Director Comey Keeps Us All in a Fog

Ok, we have a troubling cloud, a poisoned fog, enveloping the White House, according to the latest media narrative. And not just the media. GOP Representative Nunes used the cloud analogy, and not even in an “as if there were” sense, but rather directly. And this isn’t really about Trump’s tweets accusing Obama of wiretapping, which has likely become - to use Charles Krauthammer’s phrase - farce.

There is an ongoing investigation at the FBI. Who it involves they won't exactly say, but the fact that it is focused on Trump campaign associates, and is aimed at resolving whether there was any collusion between members/associates of the Trump campaign and the Russian government during the 2016 presidential campaign, points us towards people like Paul Manafort and Roger Stone.

The charge - unstated in any formal sense - seems pretty certain to be collusion of some kind between Russian agents and members of the Trump campaign. Again, this seems sadly logical but we can't be certain, because the FBI won't give details.

So what is the legal definition of collision?

There are several and most have to do with market manipulation or fraud of some kind by two or more actors or agents collaborating against the injured party (actors/agents in the game theory sense of the word). But here's another broader definition from Black's online legal dictionary:

A deceitful agreement or compact between two or more persons, for the one party to bring an action against the other for some evil purpose, as to defraud a third party of his right.

That's a sweeping, powerful, disturbing ... and vague definition. God help the FBI if it comes down to proving in a court of law that say, Roger Stone, had a deceitful agreement with some Russians to bring an action against ... the DNC? Hillary Clinton? Democrat voters? America's electoral process?

In other words, what would a Trump campaign associate have to do to legally be found guilty of collusion? What are the legal precedents? What case law do you refer to?

Or is it a waste of time to be asking these type of questions? Because this is political not legal, in the strict sense of the term. The term Comey used in his statements on Capitol Hill on Monday was "coordination" ... not "collusion", by the way.

The FBI is conducting a secret investigation without the checks and balances inherent in a court of law's proceedings because it is a counterintelligence investigation. Which may become a criminal investigation. Until then, we just don't know what they won't tell us.

Director Comey did state in his hearing that the FBI is (or would?) as well investigate the leaks by members of the intel community to outlets like the NYTimes and the Washington Post. But isn't that investigating the very people who are investigating Trump associates' possible collusion to Russian actors? Any conflict of interest concerns here on the part of Comey?

Right now, this is a mess, wrapped in a fog, sitting on some servers, somewhere in D.C. One can read almost any conspiracy you want into the smoke and mirrors Director Comey stoically revealed to Congress. Russia not only stole the election, they murdered Andrew Breitbart and cleared a path for Bannon! You want to believe that? Go ahead. The FBI is setting up an impeachment trial of President Trump to cover up their own failings! You like that? Go for it.

A question for Comey: may this get to the point where more damage is done to America and it's democratic republic by not releasing as much information as is feasible, than any damage to FBI and intel spy methods in general that overseas actors might glean from such transparency? How did that quote go? About Russia introducing "chaos and division" into America's political system?

Who made that quote about chaos and division? Oh yes, Comey himself. Might not the best way to heal this chaos and division be to have as much transparency as reasonably possible? Or is that too much to ask of Comey? Which means instead that we get an endless, secretive investigation that may or may not end in criminal charges.

Posted by Keeley at March 21, 2017 2:23 PM
Comments
Comment #414531

Keeley, my simple summation is…politics as usual and as practiced by both parties to viciously harm your opponent.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 21, 2017 3:13 PM
Comment #414532

I will wait until the FBI and Congress complete their investigations before reaching any final conclusions.

However, I will note Benjamin Wittes’ belief that Comey’s milquetoast testimony indicates that he possesses damning information that he believes could lead him to something grander. Wittes notes that when there is no evidence of criminal activity, Comey is more than willing to share every salacious detail.
Yesterday was different. Comey doesn’t want to offend Trump, lest that disrupt his investigation. Thus, he refused to comment even on things that were not confidential such as Flynn’s now-admitted conversations with Ambassador Kislyak.

Posted by: Warren Porter at March 21, 2017 3:37 PM
Comment #414534

There were two major results:

1) Trump lied in his tweets about Obama and wiretapping. Trump also lied when he said he would provide evidence. He did not. The FBI, NSA, and DOJ all agreed there was no evidence for that assertion. It was a lie, a black lie.

2) The Trump campaign is under an active investigation for collusion with the Russians. That is pretty astounding all by itself. There may be nothing to it. There may be a great deal. As Congressman Schiff outlined in his statement, there is a great deal of circumstantial evidence. There is a lot of smoke, so there may be a fire.

Trump has made this worse at every turn. He may be innocent. But he sure acts like he is guilty. On day 1 he could have demanded an independent bipartisan investigation that could have wrapped it up by now. That is what an innocent person would do. Instead, Trump and the people in his campaign have lied. When caught, they backpedal, and lie some more. It is not a crime to tell lies, but boy, it sure looks bad.

So here is a question-
If several people from the Trump campaign are indicted for colluding with the Russians, but not Trump, should he resign? What if he is an unindicted co-conspirator? Should he resign then?

I don’t think there are any circumstances under which the GOP will impeach him. The testimony yesterday is a pretty good demonstration of that. The Republicans would not even address the Russian cyber attack on our election. That was a shameful performance by the GOP.

Posted by: phx8 at March 21, 2017 3:55 PM
Comment #414535

Such theater! I wonder what’s really happening that all this theater is covering up?

What is the media ignoring to put this in it’s place?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 21, 2017 3:56 PM
Comment #414536

What is really happening Weary, is an attempt by the Democrats to achieve something they couldn’t gain thru an election.

Namely; POWER!

The Democrat Party is in shambles. They face losing even more senate seats in two years as payback for their disastrous policies and actions when they held power.

The Party is loath to blame themselves for the defeat of Liberalism at the polls. They are desperate to redirect attention away from their failures. So, they create a scandal, or appearance of one, directed against anyone but themselves. This gives them a platform from which to launch accusations that will be believed by some who also are humiliated by the loss of power; and by their powerful allies in the media.

The Loony wing of the Democrat Party is demanding ever more liberal policies and candidates. Leaderless, the Party power players (Schumer, Pelosi et.al.) remaining in office are trying to attract attention by attacking Republicans.

If one has little political power, the strategy is to attack those who have a lot of political power.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 21, 2017 4:25 PM
Comment #414537

“What is really happening… is an attempt by the Democrats to achieve something they couldn’t gain thru an election… POWER!”

Collusion with the Russians in the 2016 election would not change the fact that the GOP controls the Senate, House, and Executive Branch. Even if Trump and associates are exposed as traitors, Trump would still be succeeded by a Republican.

No one ‘created a scandal.’ No one made Trump defend and compliment Putin at every opportunity, and undermine allies. No one forced Trump to lie about Obama wiretapping him. No one prevented him from saying he would provide evidence of surveillance, and then provide nothing whatsoever.

Look, I could go on and on, but it is pretty obvious neither RF nor WW have their heads in the sand.

Posted by: phx8 at March 21, 2017 4:42 PM
Comment #414539

“GOP controls the Senate, House, and Executive Branch.”

Correct phx8. The only power the Democrats have must be manufactured and then promoted and advertised.

Get it?

You write; “No one ‘created a scandal.” Hell fire man, there is no “scandal” except for that which exists in the minds of political partisans seeking revenge for what they, themselves, are responsible for. Namely, loosing elections.

Losers always blame winners.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 21, 2017 4:54 PM
Comment #414540

Then why did FBI Director Comey start the FBI investigation into Trump and Russia in July of 2016?

Posted by: phx8 at March 21, 2017 5:03 PM
Comment #414542

You are the one who seems to be fascinated and flummoxed phx8. Please tell us why.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 21, 2017 5:17 PM
Comment #414544

Hold on. WW claimed this was all ‘theater.’ You said it was revenge by the Democrats for losing, and that this was their only avenue to power- ok, that doesn’t make sense, but that was your assertion. Yet the FBI started this investigation in July 2016. It is only now, in March 2017, that this has come to light. There is an active investigation by the FBI into the Trump campaign and collusion with the Russians. We already know the Russians influenced the election.

It matters. In the next election others will try to do the same to us, especially if they see that it succeeded in 2016 and there are no consequences. They may target the Democrats. They may target the Republicans. If we fail to address this now, and punish those who engaged in wrongdoing, there is not much hope for democratic elections.

By the way, Breitbart and Infowars are also under FBI investigation for colluding.

It seems to me that it will be very difficult to distinguish between those who were “useful idiots” for the Russians, and those who actively colluded. We will see. I think it will take a financial trail to nail it down.

Posted by: phx8 at March 21, 2017 5:33 PM
Comment #414545

The best course of action phx8, is to see what develops from any investigation. Speculation may be fun, for some, but who has time for that?

OH, WAIT! Those paid, or those who benefit in some other way are those who have time. Let’s see, that would be the media and Democrat politicians.

As my Lefty Pals often reminded us a short while ago; show me the warrants or legal charges of Obama era investigations.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 21, 2017 5:42 PM
Comment #414546

I believe the Democratics need to have some Republicans tarred and feathered for collusion, ( a word phx8 hangs on to even after Comey said, “cooperation”, because that is exactly what the DNC and the media did when they went after Sanders. They need a scapegoat to take the attention off of them by saying, “See! They do it too!”.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 21, 2017 6:13 PM
Comment #414549

Rachel madcow Maddow must be the source for those wild claims. She will make another blockbuster paper waving claim while she bats her eyelashes to keep time with each wave of the papers. That will be done in 6/8 time

Posted by: tom humes at March 21, 2017 11:38 PM
Comment #414554

We get it Trumpeters, Republicans are beyond reproach, whiter than snow and Democrats are petty devils hell bent on handing America to ISIS. All the things you claim the left is doing i.e. convicting as guilty without waiting for facts, reading into news reports worse case scenarios etc. are exactly the same things your side did during the whole campaign. You believed every fake news story about Clinton because you wanted it to be true, you had no concerns then about what was real, fake, exaggerated. Now that the shoe is on the other foot suddenly all those same behaviors are totally unacceptable. Your Party’s leader, Mr. Deal maker himself is the biggest peddler of fake news there ever was, he tweets about fox news and Breitbart articles as if the source was Jesus himself. Where’s the outrage about unnamed sources trump said was an indication that news was fake? Where’s the outrage about all the BS accusations trump makes without even a speck of evidence. All we hear is about how the voters have punished the democrats by giving repubs all the power yet they cant even get a health care bill passed their own party, wasn’t that supposed to be done on day 1? is ISIS defeated yet? its been 30 days… what Trump’s poll numbers again? oh yeah 37%, they must be fake

Posted by: Paul at March 22, 2017 11:26 AM
Comment #414555

It’s not that “Republicans are beyond reproach,” Paul. Its the left’s dishonesty, its desperately clinging to the dumbest non-issue things, and its blatant hypocrisy like you have displayed with Clinton.

This is the ‘birther’ and ‘muslim’ nonsense x100.

Posted by: kctim at March 22, 2017 12:57 PM
Comment #414556
This is the ‘birther’ and ‘muslim’ nonsense x100.

Did any of those ‘issues’ lead to FBI and Congressional investigations?

Posted by: Warren Porter at March 22, 2017 1:19 PM
Comment #414557

“I” have displayed nothing you claim as “I” am not a Clinton supporter, She was a crappy candidate with no vision and too much baggage. I’ve said it before, i actually agree with a lot of Trump’s policy positions, I just think he lacks the skills required to rally a majority of Americans to his agenda. His too busy bragging about the mandate he never got. The problem though is “Clinton” is no longer running for president and the longer Trump supporters keep bringing her up the more you look like your deflecting responsibility. Trump has to own his issues now. This “Clinton did worse” “or would have been worse” angle isn’t going to cut it. She didn’t get the job, he did. Now he has to deal with the consequences of his previous and current decisions as PRESIDENT. She is a “has been” and “never was’. The birther issue was a non issue that some on the right still believe, as for “muslim” nonsense, i have no idea what you are referencing. But the guy who is president today has repeatedly said on record that he had or hoped to have a “great” relationship with Russia and the FBI confirmed they have an ongoing investigation into those possible ties. But when all US intelligence agencies have said there is zero evidence of wire taps or surveillance and yet Trump support say “no evidence” doesn’t meant it didn’t happen that they are guilty of the very hypocrisy you pin on “the left”, because if “no evidence” means the wire tap claims could still be true “no evidence of wrong doing my the trump campaign means it still could still true as well, you can;t have it both ways.

Posted by: Paul at March 22, 2017 1:23 PM
Comment #414559

“We get it Trumpeters…”

No Paul, you don’t. I read your frenzied comments and can only suggest that you take your meds.

Paul then writes; “I just think he (Trump) lacks the skills required to rally a majority of Americans to his agenda.”

Really? I thought that is what he did to win the election. He outlined his agenda; and…and…won.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 22, 2017 1:57 PM
Comment #414560

RF, thats all you got? “take your meds/frenzied comments”. He won the election by the skin of his teeth, he did not win a landslide or a mandate. He acts like he racked up 80% of the electorate and has wide support, he has neither, he can’t even get his own party to support his signature legislation and his approval numbers are in the toilet. All the things he said he’d do on day 1 he didn’t do. But you can’t come with anything else but “take your meds/frenzied comments”. So if “i don’t get it” thats fine by me, i wouldn’t want you have anyway.

Posted by: Paul at March 22, 2017 2:21 PM
Comment #414561

What we are seeing is a complete meltdown of the left. They honestly believe that if the scream and shout long enough, they will be able to get Trump impeached. Not only that, but they believe that once Pence is installed in the presidency, somehow they will be able to remove him and put Hillary Clinton in the WH. It’s delusional, and the lefties on WB are the ones who cling most to this delusional idea.

Every thing the left has accused Trump of is evaporating. He is accomplishing what he promised to do, and this scares the democrats to death. We now have information coming out that Trump WAS wire tapped after he won the election, and the left is continuing to try to defend Obama, but what took place in Obama’s justice department, belongs to Obama.

Posted by: Blaine at March 22, 2017 2:30 PM
Comment #414562

Looks like Manafort is being cornered. This is damning:

http://bigstory.ap.org/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a

Trump and Spicer keep changing their stories. On Monday, Spicer said Manafort “played a very limited role for a very limited amount of time.” Remember, this guy was Trump’s Campaign Manager through the convention. Now it appears he was a spy for the Russians and Putin.

Posted by: phx8 at March 22, 2017 2:34 PM
Comment #414563

Please share with us the things Trump has accomplished that he said he would ?

Posted by: Paul at March 22, 2017 2:45 PM
Comment #414564

Paul wrote; “I’ve said it before, i actually agree with a lot of Trump’s policy positions…”

LOL…does anyone believe Paul?

Thanks for the Manafort link phx8. I found this paragraph very interesting.

“Manafort worked as Trump’s unpaid campaign chairman last year from March until August, a period that included the Republican National Convention that nominated Trump in July. Trump asked Manafort to resign after AP revealed that Manafort had orchestrated a covert Washington lobbying operation until 2014 on behalf of Ukraine’s ruling pro-Russian political party.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 22, 2017 2:54 PM
Comment #414565

Paul, if we look at the margin of victory that Hillary was supposed to win by, even up until 9PM on election Tuesday, and then we look at the margin of victory that Trump actually had; we can come to the conclusion that Trump won the presidency by a massive victory. By the left’s standards, just a simple majority victory placed Trump as winning by by the greatest of majorities.

Number 2, the republicans certainly have the agenda when you take into account that not only did Trump win, but the republicans also maintained control of the house and senate. Not to mention the loss of more state and local governments. Either the democrats or the republicans have the mandate; are you saying the democrats have a mandate? We are on the verge of replacing Scalia with a conservative, constitutional, well qualified justice. This is what Trump promised, even before he won, and this is exactly why he was voted for by the American voters. Let me explain something to you; if Trump accomplished nothing more than getting Gorsuch in the SC during his first 4 years, he is successful. Obamacare means diddly squat to me; if the republicans fail to repeal it, Obamacare is destined to self destruct.

Lastly, what you allude to as not being able to get the party together; I refer to as differing opinions in the Republican Party. Unlike the lockstep socialist views of the democrats. Even moderates in the Democratic Party are terrified to open their mouths in opposition, therefore kooks like Pelosi and Warren run the show.

Posted by: Blaine at March 22, 2017 2:56 PM
Comment #414566


“Did any of those ‘issues’ lead to FBI and Congressional investigations?”

The ‘birther’ and ‘muslim’ nonsense? No, that was just partisan blabber on dumb non-issues. Same as the Nazi, fascist, rapist, Russian mole, racist, hacked election and fake news crap, that we are hearing today.

‘Issues’ that led to FBI and Congressional investigations would have been things like the abuse of the IRS, Fast & Furious gun walking, Benghazi, the use of non-secure personal servers for official government business, and the mishandling of classified information.

Posted by: kctim at March 22, 2017 3:01 PM
Comment #414567

Paul, I don’t have to list Trumps accomplishments, they have already been covered by the media. Of course, this would require you to access a media outlet that is not liberal. Do some googling, I know you can do it.

Posted by: Blaine at March 22, 2017 3:03 PM
Comment #414568

From what I have read, it looks to me like the House bill to improve Obamacare will not have the votes to pass.

Frankly, this please me very much. I don’t want Rinocare to replace Obamacare.

House Republicans should keep working with Conservatives in Congress to write a bill that actually helps all Americans. In the meantime work on a new tax bill.

While a new health care bill is being fashioned, we will watch Obamacare twisting and turning in an ignominious, and well deserved, death.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 22, 2017 3:29 PM
Comment #414569

Royal Flush, i don’t need to prove to you what i do or dont believe. Based on your constant personal attacks your not really looking to debate anyway. At least Blaine can stick to the actual topic, see rules for participation.
Blaine: The problem in my opinion is that standards for what constitutes a mandate have gotten so low winning the electoral college but losing the popular vote now means he has a mandate?. If it were Billary with the same results you would be singing a different tune. But thats ok, believe want you want to believe, you can blindly support whoever you want but we should all look in the mirror and decide whether our own blind partisanship has made the country better or more polarized. Obama left office with a 51% approval rating and we consider that a success were basically saying that as president a D average is good enough because its the best you could really get in today’s broken America

Posted by: Paul at March 22, 2017 3:30 PM
Comment #414571

Paul,
You discounted the wrongdoings of Clinton as fake news and then you condemned other for having no concern about what was real, fake, or exaggerated.

We are way to divided of a country for any President to rally a majority of Americans to his or her agenda.

Yes, now that he is President, Trump has issues that he must deal with. Unfortunately, it’s only been a few months since the election, so Clinton is going to still be mentioned. Especially when the same people who blindly defended her at all costs are now doing a 180 and attacking Trump.

Yes, some people still believe the birther stuff, but it’s not people like Ryan or Cruz.

https://twitter.com/MaxineWaters?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

The “muslim nonsense” was in reference to those who claimed President Obama was a muslim. They just weren’t as hardcore as the birthers, and they didn’t have as many conspiracy theories, lol.

“But the guy who is president today has repeatedly said on record that he had or hoped to have a “great” relationship with Russia”

Russia is a superpower, so should a new President be hoping for a terrible relationship with them? And you do know that President Obama tried to “reset” our deteriorating relationship with Russia under the Bush years?

“and the FBI confirmed they have an ongoing investigation into those possible ties.”

It was also reported that “none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.”

And yet, liberals say ‘no evidence doesn’t mean it didn’t happen,’ and are promoting it as fact.
Imagine that.

Posted by: kctim at March 22, 2017 3:48 PM
Comment #414572

I’m not claiming all bad news about Clinton was fake, i’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of those calling other Hypocrites. There is enough real bad news about all these shady people. The difference is that one of them is president today, the other is still licking her wounds.
Trump since becoming president is all over the place and is squandering his political capital/credibility. His acceptance speech was awesome, his speech to congress even better! but the rest is far from awesome. The rest is classic bullying, gloating, conspiracy theory “shoot from the hip, figure out if it was true” later. Democrats got their asses kicked and is was overdue and they’re still trying to stay relevant. But after 8 years of opposition Republicans and some conservatives just can’t switch gears. They’re still blaming others for what they can’t get done today. They control everything now but if they’re not careful the same thing that happened to the Dems will happen to them, in 2 years they’ll loose control of something (house or senate) and then it will be another 2-6 years of partisan gridlock.

Posted by: Paul at March 22, 2017 4:05 PM
Comment #414576
The ‘birther’ and ‘muslim’ nonsense? No, that was just partisan blabber on dumb non-issues. Same as the Nazi, fascist, rapist, Russian mole, racist, hacked election and fake news crap, that we are hearing today.

‘Issues’ that led to FBI and Congressional investigations would have been things like the abuse of the IRS, Fast & Furious gun walking, Benghazi, the use of non-secure personal servers for official government business, and the mishandling of classified information.

The hacking of last year’s election and alleged connections between Trump’s associates and Russian agents are currently topics of FBI investigations. These belong in the latter category, not the former.


“and the FBI confirmed they have an ongoing investigation into those possible ties.”

It was also reported that “none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.”

It is disingenuous for you to cite a New York Times article from October 31 that has been profoundly discredited by subsequent reports.

Posted by: Warren Porter at March 22, 2017 10:54 PM
Comment #414579

Have they caught Seth Rich’s murderer yet?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 23, 2017 4:30 AM
Comment #414583

Warren,
What is ‘disingenuous’ is still claiming that last years election was hacked. A DNC member fell for a phishing scam and gave up his password, which was then used to get into the DNCs server and access some DNC emails.

The left can’t have people blaming them for their own stupidity and then holding them accountable for the content of those emails, it needs voters believing that the government and election were hacked.

That is partisan nonsense.

“alleged connections between Trump’s associates and Russian agents are currently topics of FBI investigations”

Yes, THAT belongs in the latter category and once the investigations are complete, IF needed, the proper actions need to be taken. But that is not what the media and dem leadership is doing.
You’ve got the MSM and leftist nuts like Waters intentionally ignoring the alleged and associates parts, and promoting the false narrative that Trump and Putin worked together to hack into our government and change the election results, as if it were proven fact. Dishonestly claiming impeachment can, or is, coming any day now.

“…has been profoundly discredited by subsequent reports.”

The wet dreams of liberal mouthpieces and unnamed sources sitting in closed door meetings? Hardly.
When the FBI states that direct link between Trump and Putin has been found, that will “profoundly discredit” the earlier reports.

Posted by: kctim at March 23, 2017 10:38 AM
Comment #414584
What is ‘disingenuous’ is still claiming that last years election was hacked. A DNC member fell for a phishing scam and gave up his password, which was then used to get into the DNCs server and access some DNC emails.

The left can’t have people blaming them for their own stupidity and then holding them accountable for the content of those emails, it needs voters believing that the government and election were hacked.

That is partisan nonsense.

Phishing is a hacking tool and such hacking tools were employed against the DNC and John Podesta, thereby leading to the illegal disclosure of private communication. Likewise, these hacks clearly influenced the election in the GOP’s favor. Given this, denying that the elections were hacked is quite disingenuous. Hacking swung the election towards Trump, this is incontrovertible for all except those who want to parse the meaning of words.

Simply dismissing the matter as the consequence of stupidity on the part Podesta or other DNC officials is pure partisan nonsense. Phishing scams are crimes and winning an election the basis of one is foul play to say the least.

The wet dreams of liberal mouthpieces and unnamed sources sitting in closed door meetings?

Actually, I referred to this.

We assess Putin, his advisers, and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump over Secretary Clinton.

That’s very different from the anonymously sourced claim that you presented:

was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.

Some anonymous sources are useful others are not. The NYT story from October 31 is no longer credible.

Posted by: Warren Porter at March 23, 2017 11:38 AM
Comment #414588

How long must this insane from the left proceed? The democrats have been repeatedly asked to show evidence of a Trump/Russian conspiracy to changed the outcome of an election; but all we hear are leftist talking points. Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate and she lost. I suggest you go back to the you tube videos of the election evening broadcasts. It’s hilarious to watch the broadcasters up until about 9 pm, at which point they saw the handwriting on the wall and realized the polls and predictions were bogus.

As I tried to explain to Paul, who doesn’t seem to have the ability to comprehend, if you go from the predictions of a massive Hillary win to the actual Trump victory; the Trump victory becomes a clean sweep. Trump won for many reasons; but the main reason he won was to put a conservative justice in the SC. But now, we have silly people on the left trying to tell us Trump has no mandate to do exactly what he’s doing. He won, the republicans retained the congress, and gained even more state and local governments. I’m waiting to hear a liberal democrat explain why the left has the mandate.

Now we have evidence that Trump was wiretapped by the Obama administration and what does the left do…they whine and cry it’s not fair that the republican head of the intelligence committee let the cat out of the bag. I have to sit back and LMAO at the left. Nothing changes on WB, I get on here and read the lefts responses, and 3 weeks later get on and read the same whining and crying. In the meantime democrats in high places have moved on, but not the hacks in the liberal media or on WB. Same ol, same ol.

Posted by: Blaine at March 23, 2017 1:32 PM
Comment #414589

If the reporting from the NYT is bogus, then the reporting from buzzfeed was bogus, the reporting fro CNN is bogus, and so is every other report dealing with the same subject. The liberal media outlets gave up their research and reporting years ago, for the convenient ability to just copy and paste news stories.

Posted by: Blaine at March 23, 2017 1:43 PM
Comment #414591

“Hacking swung the election towards Trump…”

Most likely that is true Warren. It revealed “private communication” damaging to the Party and their candidate.

The Trump campaign had no hand in writing this damaging stuff or in its release.

“I have to sit back and LMAO at the left.”

Blaine, I am laughing right along with you. These Lefty Pals of ours are truly amazing.

“The NYT story from October 31 is no longer credible.”
Posted by: Warren Porter at March 23, 2017 11:38 AM

Does it fit into the “fake news” category Warren?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 23, 2017 2:54 PM
Comment #414592

Blaine, I’m capable of comprehending many things, you just suck at explaining them. You can keep assuming i’m “left” and lump me in in some broad generalization of the “left” but i’m not, which means you’re wrong. I was not a Hilary supporter. Your problem is that you assume you speak for a majority of Americans and anybody who has any criticism of Trump is by default a Clinton supporter. You and RF can keep repeating the same false assumptions over and over again, that doesn’t make it true. You just using Trump logic i.e. if i just keep repeating the same baseless BS over and over eventually people will think its true. Obama did not wire tap Trump, Its been debunked over and over again, I cna only assume you get your news from Trump’s twitter feed and believe everything he says.

Posted by: Paul at March 23, 2017 3:00 PM
Comment #414593

“Obama did not wire tap Trump…”

Hey Paul, Can you point to my writing anything saying Obama wire tapped Trump?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 23, 2017 3:08 PM
Comment #414594

RF, wasnt talking about you. Its not all about you you know. I`m talking about Trump and those that support him blindly that can`t think for themselves. If you feel that includes you then by all means, climb in the clown car…

Posted by: Paul at March 23, 2017 3:28 PM
Comment #414595

Paul, you wrote; “You and RF can keep repeating the same false assumptions over and over again, that doesn’t make it true. You just using Trump logic i.e. if i just keep repeating the same baseless BS over and over eventually people will think its true. Obama did not wire tap Trump…”

Are you silly enough Paul, to think an insult would justify your spin?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 23, 2017 3:35 PM
Comment #414596

First off, you do keep repeating the same arguments over and over again, you’ve been posting on WB for as long as i can remember, you’re an insult flinger who doesn’t appear very open minded. Secondly its only an insult if you’re admitting you blindly support Trump and everything he says and does.

Posted by: Paul at March 23, 2017 3:39 PM
Comment #414597

Spin away Paul. Why not man-up and just admit you made a mistake?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 23, 2017 3:41 PM
Comment #414598

What mistake is that again? Am I getting to you? better take your blood pressure meds…

Posted by: Paul at March 23, 2017 3:44 PM
Comment #414599

My comment about the “wire tapping” was for Blain.

“We now have information coming out that Trump WAS wire tapped after he won the election, and the left is continuing to try to defend Obama, but what took place in Obama’s justice department, belongs to Obama.”
Posted by: Blaine at March 22, 2017 2:30 PM

I thought I would repost what he said in case the thread is moving to fast for you.

Posted by: Paul at March 23, 2017 3:47 PM
Comment #414600

Paul, if Warren Porter can be believed, he was not a Hillary supporter either, but he is certainly a leftist. You know the old saying, “if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck”. Do you know how many lefties want to troll on websites like WB and try to sound like independent thinking conservatives, who just happen to be never Trumpers? Never Hillary, but you have no problem defending everything she stands for.

Sorry, but the jury’s not in on the wiretapping of Trump. First we have to ask ourselves, is the Obama administration capable of doing such a thing; yes they certainly are. Next, we have to ask ourselves, would Obama think he could do it without repercussions; again the answer is yes.

Lastly, your comment that if we just keep saying the same BS over and over again, it will be believed. This is a liberal tactic not conservative. To try to use reverse psychology and accuse the other guy of using the tactics of your own playbook proves your liberal bias.

Posted by: Blaine at March 23, 2017 3:51 PM
Comment #414601

AWWWW Paul. He’s just a poor, simple and misunderstood guy.

Bob Woodward: Obama officials possibly facing criminal charges for unmasking scheme

“The Washington Post’s Bob Woodward warned on Wednesday that there are people from the Obama administration who could be facing criminal charges for unmasking the names of Trump transition team members from surveillance of foreign officials.”

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/woodward-obama-officials-possibly-facing-criminal-charges/article/2618185

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 23, 2017 3:51 PM
Comment #414602

“Thursday on CNN’s “New Day,” House Oversight Committee ranking Democrat Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) called for an investigation of House Intelligence Committee Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) on the heels of Nunes’ decision to reveal findings of his committee’s investigation of surveillance of President Donald Trump’s transition team to Trump before revealing them to his own committee.”

From Breitbart, whenever democrats disagree with the findings, they call for an investigation.

Posted by: Blaine at March 23, 2017 4:05 PM
Comment #414603

And i total agree with that, if people in Obama’s administration, “deep state” people violated the law and leaked info. then they should be held accountable. And If trump transition people were in contact with Russian officials they shouldn’t have been talking to they too should be held accountable. I’m not against any of that stuff. But quite frankly i don’t think Obama should be personally blamed and called “a sick guy” if someone within his “admin” did something they shouldn’t have, any more than i hold Trump personally accountable for what Flynn did. Flynn got caught trying to hide something he should’t have done and Trump fired his ass and I applaud him for that.

Posted by: Paul at March 23, 2017 4:08 PM
Comment #414604

Paul…I agree.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 23, 2017 4:11 PM
Comment #414605

OMG did we just agree on something!? Am i free of my Hilary troll label yet?

Posted by: Paul at March 23, 2017 4:14 PM
Comment #414606

Ah, yes Paul, Trump fired him… but did Obama fire anyone. Did Obama fire Susan Rice for blatantly lying of 5 Sunday news broadcasts? No. By the way, another example of the lefts playbook to repeat the lie, until it becomes truth.

Secondly, “the buck stops here”, from the desk of a democrat president. Whatever Obama’s administration did, is reflected upon his leadership.

But let’s look at Royal’s link that Bob Woodward article said Obama’s people could face criminal charges for unmasking the names of Trump’s transition team. Where were these names gathered from? Was it from the wiretaps that democrats said didn’t happen?

Posted by: Blaine at March 23, 2017 4:20 PM
Comment #414607

Am i free of my Hilary troll label yet?
Posted by: Paul at March 23, 2017 4:14 PM

Don’t know Paul. That was never written by me.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 23, 2017 4:27 PM
Comment #414608

Blaine, it should be fun to watch the Left squirm should criminal charges be brought against those Obama officials who unmasked American citizens.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 23, 2017 4:33 PM
Comment #414609

RF, fair enough, it was another Blaine comment i mistakenly attributed to you.

Blaine: You’re at it again, there were no illegal wire taps. Certainly not by Obama, even Nunes said it, if Trump’s people were picked up while having conversations with people legally under surveillance that’s their issue to deal with. And anyone caught leaking that info. should also be help accountable.

“This is a normal, incidental collection, based on what I could collect,” Nunes said. “This appears to be all legally collected foreign intelligence under [the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act], where there was incidental collection that ended up in reporting channels and it was widely disseminated.” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif.

“http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/trump-surveillance-saga-gives-new-meaning-to-common-intel-word.html”

Posted by: Paul at March 23, 2017 4:41 PM
Comment #414610

“Did Obama fire Susan Rice for blatantly lying of 5 Sunday news broadcasts?”

Blaine,

This why it is so hard to have a rational discussion with the right. Mike Morrell, Assistant Director of the CIA, at the time, has repeatedly testified that the Rice “talking points” were constructed by the CIA without any editing by the White House. If the “talking points” were a lie then it was not Rice or the White House who lied but the CIA.

Posted by: Rich at March 23, 2017 5:00 PM
Comment #414611

Mike Morrell, close adviser to Obama and appointed as deputy director by Obama. But besides that, who in their right mind believes that Rice, Obama, Clinton, or the rest of the Obama people were all out there spreading the same false narrative, based on the advice of Mike Morrell?

Judicial Watch, under the freedom of information act, after months and years was able to decipher that the Obama administration was in fact responsible for the false video narrative. Do some research instead of listening to the leftist talking points.

Posted by: Blaine at March 23, 2017 5:27 PM
Comment #414614

Warren,
Parsing the meaning of words?
I remind people that it was simple phishing because that is what it was.
I remind people that it was the DNC and NOT the government because that is who the target was.
Those of you who are shouting that the election was hacked, want people to wrongly believe that a bunch of Russian soldiers were working day and night to hack into our government and steal sensitive information, in order to change the results of our election. That simply is not true.

“these hacks clearly influenced the election in the GOP’s favor.”

Clearly? No. Could have? Possibly, but we will never know. The ONLY thing that cannot be denied or disputed is that Clinton had a TON of baggage.

“Simply dismissing the matter as the consequence of stupidity…”

But it’s ok to do so when it comes to personal servers and classified government information? Talk about “partisan nonsense.” Sheesh.

I don’t care if the RNC, DNC, CBS, NAACP, NRA, Yahoo or those weird a$$ greens get hacked, Warren. Especially if it’s due to their own carelessness and stupidity.

“Actually, I referred to this.”

Does it state a direct link between Putin and Trump?

Posted by: kctim at March 23, 2017 5:54 PM
Comment #414615

Walter Williams, the great conservative commentator wrote this in one of his numerous articles.

“True rights exist simultaneously among people. That means the exercise of a right by one person does not impose an obligation on another.”

Show of hands please whether you agree or disagree, and why.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 23, 2017 6:04 PM
Comment #414616

RF,

The Trump campaign had no hand in writing this damaging stuff or in its release

I wouldn’t be too sure of that. Russia used American cutouts to distribute the hacked intelligence to Wikileaks and other entities. I’m not going allege that Trump’s associates are the intermediary, but it is imperative that the FBI and Congress be given the freedom and independence to verify that Trump’s campaign did not have a hand in releasing this information.


Does it fit into the “fake news” category Warren?

No, it doesn’t. The news is obsolete, not fake.

kctim,

I remind people that it was simple phishing because that is what it was.
I remind people that it was the DNC and NOT the government because that is who the target was.
Those of you who are shouting that the election was hacked, want people to wrongly believe that a bunch of Russian soldiers were working day and night to hack into our government and steal sensitive information, in order to change the results of our election. That simply is not true.

Phishing IS hacking. You are drawing a false distinction where none should exist. The idea that Russia may have directly interfered with the vote tally is a red herring concocted by the right in order to discredit Trump’s critics. Nobody is questioning that Donald Trump won a plurality of votes in the states that he won.

The election was hacked only in the sense that hacking tools were employed illegally to sway public opinion. THIS is the hacking that has everyone calling for an independent investigation.

Clearly? No. Could have? Possibly, but we will never know.
Please don’t be coy. The leaked communication clearly had a deleterious impact on the Clinton campaign.
But it’s ok to do so when it comes to personal servers and classified government information? Talk about “partisan nonsense.” Sheesh.
Now that’s not even apples and oranges comparison, you’ve entirely left the world of fruit. Allegations of stupidity in both cases were made within significantly different contexts.
Does it state a direct link between Putin and Trump?
I wasn’t referring to a proven direct link between Putin and Trump. Posted by: Warren Porter at March 23, 2017 6:20 PM
Comment #414618

“…but it is imperative that the FBI and Congress be given the freedom and independence to verify that Trump’s campaign did not have a hand in releasing this information.”

Ah, Yes Warren…prove that you are no longer beating your wife.

Just read what you wrote again Warren. Do you see the absurdity? Congress must verify that Trump’s campaign is innocent? What else must congress verify as innocent?

“No, it doesn’t. The news is obsolete, not fake.”

OK Warren, tell us; obsolete but true (or) obsolete but false? When does “fake” become obsolete?


Posted by: Royal Flush at March 23, 2017 6:35 PM
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Blaine,

Mike Morrell was a career CIA employee and was the briefer for President George W. Bush.

It never seem to matter to those on the right that numerous Republican led investigations of Benghazi have exonerated the Obama administration from the most egregious allegations including the Rice comments.

“The CIA talking points were flawed but still “painted a mostly accurate picture of the IC’s analysis of the Benghazi attacks at that time, in an unclassified form and without compromising the nascent [FBI] investigation of the attacks.” US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

Posted by: Rich at March 23, 2017 6:43 PM
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I was listening to a CNN breaking news story earlier today. Here’s my summation.

What we have here is suspicion that evidence might exist that could lead to allegations of wrongdoing involving someone yet to be identified doing something that may be illegal involving Russians and/or other unknown actors.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 23, 2017 7:57 PM
Comment #414622
prove that you are no longer beating your wife.

Well, the wife is bruised and battered. The only question is who did it? If not the husband, then someone else.

The investigation needs to determine who served as the FSB’s cutout, funnelling the proceeds of the DNC hack to wikileaks and other entities. It is my hope that the person responsible for colluding with the Russians is not one of Trump’s associates, thereby exonerating him and his administration.

OK Warren, tell us; obsolete but true (or) obsolete but false? When does “fake” become obsolete?

I think you are smart enough to figure this out by yourself. Good reporting replicates the facts as they are known at the time. Subsequent events can change knowledge regarding those facts. For instance, a newspaper article published on the morning of 9/11/2001 may have mentioned that George W. Bush was going to give a press conference regarding American Education at Emma E. Booker Elementary School. Subsequent events would have made that story obsolete.

Posted by: Warren Porter at March 23, 2017 9:19 PM
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Royal, and that’s why it’s called fake news.

Ho-hum…Rich wants to play the games. Pretending that Morrell is as much Republican as he is democrat; he worked for Bush and for Obama. He was as pure as the wind driven snow…Oh, wait a minute, wasn’t it Morrell who testified that Bush lied to the American people about WMD’s.

But I’m sure Paul and Rich are also defending the nonpartisan Obama and Clinton appointed career personnel in the FBI, CIA, or NSA that are releasing classified material in drips and drabs?

Posted by: Blaine at March 23, 2017 9:25 PM
Comment #414629

paul

“Please share with us the things Trump has accomplished that he said he would”

Are you kidding ? He’s been in office 2 months. Get a grip.

Posted by: dbs at March 24, 2017 5:45 AM
Comment #414632

dbs, welcome back, I’m simply holding Trump to what he committed to, lots of things were to happen on day 1, yes i know, he didn’t mean it “literally”. Lots of stuff was supposed to happen in the first 30 days. That deadline came and went. I personally never took it literally, that much simply can’t happen that quickly. Which is precisely my point, he came out and make wild promises about how quick he would get things done but quick doesn’t mean done properly. If the travel ban had been more carefully crafted it wouldn’t have been halted twice now. The Obamacare repeal was a hastily crafted proposal that can’t even gain consensus among the Republican controlled House (they had 6 years to figure it out), no money for the wall yet and ISIS is not defeated. There is a big difference between rhetoric and actual results and rhetoric is about the only things that there has been a lot of so far, certainly not actual accomplishments.

Posted by: Paul at March 24, 2017 10:00 AM
Comment #414635

Warren,

“Phishing IS hacking. You are drawing a false distinction where none should exist.”

No, I am doing the exact same thing you are: using the terminology that supports my beliefs of the issue. The difference is that mine is based on what actually happened so that people can come to their own conclusion, while yours is based on leading people to a conclusion that is favorable to the outcome you seek. You want people to think of Blackhat, not Office Space.

Phishing is to hacking what a$$ grabbing is to rape. But you are correct, phishing is indeed considered hacking.

“The idea that Russia may have directly interfered with the vote tally is a red herring concocted by the right in order to discredit Trump’s critics.”

So it was the right who called for recounts, not the left? Not Stein? It’s the rights fault that, according to a YouGov poll, 50 some percent of leftists believe ‘Russia tampered with vote tallies to help Donald Trump’?

“The leaked communication clearly had a deleterious impact on the Clinton campaign.”

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/20/13308108/wikileaks-podesta-hillary-clinton

So, the left spends weeks preaching about how meaningless the leaks are, but yet it’s these “multiple Clinton controversies that we’ve already known about” that did her in. Not her support for the ACA and the ridiculous prices it has people paying? Not her classified information on a personal server fiasco? Or her position on illegal aliens, or her position on the 2nd Amendment, or her dishonesty?

“Allegations of stupidity in both cases were made within significantly different contexts.”

Personal negligence was behind both cases. In both cases, the possible loss of information is why measures are taken to protect that information. In both cases, the ramifications of such a loss can be harmful.
You dismissed the matter as the consequence of stupidity for the one involving classified information and national security, but you can’t do the same for the one involving personal emails of citizens.

“I wasn’t referring to a proven direct link between Putin and Trump.”

Isn’t that the basis of article we are talking about?

“Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government.”

Posted by: kctim at March 24, 2017 11:05 AM
Comment #414636
You want people to think of Blackhat

I count at least 512 presentations at Blackhat. I don’t understand your gripe. Phishing IS Blackhat stuff. Blackhat is exactly what people should be thinking about because that is exactly what happened.

the left spends weeks preaching about how meaningless the leaks are

I’ve got shocking news for you. In the midst of a campaign, sometimes the Left will spin stories so that they minimize the possible fallout to their candidate.

You dismissed the matter as the consequence of stupidity for the one involving classified information and national security, but you can’t do the same for the one involving personal emails of citizens.

Your argument is basically boiling down to sophistry regarding multiple meanings of the word “dismiss”. Last year, I said Clinton may have made some stupid mistakes, but she didn’t break the law. Dismissing her possible legal culpability in a matter with purely hypothetical consequences has nothing to do with whether or not I dismiss the very real results of Russian interference with our electoral system.

It should go without saying, but just as I dismissed Clinton’s legal culpability before, I will similarly dismiss the legal culpability of the DNC and John Podesta here.

Isn’t that the basis of article we are talking about?
Nope, we are talking about whether the hackings was, “aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump”. This is what I replied to. Posted by: Warren Porter at March 24, 2017 11:48 AM
Comment #414640

Please share with us the things Trump has accomplished that he said he would ?

Posted by: Paul at March 22, 2017 2:45 PM

“The White House has today (March 10th) released a list of President Donald Trump’s accomplishments that he has achieved in his first 50 days.”

http://breaking911.com/first-50-days-president-trumps-accomplishments-far/

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 24, 2017 1:53 PM
Comment #414641

The things on that list i would consider accomplishments are the ones that are somewhat final and verifiable. Like withdrawing from TPP, the hiring freeze, increase of border security staff and getting the pipeline going. Those were things that he could accomplish quickly with little need to get support or votes from other. Some of the other executive orders to “start” certain initiatives won’t be measurable until months if not years from now. Effort and results are not the same, The jobs numbers stuff is very vague and he is taking full credit for job creation or preventing job losses he can’t really prove are due to his personal decisions. His main commitments though have yet to be met, no wall funding, no repeal of Obama care yet, ISIS is still alive and well and the travel ban has been struck down twice. Now most of those unfulfilled promises will be due to the house repubs who will not support building a wall on credit and who cant craft a proper obamacare repeal. But the poorly worded travel ban is either his fault of the fault of whoever wrote it and defeating ISIS will take a lot more time than he said and he knows it. As i have said over and over again, i’m fine with those policies, there is nothing wrong with enforcing borders and protecting american jobs from globalism I just think he rushing things cause he wants to put out lists like this. He knows lots of Americans have short attention spans and need catchy headlines, soundbites and simply don’t verify what they are told. He is over confident and he over committing as to the speed at which he could realistically gets those things done. I think its superficial victories at the expense of true accomplishments just so he can brag about it.

Posted by: Paul at March 24, 2017 2:58 PM
Comment #414642

Paul, I provided the link to Trump accomplishments as proof that anyone, anyone including you Paul, can get this information easily online.

I knew for certain that by providing the link I would give you an opportunity to pass judgement.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 24, 2017 3:30 PM
Comment #414645

“He is over confident and he over committing as to the speed at which he could realistically gets those things done.”

Exactly!

Posted by: Rich at March 24, 2017 7:12 PM
Comment #414647

How would you expect me to react to a list of accomplishments supposedly produced by the WH themselves and printed on breaking911.com? Not exact my “go to” site for unbiased evaluations of actual accomplishments.
Just cause someone makes a list doesn’t make everything on the list valid.

Posted by: Paul at March 24, 2017 8:42 PM
Comment #414656

Paul, my intentions for you flew right over your head. I proposed to show you how easy it is to obtain the information you sought…not provide a platform for complaint.

Get it?

Got it?

Good!

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 25, 2017 2:46 PM
Comment #414680

Meanwhile…

The Bank of Cyprus AG gave the FBI permission to review its money transfers. Ruh-roh. The Bank is notorious for being a hub of Russian money laundering. Seems Paul Manifort paid a visit to Cyprus last year. It was run by the disgraced head of Deutsche Bank. You may recall Deutsche Bank was the only bank that would lend Trump money. No American bank was willing to do it. Other share holders? Commerce Secretary Ross & the Russian oligarch who bought a residence from Trump. The house cost Trump $40 million. The oligarch paid Trump the highest price for a residence in US history, @ $100 million, without meeting Trump or seeing the place. A few years later the house was razed.

Manafort, Carter Page, and Roger Stone have all offered to testify before the House Intel Committee. Flynn has disappeared from view. There are rumors he flipped. Time to ask for amnesty in return for turning in the next one up the food chain!

And finally, a Trump surrogate with ties to the Russians, Boris Epishteyn suddenly resigned without explanation. What makes this guy so interesting is he was rumored to be (E) in the Steele Dossier, the one who brought Trump into a room for compromising sexual activities.

All of the above are coincidences, of course. No fire here! Just enormous billowing clouds of smoke.

Posted by: phx8 at March 26, 2017 3:09 PM
Comment #414692

Let me provide a computer technician’s perspective on the whole hacking debate.

Popular media, for the most part, think of hackers basically as wizards who turn coffee and keystrokes into magic effects in the real world. While there are hackers who do that, they’re kind of like cat burglars and international art thieves compared to most hackers.

Most hackers are less technical geniuses, and more just con artists operating in the new internet-enabled world. The original Guccifer, who stole Clinton’s e-mail in the first place, was not a technically proficient hacker, but good at cracking passwords through inspired guesswork. Put another way, even the best security system depends on people. I can’t tell you how many times somebody just clicked on what looked like an invoice and realized too late it was a hacked e-mail.

To put it plainly, the people who attacked the DNC, whether technically proficient or not, were criminals, committing a crime, and the Law and Order Republicans here seem unwilling to admit that a crime even took place, that whoever was behind it seemed to favor the Republicans or disfavor the Democrats proportionately, and that most of the forensic evidence points towards a state actor being behind it.

What’s with the reluctance to push further? Why won’t Republicans tell their people to create an independent investigation, to clear all this up?

Afraid of what might be found? Afraid that your good fortune might come swiftly to an end? Frustrated that people won’t simply accept that Republican majority and control is for the best, rather than insisting that the GOP had to win fair and square?

Not investigating this means the cloud continues to gather, continues to darken the prospects for the GOP. If we find out the hard way about additional compromises of national security, neither history nor the voters will be kind to the GOP.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at March 27, 2017 8:43 AM
Comment #414697

RF, sorry for the delay, i take weekends off from arguing with strangers. It didn’t fly over my head, it’s just partisan dribble. Anybody can find a list of anything on the internet, doesn’t make it true, You can go ahead and believe everything you read that supports your already made up mind. i don’t though. And i certainly don’t take everything at face value “breaking911.com” posts, its basically junk mail spun as Facts.

Posted by: Paul at March 27, 2017 10:41 AM
Comment #414699

Paul, you still don’t get it. But, who cares?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 27, 2017 4:35 PM
Comment #414700

Paul, you still don’t get it. But, who cares?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 27, 2017 4:36 PM
Comment #414701

Get what? your crappy so called research posing as factual information? you’re right i never will “get it” but as for who cares, you obviously care cause you keep coming back to comment.

Posted by: Paul at March 27, 2017 4:48 PM
Comment #414703

LOL…Paul is losing it now.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 27, 2017 5:49 PM
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