The Inaugural Speech - Does It Truly Matter What Trump Says?

Friday January 20, President Trump will address the nation, and the world. But his inaugural address is for America. Not the world. As much as the world will be watching, indeed many around the world watching uneasily because they sense their privileges and prosperity may be affected by Trump’s presidency.

What will he say?

Democrats in Congress have already begun to try and pushback (in Rick Perry's hearings) at the possibility of significant - and long overdue - cuts to government spending. Byron York has outlined a fascinating way that Trump can triangulate between his voters, GOP members of Congress, and some Democrats to achieve his agenda. Or that part of his agenda which matters to voters. David Winston of The Winston Group, writing in National Review, highlights how jobs are very much at the center of voter's concerns. Not the wall with Mexico. Yes immigration affects jobs, despite activists protests. But it's jobs first. And reforming Washington second, on most voter's agendas.

What will he say?

Ken Kachigian has a beautifully written piece in Real Clear Politics, offering advice and a broad and sweeping - but penetrating view - of why Trump astounded the media, the elites, the Democrats, the world etc. and won. He saw something in America others failed to see. And America sensed something different in Trump. Beyond the tweets and the outrage of the week. And they handed him the awesome power and responsibility of the presidency.

What will he say to them?

As Kachigian points out, Trump will be facing West - towards the country's heartland, which he traversed right till the end. Giving speech after speech as the media criticized and scorned him - writers like Byron York being the rare and thoughtful exception - as they followed Trump's campaign.

What will they say of Trump's speech?

The Washington Post's James Hohmann gives a clue to their likely reaction in the WaPo's Daily 202 Report. He speculates that any goodwill generated by Trump's inaugural speech will vanish in the wake of his first tweets as president. Hohman still doesn't get it. The tweets are a direct link to his followers and their bare-knuckle feistiness have never been a liability for Trump. Will that change once he's in the Oval Office?

So yes, the words will matter, and if Trump can share something unexpected about his life, as Kachigian brilliantly suggests, he can raise the curtain on this administration in an inspiring and deeply personal way. And leave a quote or two for posterity. But regardless of whether he does use such a rhetorical device or not, the main point is this:

Trump will be giving the inaugural speech. Not Hillary. Not any of the other GOP contenders favored by conservatives. Trump will be giving the speech. And after heading to a only a handful of balls, getting down to work.

Posted by Keeley at January 20, 2017 10:22 AM
Comments
Comment #412422

I wish to offer my heartfelt congratulations to my new President.

I promise I will be there to help if the nation needs me, but I also promise to never abandon my principles, the ideals upon which our country was founded. If necessary, I will criticize my President if I feel he is wrong, but I will make sure to laud him when I feel he is right.

Welcome to Washington, Donald Trump. You have a tough road ahead and I wish you the best of luck. You are going to need it.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 20, 2017 12:09 PM
Comment #412425

“This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.”

What the…

It is believed to be the first time an inaugural address used the word ‘carnage.’

Posted by: phx8 at January 20, 2017 2:21 PM
Comment #412430

That sounds like a fitting word to describe Obama’s presidency. In the last days of his term he acted like a child. Children leave carnage in their wake because they’re irresponsible. Yep, a fitting word to describe Obama’s presidency.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 21, 2017 3:38 PM
Comment #412431

Hook line and sinker Weary, Trump farts you start talking about perfume. Zeig Heil my friend

Posted by: j2t2 at January 21, 2017 4:25 PM
Comment #412435

It’s too bad you’ve used up all your hope and change on your false prophet, Obama.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 21, 2017 6:03 PM
Comment #412441

Query! How many of you missed entertainment by foul-mouthed, scantily clad, drug gobbling and mostly over-rated celebrities at last nights gala inauguration celebrations?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 21, 2017 6:59 PM
Comment #412450

Weary, it isn’t about me nor is it about Obama. It is about Trump creating a false narrative, in this case the “American carnage” bit and then demanding credit for doing nothing. I prefer to hold him accountable for his words and deeds. Telling the people one thing and doing another isn’t draining the swamp IMHO.

I also like to keep his uber followers reality based. After all a one party government whose leaders inauguration speech, in part, mimics the speech of the Dark Night Rises villain Bane when he said “We take Gotham from the corrupt! The rich! The oppressors of generations who have kept you down with myths of opportunity. And we give it to you, the people.” gives one cause to worry if his actions do not correspond to his words…. right?

Posted by: j2t2 at January 21, 2017 8:29 PM
Comment #412451

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: You want to unite people, you want to reassure those who think you’re some kind of out-of-control radical? Do you want people to see you as a beacon of hope, rather than a scaremongerer? Do you want people to stop thinking you’re some kind of racist or demagogue… then your words matter!

This strategy to me just seems like a desperate attempt to avoid accountability for a President unwilling to shut up even when it’s for his own good.

Oh, and Royal Flush… before you start criticizing overrated, foul-mouthed celebrities, especially foul-mouthed ones with loose morals, remember you elected one. Your first lady was a nude model in a photoshoot. Your party only says its moral, it no longer follows through in any recognizable form, except to try and intrude into other’s private lives where they are not wanted nor needed.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at January 21, 2017 8:38 PM
Comment #412452

Here we go again from the left, Hold the right accountable but give themselves a pass.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 21, 2017 8:40 PM
Comment #412454

Stephen, You forget Slick Willy was a womanizer as was JFK as was a few other Democrats. I suggest you look at your side before you start spouting off about morals.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 21, 2017 9:01 PM
Comment #412458

KAP,

SD doesn’t seem to have a problem with Trump’s immoral behavior. He just points out RF’s hypocrisy for criticizing the immorality of particular Leftist celebrities.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 21, 2017 9:26 PM
Comment #412460

Warped, The point I’m making is that immoral behavior is on both sides, but most people look up to those Hollywood celebrities and a good bit of them have been naked in front of millions. The point is those immoral celebrities choose not to perform at the festivities because they thought Trump was immoral, or they reject his policies.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 21, 2017 9:43 PM
Comment #412462

KAP it is worse than that, IMHO. Many on the left see the rise of Trump as the second coming of Fascism especially with the repubs holding all the reins of the federal government and most of the reins of state and local government. A democracy with only one party isn’t a democracy and no one really wants to be remembered as one who helped usher in this new world order. Hell the last time the repubs/conservatives held this much power it started the great depression and ultimately WWII.

All of this gibberish about morals is laughable IMHO , comparing “a good bit of them have been naked in front of millions” to the greed of many wealthy elites and their politicians isn’t a very good comparison IMHO.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 22, 2017 3:23 AM
Comment #412463

The sad part of this whole mess is Trump was the best of the bunch, if he fails it is only a matter of time before Pence takes over and IMHO he will be worse than Trump. So all you Trump supporters really need to step up to the plate and keep his ego riding high and the bus on the road. I mean cabinet members with serious conflicts of interests get a free pass from conservatives!

Seems he is trying to make crap up because turn out was low on Friday and people are skittish now that we have a one party government. IMHO you guys that voted for him have got to calm him down and tell him to lead, like Obama did, instead of dragging himself into pi**ing contest with the media and every other dictator that wants to bust his chops. It is embarrassing to watch. He makes China’s politicians look more intelligent than him with his lame tweets. He cuts embassy staff, causing families to change schools mid year while leaving his own in NYC!

I can remember when the shoe was on the other foot and the way many of the same guys who are whining, about Trump getting his feathers ruffled, now were doing the same to Obama. Of course the difference between the two was in the response to the noise. To Obama it was water off a ducks back, he handles it well and you guys criticized him for being weak. But if what Trump is doing is considered strong they you guys are fools. Handpicking the press coverage at the WH, Zeig Heil.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 22, 2017 4:10 AM
Comment #412466

j2, You and others said the same about Bush 43 yet you are still here to say that about Trump. You talk about the greed of wealthy elites you have them in your own party. Yep here we go again with the Democrats good Republicans bad BULLS**T again.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 22, 2017 10:22 AM
Comment #412467

KAP just trying to help you understand what many on the left are thinking about Trump and the one party government. Can you read the part back to me where you thought I said Dems good repubs bad? I’m not seeing it.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 22, 2017 10:45 AM
Comment #412469

IMHO KAP you are practicing the latest in repub technology “alternative facts”, maybe if this trend…. yeah like this is new stuff for the rightist……continues the whole right wing will be considered the alt right..lol…in the post truth or Trump era anything is possible.

Seriously though you guys have got to get a handle on the Trumpster before he sprouts wings and flys to close to the sun. He is our president and it is time to lead not tweet nor present alternative facts or get butt hurt over how many people showed up at his party. He needs to become presidential and lead the country not pick on the press for reporting facts and news as they have done for every other president. Stop with the BS myths misinformation half truths and outright lies, he is losing the respect of the people who voted for him.

It does truly matter what he says.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 22, 2017 11:24 AM
Comment #412472

OK j2 I get the fact you don’t like Republicans and especially Trump. Yes he is a loud mouth and says things off the cuff I’ll give you that, but the guy just took office and already you call him Hitler? It matters what he says and it matters on actions of the opposite side and their words. Do you think calling him Hitler is going to win votes for your side? Do you think the violence by those on your side prior to the inauguration is acceptable? Do you think Madonna’s “I thought about blowing up the W.H. many times” is acceptable? Your right j2 words matter and you and your side are just as guilty as Trump?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 22, 2017 12:11 PM
Comment #412483

KAP exaggerate much? I didn’t call him Hitler. He presents as an authoritarian IMHO and that should be acknowledged. It appears as if many on the right cannot accept this, so I take it upon myself to remind them once in a while.

If you had bothered to read what I have been asking, you would have noticed I am supporting Trump. I’m calling on conservatives/repubs and other supporters to ask him to lead the country. He hasn’t proven himself to be able to lead and things are looking bad. As part of the opposition I doubt he will listen to me. But as I said it is in our best interest to keep him as president and leave Pence as VP.

I worry that principled conservatives, all three of them, will revolt if Trump keeps up his 7th grade antics. The WH has put out lies and “alternative facts”, KAP, over how many people showed up at his inauguration. Do you realize how bad that looks? The man is lowering the bar to the point Macho Camacho looks like a better choice. How long before conservatives in Congress pulls the plug on him?

You do a disservice to the country KAP with your nonsensical comparison of Madonna and Trump, my god man he is the president now not a reality star going for ratings. Blaming the left for his words and deeds is just silly he is the leader and as such should be above the fray. Obama did it despite being burned in effigy, degraded and criticized by you guys….and Trump the birther.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 22, 2017 2:45 PM
Comment #412485

j2, ZEIG HEIL, FACISM, Gee I wonder who that reminds me of? Could it be Hitler? As far as Madonna goes those words were her words at yesterdays gathering, I thought about blowing up the W.H. IMO it is a threat on the President just like the ones when Obama took office. As far as Press Sec. goes they are paid liers for the President they say what he wants them to say even Obama had a couple of them. Could of fooled me on your support, but hey I agree got to give him a chance.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 22, 2017 3:08 PM
Comment #412492
ZEIG HEIL, FACISM, Gee I wonder who that reminds me of?

Hopefully it says Authoritarianism KAP. Hopefully you wonder why the neofascist right is so happy about the Trump presidency. Hopefully you will notice what is done not what is said by our one party government.

As far as Madonna goes those words were her words at yesterdays gathering, I thought about blowing up the W.H. IMO it is a threat on the President just like the ones when Obama took office.

To darned bad she said it in a speech in front of so many people at a public event, The conservative propaganda machine could have twisted it into a terrorist threat and interred her at Guantanamo. Somehow this and burning Obama in effigy seems more of a false equivalence that passes for rational thought on the right today.

they are paid liers for the President they say what he wants them to say even Obama had a couple of them.

But but but Trump was draining the swamp, not a professional politician yet he needs the paid liar and directs the paid liar to lie and you are fine with that!! Funny how quickly we get to business as normal isn’t it? Not so funny is we fall for it after promises to the contrary when our boy is in office.

KAP Trump is in office, the alternative is Pence and who McConnell? If Trump sticks to his promises, stop the authoritarian stuff and stops conservatives from pillaging Medicare/medicaid and SS and going to far back on progress then he will be a better choice than a guy like Pence IMHO. So yes I support him but I think if he keeps acting like a fool instead of a president conservatives will impeachment him. So that is why I implore you guys, his followers, to set him straight.

I’m sad to see the best source of truth in the country will fall victim to Trump and his ilk, NPR is the best of the bunch and we have to wonder why they are so intent on getting rid of it.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 22, 2017 4:36 PM
Comment #412493

j2, If he acts like a fool I will be one of the first to call him on it. Give him a couple months and then start the bashing.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 22, 2017 4:44 PM
Comment #412502

Hollow words KAP, you speak hollow words because you haven’t called him on anything yet. “If he acts like a fool”, my god man what does it take to hit this standard? Isn’t sending our his paid liar to lie acting the fool? When the issue is the size of the crowd and the president is worried enough about it to carry on a foolish argument doesn’t that qualify? I mean he is paying his liar to lie about the size of the crowd!! Shouldn’t he be paying his paid liar to lie to us about something of some scope, some magnitude, like “no really we aren’t going to touch social security” instead of “our crowd was bigger than your crowd”?

“Give him a couple of months”!!! Why KAP would you ever say something like this. Did you give the last administration a couple of months? Why should someone who hires a liar to lie for him be entitled to a free pass to lie for a couple of months longer? Can’t wait to hear the logic of this.

KAP do you really think Koch Bros and their compadres are going to give Trump “a couple of months” of foolishness before they direct their Congress to pull the plug?

Posted by: j2t2 at January 22, 2017 6:55 PM
Comment #412504

j2, I didn’t vote for Trump or Hillary or Obama either. Yes I did give Obama a couple months before I trashed him and I will give Trump that same time. Obama’s Press Sec. were paid liers just like all the rest of the Press Sec. They are paid to protect the president and spin to make him look good in front of the press. I don’t gauge a president on his promises during the campaign because usually they are just that promises that are never kept anyway. Press Sec. are there to spin, dodge, and lie if necessary.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 22, 2017 7:26 PM
Comment #412508

Well KAP it is easy to see why the bar is so low in this country. When the voters allow such a low level of expectation the politicians oblige and we pay the price with just this type of politician. Telling them it is ok to promise anything cause you will not expect them to follow up on what they say, what more could they ask for, other than contributions. Well they could ask you to attend their inauguration and to make excuses for them for their bad behavior, which it seems you do without question. Why would you think you have any right to complain “a couple of months from now” when it is you helping to set the bar so low?

Posted by: j2t2 at January 22, 2017 11:12 PM
Comment #412512

Riots and so-called protests in response to the election of someone not promising more leftist policy.
Labeling all who do not support leftist policy as racists, sexists, bigots etc…
Threats and actual violence towards those who did not vote for the left-wing candidate.
Demands to change our type of government and its election process.
Fake news promoting a meaningless popular vote.
Far left-wing politicians questioning the President elects legitimacy and refusing to respect the wishes of its citizens, our nations form of government and, its peaceful transfer of power.

No, it truly didn’t matter what Trump said in his speech, the leftists minds were already made up long ago, and their hostile actions in response to a pretty tame speech calling for putting America and its people first, guarantees further division.

Posted by: kctim at January 23, 2017 10:37 AM
Comment #412513

j2, Why would I complain about a guy I didn’t vote for? There is only one thing I can do is see how he does for awhile. I gave Obama, who I also didn’t vote for the same courtesy I’m giving Trump. As far as promises go, I don’t think any politician can keep all the promises he makes during his campaign.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 23, 2017 10:56 AM
Comment #412516
Why would I complain about a guy I didn’t vote for?

You tell me, you have been complaining about Obama the past 8 years and didn’t vote for him….

As far as promises go, I don’t think any politician can keep all the promises he makes during his campaign.

Yet we vote for candidates based upon what they say during the campaign. Admitting you have low expectations for Trump yet defending his words and deeds every time you can seems to have put you into a position we would think of as hypocrisy KAP, seein you thought Obama should live up ti all of his campaign promises. Seems to me the babbling in this thread is a 180 degree from your words during the Obama administration.

Kctim, are you suggesting people with differing positions from that of the president shouldn’t protest? Your accusations ring of myth misinformation half truths and outright lies not really worthy of much thought.

You seem surprised that those that disagree with Trump listened to and believed him while on the campaign trail, are you suggesting it was all lies? Yet you would say believe him now, simply because he has said “put America first”. Come on kctim, you are better than that, don’t sink to the lower standards conservatives have set for Trump.

I am surprised you have fallen into the fake news trap so easily. Using it to defend Trump while allowing his, what did KAP call them oh yeah …,paid liars to use “alternative facts”. That rates a 5 of 5 Zeig Heils IMHO.

Lets keep in mind whilst you disparage politicians for boycotting the inauguration that it seems Trump and his WH staff also question the legitimacy of his administration. I’m judging by how far they will go to keep the ego of Trump fed over the relatively small crowd at his inauguration. Lies, “alternative facts”, and a huge amount of time spent on this issue, all because he, meaning Trump, exaggerated to begin with on such a trivial issue.

Kinda like your statement “refusing to respect the wishes of its citizens”. Lets remember, while you guys continue to think you have some mandate, the popular vote alone says you don’t. IMHO the vote is the voice of it’s citizen and you seem to be confused on what was said by the voice of the citizen.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 23, 2017 12:05 PM
Comment #412517
in response to the election of someone not promising more leftist policy.

Do you honestly believe there would be the same fury if Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio had taken the oath of office three days ago?

There’s something uniquely rotten about Trump not shared by other conservatives. The undertone of his entire campaign was the restoration/protection of White Privilege. That’s what I hear when his inaugural speech promises to return power from Washington to the people.

I ask myself, “In what way did people not have power before Trump”? Both Obama and Congress were both duly elected and each has done his/its best to represent its respective constituents. The only change in power dynamic over the past eight years has been the steady erosion of White Privilege. Lots of police departments are training their officers to counter implicit bias in encounters with citizens as a result of BLM’s hard work. Businesses are hiring immigrant workers when native born whites lack necessary skills. Obama’s diverse cabinet gave many role models to inspire little boys and girls of all colors. Global poverty is at its lowest point in all of human history. I could go on, but I digress.

KAP,

There is only one thing I can do is see how he does for awhile. I gave Obama, who I also didn’t vote for the same courtesy I’m giving Trump.

All I can say is that Republicans did not extend Obama this courtesy. They opposed the American Reconstruction and Reinvestment Act reflexively on day 1. This was in spite of the concession from Democrats that a third of the bill’s spending consisted of tax breaks. Rush Limbaugh announced on his radio program on January 20, 2009: “I Hope Obama Fails”. Scarcely a few months later, Jim DeMint promised to make health care reform “Obama’s Waterloo”.

I disagree with these sentiments. I hope Trump succeeds in his goals of reducing crime, increasing GDP growth and raising the LFPR. I just don’t think there is much he can do to improve those measures over what Obama has already done. Instead, I fear Trump’s policies will be counterproductive, making things worse than they already are.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 23, 2017 12:08 PM
Comment #412519

j2, I gave Obama a chance, his ACA was a disaster along with his foreign policy and domestic policy. Most of the people on your side complained about Bush for 8 years. I guarantee if Trump F***’s up you will see me complaining on this blog.
Warped, I’m not a republican, I am a conservative, I do not totally agree with either side. There are things that both sides bring out that are good ideas and I vote accordingly not if the person has a D, R, I, after their name.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 23, 2017 12:52 PM
Comment #412521

J2,
Leftists are ‘protesting’ only the hyperbole they have created, not anything that has actually been done.
If you do not know the difference between legitimate protests and what has been going on since Trump was elected, then I’m not sure what else can be said.

Inaccurately promoting the meaningless popular vote totals as if they prove something, is fake news.

“IMHO the vote is the voice of it’s citizen and you seem to be confused on what was said by the voice of the citizen.”

I am not the least bit confused.
1. The candidates ran their campaigns to win the electoral vote, not the popular vote.
2. A fair representation of the popular vote can only be had with two candidates, not four or five.
3. Republicans and Libertarians (right-wing) received more votes than liberals and greens (left-wing).

By your logic, the wishes of the citizens is for right-wing government.

I’m not big on this whole ‘mandate’ thing. We as a nation are pretty much split right down the middle and, as I said with President Obama, I think they should tread with respect and understanding.
But, seeing how the left ignored the right over the last eight years, and the fact that the right now runs almost everything from state to federal, you guys are probably going to get a good taste of your own medicine.

The turnout numbers have absolutely nothing to do with government so I couldn’t care any less about them.

Posted by: kctim at January 23, 2017 1:02 PM
Comment #412525

Warren,
IF Bush or Rubio had ran on border security, national security, taxes, and against all the social justice nonsense, they would have incurred the same immature wrath Trump is facing.

The ‘white privilege’ nonsense is getting old and falling back on it to excuse away Trumps victory only shows that you truly have no idea why people chose Trump over Clinton.
It had nothing to do with retaining some imaginative ‘privilege’ or ‘fear of others.’

‘Return power from Washington to the people’ is a line that has been used many times before. For you to grasp at this one instance as some kind of proof of an evil whitey plot, is baseless hyperbole.

Hate to break it to Warren, but the left’s identity politics failed them BIG this time, and things aren’t going to get any better if they don’t stop being so divisive.

Posted by: kctim at January 23, 2017 1:49 PM
Comment #412526

Warren writes; “The undertone of his entire campaign was the restoration/protection of White Privilege. That’s what I hear when his inaugural speech promises to return power from Washington to the people.”

It is amusing to watch the Left turn easily understood words into racist declarations. We understand why they do this of course. The remaining two blocks of voters remaining secure in the Democrat tent are women and blacks. We expect to watch them continue to spin everything done by Trump and congress to reflect its effect of their voting block. That’s really OK with me as this type of meaningless characterization has lost them many democrat votes and gained many independent votes for Republicans.

Warren writes; “I just don’t think there is much he can do to improve those measures (crime, GDP and LFPR) over what Obama has already done.”

Of course you don’t Warren, and neither do millions of other Libbies. Well duh; perhaps you have hit on the primary reason Hillary, promising to be Obama’s third term, was denied a win. She had no idea how to improve the three areas you mentioned either.

There is a commonality of political theory among Democrats over time. Identify a problem for someone or some group, determine that it is a problem that can only be handled by government (it will attract votes), throw money at it, and walk away to find another (cause) problem.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 23, 2017 2:33 PM
Comment #412536
I gave Obama a chance, his ACA was a disaster along with his foreign policy and domestic policy.
KAP, Give me a break, you sound like 2016 ended with a massive recession and our military deployed in an endless war. For the record, that was how 2008 came to an end. By nearly every objective measure, things have improved significantly under Obama. If you believe things have been a disaster, then you certainly never gave Obama a chance.

kctim,

IF Bush or Rubio had ran on border security, national security, taxes, and against all the social justice nonsense, they would have incurred the same immature wrath Trump is facing.

Those are all very different things from “not promising more leftist policy”.

‘Return power from Washington to the people’ is a line that has been used many times before
Yes, but always in the context that the previous administration was unusually corrupt or unusually unpopular with the people. Neither of those attributes applies to Obama though, so an alternative explanation is needed.
the left’s identity politics failed them BIG this time
I marched on Saturday with Men & Women of all races, religions and backgrounds. Identity politics is no longer relevant for the Left. Unfortunately, its mantle has been taken up by Trump and the Republicans. White identity politics now rules the day.

RF,

Of course you don’t Warren, and neither do millions of other Libbies. Well duh; perhaps you have hit on the primary reason Hillary, promising to be Obama’s third term, was denied a win. She had no idea how to improve the three areas you mentioned either.

I propose a gentleman’s bet: we each make predictions regarding the LFPR, GDP growth and nationwide homicide rate for the next 4 years. Will you play with me?

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 23, 2017 3:57 PM
Comment #412538

Will you play with me?
Posted by: Warren Porter at January 23, 2017 3:57 PM

Of course I will Warren. We are betting on our expectations based upon what we believe. It will be difficult to measure “crime” as it is defined in so many different ways.

I expect felonious “crime” nationally to be lower.

I expect our GDP to be higher

I expect our LFPR to be higher.

With your youthful memory and penchant for record
keeping Warren I will ask you to be the scorekeeper.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 23, 2017 4:13 PM
Comment #412539

Warped, Insurance rates have constantly gone up under the ACA along with co pays and deductibles, If you think that is something good you are delusional. 95 million out of the work force, 12 million more on food stamps, wages stagnant, if dependence of government is good domestic policy? I won’t even get into the foreign policy of Obama because I’d be writing a book on the failures.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 23, 2017 4:17 PM
Comment #412540

I found this very interesting. I had not considered measuring approval rating like this.


47.9%: Obama Had Lower Average Approval Rating Than Nixon or Bush

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/479-obama-had-lower-average-approval-rating-nixon-or-bush

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 23, 2017 4:45 PM
Comment #412542

Fact appears to opposed to common belief again. This poll was a real surprise to me.

“An IGS-UC Berkeley poll shows that 74 percent of Californians want sanctuary cities ended; 65 percent of Hispanics, 70 percent of independents, 73 percent of Democrats and 82 percent of Republicans. Recognizing strong public concern, California’s law enforcement organizations should speak out against being restricted from cooperating with federal authorities, and demand compliance to make our communities safer.”

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/sd-utbg-sanctuary-cities-opposition-20170120-story.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 23, 2017 4:53 PM
Comment #412545

Warren,

“Those are all very different things from “not promising more leftist policy”.”

Lax border security, rewarding illegal aliens, sanctuary cities, are all policies leftists have been promoting. Pretending there is no difference between illegal aliens and legal immigrants, and labeling all who disagree as racists, is SOP.
Trump ran on securing our border, punishing illegal aliens, clamping down on sanctuary cities, and making a clear distinction between legal and illegal.

Protecting our borders, thoroughly vetting new immigrants, banning entry to immigrants from certain parts of the world, are all things we have done in the past. Leftist policy says that is now hatred.
Trump ran on vetting new immigrants and banning immigration from select regions.

Leftist policy dictates freedom FROM religion, not freedom OF religion. It dictates special treatment for one group but not another. It dictates that our police are inherently racist. That not supporting the ACA was racist and hatred. That our country is not exceptional, and overt love of country was racist nationalism.
Trump ran on freedom OF religion, equal not special treatment, that our police are to be respected. That the ACA was a failure. That our country is exceptional.

Trump ran as the exact opposite of leftist policy.

“Neither of those attributes applies to Obama though, so an alternative explanation is needed.”

Stop relying on a biased media and silly polls that have been proven to be wrong over and over, Warren. Obama, his policy and his actions were absolutely ‘unusually unpopular’ with many many Americans.
Him and his supporters spent 8 years blaming his failures on the previous administration and political opposition. He rushed through the ACA before an election he knew there was a possibility he would lose. He picked sides in racial matters, and blamed racism when it was not warranted. He favored strict ant 2nd Amendment gun control. He embraced all the social justice nuttery that has greatly damaged the country.

If the left would stop blaming the rejection of their policies on racism, sexism, hatred, xenophobia etc…, they could see that.

“Identity politics is no longer relevant for the Left.”

Sorry Warren, but all those marches were based on the exclusive political alliances that the left has created for its benefit, and all the standard ones were there.

“Unfortunately, its mantle has been taken up by Trump and the Republicans. White identity politics now rules the day.”

BS.
Neither Trump nor the Republicans claim to work only for white males.
Their refusal to pander to the same groups the left creates, in the exact same way the left demands, does not mean they are only for the evil white man.

Posted by: kctim at January 23, 2017 5:56 PM
Comment #412552
A fair representation of the popular vote can only be had with two candidates, not four or five.

SO kctim, what is the logic behind this statement?

Trump is doubling down on his fake news claim of voter fraud being the reason he lost the popular vote.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 24, 2017 2:52 PM
Comment #412554

J2,
A true majority can only be fairly established when there is only one clear winner and one clear loser.

I could care less why Trump thinks he lost the popular vote.
I do however find it very funny that the ONLY way to prove him wrong is by checking Voter ID.

Posted by: kctim at January 24, 2017 3:39 PM
Comment #412577
I do however find it very funny that the ONLY way to prove him wrong is by checking Voter ID. Posted by: kctim at January 24, 2017 3:39 PM

Yep he is using the lie to create a crisis and then take action on the “crisis” . Cementing one party rule for decades to come, definitely 5 Zeig Heils for that one.

Fair? Perhaps but the fact is, just like the electoral college, the losing candidate won by close to 3 million votes. Comparing this to past elections when the same set of data exists show us Trump has no mandate. What he does have is a means to kick up the voter suppression lies a notch.

What is laughable is how conservatives do not see this as a threat to liberty. They use the old “it’s not fascism when we do it” line to justify their attacks on the American people.

When you think about this lie, or should we use the “alternative facts” line of BS, it shows us Trump who deluded himself into believing Obama was born in Kenya is now deluding himself into believing he didn’t lose the popular vote.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 25, 2017 12:10 PM
Comment #412579

Actually J2, Voter ID is only a reaction to the left’s unwillingness to compromise on less stringent voting requirements. All Trump is doing is using the results of their inaction to his advantage. It really is quite funny.

RE the election: The fact is that the losing candidate won absolutely nothing. Sure, she received more votes than 3 or 4 other people, but her politics lost all across the board.

RE a mandate: I think a President should take into account that they are supposed to represent all Americans and it would probably be best if they governed in a pretty moderate fashion. Especially with a nation that has been so purposely divided as ours has been over the past decade. But, after eight years of a President choosing to represent only his supporters, and with the power that voters have now given Republicans, you guys might just be getting a taste of your own medicine now. LOL.

There has been no “threat to liberty,” “fascism,” or “attacks on the American people” in the few days that Trump has been President, J2. You really do need some new material.

“deluding himself into believing he didn’t lose the popular vote”

I really couldn’t care less what he believes about the popular vote, how many people watched his inauguration, or how he decorates his office. Nothing but mindless, pointless partisan drivel.

Posted by: kctim at January 25, 2017 1:49 PM
Comment #412580

j2t2, it’s really weird how you can keep regurgitating manufactured (fake) facts like the “it shows us Trump who deluded himself into believing Obama was born in Kenya” line.

I don’t think you are on the level of “I can see Russia from my house”, but perhaps you’ve only heard one side of the Kenya thing and that’s what you choose to believe.

Trump didn’t bring that issue up, Hillbilly did. Obama’s book publicist did. Obama did when he allowed the book to be published. Obama never corrected it. He payed lawyers to keep his education records silent. The media shielded him from scrutiny. Obama and Hillbilly brought up the birther issue. You’re simply projecting it all onto Trump. Trump got Obama to produce a birth certificate to dispel the birther issue, not promote it.

I’m surprised you don’t know that, j2t2, or are you ignoring it?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 25, 2017 3:45 PM
Comment #412587
Actually J2, Voter ID is only a reaction to the left’s unwillingness to compromise on less stringent voting requirements. All Trump is doing is using the results of their inaction to his advantage. It really is quite funny.

Oh puleeze kctim, enlighten us with your alternative facts on this one.

I really couldn’t care less what he believes about the popular vote, how many people watched his inauguration, or how he decorates his office. Nothing but mindless, pointless partisan drivel.

That is the problem, you couldn’t care less when Trump goes on a bullying rant over mindless pointless partisan drivel kctim. This is his drivel he keeps trying to force on the American people, lies and forces his staff to lie until the dumbed down hear it enough to believe it is true. Whether it is the popular vote , or the media is at fault, or the size of the crowd on 20 Jan.. The problem is the dumbed down then use it to fake a crisis and further suppress the vote, whilst ensuring one party rule for the foreseeable future.

Now that we are past your deflections when are we going to get some real information from you to support your “A true majority can only be fairly established when there is only one clear winner and one clear loser” assertions? Or is that just some drivel you used to deflect from Trumps insanity.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 26, 2017 12:11 PM
Comment #412588
Trump didn’t bring that issue up, Hillbilly did.

Weary, really!!! SO what gives Trump the right to become a birther for what 6 years because Hillary brought it up in a campaign and it was shot down.

You seem to think Trump didn’t wrestle this lie from some political operatives, run with it as he sought to make it his own and then brag about his progress years later.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 26, 2017 12:15 PM
Comment #412589

So rating time,

kctim, I rate this last comment of yours 3 Zeig Heils for advancing the cause of Trump.

Weary you did good, total nonsense to deflect from Trump 4 Zeig Heils for this one.

Trump 6 Zeig Heils just for his ability to get you guys into the total acceptance mode so easily. The programming is working on the right wing and Trump should be proud that lies and alternative facts are suddenly so acceptable to you guys.


Time for you guys to read this.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 26, 2017 12:25 PM
Comment #412591

j2t2 apparently is an avid reader of Nazi history and can even anticipate awards they would give to deserving individuals.

He understands their political thinking and obviously has great respect for them as he uses much of their symbolic language in his attempt to denigrate others and promote hate between Americans.

Perhaps some day our Leftie Pal will pay as much attention to American history and our founding documents of liberty and individual freedom.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 26, 2017 1:48 PM
Comment #412594

Alternative facts? Man J2, when you get a new talking-point you really eat it up, LOL!

It is a fact that the left is against Voter ID and most other measures to protect the integrity of our voting process. Any responsibility or inconvenience placed upon the voter is called ‘suppression.’
Well, the problem with that is that it leaves you with no means to prove that ALL votes were legal and that has left the door wide open for the kind of doubts, questions and assumptions that Trump is making.
Trump is using the left’s inability to prove there were no illegal votes, to negate the lefts claims that voters really wanted Hillary and left-wing policy.

“when are we going to get some real information from you to support your “A true majority can only be fairly established when there is only one clear winner and one clear loser” assertions?”

Two choices require an either or decision and leave no room for assumption, J2. You know exactly where somebody stands. Even the Nader and Johnson voters.

Posted by: kctim at January 26, 2017 2:34 PM
Comment #412602

When’s the last time we had a true majority?

Based on what I’ve learned about history predating my existence, I’d say we had a true majority right up until Kennedy got his brains blown out.

It’s been pretty much downhill since then. Some people say he was killed because he wasn’t going to war in Vietnam. Some say he was killed because he was going to relieve the Federal Reserve of it’s monopoly on our currency. We can all rest assured it wasn’t a spurned lover or a jealous boyfriend. What ever the reason, we can now, without a doubt, believe the media wrote and enforced whatever the media wanted to write and enforce to shape our recollection of that history. If the media has fake news now, why couldn’t it have had fake news then? There was no internet to challenge it.

I’m not saying everything went to crap all at once. The softest water will erode the hardest rock over time.

When you let the federal government into your wallet (16th amendment) and into your state (17th amendment), it’s going to take advantage of it. The federal government has a gun, a gun we gave it, to the head of every individual in this country. That gun is the 16th amendment. We’ll never be a free people until the 16th amendment is repealed. We can all quibble about symptoms of the 16th amendment until we’re all blue in the face. It won’t solve the problem of an excessive and overbearing federal government siphoning off and standing in the way of true American potential.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 26, 2017 6:26 PM
Comment #412608
He understands their political thinking and obviously has great respect for them as he uses much of their symbolic language in his attempt to denigrate others and promote hate between Americans.

Using the Zeig Heil rating system to call out conservatives seems appropriate at this stage in our history Royal. It is meant to enlighten and inform those caught up in the propaganda of the conservative movement. I’m sorry you feel that shining a light on the subject leads to hate but if you ask me the hate is already there, shining the light only puts in out in the open.

Perhaps some day our Leftie Pal will pay as much attention to American history and our founding documents of liberty and individual freedom.

And this is exactly why it is so timely Royal. You and many conservatives hide behind the American flag shouting liberty and freedom, but not liberty and justice for all just the landed gentry. Perhaps instead of criticizing the messenger you will prove me wrong on the ratings, I am hoping Trump will but the movement is bigger than him.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 27, 2017 9:51 AM
Comment #412609
Alternative facts? Man J2, when you get a new talking-point you really eat it up, LOL!

You gotta admit kctim Kellyanne Conway and her description of lies puts a smiley face on the lie and it makes the discussion a bit more polite. Because you use these “alternative facts” so often and I respond accordingly I find it LOL funny that you choose to criticize me for calling attention to the “alternative fact”.

It is a fact that the left is against Voter ID and most other measures to protect the integrity of our voting process. Any responsibility or inconvenience placed upon the voter is called ‘suppression.’

Well I could say … here we go again kctim using alternative facts but let me rewrite your statement instead. “It is a fact that the left is against Voter ID and most other measures to prohibit the voter because the intention is to suppress the vote not to protect the integrity of our voting process.”

Well, the problem with that is that it leaves you with no means to prove that ALL votes were legal and that has left the door wide open for the kind of doubts, questions and assumptions that Trump is making.

Putting restrictions in the path of voters doesn’t solve the problem either kctim, the almost nonexistent problem you tell us you are trying to solve with the suppression laws. The conservative ALEC laws are meant to suppress the vote to ensure one party rule, that was the plan from day one ask any conservative movement leader.

Trump is using the left’s inability to prove there were no illegal votes,…

Alternative facts why oh why if you don’t like that name do you use them so much? Why don’t the conservatives prove there is a problem instead of asking the opposition to prove a negative?

Posted by: j2t2 at January 27, 2017 10:08 AM
Comment #412610

J2,
The leftists have been bringing up those ‘14 Defining…’ talking-points over and over again for a while now, and as come to be expected from the left, they are nothing more than an attack on America, its form of Constitutional government, and its people.

Unfortunately, I LOVE discussing leftist hypocrisy, so:

1. Patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia have been around since our founding. We are and always have been a proud, patriotic nation. The real Democrats of the past, and the few of them remaining today, also embraced that patriotism.
The leftists success in demonizing patriotism is sickening.
2. Innocent Americans are NOT tortured, assassinated or thrown in prison forever.
3. The need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe? Like white privilege? Conservative Christians? Constitutionalists? NRA members? Funny how you guys always fail to mention that the majority of those targeted and attacked over the past decades have been those who disagree with left-wing policy.
4. We’ve reached for military supremacy since WWII. To claim that NOW it is a sign of fascism is beyond ridiculous.
5. Does not exist in the US.
6. Controlled Mass Media? The vast majority of our MSM threw all integrity out the window, was clearly sympathetic to one candidate, and then blatantly supported her election. They will carry that same agenda through the next 4 years. But you think Trump is controlling them? BS
7. Common sense laws and procedures, which are already on the books and which have been used in the past, is not an “Obsession with National Security.”
8. The right to freely exercise one’s religion does not mean our government is intertwined with religion.
9. Been that way for many many decades now and you still don’t live under a fascist government.
10. Laws and regulations have minimized the need for unions.
11. Disagreeing with biased and divisive indoctrination is NOT disdain for “Intellectuals and the Arts.”
12. There is no national police force and our police do not have limitless power. FFS.
13. Same as #9.
14. Not even close.

Does our government have way to much power over the individual? No doubt.
Does our government grow more powerful and controlling with each passing year? YES.
But as long as you embrace it when leftists are doing it, and only condemn it when they are not, nobody is going to take you seriously.

Posted by: kctim at January 27, 2017 10:39 AM
Comment #412611

“Because you use these “alternative facts” so often and I respond accordingly I find it LOL funny that you choose to criticize me”

That is because I have asked you many many times to use facts, NOT YOUR OPINIONS, to prove me wrong and you are unable to do so.

““It is a fact that the left is against Voter ID and most other measures to prohibit the voter because the intention is to suppress the vote not to protect the integrity of our voting process.”

Sigh. No, J2.
It is your OPINION that personal responsibility for ones own vote somehow ‘prohibits’ them from voting. It is your OPINION that the intention is to ‘suppress’ votes.
You grab hold of a comment and dishonestly attribute it to EVERYTHING that you don’t agree with.

“Putting restrictions in the path of voters doesn’t solve the problem either”

I never said it did, J2. In fact, I have stated numerous times that I am not a supporter of things that ACTUALLY restrict votes.

“the almost nonexistent problem you tell us you are trying to solve with the suppression laws.”

Once again, sigh.
Without a way to verify ALL votes are legal, there is no way to determine just how little, or how big, the problem may be. All that I said was that Trump is taking advantage of that.

“Alternative facts why oh why if you don’t like that name do you use them so much?”

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

How is that an ‘alternative fact?’

“Why don’t the conservatives prove there is a problem instead of asking the opposition to prove a negative?”

Because you HAVE to call it an “almost nonexistent problem” and all you want to do is scream hate and conspiracy theory to try and ignore it.

Posted by: kctim at January 27, 2017 11:10 AM
Comment #412613

j2t2 provides another great laugh by writing; “Perhaps instead of criticizing the messenger you will prove me wrong on the ratings…”

The messenger’s message is a “Zeig Heil rating system” designed by himself, twisted to ascribe Nazi tenets to President Trump, designed to induce hatred among Americans, and to aggrandize the writer as a sane political analyst.

The laugh ensues when this supposed “thinker” asks me to prove his twisted Nazi thinking is wrong…as though he actually thinks I care that he belongs to a minuscule swastika-loving bunch of haters.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 27, 2017 3:05 PM
Comment #412614

Do you think j2t2 knows he’s instigating the hatred being portrayed by left against Trump?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 27, 2017 3:58 PM
Comment #412615

Yes Weary, I do think that. I enjoy rough and tumble political discourse. And, I know that at times I can be very caustic.

I have on occasion, disparaged my Leftie Pals and Democrat leaders as socialists. I believe that is true. Some European countries embrace democratic socialism. It is a system that I believe leads eventually to loss of freedom and liberty.

But, to compare President Trump to any form of Nazi behavior or belief is simply intolerable and indicative of either ignorance or hatred by the writer. I do not believe j2t2 is ignorant so…

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 27, 2017 4:14 PM
Comment #412616

All citizens of the United States should be pleased that voter fraud is finally receiving some investigation.

Trump argument bolstered: Clinton could have received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, study finds

“Based on national polling by a consortium of universities, a report by Mr. Richman said 6.4 percent of the estimated 20 million adult noncitizens in the U.S. voted in November. He extrapolated that that percentage would have added 834,381 net votes for Mrs. Clinton, who received about 2.8 million more votes than Mr. Trump.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 27, 2017 4:50 PM
Comment #412617

Ooops…here’s the link to the voter fraud quote.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 27, 2017 4:54 PM
Comment #412636
j2t2 provides another great laugh by writing; “Perhaps instead of criticizing the messenger you will prove me wrong on the ratings…”

Yet kctim didn’t laugh Royal he actually responded to the message instead of trying to deflect from it. You of course took the low road….

twisted to ascribe Nazi tenets to President Trump,

Not twisted at all Royal, designed to ascribe authoritarian/fascist tenets to the Congress and Trump and his cabinet and also including the thoughts words and deeds of his many American followers and those that voted for Trump. Although I doubt most know that is where Trump is headed.

designed to induce hatred among Americans,

Wrong again, I admire your consistency Royal. Designed to cause my fellow Americans to recognize the hatred in themselves and the actions of this administration.


and to aggrandize the writer as a sane political analyst.

Wrong again although I do find it amazing you would think that a Zeig Heil rating system would put one at the level of a sane political analyst. Perhaps a bit to much of Faux News and Breitbart?

The laugh ensues when this supposed “thinker” asks me to prove his twisted Nazi thinking is wrong…

Wrong again Royal, exposing fascist and authoritarian actions doesn’t make one a fascist. Unless of course in your world responding to a liberal makes you a liberal. But then that is only in your world.

as though he actually thinks I care that he belongs to a minuscule swastika-loving bunch of haters.

Wow Royal a broken clock is right twice a day and you can’t even get close to that. Wrong again, Because one attempts to enlighten others to the… lets put it this way When Jesus preached against the moneychangers in the temple did he become a moneychanger by doing so?

“And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.”
— Matthew 21:12–13

How appropriate for the Trump administration don’t you think?

Posted by: j2t2 at January 28, 2017 4:39 PM
Comment #412647
Do you think j2t2 knows he’s instigating the hatred being portrayed by left against Trump?

You guys seemed to be confused on this hatred thing. Calling your attention to what is going on with the political establishment in DC hasn’t anything to do with hate. This “the left” you are talking about isn’t portraying anything I am aware of, they seem to be protesting the president. As American as apple pie.

Why do you guys insist upon projecting such nonsensical stuff on every one else instead of taking a close look at the president and his cabinet picks, not to mention the Congressional leadership. Single party control of the government is a very scary thing especially when the president is trying to silence the media and kick anyone foreign out of the country… Oh not anyone…. just people from certain countries, such cockamamie logic.

Just think if Obama would have issued an executive order doing just this picking on Russians, you guys would have been Zeig Heiling me.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 28, 2017 8:32 PM
Comment #412672

I think they’re going off the deep end.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 29, 2017 10:39 PM
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