 2017 2:26 PM
Comment #421404

j2t2

What “fake media”?

I think you are confusing me with one of your stereotypes.

Posted by: Christine & John at November 9, 2017 7:13 PM
Comment #421405

Royal

It is worse than just the confusion. It is that totalitarian group impulse that made possible Nazi and communist power. It is worse that soft headed. It is actually evil.

As you may know, I spent much of a career opposing totalitarians. I know the thinking. I do not think Warren has thought this through. He is not a dumb guy.

This kind of group thinking led to the genocide on the industrial scale perpetrated by the Nazis and communists.

— As Martyn Latsis, an official of the Cheka, Lenin’s secret police, in a 1918 instruction to interrogators, wrote: “We are not waging war against individuals. We are exterminating the bourgeoisie as a class… . Do not look for evidence that the accused acted in word or deed against Soviet power. The first question should be to what class does he belong… . It is this that should determine his fate.”

This kind of thinking violates morality. And not only the religious sort of morality, it is in direct contradiction to Kant’s categorical imperative.

Posted by: Christine & John at November 9, 2017 7:29 PM
Comment #421406

Yes C/J, I don’t think Warren has “thought this through”. It does make one question the source of such malignant genocidal thinking. I don’t believe it is taught at home.

Thanks for the Latsis quote. I had not read this before you wrote it here. It explains much.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 9, 2017 7:57 PM
Comment #421408

Royal

It really is the basis of evil of both Nazis and communists. They came from the same direction, differing in how they determined groups membership.

Maybe it is ironic that the modern extremist identity politics folks share this formulation, but in their supposed zeal to be anti-racist resemble the Nazis even more than communists.

Posted by: Christine & John at November 9, 2017 8:40 PM
Comment #421409

Perhaps we should rethink the value identity politics brings to our society. If identity politics is detrimental to the well being of a functioning society, as it has proven to be, shouldn’t it be shunned?

I’m not talking about ignoring it. I’m talking about discriminating against anyone who believes identity politics is justification for passing laws, or workplace regulations, or defining acceptable behavior in public.

It shouldn’t matter if you’re a “first” anything. What should matter is your accomplishments and contributions to the society you’re claiming to be a part of.

The first step in problem solving is to identify the problem. Should Identity politics be considered a clear and present danger to the U.S. constitution?


Posted by: Weary Willie at November 9, 2017 9:27 PM
Comment #421410
Reacting to the hoaxes is not w/o steep costs. They raise hatred and divisiveness. People can suffer can be driven out of schools or careers.

This doesn’t have to be true. We can respond vociferously to alleged hate crimes without punishing or sanctioning the innocent. If a hoax leads to unequivocal statements of condemnation of the hoax’s message from our leaders, what harm is done? Obviously, this is assuming the hoax is not known to be hoax at the time.

If nobody acts in a racist manner, you do not have racism. Ideas in general, do not exist outside human carriers.
I never claimed that it would. All I said (or meant to say) was that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The Ship of Theseus lasts beyond the existence of any of its individual components. Likewise, racism is a cultural phenomenon greater than just the sum of all the racist beliefs and actions harbored by individuals. It is an organized system of oppression.
What you have written almost totally contradicts what I consider good and ethical.
I am not going to defend these straw men that you have constructed for me. I specifically said that I do not say “racists are evil” because I don’t want to make this an issue of an individual’s moral worth. Posted by: Warren Porter at November 9, 2017 9:39 PM
Comment #421411
I bet more people have been involved in these racist hoaxes than the total active membership of the American Nazi Party.

I’ll take that bet C&J. You have named 5 hoax’s so I think I have this one in the bag. I know you guys like to downplay the numbers of far right extremist as being almost nothing. Tell you what I would also offer a counter bet. I bet more people belong to the various fascist/nazi/white supremacist groups in this country than there are cases of voter fraud in this country. Yet conservatives would have us believe these laws are so important based upon such low numbers while downplaying the membership of these far right extremist groups.


What “fake media”?

Yeah, That’s what I say.


I was referring to others here on WB who erroneously, as you suggest, have used the term “fake media” when referring to CNN and the Washington post, C&J. I do not include you in that group.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 9, 2017 11:35 PM
Comment #421419

Warren

I am not constructing straw men. You implied two things that I reject. The first I find intellectually wrong and the second I find morally abhorrent. I apologize if you did not intend, but let me specify. It is all packed into this short sequence.

“Racism is something that exists beyond the confines of an individual. This is why I don’t say “racists are evil” as C&J have done. Racism exists beyond a single person and can propagate even if nobody behaves in a racist manner as long as the victims believe they are being mistreated on account of their skin color (or other attribute in other cases of bigotry).”

The intellectual mistake has to do with “Racism exists beyond a single person and can propagate even if nobody behaves in a racist manner” If nobody behaves in a racist manner, there is no racism. Ideas simply do not exist outside human hosts and if they are not expressed or manifest in any behaviors they do not matter.


The abhorrent part has to do with allowing “victims” to attribute group guilt to individuals and rejecting a general idea of truth. That is what the last sentence does.

I know this kind of talk is casually used in some university circles. But its roots are pernicious and its fruits are poisonous. If we trace its origin, we find it comes from a noxious brew of misunderstood Darwinism, Marxist group thinking and scientific racism of the late 19th Century. It spawned the totalitarians of the 20th Century, both communists and Nazis. Its weaker form continues to exist in the identity politics of today. It is never harmless and we need to guard against it become more virulent.

I would modify the thoughts a little. Racism is not dead, but its strongest fortress and the only place it gets intellectual justification is among the professors who push identity politics.

Posted by: Christine & John at November 10, 2017 9:08 AM
Comment #421422
The intellectual mistake has to do with “Racism exists beyond a single person and can propagate even if nobody behaves in a racist manner” If nobody behaves in a racist manner, there is no racism. Ideas simply do not exist outside human hosts and if they are not expressed or manifest in any behaviors they do not matter.

Okay, I understand where you got that idea, but it is not what I intended when I wrote that comment. I didn’t mean “nobody” in an absolute sense, but in the more limited case of “not one of the actors in this particular incident”. Even if those actors aren’t actually hosts of the racism virus, there are observers elsewhere who are infected. Failing to respond in a forthright manner emboldens the virus in those people and teaches them the wrong lesson that they can behave in racist ways and not bear any consequences of note.

The abhorrent part has to do with allowing “victims” to attribute group guilt to individuals and rejecting a general idea of truth. That is what the last sentence does.

I said nothing about guilt or truth. I merely stated that our first instinct should be to defend the vulnerable. Obviously, we should still collect facts and determine whether what was alleged actually occurred or not.

The issues stems from when there is not enough evidence to determine an absolute “Truth”. What do we do then? When it comes to the formal justice process of courts and prisons, we presume innocence when the truth is unknowable. However, that standard does not need to apply to other arenas.

For instance, a year ago about a dozen women alleged that Donald Trump sexually assaulted them. He was caught on video tape bragging about his habit of sexually assaulting women and getting away with it. Alone, these two facts are not sufficient evidence to send a man to prison, but it ought to lead to his ostracization unless some evidence is discovered that discounts the women’s claims.

Posted by: Warren Porter at November 10, 2017 11:03 AM
Comment #421423

That’s not what happened and you know it, Warren Porter. This is a problem. You read into his remarks what you want in them. He did not say he sexually assaulted women. That is your concoction. What you are perpetuating is a lie.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 10, 2017 11:12 AM
Comment #421424

WW,

Lie if you wish, but Donald Trump clearly says that he habitually kisses women without their consent and that because he is a star he is entitled to do anything he wants, even grab their genitalia.

Posted by: Warren Porter at November 10, 2017 11:19 AM
Comment #421426

He said they let him. Quit reading into it what you want.

What difference did it make anyway? People didn’t care. They elected him in spite of your lies and manufactured outrage. This type of slander doesn’t work for the left any longer.

I have an idea, Warren Porter. Try getting the Democratic’s to actually come up with solutions to problems instead of the constant, rabid, attack dog mentality it’s stuck on.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 10, 2017 11:45 AM
Comment #421440

WW,

Only the most contorted interpretation of those words leads you to conclude that Trump bragged about consensual interactions. I will continue to take Trump at his word on this matter rather than make excuses for a misogynist.

Posted by: Warren Porter at November 10, 2017 8:58 PM
Comment #421500

thanks

Posted by: hammer of thor bandung at November 13, 2017 6:55 AM
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